
Have the Republican political attacks on President Obama over the Flight 253 attempted bombing been working? So far the answer is no, from the polls that have come out since then -- if anything, Obama's approval rating may have gone up slightly.
In the Gallup daily tracking poll released on December 24, before the attack, Obama's approval rating was 51%, with 42% disapproval. In the daily Rasmussen daily tracking poll, conducted during that same baseline period of December 21-23, Obama was at 44%-56% (Rasmussen consistently has Obama's approval lower, and disapproval higher, than other outlets).
In the polls released yesterday, which were both conducted entirely after the attempted bombing, Gallup has Obama at 53%-41%, and Rasmussen has him at 47%-52%. Today's Rasmussen poll is 46%-53%. Although the two polls are in different positions, the movement is roughly the same, with a very slight increase in Obama's approval compared to the week before.
While this movement is obviously too small to suggest there's been a definite improvement for Obama, and there certainly hasn't been any sort of rally-around-the-flag effect, we can definitely rule out any sort of political backlash that Republicans have been trying to create.
Stroszek
December 31, 2009 10:02 AM
No surprises here.
It was amusing to see Andrew Sullivan and the New York Times editorial page flip directly back into neoconservative mode at the slightest hint of a scawy tewwowist coming for their freedom fries. I give them three days before Maureen Dowd is sucking her thumb about Qatar's fearsome military might.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Tim
December 31, 2009 4:11 PM in reply to Stroszek
Paranoia and fear are the trademarks of conservativism.
You can't be the land of the free unless you are the home of the brave.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Overreach THIS!
December 31, 2009 10:07 AM
It is not surprising, because people appreciated his shutting down Napolitano's hijinks and acknowledging this was a serious failure that he was committed to getting fixed. I think people believe that he has the smarts, the analytical focus, and discipline to get it done, too. As in the seriousness with which he took his Afghanistan decision.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
nova voter
December 31, 2009 10:15 AM in reply to Overreach THIS!
i'm sorry. to what "hijinks" are you referring?
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Overreach THIS!
December 31, 2009 10:50 AM in reply to nova voter
Look, I know has constructed her story of how the "system worked". And that's embarrassing and she badly disserved the President. There were at least 6 major failures here, 5 of which were easily preventable. 1) his U.S. visa should have been revoked at least upon the painful, multiple declarations of his father made against family loyalty (a walk-in apparently!), being a leading citizen of Nigeria, 2) he should have been put on the selectee list at least for extensive checking before he got on any plane (if not no-fly), 3) he made it through Lagos security with a one-way ticket, paid in cash, no luggage, and explosives on his person, 4) he made it through Amsterdam security also in this condition and allegedly without a passport this time, 5) his British passport renewal application was a crude fraud, applying to attend a non-existent university and was rightly denied out of hand (but also had no effect on his U.S. visa), and 6) had a body scan been available, this would have detected the threat as would have sniffer dogs.
I could add 7) (although this may not have been known to Napolitano), that a Nigerian with Yemeni connections was expected to attack the U.S.
One-through-5 are serious failures that should never have occurred, not remotely. The only "system" that worked was the presence of terrified, heroic passengers. It is also criticized heavily how only a small number of flights in the air (about 150 out of over 3000) were even *later* warned of this. To then go crowing that the "system worked" in the face of these awful failures was particularly tone-deaf, and reminded one of Condi Rice's risible bamboozlement, which we soundly rejected. And it doesn't matter one wit what she meant by the ridiculous statement.
Thank heaven the American people now intuitively understand that Obama does not intend for his Administration to run in this slipshod manner, which is why they were so relieved when he stepped up.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
nova voter
December 31, 2009 11:03 AM in reply to Overreach THIS!
did you ever actually listen to what she said? she said that after the event, the system worked. within 90 minutes, all flights in the air had been alerted and protocols had been instituted across the nation. the REACTIVE protocols were a success.
as for the PROACTIVE/PREVENTIVE protocols, she said point blank that there was a break down.
try listening to what Person X actually says, not what Person Y told you Person X said.
in response to "smartone," i can't see how saying that 1/2 worked, 1/2 didn't is "spin." if a fire starts because of negligent wiring (or something) in a nightclub, but everyone gets out because of a good evacuation plan, you'd say that the club's evacuation plan was a success. you'd also say that their system for preventing fires in the first place was a failure. how is that "spin"?
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Overreach THIS!
December 31, 2009 11:20 AM in reply to nova voter
I've already addressed this, completely. Try listening not just to her.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
nova voter
December 31, 2009 11:46 AM in reply to Overreach THIS!
"try listening not just to her"????????????? YOU WERE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT WHAT SHE SAID!!!!
if you already addressed this, it must have been in another thread. because you didn't do it here.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Overreach THIS!
December 31, 2009 11:54 AM in reply to nova voter
None so blind as she who has eyes and will not read.
I hear Napolitano may replace Biden on 2012 ticket; any news about that?
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Overreach THIS!
December 31, 2009 4:42 PM in reply to nova voter
You know, I forgot that I had actually blogged embedding a whole interview of Napolitano's. http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/m/a/mare_nostrum/2009/12/how-did-that-terrorist-get-thr.php
Here it is from Meet the Press: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/ns/meet_the_press#34600830
"There had never been any additional information supplied which would move him to what's called a "selectee list" (for additional screenings), she misinforms us beginning at 4:19. Nothing (including the father's multiple warnings) that could "elevate him" to that body search level. Everybody misspeaks. The tone-deafness and bizarre attitude to the thereat was frightening (sounded like Condoleeza Rice), when the nation needed to know that the people in charge had a clue.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Overreach THIS!
December 31, 2009 11:26 AM in reply to nova voter
By the way, there's another way to look at this: His statements calmed the waters and gave people hope. Hers frightened people. To what to you attribute the difference, sex discrimination?
She sounded almost as bad as Condoleeza Rice. Obama has copped to the fuck up. What if you did, too?
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
December 31, 2009 1:24 PM in reply to Overreach THIS!
I think the concern is that this is a situation where the MSM played the old stupid bogus gotcha game that's so damaged our discourse by pulling a few words from a straightforward statement of fact out of context and you seem to be blaming her for saying things the MSM could turn into a bogus gotcha. Yeah, the folks in the front office recognized the gotcha was growing legs (at least in the MSM stupidity feedback loop) and sent Obama out to fix it, and yay for that. But correctly identifying which part of the system worked and which part is broken is what competent people do after a f-up. That's all she did. We shouldn't be castigating her for talking like a competent person, we should be applauding her for doing it notwithstanding the MSM's determination to idiotify the discourse.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
rwc
December 31, 2009 2:10 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
exactly
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Overreach THIS!
December 31, 2009 3:35 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
I'm not there in US. What I saw of her on CNN and MSNBC was disturbing and I saw a lot.
She was confronted on her "system worked" line and was asked if the terrorist should not have been on a higher-threat list. She tried to say no. There is a middle level list where he obviously needed to be at minimum, the selectee list. That list calls for more thorough checking at airport. So should he have been on that list? She pushed back, repeatedly, about how specific-and-credible evidence was needed to put him on the no-fly list, which is not what was asked, and people either were amazed by it. And it sounded like Condi Rice. When asked about the father, she pushed back too saying that they needed more info. And people were slack-jawed I think, and I've heard from a lot of people who think the same. Eleanor Holmes Norton, a liberal lioness said she disserved the President and to me there is no question of it. She obviously did.
But that is my JMO and from where I said. I haven't seen so much the attack machine getting into gear over it as I don't get much U.S. TV. Happy New Year!
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Overreach THIS!
December 31, 2009 3:35 PM in reply to Overreach THIS!
"where I sit"
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
George C
December 31, 2009 11:53 AM in reply to Overreach THIS!
The facts are really elusive and warrant caution. On PBS News Hour last night, one of the counsel to the 9-11 Commission made the following points: 1) the guy had a round-trip ticket; 2) it's common (if not mandatory) to pay in cash for air tickets in Africa because of rampant fraud with credit cards. If those two are as represented, does it change the equation at all?
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
nova voter
December 31, 2009 12:01 PM in reply to George C
was it over when the germans bombed pearl harbor?
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Overreach THIS!
December 31, 2009 12:12 PM in reply to George C
I really don't even understand this.
Obama has fully acknowledged that there were grave failures. He wants to fix them.
Any you want to say, what? That the President was wrong? There were not grave failures? How does that help?
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Tim
December 31, 2009 4:19 PM in reply to Overreach THIS!
I live in Arizona. I don't hold Napolitano in high regard. She put the state in debt before the economy went through the floor, then she abandoned the state, subjecting us to a Republican governor. At this point, she has exceedingly bad political karma. Anything bad, politically, that happens to her would seem like karmic justice to me.
In this case, that means Obama dumping her for someone with real credentials and experience - say Richard Clark - instead of someone with political credentials.
That would leave Napolitano out of a political job and unlikely to ever get one again. Given what she did to Arizona, I'd say she earned it.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
CityGuy
December 31, 2009 10:28 AM
Obama is Reaganesque in his personal appeal to Americans. This is irrespective of his politics. The sooner his critics learn this lesson, the better-off they will be. But-unfortunately for them-they're slow learners!
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Marinus van der Lubbe
December 31, 2009 2:48 PM in reply to CityGuy
Good call on the Reagan-esque appeal. Many dont understand or remember how everytime Reagan was blistered with attacks he was still a popular man, and gained in stature when he finally made a response. This was maddening to all Dems and his nickname of 'teflon' was well earned.
I see where it can go the same way with the GOP trying to start Chicken Little fires all over the board and experiencing a backlash.
happy New Year, City...
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
smartone
December 31, 2009 10:35 AM
I think Hijinks is the wrong word- the word is spin.. Napolitano tried to spin the event - this is something that Bush administration did for 8 years..911 the worse terrorist attack on our soil Bush was in charge and yet i never heard any acknowlegement from Bush that his administration failed
Obama was honest and upfront with the American People - which is a breath of fresh air
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Overreach THIS!
December 31, 2009 10:51 AM in reply to smartone
And the American people really appreciate it and he really got credit for it.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
MJAN
December 31, 2009 10:37 AM
I noticed the trend, too. But it's still a little too early to tell. A lot of people haven't been in front of their TVs the past week (more likely on vacation or visiting relatives), so any Republican attacks have been less noticed by the public.
Depending on how much they continue attack, and what the President does with his review, opinion will settle in early '10.
As for the fear factor, I don't think people are scared like they used to be. This is probably both President Obama's doing and just a gradual decline in public worry about terrorism since 9/11 (not to be confused with any policy changes).
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Icon
December 31, 2009 10:38 AM
Props to Obama on this one. He did exactly what he should have done.
Frankly, people take it as a given that things will run smoothly and will be mostly happy if they do. People are even happier when there's a problem, the party who is responsible acknowledges it and takes immediate action to fix it.
Customer service tactics frequently work well in politics as well, even though your 'customers' aren't paying you in dollars.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Elipse#9
December 31, 2009 10:40 AM
I also think that Homeland Security is getting a bad rap in all of this. (Disclosure I am a DHS employee) There are at least three areas of misunderstanding.
1. The tourist visa: I have no inside information, but just reading the news, it is evident that the bomber had a multiple entry tourist visa that had been issued up to 5 years before the incident. As a member of a prominent and rich family in Nigeria, it would not be unusual for him to have such a visa allowing him to come and go in the US.
So it is not the case that the father called the Embassy on November 19th and the next day some hapless vice consul issued the visa.
2. Neither his person nor his luggage were scanned or inspected by our TSA. TSA only screens people and packages inside the US. He would have passed through Nigerian screening in Lagos then through Dutch screening in Amsterdam.
3. He was not inspected by U.S. Immigration Inspectors. This would not have occured until the plane touched down in Detroit. For all we know, the Dad's report to the Embassy may well have resulted--probably did-- in a "hit" being placed in the visitor lookout system that would have resulted in his referral to secondary inspection in Detroit. Since he acted before the plane landed, we'll never know what would have happened to him if the plane had landed without incident.
tks
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Overreach THIS!
December 31, 2009 11:42 AM in reply to Elipse#9
I also think that Homeland Security is getting a bad rap in all of this. (Disclosure I am a DHS employee)
THANKS FOR DISCLOSING. YOU'RE RIGHT. NAPOLITANO BROUGHT THIS ON HERSELF BY PROVOKING FEAR IN HER FAILED PRESS APPEARANCES. HILLARY CLINTON IS GRATEFUL BY THE WAY.
There are at least three areas of misunderstanding.
YEAH, AND ON WHO'S PART?
1. The tourist visa: I have no inside information, but just reading the news, it is evident that the bomber had a multiple entry tourist visa that had been issued up to 5 years before the incident. As a member of a prominent and rich family in Nigeria, it would not be unusual for him to have such a visa allowing him to come and go in the US.
NO ONE REMOTELY ARGUES WITH THIS. THE POINT IS THAT HE VISA SHOULD HAVE BEEN REVOKED AND HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT ON SELECTEE LIST FOR SCREENING. FAILURE TO DO SO, WERE *VERY* SERIOUS ERRORS. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR A LOT FROM YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES. THIS STUFF IS BASIC, BASIC, BASIC.
So it is not the case that the father called the Embassy on November 19th and the next day some hapless vice consul issued the visa.
NOBODY HAS ALLEGED THIS. SEE ABOVE.
2. Neither his person nor his luggage were scanned or inspected by our TSA. TSA only screens people and packages inside the US. He would have passed through Nigerian screening in Lagos then through Dutch screening in Amsterdam.
IF HE HAD LUGGAGE, WHAT YOU ARE DESCRIBING IS A BROKEN SYSTEM IN WHICH YOU TRY TO AVOID ACCOUNTABILITY. IF YOU HAD THE INFORMATION YOU SAY YOU GATHERED, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT HE HAD NO LUGGAGE, PAID CASH, AND BOUGHT A ONE-WAY TICKET. LIKE HE WAS BEGGING TO BE CAUGHT, BUT NOBODY WOULD OBLIGE HIM.
3. He was not inspected by U.S. Immigration Inspectors. This would not have occured until the plane touched down in Detroit.
*IF* IT TOUCHED DOWN.
For all we know, the Dad's report to the Embassy may well have resulted--probably did-- in a "hit" being placed in the visitor lookout system that would have resulted in his referral to secondary inspection in Detroit.
ARE YOU JUST CRAZY? BY THE TIME OF DETROIT, THEY'RE ALL DEAD.
Since he acted before the plane landed, we'll never know what would have happened to him if the plane had landed without incident.
OVERALL REACTION IS THAT YOU HAVE VERY LITTLE APPRECIATION AS TO WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE EXPECTING OF YOU. TO PUT IT MILDLY.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
agio
December 31, 2009 11:54 AM in reply to Overreach THIS!
And who nominated you spokesman for "the American people"? For one thing, most of us know where our caps lock key is.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Overreach THIS!
December 31, 2009 12:08 PM in reply to agio
Caps lock is to distinguish texts. **Obviously.** But your comment, to the extent that it is one, makes no sense.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
nova voter
December 31, 2009 11:55 AM in reply to Overreach THIS!
ok, now i see. you got an early start on the festivities today.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Overreach THIS!
December 31, 2009 12:09 PM in reply to nova voter
oh now I see. In the absence of any logical argument, what you have left is ad hominem.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
nova voter
December 31, 2009 2:48 PM in reply to Overreach THIS!
don't be so hard on yourself.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Goshen
December 31, 2009 12:40 PM in reply to Overreach THIS!
I don't believe I've ever seen a more appropriate avatar picture than yours. Kudos for honesty.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Elipse#9
December 31, 2009 1:33 PM in reply to Goshen
I didn't realize that my comment had caused such an exchange of views, but I do not see how he might have been prevented from boarding the flight unless he had appeared on the no-fly list in either Holland or Nigeria.
I suspect that after the plane took off and the passenger manifest were transmitted to Detroit, he was probably identified as being aboard, but that would be the first indication that he was actually bound for here as opposed to some other destination in Europe or Asia.
It would be logical to assume that since he had passed through security screening in two countries before being allowed to board, that he did not pose a danger to the aircraft.
This may be a stretch but it is at least plausible that this is what Secretary Napolitano meant by the "system worked" remark. That is, we had detected his presence aboard the aircraft and were prepared to meet him on arrival.
Also, I have read criticisms--in comment sections like this-- about the idiot consular officer who issued the visa which prompted my initial comment.
Finally, the only effective way to revoke a visa is to physically draw a thick diagnoal line across the face of the visa and write the word "Revoked" on the line and the section of the INA uner which the revocation is authorized. This can only be done when the individual and his passport are in the physical presence of the inspector.
Tks.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Overreach THIS!
December 31, 2009 3:48 PM in reply to Elipse#9
"Also, I have read criticisms--in comment sections like this-- about the idiot consular officer who issued the visa which prompted my initial comment."
That's fair, certainly. Consular officer did nothing wrong, clearly. Why we have a system of two-year visas is another issue.
And you're talking about the no-fly list again when he should have been on the selectee list and was not. Which list would have called for more thorough searching like to see if he had any explosives on him.
Your comment about revoking the visa -- I thought that too but a lot of people on TV seem to disagree, so now I don't know. The stuff about apprehending him once he arrived in Detroit really bothers me; the point is he would have blown the plane up before that.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Overreach THIS!
December 31, 2009 3:53 PM in reply to Goshen
You don't really know me. You might like me even less upon closer acquaintance! =D Happy New Year!!!
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
tropicgirl
December 31, 2009 10:51 AM
This didn't affect BO because no one believes it is anything else but a botched CIA hoax, designed to get people back on the front porch with the sh-tgun.
An obviously mentally challenged, young pawn. Several important looking suspects helping him on a plane without proper ID. A drumbeat for a war in Yemen and North Africa already started (betray-us has been there over a year now making his deals). Someone taking a video of the entire flight before anything happened, and the video disappears. Come on.
The thugs are just giving BO a run for it. Sad thing is, the free liberals don't really come to his defense anymore because he is playing the same CIA game.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
pl3bian
December 31, 2009 10:54 AM in reply to tropicgirl
Stop watching Alex Jones.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
pl3bian
December 31, 2009 10:51 AM
When a terrorist attack is successful I'm supposed to love the President, but when a terrorist attack fails I am supposed to get angry with the President?
Right wingers are weird.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
roxsteady
December 31, 2009 10:57 AM
I'm sure that there are many who have seen this blatant display of politics and it doesn't reflect well on the Republicans. As usual they've jumped on this and have made complete fools of themselves. I think the President has handeled this just right. As for Napolitano, her initial statement was literally taken out of context. She was obviously talking about the steps that were taken immediately after the attempt and the investigations are ongoing. To have to listen to the media spinning this the same way, parroting the talking points is no suprise but, still a disgrace. Rachel Maddow bitch slapped the press on her show last night for this double standard being applied to this President. The Republicans will likely pay for this, again.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
tropicgirl
December 31, 2009 11:00 AM
Actually, I was watching the eye-witnesses on CNN. (Inforwars just happens to be the only ones still posting it. Wonder why?) I think a lot more witnesses are coming forth. Its same old shenanigans. Don't be afraid. The truth will not hurt you in the end.
Here is the CNN interview:
http://www.infowars.com/bombshell-eyewitness-revelations-confirmed-fbi-cover-up-of-flight-253-attack/
(Even if there is only one arm of the free press left, the truth is not dead)
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
pl3bian
December 31, 2009 12:03 PM in reply to tropicgirl
Yeah okay.
Nutball.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Waltz
December 31, 2009 11:05 AM
If we can blame Obama for this, then me must blame Bush for 9/11.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Bloggin
December 31, 2009 11:39 AM in reply to Waltz
Bush was already blamed for 9/11, and the 2008 elections were the result. Remember, the only people complaining about President Obama's response to the 'fire' on a plane, are republican elected officials in denial of their own failure to keep America safe.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
storm
December 31, 2009 12:15 PM in reply to Bloggin
2004 was about blaming bush for 911. didn't happen.
2008 was about wars and bad governance.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Silence
December 31, 2009 11:12 AM
The polls are often influenced by the overall mood of the people. The holiday spirit is alike and well.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
MJAN
December 31, 2009 11:15 AM in reply to Silence
Good point. I considered this too. More forgiving, happier week. Maybe a little reflection, too.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
tiredofit10
December 31, 2009 11:15 AM
Like I said whatever the republicans try to do always blow up in their faces
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Vas
December 31, 2009 11:18 AM
I don't know about anybody else, but I'm relieved to have a president who doesn't turn the "OhNoes Terror Fear Meter" over to "Red/Kiss Your Ass Goodbye" every time there's a blip on the radar.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
roxsteady
December 31, 2009 11:22 AM
This was clearly, as the President said, a "systemic failure" which is basically that those who had information didn't share it properly. While it's now his administration, it seems clear that whatever policies that were put in place after the 911 were not sufficient or not inplemented. The investigation should clear up just what happened. It's the same way they tried to pin the FT Hood murderer on Obama when this guy was sending up red flags, during the Bush administration. And yes, the guy continue this troublesome behavior into this administration. The difference here is that the don't come out and say, blame Republicans for 911. If the situation was reversed, we all know what that outcome would be. Truely pathetic.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Bloggin
December 31, 2009 11:35 AM
With all President Obama inherited, he has been the calm during the storm. Rational, logical, empathetic, and openly communicating the facts and next steps as he moves forward with each plan to resolve issues. We even get updates along the way.
What this does is make clear the obvious contrast to the past republican administration. And more clearly exposes the erratic, irrational, fearful, deceitful, behavior of the current republicans in office, which are not attributes most Americans seek or trust in a 'leader'.
As the economy improves in 2010 and more people are back to work, Obama's approval ratings will also improve. It's great to be safe and have affordable healthcare, but if you don't have a job or place to live, you are not going to be happy with your leadership.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
celldumceen
December 31, 2009 12:00 PM
The GOP is making the mistake with President Obama that they made with President Clinton! They are going overboard with their attacks! Soon it will get to the point where people are just going to start to say, you just hate the guy, it has nothing to do with policy! At that point they shutdown and stop listening to even the ligetimate constructive critisims of the President they might have! Sometime less is more! The GOP doesn't get that, they just hack away like the killer in so many horror movies!
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
slb
December 31, 2009 5:30 PM in reply to celldumceen
I have been thinking the same thing, that this was very much like the Clinton years. Republicans attacked, and attacked, and attacked, and the guy remained popular with the electorate. I think that's what made the GOP the insane party it is now.
So I guess this is Clinton's fault, too. {rolling eyes}
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Bloggin
December 31, 2009 12:10 PM
This might help explain why the Rasmussen polls are always lower for the Democrat:
As of 2009, Scott Rasmussen is the President of Rasmussen Reports. He describes himself as having "been an independent pollster for more than a decade" who "[l]ike the company he started, [...] maintains his independence and has never been a campaign pollster or consultant for candidates seeking office".
However, the Center for Public Integrity listed his firm as having been paid $95,500 by the Republican National Committee and $45,500 by the George W. Bush presidential campaign in 2003-4.
epublicans often use his polling to make their arguments. “Republicans right now are citing our polls more than Democrats because it’s in their interest to do so,” Scott Rasmussen said. “I would not consider myself a political conservative — that implies an alignment with Washington politics that I don’t think I have.”
But in the early days of his polling firm, when it was named Rasmussen Research, Rasmussan advocated for conservative views.
For a short time around the 2000 elections Scott Rasmussen wrote a column for WorldNetDaily, which describes itself as an "Independent conservative news website with an emphasis on aggressive investigative reporting".
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
moose966
December 31, 2009 12:15 PM
It is not surprising. People are not stupid and they see thru "the sky is falling" mentality of the RepubliCONS. Don't you remember when they tried to nail and impeach Bill Clinton and Bill keep getting more popular.
There is no health care for stupidity and by the way that may explain why RepubliCONS are also against that.
You all a great new 2010 year!
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
tropicgirl
December 31, 2009 1:20 PM
If you don't use the blogs to further your knowledge, then you are just "tweeting" for nothing, nutjob. Instead, why don't U use UR cell and text something to someone who could care less...
And, by all means, as we celebrate another year, lets also continue to force wars on innocents, let the CIA hoax us again, blame two parties that are really just ONE party, and let the world, once again, experience the sickness that we have in store for them.
As long as nutjob can still "tweet".
Shouldn't you be in college or something?
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
dbdzen
December 31, 2009 1:22 PM
A couple of things that are important to note that reveal insane levels of ignorance among commentators:
1. The State Department is responsible for the issuance and revocation of visas, not the Department of Homeland Security.
2. The CIA is responsible for collection of foreign intelligence, not the Department of Homeland Security
3. The NSA is responsible for intercepting and analyzing communications and chatter that may affect national security.
4. The National Counterterrorism Center, run by Adm. Dennis Blair, the Director of National Intelligence, is the interagency hub that is supposed to connect the dots and feed information through the 16 federal agencies.
5. The TSA does not have screeners and inspectors in foreign countries like the Netherlands and Nigeria.
6. Buying a ticket in cash is entirely normal in most parts of Africa, more than 40% of plane tickets, houses, cars and major purchases are done in cash. There is absolutely nothing unusual about that.
7. The terrorist had a valid Nigerian passport and a valid US visa in his passport that was inspected at the checkpoints he passed through in Lagos and Amsterdam. Had he not had this, there's no way his name would have been on the DHS confirmed list of passengers transmitted to the United States. Those claiming otherwise don't know what they're talking about.
8. There's nothing unusual about someone traveling without checked baggage and if there is, you have to tell us how the hell someone would know that if everything gets checked in before body and hand luggage inspections.
All these things happened before the terrorist arrived in the Homeland. Janet Napolitano is the media's fall girl but people really should be asking Hillary Clinton, Leon Panetta and Adm.Dennis Blair all the hard questions. They handle the foreign leg and they dropped the ball.
The reactive system worked and Napolitano was correct (but unfortunate) to say that. If the terrorist had landed without attempting anything and there was a flag for CBP officers, they could have revoked his visa at Detroit Airport and denied him entry or given him a secondary inspection and possibly discovered the bomb. This is the exact same information-sharing failure that allowed 9/11 to happen.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
again
December 31, 2009 1:33 PM in reply to dbdzen
I can definitely understand why the President's poll numbers went up.
Terrorism is not necessarily a rational issue for most people (especially Americans), so even if a very careful parsing of Napolitano's statement shows she was "correct", her comment registered as "absurd on its face" for most.
As someone else here pointed out, Napolitano's statement sounded way too much like the spin we got during the past administration.
(And which many of us feel we're still getting from this administration.)
So having Obama step forward a day or so after his first remarks and after her remarks made a good impression on people.
It implied that he understood why Nap's statement was not well received (and thereby implied that 1) he's not tone-deaf and 2) he's capable of accepting criticism of his own administration.)
dbdzen may well be right and this is more Panetta and Clinton's fault, but Napolitano's statement was fantastically ill-worded in light of what had occurred.
Anyway, kudos to President Obama - I just wish he would show this more active type of leadership on health care, and on meeting his promises to investigate military contractors, rather than, per Jeremy Scahill, relying on contractors more than the Bush administration did.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
slb
December 31, 2009 6:12 PM in reply to again
Agreed that Napolitano's wording was clumsy. But we should remember this, too: Republicans are going to pick through any statement from this administration, no matter how carefully worded, and pull out something that they can distort enough to go into full rant mode over. And if they can't find something to distort, then they will simply make something up. (Which is exactly what they are doing with the claim that Obama is refusing to use the term "terrorism," or that he refuses to acknowledge that we are fighting a war.)
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Clearbrook
December 31, 2009 2:54 PM
As always, the Rasmussen Poll is dissed. The fact is, Gallup was not even close in the 2010 election. Rasmussen had it right to an error of under 1%! So you can poop on Rasmussen if you wish, but I take them seriously! I don't suspect them as much as I suspect weather data that might be dummied up to *prove* Global Warming! Gallup is fluff in comparison! (although they earn some respect for their initial pioneering spirit years ago, may they find it again!)
And the suprise you missed was this:
Although the author here will obviously dismiss this as not being important, the fact is, there *was* a large jump, just not in the numbers he chose to have us look at. As he correctly stated, "Today's Rasmussen poll is 46%-53%." But this is *overall* approval, where only "somewhat approve" is needed to needed to be in the approval category and there is no "somewhat disapprove" since that one tends to make the polls flaky since the whims can blow the "somewhats" around very quickly with no true meaning. That is all well and good to look at, but not very informative, I am afraid.
The real measure of political power is the "Approval Index" that Rasmussen uses. This one measures "Strong Approval" versus "Strong Disapproval" and is much more telling. The fact is, it is too early to see for sure if he has taken a real hit or not, because even this poll number very often can be volitile. However, it is alarming for anyone that wants Obama to have the Power to do anything, and despite what you think of the man, having a "lame duck" in the White House invites even more attacks from our enemies!
The problem is this: His numbers actually took a jump positive on the 28th and even was better then than on the 24th. If you look at apst pollings, this phenomenon is not surprising as the stress of Christmas actually seems to make people less negative after it is lifted. Ok, after that, there is a slow, but steady creep of negativity. It is not that more people are strongly disapproving of him as much as fewer people are no longer strongly approving of him. That second group is where his power comes from. IF he has enough strong approval, even an overall negative approval will not hamper him too much if he is still seen as a strong leader that you happen to disagree with on a point here or there. The problem for Obama is that he is being dissed on the International Level again and again and that erodes his image of being effective. This attack is undermining his local image as being unable to protect us.
It may not have any effect, and this trend may be spurious. Obama sure hopes so. The funny thing is, in this case, so do I. If it is not, then he really has been hurt politically by his adminstrations failures in keeping us safe! And honestly, I don't like Obama that much at all, but I like this even less, since it virtually invites more terrorist attacks if they know they are weakening our leadership!
A good link for those interested:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
dbdzen
December 31, 2009 3:31 PM in reply to Clearbrook
Though Hamas and Al Qaeda both use the same tactic, terrorism, Al Qaeda is not Hamas. Hamas makes some political calculations before committing murderous acts of terror because they somewhat understand the costs (to themselves) and limits of their actions in pursuit of their goals. They also have calculating patrons in Hezbollah and Iran who do have something to lose from overreaching. The United States, Israel and other nations make careful distinction in handling these different groups. Make no mistake, they are both dangerous terror groups. The war on terror under Bush conflated these two threats in political discourse, muddying the efforts to contain them effectively.
Al Qaeda, on the other hand, is a nihilistic fanatical movement involved in an apocalyptic war with the West based on twisted Salafist jihad and Deobandi beliefs. AQ will be no less eager to attack the United States if the President, Republican or Democrat, had a 99% Approval rating. The relationship between approval ratings and actions of foreign players exists, but it's the opposite of the one you assert. The standing of the US president is relevant to Hamas', Hezbollah's and Iran's calculations on the use of violence, but not to Al Qaeda. That is why, despite shelling Sderot and killing civilians, Hamas has cracked down on even more extreme jihadi groups in Gaza with ferocious brutality. It doesn't make Hamas better than Al Qaeda, just different, and knowing that is important.
All Al Qaeda is looking for is one chance to kill hundreds or thousands of Americans. That's why the breakdown that occurred in federal coordination is so unacceptable. The only thing that will keep us safe from these lunatics is relentless lethal pursuit of their infrastructure. If it becomes impossible for Al Qaeda's sympathizers to organize, recruit and plan attacks without substantial risk of discovery and death, the movement will lose currency and fade away. It can never be completely defeated or eliminated without strong central governments in Yemen, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, AND substantial religious and educational reforms in Saudi Arabia.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?
Kuyleh
December 31, 2009 3:31 PM
Because the majority of America isn't stupid enough to buy the Rethuglican's bullshit.
Reply | Flag Abuse
Are you sure this comment violates TPM's Terms of Service?