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Reid Smacks Back At Gregg's Obstruction Memo
Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) and Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH)
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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid took direct aim at Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH)--ranking member on the Budget Committee--for authoring a detailed memo advising Republicans on the procedural tricks they can use to delay health care legislation.
"[T]he Republican plan we've waited weeks and months to see [is] not even about health care at all," Reid said on the Senate floor this morning. "The first and only plan Senate Republicans could be bothered to draft is an instruction manual on how to bring the Senate to a screeching halt."
"The Senate might be interested to learn that the architect behind this blueprint is none other than the Ranking Member of the Budget Committee, the senior Senator from New Hampshire," Reid said. "It's worth noting that this Senator - who, more than any other, often speaks publicly about how to properly use citizens' tax dollars - has now signed his name to a plan with the explicit goal of wasting the taxpayer's time and money."
Gregg, for his part, says he's just advising his colleagues of the Senate rules. "It is ironic, is it not, that the Majority Leader would could to the floor and complain about an innocuous statement which outlines the rules that members of the Senate have--a statement which I suspect he would actually pass out to his members for information were they in the minority."
"I just find the irony of the situation so unique," Gregg said, "that a memo which outlines what the rights are of all members--members in the minority specifically because the rules are meant to protect the minority from the majority. That's the tradition of our government, of course, which seems to be an affront to the Majority Leader at this point."
Gregg's memo does advise Republicans of their rights under the rules of the Senate, but with the aim of informing them of how "delay is created."
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
December 3, 2009 10:29 AM
Damn, Judd, is that the best hypocricy you can come up with? Thinner than McCain's comb-over.
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JNagarya
December 4, 2009 9:14 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
I think the election was stolen from Jean Shaheen. That's why this Ed Meese/Sununu-wannabe managed to "win" the election.
The northeast is the origin of traditional conservatism, as the Republican party was 40-50 years ago. But Gregg is the equivalent of a birther.
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Progressive Party
December 3, 2009 10:53 AM
as the death toll rolls on...another 123 people will die today!
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mJJ
December 3, 2009 4:21 PM in reply to Progressive Party
Yes! And as a retired RN and a moderate Republican, I can tell you I am sizzled about the obstruction of the Republicans in and out of the Congress. It is amazing the deficit my own party ran up in the last 8 years, spending both the surplus they inherited from Clinton and then spending all the money to add to the debt, and for what. A war in the country in which Bin Laden was not hiding. Of course, now all they can think of is obstruct, obstruct. Well, the party will lose a huge chunk of us moderates if they follow the Gregg formula that essentially tells folks with no medical care, "Tough, just go ahead and die" As an RN I have seen the saddest of situations that resulted from no medical care until someone was terminal.
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DownriverDem
December 3, 2009 10:59 AM
These folks should be run out of town. Give them hell Harry!!!
Use reconciliation to pass the bill!
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chimpale
December 3, 2009 11:01 AM
See? You can observe decorum and still point out exactly who is obstructing a bill that the majority of Americans badly need and want, and say what a horse's ass he is (they are) for doing it.
Stay on it, Reid. That's the right approach. Don't let their bullshit go unnoticed.
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Xantar
December 3, 2009 11:06 AM in reply to chimpale
What have they been putting in Harry's Wheaties anyway? He's acted like he has a spine lately.
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JNagarya
December 4, 2009 9:27 PM in reply to Xantar
Reiad is not a newcomer to politics.
I think the Democrats are playing a much subtler game than the Republicans. And that it is sufficiently subtle to keep them guessing -- and publicly stuffing their feet down their
throats.
I think the unequivocal confidence he and several other senior Democratic Senators have shown in stating that the bill will pass is a signal: there are, for sure, details to be worked out; but helping the Republicans embarrass themselves along the way is useful in both short and longer terms.
And Senator Leahy (D-VT) introduced a bill to repeal the insurance industry antitrust exemption (the House introduced such some time back). At very least that is in-your-face pushback to the Republicans. And something the Republicans fear, because it will have overwhelming support from We the people.
And leverage: if you don't support a public option, we go for this jugular.
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NH
December 3, 2009 11:38 AM in reply to chimpale
85% say they badly need this bill to be defeated not passed.
Those who vote for it are doomed.
I kinda like seeing the left unravel because of Obama, but not at the expense of our health care system.
He is becoming the death of the Democrat party, long since corrupted by outside influences from the utopian socialist camp.
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RyanWV
December 3, 2009 11:46 AM in reply to NH
I love me some made up numbers!
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thomas1
December 3, 2009 11:50 AM in reply to NH
where did this troll come from? 85%? Who was polled? Teabaggers only need apply?
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Dorn76
December 3, 2009 11:52 AM in reply to NH
What on Earth are you babbling about? 85% of wingnuts polled?
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jeffgee
December 3, 2009 1:15 PM in reply to Dorn76
A number anally extracted for his enjoyment.
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jenzinoh
December 3, 2009 11:53 AM in reply to NH
"I kinda like seeing the left unravel because of Obama, but not at the expense of our health care system. He is becoming the death of the Democrat party, long since corrupted by outside influences from the utopian socialist camp."
Erik Erikson, is that you? Oh wait, the post isn't nearly insulting enough. Although, given you are, basically, rooting for Obama to fail, it is a pretty wicked Rush Limbaugh impression. Utopian Socialist Camp...? Really...?
Newsflash, healthcare reform in this country is being undermined, not by the left... not by those who dream of utopia, but by those in the middle, the DLC-ers who dream of campaign contributions.
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NH
December 3, 2009 1:49 PM in reply to jenzinoh
Not even the right gender, don't know who Limbaugh is.
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stefsstuff
December 3, 2009 11:57 AM in reply to NH
Latest poll 60% support a public option.
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Indie Pro
December 3, 2009 12:03 PM in reply to stefsstuff
I saw that poll. The internals were pretty interesting as well:
86 percent of Democrats support the public option versus 57 percent of Independents and 33 percent of Republicans.
that is, if this is the poll you mean:
http://www.reuters.com/article/governmentFilingsNews/idUSN0210977220091203
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Indie Pro
December 3, 2009 12:09 PM in reply to Indie Pro
and here's an interesting take from Americablog, on the poll and the senate legislation:
So, there is strong support for the provision, but every day, a real public option gets watered down and weakened because of that opposition from Republicans and some Democrats (those would be the members of Congress owned by the insurance companies.) So, more proof that Congress -- even a Democratically controlled Congress -- is a subsidiary of the insurance companies. Their interests come before ours.
http://www.americablog.com/2009/12/despite-strong-support-for-public.html
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NH
December 3, 2009 1:52 PM in reply to stefsstuff
Only if worded cryptically.
When young people find out about the fines and jail time, they quickly rethink whether they support it or not.
Then throw in the CER boards, and oh brother... it's a nightmare.
Revenue neutral I think not....
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Captain Dan
December 3, 2009 12:17 PM in reply to NH
Could anyone who actually knows the definition of utopian write this tripe? What are your trying to say?
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NH
December 3, 2009 2:01 PM in reply to Captain Dan
If you did your homework about who owns the Democrat party, who funds them, and who put Obama in office you'd know what I mean. Look up the villain George Soros, unrepentent Nazi-enabler. He was frustrated when his father would just not 'die' and be done with it. He is part of the globalist cadre of elites who feel we need to be part of a managed society and that includes regulating our energy use and health care. We spend too much on it for the very young and very old.. A number of Obama's 'czars' have written reams about this.
It's amazing you lefties support something as sweeping as this without doing your homework on the real motives behind it, the people Obama is so anxious to please. I would rather he have taken the $800B stimulus money and put it in a fund to help the 15% uninsured. Why does he have to wreck it for everyone else? Doctors will leave in droves if this passes... and there will be a shortage. I spent time in the hospital wiith my elderly parent recently and I know they would not be doing this under this proposed new system, he'd have been left to die.
It's about control, not about helping people. Soros and his ilk also want to use this to control the population... remember, they keep saying we spend too much.
You have to have your hands over your ears and eyes not to have read about this stuff.
Gov't has no right to put private companies out of business nor guarantee money to the ones they have cut a deal with.
Obama is working for the world government corporations and elitists that want to put the US in line with the rest of the world -- i.e., under their control.
Wake up out of your partisan confusion. Left and right have nothing to do with this -- it's US vs THEM.. and believe me you aren't one of them.
No one with a conscience or a clue could support this ill conceived boondoggle and think it's going to 'help' people, and shame on any woman who does.
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runfastandwin
December 3, 2009 2:20 PM in reply to NH
First person to use the world NAZI in an argument loses. SUCK IT! Loser.
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NH
December 3, 2009 2:36 PM in reply to runfastandwin
Facts too tough for you to bear? Look it up...find Soros' own words. He helped take the property from the people and then turn them in... shameful. Now he funds your side.
I guess the double standard reigns here and it's ok to call people you are responding to morons, etc...
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Rick
December 3, 2009 2:56 PM in reply to NH
Just try not to be so stupid. And then people will be nicer to you.
See
http://mediamatters.org/research/200702090005
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Cleo
December 3, 2009 3:34 PM in reply to NH
Sarah, is that you? Or maybe it's Phyllis Schafly? I love it when trolls say "have you actually read the bill?" because you know they haven't. You know the crap they spout are right-wing talking points they got from Sarah's Facebook page.
Troll, what's with the last sentence "shame on any woman who does."
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Indie Pro
December 3, 2009 4:22 PM in reply to NH
you post needs more black helicopters.
and maybe a touch more talk of Nazis.
Make those changes, and I'd rate this crazy atleast an 8.
maybe a 9.
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NH
December 3, 2009 2:20 PM in reply to Captain Dan
Utopian |yoōˈtōpēən| (also utopian)
adjective
modeled on or aiming for a state in which everything is perfect; idealistic.
noun
an idealistic reformer.
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rbe1
December 3, 2009 1:21 PM in reply to NH
Gee this is very good happy horse shit ! You should work for Fox.
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ImpureScience
December 4, 2009 11:23 AM in reply to NH
135% say that Obamacare will have farm animals sitting on government death panels with full voting rights and Acorn hats.
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El Camino
December 3, 2009 12:09 PM in reply to chimpale
Ditto
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Lycurgus
December 3, 2009 11:01 AM
Sen. Gregg, "unique" cannot be modified with "so".
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agio
December 3, 2009 11:23 AM in reply to Lycurgus
Thank you for pointing that out! "So unique" (or worse: "very unique") makes as much sense as "somewhat pregnant."
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fbacon2
December 3, 2009 11:35 AM in reply to agio
"so very uniquely unique"
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BearDog
December 3, 2009 12:51 PM in reply to fbacon2
How about "uniquer than some"?
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rbe1
December 3, 2009 1:23 PM in reply to BearDog
I would go for quite unique, sounds more refined.
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Schmed
December 3, 2009 2:45 PM in reply to rbe1
Singularly unique?
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agostage
December 3, 2009 11:06 AM
You know, the words that Harry said where actually pretty strong in this case, contrary to so many instances before. But I wonder how more effective they'd be if he could deliver them with some passion and charisma. Maybe he could even throw in a little crazy that might give him a chance of garnering a clip on the MSM networks.
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shooter242
December 3, 2009 11:11 AM
Senator Gregg is polishing his resume for 2012. Obama should be a one termer. Meanwhile, Senator Gregg you watch out, Reid might send a crossly worded letter or something. Heh.
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Stroszek
December 3, 2009 11:13 AM in reply to shooter242
Obama should be a one termer.
But he won't. :)
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
December 3, 2009 11:24 AM in reply to shooter242
So how's the weather in that alternate universe of yours today, doggie?
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jenzinoh
December 3, 2009 11:55 AM in reply to shooter242
Senator Gregg is trying not to be primaried... beginning and ending of story
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tosh
December 3, 2009 12:06 PM in reply to jenzinoh
Senator Gregg is retiring.
He's trying to help Big Health on the way out the door since they have a Retirement Package for him, and folks like Blanche who help them out.
Of course out former Majority Leader had one of those Retirement Packages as well from Big Health, which makes it a little scary to hear his name popping up every so often and being treated like a progressive by the media.
John
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NH
December 3, 2009 2:04 PM in reply to tosh
That interesting since 'big health' is on board with Obama's plan.
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Clavis
December 3, 2009 12:26 PM in reply to shooter242
Shouldn't you be in school?
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An Outhouse
December 3, 2009 12:27 PM in reply to shooter242
My grandma used to say "You can't polish a turd."
or maybe that was Confucius
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BillSoo
December 3, 2009 12:55 PM in reply to An Outhouse
Mythbusters, episode 113 (2008-19)
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rbe1
December 3, 2009 1:25 PM in reply to shooter242
Oh I think that Judd has been polishing his tool for the future all right. It's where his brain is.
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theWalrus
December 3, 2009 11:13 AM
That was a "smack"? Seems more like a little pinch to me.
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TBender
December 3, 2009 12:04 PM in reply to theWalrus
This is the Senate. Anything more than a cross look (made without eye contact) is a smack.
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UTMark
December 3, 2009 11:13 AM
Since the Republicans themselves have no shame, their shameless hypocrisy needs to be repeatedly and consistently highlighted.
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Indie Pro
December 3, 2009 11:21 AM
Interesting how much more effective the R's are at being in the minority.
I wish we had this kind of obstruction against Bush's eight years!
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hoppycalif2
December 3, 2009 11:29 AM in reply to Indie Pro
The Repubs do the minority thing so well I hope they have many years to do it. They have found their niche, s let's help them remain there.
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Jaycal
December 3, 2009 12:52 PM in reply to hoppycalif2
Second!
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tonigo
December 3, 2009 11:50 AM in reply to Indie Pro
Always easier to oppose rather than govern.
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Forrest
December 3, 2009 2:24 PM in reply to Indie Pro
"I wish we had this kind of obstruction against Bush's eight years!"
Haven't you heard? The Democrats were at least as bad during Bush 43. He only got TWO ultra-conservative Supreme Court justices through. Should have been at least two dozen.
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Egypt Steve
December 3, 2009 11:27 AM
Look, this just calls for seven little words:
Re-con-cil-i-a-tion, motherfuckers!
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NH
December 3, 2009 11:33 AM
Please write to Senator Gregg and thank him for doing what he can to stop this terrible bill.
The elderly would really suffer under this idea they are going to save money. While I was sitting there by my Dad's hospital bedside over Thanksgiving, I got to thinking...
Under Obamacare, he could have been denied hospitalization and an IV for having nothing more wrong than simple dehydration after a bout with the flu.
The CER panels must NOT be allowed to tell us who can get medical treatment or how and when.
Tell these monsters in the WH that the American public will NOT accept the 'control' over their very lives, no matter what the socialist countries do!
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stefsstuff
December 3, 2009 11:41 AM in reply to NH
I'm going to take a wild guess here - your Dad is on Medicare?
Breaking News - gov't plan!
And you need to open your ears and hear the truth. The senate plan is not great, but it's not the FINAL plan and we have to start somewhere.
I hope your Dad is doing better.
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NH
December 3, 2009 2:18 PM in reply to stefsstuff
You apparently have not read that $500B will be pulled from Medicare. When they talk about saving money, this is how they will do it.
Seniors will be at risk... sure Medicare will be there, but what will services be like if we lose even 15% of our doctors? More and more are refusing to take Medicare patients because they are being reimbursed less and less. Medicare is bankrupt -- oh wait I forgot you don't read about this stuff.. (not to mention Amtrak, the PO, etc etc)
BTW, Dad pays for his own insurance.....and worked two jobs all his life so I'm not worried about it if he had to go on Medicare...
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Forrest
December 3, 2009 2:27 PM in reply to NH
Considering that $500 billion is over 10 years...
and we had $60 billion worth of waste in Medicare this year...
and 10 x 60 = 600...
They should be pulling a cool $600 billion out of Medicare IMO.
Keep on with the whole being disingenuous, though. It's the way of things these days.
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jollyroger
December 3, 2009 4:32 PM in reply to NH
we lose even 15% of our doctors?
OMFG! The death panels--they're gonna kill one out of every seven Doctors. The horror, the horror...
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jollyroger
December 3, 2009 5:25 PM in reply to NH
see here for the fallacy of your "lose 15% of our doctors" reasoning: (you economic illiterate (troll))
"Part of the re-evaluation of health care delivery certainly may bring us to ask how many standard deviations from the median family income it takes to "incentivize" (precious blood of the sweet baby Jesus, that is not a word!) the choice of medecine as a career."
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hoppycalif2
December 4, 2009 1:19 PM in reply to NH
I "pay for my own insurance" too. It's called Medicare Advantage, and it is actually a government subsidized insurance supplement for Medicare, a government insurance program. Repubs like to carry on about government waste all the time, but when the Democrats try to address that waste we are said to be "raiding Medicare". Looks like hypocrisy to me.
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jenzinoh
December 3, 2009 12:08 PM in reply to NH
Wow are you a moron.
There, I said it. Are you really so simple and so easily lead that you believe everything you just typed there? Or are you just repeating what the "smart" people on the teevee told you?
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stefsstuff
December 3, 2009 12:11 PM in reply to jenzinoh
Once again I'm guessing, but I have a feeling it's the latter.
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NH
December 3, 2009 2:34 PM in reply to stefsstuff
I know one thing - you have no facts, just nasty name calling which I will from hereon in, ignore.
I've not seen any convincing evidence of your claims, whatever they might be.
What do you people consider waste? Testing to see if anything is wrong? Or giving an IV to prevent kidney failure? Or both? Just because a person is 87 and basically healthy should they be given up on just because the tests costs so much?
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jeffgee
December 3, 2009 1:17 PM in reply to jenzinoh
Also with statistics anally extracted.
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kgb999
December 3, 2009 1:53 PM in reply to jenzinoh
It's not just the "people on TV". I visited Senator Crapo's office here in Idaho yesterday and the lady brought up health care (I was there to talk about the Fed and Bernake ... I figured just stick to the potential common ground).
First she tried the "It will lead to health care rationing because if everyone gets to go to the doctor, there will be longer waits." I pointed out, that as someone without insurance she was essentially saying that she specifically wants to keep me, and anyone like me, from getting health care, potentially dying, so she doesn't have a line.
Then she broke out the line "If you can guarantee to me that people won't just sit on their butts and get health care THEN I'll support a public option". Again, I pointed out that she was essentially looking me in the eye and saying I was just sitting on my butt, and therefore don't deserve the RIGHT to have an OPTION to PAY for a simple public administered plan.
Then she tried to go all "I don't support single payer". And I pointed out that nobody was talking about single payer, it wasn't in the bill and wasn't ever even on the table. Then a little aside where I pointed out I've read most of the versions (all the HR3200 flavors, HELP and Senate Finance) ... and she snorted that I hadn't read the "new 2000 page bill" ... fucking bitch; she hasn't even read a single lick of it!
So then she went on a little tirade about subsidies. And I pointed out that subsidies had nothing to do with the public option. She declared: "Yes it DOES!". And I'm all; "wait a second, that's a totally different part of the bill - not even in the same section ... them killing the public option had no effect on the subsidies".
So then she announced she was busy with some military academy thingie (which she WAS actually working her butt off on when I got there, so was only partially disingenuous) and the conversation was over.
My point here is that republicans have decided that they are going to flat out LIE from start to finish. Even if a person doesn't watch TV and simply have faith that the people elected to run the government are going to be honest; they are screwed. I am far more inclined to have sympathy for the teabaggers ... everyone they trust has (a) scared them into thinking they can't just pick up the bill and read it and then (b) flat out lying to them. They sure don't trust the "left" ... and they've been betrayed by the "right". I'm starting to view them like an abused spouse.
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NH
December 3, 2009 2:30 PM in reply to jenzinoh
Since you haven't provided anything more factual, in fact arguing here is like shooting fish in a barrel, I'm not sure where you get YOUR information since MOST of TeeVee is a crapload of government propaganda geared to the public school dumbed down masses such as yourself.
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BlindBat
December 3, 2009 12:58 PM in reply to NH
Here's hoping your Dad fully recovers. I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, but it doesn't jive with what I've been able to find. Can you point us to your source(s)?
"Monsters in the WH" Really? Monsters??
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Kuyleh
December 3, 2009 1:12 PM in reply to NH
Rub a couple braincells together, dude. Read the bill and start thinking for yourself, instead of parroting Faux News. You'll be better for it.
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NH
December 3, 2009 2:05 PM in reply to Kuyleh
Obviously you have not read the bill, only believe the pablum you're being fed.
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Stiggs
December 3, 2009 1:27 PM in reply to NH
I'm sorry, who are you and what gives you any credibility to talk on the subject? And no, having both a father and ignorant baseless fear does not count.
As somebody already pointed out, your father is likely on government healthcare - which your friends on the right have been trying to kill for years. So it sounds like the group of people you should worry about taking away your father's healthcare is the GOP.
And can we get some comparative studies on government vs private insurance and refusal of medical treatment? Last I checked, private insurance companies are not charitable enterprises but rather are governed by the profit motive and therefore have a strong incentive to deny any treatment or expense which can be justified (or squashed under a pile of lawyers). The government is, depending on your perspective, either a benevolent organization working in the public good whose main function is helping people or an evil and vile institution which strives to tax all citizens to death and then waste the money on meaningless social entitlement programs while suffocating businesses and teaching your son to be gay.
Either interpretation of the government leads me to believe that they the ones I'd prefer administering my (and my father's) health insurance. (Really, you are so mistrustful of the government that you actually believe they will miss no opportunity to spend except on your father's hospital stay?)
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NH
December 3, 2009 2:47 PM in reply to Stiggs
Talk about fear mongering. GOP has not been trying to take away Medicare.
The fact is, the public option is seen by those in control or who want more control, as the path to the single payer. They are very open about it, always have been. I happen to oppose single payer because there will be no choice and thus no quality.
It's just common sense.
As for the public option, people amazingly still think this is all going to be free. When they find out that they will be taxed, fined, and possibly jailed for not having insurance, they will change their tune.
WHAT? It's not free you say? Oh boy, that does change things a bit!
And please come back after you've read the writings of Cass Sunstein, Ezekiel Emanuel, John Holdren, and a few others. Then tell me what the goal is.
If you are an idealist and you trust government to be doing something 'for the good of the people' so be it.. I just don't happen to trust them and don't think much of anything they do is for the good of the people. Congress is not even really in control. Do you even know who wrote these bills? I'll bet not.
Please do some research and come back with more than toilet jokes, and 'morons'.
jenzinoh and stefstuff is you are women, you ought to be especially ashamed of being simpletons and believing everything you typed, which other than name calling, was nothing.
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kgb999
December 3, 2009 3:19 PM in reply to NH
Wait a minute. Nobody who's for the public option thinks it's going to be free. That's the same BS they're slinging out at my Senator's office. The public option COSTS THE PARTICIPANTS MONEY. You buy it ... just like any other insurance. Not. Free. Get it?
It's a no-brainer. If it sucks, nobody's going to buy it. As taxpayers, we're out some office space and stationary ... big fucking deal. If it doesn't suck, people will buy it and private insurance companies will lose market share and respond by adjusting practices to compete. In my opinion it's a far more market-oriented approach to the problem than blanketing the industry with layer after layer of regulation as they seek loopholes and we seek to close them and coerce good service from a system designed to maximize profits. If indeed the insurance profits are not oversized (as many attest), the theoretical inefficiencies in government overseen service delivery should about offset a reasonable profit and things should be competitive.
But be clear - I want to BUY it, I'm not asking anyone to give it to me. Notice, the *SUBSIDIES* are in the bill regardless. That's the part where people get a handout. It has nothing to do with the public option. We can debate the merits of that part, but the insurance companies are fighting just as hard as the "liberals" to force those through (and also mandates). Keep the issues straight.
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EdA
December 3, 2009 11:36 AM
And this is the guy whom President Obama tried desperately to get into his cabinet.
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stefsstuff
December 3, 2009 11:43 AM in reply to EdA
I wouldn't say President Obama tried "desperately" as Gregg campaigned for the job. I think Gregg had an agenda and after being interviewed, he took his toys and went home.
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Viva!America!
December 3, 2009 12:47 PM in reply to EdA
desperately? really?
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Mr.E.
December 3, 2009 1:36 PM in reply to EdA
Hmm. Could it be Obama knew the ranking minority on the budget committee was a skilled parliamentarian who could obfuscate with the best of them, and figgered better to have him out of that role? NY-23 was held by Rs since the civil war. John McHugh resigned to be Obama's Secretary of the Army. Now it's held by a D.
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kgb999
December 3, 2009 3:03 PM in reply to Mr.E.
Unless he's (coincidentally?) most qualified for the position, that's one cynical and depressing metric by which to choose the people who are at the top of our nation's institutions. That's basically saying: they are so crappy in congress we want them the heck out ... let's put them in charge of policy decisions for entire organizations with direct execution authority.
I sure hope your zealous boosterism doesn't represent reality! That would be really depressing.
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lousgirl84
December 3, 2009 1:46 PM in reply to EdA
The only thing desperate are your posts
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NH
December 3, 2009 2:27 PM in reply to EdA
He wasn't 'desperate' but trying to recruit a moderate Republican into his cabinet to show bipartisanship.
Trouble is, these power grabs with health care and energy are so extreme even a RINO like Gregg opposes them, as anyone with a brain would.
Once you find out just who it is that funds groups like 350.org you Ricky Ricardos have some 'splainin' to do...
Hint: The answer is the family that represents big oil, in fact, the biggest oil family in the world funds 350.org and many other 'environmentalists' movements..
since that too is not about the environment but about control and redistribution of the wealth.
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ubeeno
December 3, 2009 11:47 AM
LOL
Jess
www.be-invisible.ua.tc
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tropicgirl
December 3, 2009 11:53 AM
Reid is just jealous because Gregg has a spine and actually has male genitalia.
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ondioline
December 3, 2009 12:09 PM in reply to tropicgirl
Says the person whose handle is "tropicgirl"...
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lousgirl84
December 3, 2009 12:57 PM in reply to ondioline
Thanks - I was looking for a comeback to tropigirl but you beat me to it.
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eironeia
December 3, 2009 2:16 PM in reply to tropicgirl
"Reid is just jealous because Gregg... actually has male genitalia."
... in his mouth.
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Signalman
December 10, 2009 6:37 PM in reply to tropicgirl
If Gregg actually had male genitalia and a spine, then he wouldn't have wussed out when Obama asked him to join his Cabinet.
Gregg's a coward.
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stanjz
December 3, 2009 12:15 PM
Yeah, Republicans have a spine because they stand behind big business which controls everything in our society from the media to our government.
Republicans actually have little to no courage and empathy. Love or empathy is actually the one virtue(of Christianity) that people are commanded to display above all others. Republicans treat it as a a weakness.
Also, the justice spoken of in the New Testament is social justice and not criminal justice like the Republican Party concentrates on. Funny how pretend Democrats like on Huffington Post,Daily Kos and many media types are so focused on criminal justice like torture and FISA and not as much on social justice.
It's the things Republicans do everyday that makes them inadequate Christians. They hate, lie, they're greedy, unloving, prideful and violent. That's just for starters. I pray for them as often as possible.
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barrelhse
December 3, 2009 12:39 PM in reply to stanjz
Interesting approach.
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NH
December 3, 2009 2:10 PM in reply to stanjz
"It's the things Republicans do everyday that makes them inadequate Christians. They hate, lie, they're greedy, unloving, prideful and violent. That's just for starters. I pray for them as often as possible"
Please cite an incident of being hateful, lying, greedy or violent specifically? Prideful? Wow... with the current narcissist in chief, you should talk.
When you say violent do you mean the killing and the maiming that people have had to endure from leftist counter-protesters? About 9 incidents including a killing and a finger bitten off and more recently a good beating with a couple of Che signs? I didn't think so.
All the words you flung out are what many of us think of the current crop of criminals in the WH, starting with the puppet in chief.
Selfish because his own desire to please his masters comes before any thought of how he is destroying this nation...lying every day to people with stuff that does not reconcile with what is actually in the bill or being said by his handlers.
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oleeb
December 3, 2009 12:19 PM
And this was the guy Obama was going to put in his cabinet. Ya gotta wonder.
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JNagarya
December 4, 2009 9:19 PM in reply to oleeb
That's because President Obama has a sense of fair play. And experience in bringing opposing parties together to solve the problem/s which has them separated.
Gregg's unwillingness to compromise reflects on Gregg.
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billpaustin
December 3, 2009 12:34 PM
" ... complain about an innocuous statement which outlines the rules that members of the Senate have ..."
Reminds me of the "innocuous" memo from Arthur Anderson reminding their employees, innocently I am sure, of the regular rules on shredding documents.
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twoviragos
December 3, 2009 12:56 PM
BREAKING NEWS: 70 year old man grows a brand new pair of brass cajones. Go Harry!
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ilovebacon
December 3, 2009 1:06 PM
Judd Gregg is a turd muffin.
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xargaw
December 3, 2009 1:41 PM
You know, I have often read that if Diogenes went to DC, he could not find an honest man. Apparently, within the GOP, there is also not a decent man. To think, Obama offered this guy a cabinet post makes my skin crawl.
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ilovebacon
December 3, 2009 8:45 PM in reply to xargaw
He has tried bipartisanship more than any recent president. Those days are over. I just watched some news clips from the Great Depression, and it's astounding to see impoverished farmers pronounce their faith in "our good government" to get us out of this mess. FDR did get us out of the mess via WPA. One has to ask how FDR would handle things today. What would FDR do?
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Morbo
December 3, 2009 2:57 PM
Yes, by all means let's have more stupid, endless debate on something the rest of the world figured out 50 years ago.
All because Americans are special snowflakes who just can't take a fucking hint. Can't follow all the successful examples of healthcare in the world, we've got to defeat bought-out, corrupt fucks with ulterior motives like Gregg and Nelsom.
The 120 people that die today from lack of coverage are just collateral damage.
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