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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's office is criticizing the GOP's "feigned outrage" in response to comments he made on the Senate floor this morning. In his speech, Reid whacked Republicans for attempting to kill health care reform, comparing their obstructive tactics to those used to prolong slavery and stall women's suffrage and civil rights.

Instead of joining us on the right side of history, all the Republicans can come up with is this:, 'slow down, stop everything, let's start over.' If you think you've heard these same excuses before, you're right. When this country belatedly recognized the wrongs of slavery, there were those who dug in their heels and said, 'Slow down, it's too early, let's wait, things aren't bad enough.'

When women spoke up for the right to speak up, they wanted to vote, some insisted they simply, slow down, there will be a better day to do that, today isn't quite right.

When this body was on the verge of guaranteeing equal civil rights to everyone regardless of the color of their skin, some senators resorted to the same filibuster threats we hear today.

Republicans lashed out.

Sen. John Thune called the remarks "inflammatory and irresponsible." Sen. Tom Coburn said he was "personally offended." Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison said there's "no place for language like that."

Sen. Orrin Hatch said the remarks were "extremely offensive."

"If you go back into the civil rights debate, it was the Republicans who helped get it through. If you go back to women's rights, Republicans have always been there," Hatch continued. "I could go on and on."

RNC Committee chairman Michael Steele said the comments were "absurd and offensive" and demanded an apology.

"This is inexcusable, deeply insulting and an arrogant abuse of the Democrat party's unchecked power in Congress," Steele said in a statement. He also called for Democrats to re-evaluate Reid's "fitness to lead."

Now, Reid's spokesman Jim Manley says, in a statement to TPM, that this outrage is "manufactured."

It is hard to believe Senate Republicans are making these charges with a straight face.

For the past eight days they've done nothing but obstruct health care on the Senate floor and throughout this year have played politics with this and virtually every other issue of importance to the American people.

Today's feigned outrage is nothing but a ploy to distract from the fact they have no plan to lower the cost of health care, stop insurance company abuses or protect Medicare.

And for those who are counting, Republicans have now held one press conference on manufactured anger and have issued one manual on how to grind the Senate to a halt - but have held zero press conferences and issued zero plans on how to help Americans afford to live a healthy life.

I think it's safe to say that tensions are running high as the Senate heads into the final stretch of health care reform.

Late update: Sen. John McCain is on the floor now (at about 5:37 p.m. ET) demanding Reid apologize for the remarks.

Late late update: Watch Reid's remarks:


Additional reporting by Rachel Slajda

Check out the latest updates on the Senate reform debate with the TPM Health Care Wire.

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December 7, 2009 4:00 PM   

Typical Republicans. They can dish it by the truckload, but they cream like babies when they have to take it.

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December 7, 2009 4:08 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

"cream like babies"

That's where us baby-hating liberals get our cream for the triple-cream brie.

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December 7, 2009 4:41 PM    in reply to DaddyD

way to go NC. Pretty soon you'll be as dumb as SC. Brie, what a way to ruin a country. Oh, no, Bush already did that, with BBQ

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December 7, 2009 4:55 PM    in reply to foodchain11

Just as long as we have plenty of babies hooked up to cream pumps, who cares? Mmmmmm, brie. Now, where did I put my Latte, and my copy of The Communist Manifesto? (Time for a little light reading.)

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December 7, 2009 4:10 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

Absolutely right. Those MFs should get slammed every time they breathe. Bunch of phonies who only care about Big Money. Nothing but a bunch of whiners. I even heard someone on FOX yesterday say that the story they were reporting wouldn't get covered by "the media." It's like Alice in Wonderland and Orwellian-speak rolled into one.

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December 7, 2009 5:47 PM    in reply to wbgonne

Fox = Orwell

Could it be any clearer the network of corporations and fascism is exactly what Orwell feared.

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December 7, 2009 4:24 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

This is yet another example of hypocrisy I will file away until Glenn Beck, or someone of his ilk, compares Obama to some socialist or other and those on this site express shocked outrage.

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December 7, 2009 5:55 PM    in reply to masanf

You do that.

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December 7, 2009 7:10 PM    in reply to masanf

Telling the truth is hypocrisy? That only makes sense in the world you live in.

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December 7, 2009 5:19 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

Sen. Tom Coburn said he was "personally offended."
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Apparently Coburn is pro-slavery, anti-women's vote, and anti-civil rights -- and was nailed for that by Reid.

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December 7, 2009 4:07 PM   

How dare Reid grow enough of a pair to utter a few words of truth . . .


BTW way "SIMPLY" is misspelled above.

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December 7, 2009 4:12 PM   

"When this country belatedly recognized the wrongs of slavery, some dug in their heels and said, "slow down." "

Um - it was not the REPUBLICANS who were the champions of slavery and its continuation.

I think Reid needs to bone up on his history a bit.

But his other examples are fairly accurate. :D :D

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December 7, 2009 4:22 PM    in reply to GayIthacan

Picky Picky

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December 7, 2009 4:22 PM    in reply to GayIthacan

His point wasn't that R's did all those things, but that they are on the wrong side of history on this one, that this is the company that today's R's belong in.

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December 7, 2009 4:29 PM    in reply to GayIthacan

He didn't say it was Republicans who opposed the end of slavery, just that 'some dug in their heels'. Anyway, anyone with the least knowledge of history knows that the Dixiecrat Democrats became Republicans after Johnson muscled thru the Civil Rights Act. Johnson himself told aides that he had 'lost the South for a generation."

It's the same crowd that opposed Social Security, and Medicare, and they say the same things about health care reform that they said about them. Lies then, lies today.

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December 7, 2009 5:21 PM    in reply to Powkat

And opposed the New Deal -- and especially social security.

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December 7, 2009 4:31 PM    in reply to GayIthacan

I think the real problem is with your interpretation of what he said. Try again, I'm sure you can get it.

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December 7, 2009 4:36 PM    in reply to GayIthacan

The Democrats who oposed civil rights and the end of slavery became Republicans through the southern strategy. It served the GOP elite well for a few years as they paid lipservice to their reactionary base. Then the base took over and we got the moraly bankrupt GOP of today.

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December 7, 2009 4:51 PM    in reply to GayIthacan

Reid did not say Republicans, he said "some" as quoted above.
Let's say social conservatives instead. At that time southern Democrats. When Johnson gave equal rights, they recognized that they had lost southern Dems. All them good ol' boys became and remain Republicans.

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December 7, 2009 4:56 PM    in reply to Jackster

Again, your attempts to tar the modern Republicans with the brush of sixties Democrats is pathetic. Robert Byrd is in which party again?

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December 7, 2009 5:11 PM    in reply to masanf

Byrd is a Democrat. That's because he left the Klan.

Trent Lott, Jesse Helms & Strom Thurmond stayed in the Klan and left the Democratic party for the Republican party where they were welcomed with open arms.

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December 7, 2009 5:27 PM    in reply to masanf

Modern Repub's could start their own paving service with the tar they attract.

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December 7, 2009 5:57 PM    in reply to masanf

Modern Republicans...Now there's an oymoron for ya.

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December 7, 2009 9:34 PM    in reply to masanf

Reid was not referring to the GOP as it was over a century ago but the present day Republican party

"This is the party of the Republican "Southern strategy"; of George Bush I's race-baiting "Willie Horton" ads; of Ronald Reagan's 1980 kickoff campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi (a small town known more than anything else for the murder of three civil rights workers where Reagan extolled the virtues of "states' rights" -- nudge, nudge, wink, wink); of George Bush II's racist smear campaign against John McCain and his "dark-skinned" (actually, adopted) daughter; of Trent Lott's fond pining for the days of Strom Thurmond and the Dixiecrat party; of race baiting, gay baiting and the Confederate flag."

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December 7, 2009 9:42 PM    in reply to masanf

Reid was not referring to the GOP as it was over a century ago but the present day Republican party

"This is the party of the Republican "Southern strategy"; of George Bush I's race-baiting "Willie Horton" ads; of Ronald Reagan's 1980 kickoff campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi (a small town known more than anything else for the murder of three civil rights workers where Reagan extolled the virtues of "states' rights" -- nudge, nudge, wink, wink); of George Bush II's racist smear campaign against John McCain and his "dark-skinned" (actually, adopted) daughter; of Trent Lott's fond pining for the days of Strom Thurmond and the Dixiecrat party; of race baiting, gay baiting and the Confederate flag."

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December 7, 2009 11:19 PM    in reply to masanf

Buckley and the National Review hoisted the flag of racism and over the next decade drew all the racists from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party with some doing a pitstop with Wallace in a third party which embrace racism while rejecting pointy headed intellectual Yankee high church Episcopalians and Goo Goo Rockefeller Republicans that mostly controlled an important segment of the Republican Party.

Dixiecrats never felt comfortable in the Republican Party until it was clear those Yankee liberals and moderates would be marginalized. Which of course they have been in the decades since. The years from about 1956 to 1980 were in that sense just an extended transformation of the Party of Lincoln to the Party of Jefferson Davis and vice versa. Except of course Republicans kept their traditional role as defenders of Capitalist Kleptocracy. Because God Knows they were not going to surrender corporate America TOTALLY to the Democrats. Instead they settled for joint custody (or vice versa who owns who)

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December 7, 2009 4:57 PM    in reply to GayIthacan

You are right about slavery. I'm not sure howsufferage broke down but it s was democrats, includeing one robert byrd, who were largely responsable for filibustering the civil rights act.

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December 7, 2009 5:02 PM    in reply to GayIthacan

Comparing today's Republican party to what it was in Lincoln's time is apples and oranges. In fact, by today's standards, Barry "Mr. Conservative" Goldwater would be declared a bleeding heart liberal.

Likewise for comparing the Democratic party of today to its earlier incarnations. Only the name has remained the same.

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December 7, 2009 5:09 PM    in reply to GayIthacan

He never claimed that the Republicans were the obstructionists.

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December 7, 2009 5:59 PM    in reply to GayIthacan

true. it was the democrats. how time has changed

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December 7, 2009 6:01 PM    in reply to GayIthacan

That was all true until Nixon's Southern Strategy inverted party ideology in the south. The remaining southern racist Democrats switched to the GOP by the Reagan years

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December 7, 2009 6:09 PM    in reply to GayIthacan

He wasn't saying that the GOP did that, he's talking of people who are so damned unwilling or afraid to make changes.

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December 7, 2009 9:11 PM    in reply to GayIthacan

Some major demographic shifts since abolition.

The Republican Party did not become the refuge of racists until 1964 following the passage of the Civil Rights Act. An overwhelming majority of Republicans voted in favor of the bill. Opposition came from southern representatives of both parties. In the years that followed the Dixiecrats became the Republicans as we know them today. Its not that Republicans are in fact more racist then Democrats -- it just what works for them.

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December 7, 2009 10:14 PM    in reply to GayIthacan

Reid never mentioned Republicans as having opposed these changes. If you want a consistent label to represent these people, it is "Conservative". Here is a history of Conservative causes
-> Oppose Slavery - Check
-> Support Seccession - Check
-> Delay Civil Rights by a Century - Check
-> Oppose Women's suffrage - Check.
Now it is....
-> Oppose civil rights to Gays

Given this History, I am surprised at the Gall Conservatives have to laugh at Liberals or Progressives.

Cheers

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December 7, 2009 4:20 PM   

Louder Reid, louder.

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December 7, 2009 4:22 PM   

Yeah, how in the world could anyone be genuinely outraged at being compared to those who perpetuated the institution of slavery.


Harry Reid may be an even bigger idiot than Barbara Boxer, something I never thought possible.

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December 7, 2009 4:31 PM    in reply to masanf

You ever brush your hair in the morning? Take a closer look. Reflections of the possible.

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December 7, 2009 5:03 PM    in reply to masanf

Given the republican party is THE party for bigots, it's very apprpriate.

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December 7, 2009 4:26 PM   

"When this country belatedly recognized the wrongs of slavery, some dug in their heels and said, 'slow down.'"

Yeah, they were called Democrats.

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December 7, 2009 4:33 PM    in reply to masanf

Get real Mf. The point isn't the party, but being on the wrong side of history. The Rs or Ds of that time are not comparable to the parties today. Futile argument and just a further deterrence from the actual issue. Can any Rethug trolls make any real arguments or just those of semantics?

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December 7, 2009 4:51 PM    in reply to h1yaaaguy

You accuse me of playing semantics, yet you can't see the distinction between perpetuating the institution of slavery and objecting to a terrible health care bill? Give me a break, dumbass. Invoking history in a piss poor fashion and then using it to insulate yourself from the backlash that follows an inflammatory smear is pathetic, almost as pathetic as the assholes who somehow think comparing the Republican Party to those who thougt it was allright to enslave human beings is a-ok simply because the Republicans oppose this terrible bill.


Perhaps the Republican Party should have invoked "history" when they passed the Bush tax cuts. Or maybe they should have mentioned slavery when they were trying to reform Social Security. Because that would have had as much merit as Reid's criticism does now, which is to say absolutely none at all.

The people on this site get in a tizzy every time there is an offensive sign at a Tea Party protest, but when the Senate majority leader uses a slavery analogy, we get morons writing "You go Harry". What a joke. Some of you are so hypocritical it is fucking nauseating.

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December 7, 2009 5:28 PM    in reply to masanf

You accuse me of playing semantics, yet you can't see the distinction between perpetuating the institution of slavery and objecting to a terrible health care bill?
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To which health care bill do you refer? -- that which has yet to be reconciled from the House and Senate bills, which latter doesn't actually exist yet?

You're full of shit. The fact is that Nixon's "Southern Strategy" was to open the doors to all the racists who left the Democratic party because of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

That's history -- fact.

And that is what the Republican party is today: the party of racists. The party, actually, of multi-faceted bigots.

Your fake whining as a pity-party victim isn't going to change that history, or the present reality: the Republican party is the party of the mega-wealthy -- those who view you as dupe and pawn and fodder. And you cooperate by voting against your own interests.

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December 7, 2009 4:33 PM    in reply to masanf

They were called Democrats. But they were Dixiecrats, the
forerunners of today's Republican party.

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December 7, 2009 4:41 PM    in reply to yellowdogD

Bullshit. The only member of the Senate who was around to filibuster the various civil rights measures in the Senate is Robert Byrd, a proud Democrat who also happened to be in the KKK. So please, spare us your bullshit revisionist history. Don't try and tar the modern Republican Party with the past actions of the Democratic Party.

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December 7, 2009 4:53 PM    in reply to masanf

Actually, you should do some research. In the 60's, the Dixiecrats ultimately left the Democratic Party to become Republicans (see Strom Thurmond).

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December 7, 2009 4:55 PM    in reply to masanf

While you're researching, also check out "Southern Strategy."

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December 7, 2009 5:30 PM    in reply to hewhohasnoname

And Jesse Helms.

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December 7, 2009 4:58 PM    in reply to masanf

You are totally channeling the wingnutistan tropes troll masaf. When you produce Dixicrat J Stenni's public repudiation of his rascism a place it beside the apology given by Byrd you might have something. You are a paid troll and stupid.

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December 7, 2009 5:31 PM    in reply to MarinCat

I think he's stupid for free.

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December 7, 2009 4:39 PM    in reply to masanf

...who's place the Republicans have filled since the mid 1960's. (see Powcat, at 4:29pm).

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December 7, 2009 4:45 PM    in reply to masanf

A snake by any other name is still a snake. This wasn't a political party comment. It was a story of the way these things have happened in Congress.

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December 7, 2009 4:51 PM    in reply to masanf

Get thee away trollie msanf. You are probably being paid to post this conservo trope (the modern Democratic Party is the same as the Dixiecrats) on this site. Obi wan Hannity can use this risible trope on his Droid fans but this BS don't fly on TMP.

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December 7, 2009 4:26 PM   

Remember the term "Obstructive anarchy." Rebublicans are openly plotting to prevent the legislature from passing any legislation, not just this bill. They want to block all executive appointees. If there is no ability to govern, there is no government - that is anarchy. Call them on it.

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December 7, 2009 4:31 PM   

Sigh, - please don't feed the troll

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December 7, 2009 4:38 PM    in reply to Powkat

My Bad. I know better, but typed before thinking.

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December 7, 2009 4:37 PM   

Let's get a little accurate history here...

Who opposed ending slavery?...the Democrats.

Who opposed and gutted the women's liberation's crowning goal, the ERA Amendment, because of homophobia?...N.O.W. and the Democrats.

Who opposed the implementation of the civil rights bill, making endless protests necessary?...LBJ and the Democrats.

Who is currently blocking Gay Rights, especially in the military?...the Democrats and Obama.

Who is using "Healthcare Reform" to harm senior Americans and gut Medicare?... the Democrats.

Who is enabling Wall Street and Corporate America to rape the American Family?...Democrats.

Who is continuing a worthless and illegal war that kills women and their fathers, brothers and sons, while claiming women's rights?...those pathetic Democrats.

Need we go on?...Some people are sooooooo gullible.

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December 7, 2009 4:50 PM    in reply to tropicgirl

Wow, you're right. It's all the democrat's fault. That explains the tremendous progress made on all these fronts during the Bush years.

end sarcasm

Obviously Reid didn't say that it was the Republicans that opposed stopping slavery or civil rights, he said those that were on the wrong side of history did so, and they used the exact techniques that today's GOP are using. If they don't believe that health care and slavery or civil rights have the same level of importance, that's a debate to be had. What they're doing is trying to milk some outrage to get Harry in trouble because they know they that if left to defend the fact that they don't do anything but delay, they don't have a very strong argument.
As for your other complaints...there isn't room to begin. As usual there are way too many shades of gray in real life politics that can be so easily pinned on the current administration with a few simple key strokes. I agree with you on some, and totally disagree with you on others. Do you really think the GOP would be a better party to improve the plight of Gay Rights?

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December 7, 2009 5:37 PM    in reply to Mec

Some people are simply nasty assholes. That is what you are responding to.

Note whe didn't bring up who opposes gay marriage: the Republicans.

Take the twit for what she is: freeper fruit-loop troll totally ignorant of history. As example, it was LBJ who got the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and the 1965 Voting Rights Act, through Congress -- despite Republican opposition.

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December 7, 2009 5:17 PM    in reply to tropicgirl

Sad thing is, you probably believe every bit of what you wrote. Poor thing.

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December 7, 2009 7:16 PM    in reply to tropicgirl

Are you paid to spout talking points, or are you really that stupid?

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December 7, 2009 9:51 PM    in reply to tropicgirl

TropicGirl

You have your facts terribly confused. While several of your (I believe) criticisms of the Democratic Party are valid, some are far off the mark. Further you seem to have no sense of a timeline nor the shifts that have occured since the Civil War.

While it is unfair to say that all Republicans are racist, it is fair to say that racists are much more at home in the Republican Party -- increasingly so since 1968.

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December 7, 2009 4:39 PM   

Earlier today, Reid whacked Republicans for attempting to kill health care reform, comparing their obstructive tactics to those used to slow the end of slavery, women's suffrage, and civil rights.

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Um, earth to Harry Reid - you have 60 votes in the Senate and can pass any health care legislation that you can get all Democrats to agree on. Republicans can do nothing to stop it.

This is just an attempt to draw attention away from Reid's miserable failure to to come up with anything his own caucus can agree on.

That's of course mostly because some Democrats are starting to understand how unpopular HCR really is:

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/healthplan.php

Health Care Plan

Favor - 39.2%
Oppose - 50.9%

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December 7, 2009 4:48 PM    in reply to Campesino

What's up with all the trolls today? Full moon or somthin'?

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December 7, 2009 5:01 PM    in reply to DaddyD

'cause MTP is soooooo good. I'll bet they are on someone's payroll.

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December 7, 2009 4:40 PM   

I'd say it was 'responsibly inflammatory'.

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December 7, 2009 4:40 PM   

It's about time Reid pointed out that the Republicans are constantly saying outrageous things about liberals and Democrats and never expect to be confronted about their smears and insults, while always pretending to be whiny little babies whose feelings are hurt when anyone says "boo" to them!

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December 7, 2009 5:39 PM    in reply to Clavis

Yeah, but, when it comes to war, they are the party of courage -- to start them but not participate in them.

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December 7, 2009 4:41 PM   

I sure do miss the glory days of Trent Lott and the balance of the GOP screaming for the "straight up or down vote." Remember when "obstructionist" Democrat's were 1) cry babies, 2) undemocratic, and 3) unpatriotic?

...the hypocrisy simply abounds.

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December 7, 2009 4:46 PM   

Well said, Senator Reid!

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December 7, 2009 4:49 PM   

all you need to know about tropicgirls credibility is right here: "...Who is using "Healthcare Reform" to harm senior Americans and gut Medicare?... the Democrats..."
gut medicare? right.

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December 7, 2009 4:55 PM    in reply to hey norm

But when the Republicans tried to enact Medicare cuts, I imagine you screamed bloody murder, as did the entire Democratic Party. But now you repeat the absolutely pathetic and incredibly hilarious talking point about how the near $500 Billion cuts in the Senate bill are only cutting waste. Sorry, but nobody is buying that one. Maybe you should encourage the DNC to put more thought into the emails they send out that you are thoughtfully parroting.

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December 7, 2009 5:14 PM    in reply to masanf

I'm sure you have an extremely reliable source for your accusations. Tell me, is it Matt Drudge or Karl Rove?

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December 7, 2009 8:40 PM    in reply to masanf

...incredibly hilarious talking point about how the near $500 Billion cuts in the Senate bill are only cutting waste.

Whew! That smells awful. What orifice did you just pull that from?

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December 7, 2009 4:49 PM   

Tom Coburn could not be personally offended if you lynched two liberals in his back yard.

This man has no soul. It takes a soul to be fully offended.

And all you would have to do is replay a few hours of his speeches on the floor of the Senate to prove that he has no soul.

This man has never voted to help the poor, the disadvantaged, the hopeless in his entire life.

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December 7, 2009 6:06 PM    in reply to dickday

Nice Coburn analogy, dickday.

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December 7, 2009 4:52 PM   

Republicans are assholes. Why do we allow ourselves to forget this?

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December 7, 2009 5:00 PM   

Amazing how Republicans suffer guilt by association when being compared to sixties Democrats but Democrats never suffer from the same thing. You can mention Strom Thurmond, I can mention Robert Byrd.

http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.928/article_detail.asp

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December 7, 2009 5:04 PM    in reply to masanf

Poor little victim, you can bring up Byrd, I bring up THE ENTIRE REPUBLCIAN PARTY.

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December 7, 2009 5:05 PM   

"It's the same crowd that opposed Social Security, and Medicare, and they say the same things about health care reform that they said about them. Lies then, lies today"

This is an awful example. Social Security and FDR’s New Deal were created as the result of a “gentleman’s agreement within the Democratic party” (as Tsahai Tafari puts it) to ignore segregation and the lynching. This is one reason why Westminster College historian David W. Southern writes in “The Progressive Era and Race: Reform and Reaction, 1900-1917″ — that racism “went hand-in-hand with the most advanced forms of southern progressivism.”

Reid's comments were bizarrely ahistorical.

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December 7, 2009 5:06 PM   

This thread highlights perfectly the mindset of modern liberals and Democrats. There seems to be some sort of belief that opposing an increasingly powerful federal government, the creation of new entitlements being the perfect example, is somehow inherently racist. It is impossible to debate on good faith terms with people who automatically assume that opposition to the "progressive" agenda is tantamount to racism.

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December 7, 2009 5:13 PM    in reply to masanf

Nobody here is arguing that. If you want to go fight imaginary enemies, you don't need to be here for that. See ya.

It is impossible to debate on good faith terms with people who automatically assume that affiliation with the "progressive" agenda is tantamount to [socialism / wanting to take away our freedoms / murdering fetuses / death panels / wanting to DESTROY AMERICA / blah blah blah]. Funny how you practice what you decry.

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December 7, 2009 6:13 PM    in reply to Clavis

PEOPLE!

Stop responding to this troll, it only makes him stronger.
Calling out liars is important, but when they just go on and on and on, ignoring them becomes the better strategy.

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December 7, 2009 5:15 PM    in reply to masanf

You are a perfect ecxample of someone who sees what you want to see regardless of what is written or said, and projecting what is in your own mind onto what others are saying.
What we say obviously has very little to do with what you think we say - why do you even bother?
You're very see through, kiddo.
How about you go for a run, or vent your ignorance on redstate or Fox Nation where all the rest of you trolls fester - people like you are very unoriginal and a dime a dozen.
Cliches, projection and false equivalencies seem to be as positive & friendly as you can get.

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December 7, 2009 5:37 PM    in reply to masanf

OK, let's debate.

What is your fear of Big Government about? Name any or all that apply, and add/modify the list to accurately reflect your POV:

a.) too powerful a central government is a threat to our freedoms
b.) governments can only harm the economy, so less regulation/control is always better
c.) other

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December 7, 2009 6:09 PM    in reply to DaddyD

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December 7, 2009 6:13 PM    in reply to masanf

Democrats believe that government can help solve problems, enforce laws and provide a safety net for those who cannot compete in the marketplace.

Republicans believe that government is always evil and set out to prove it every time they are in charge. Then the Democrats have to clean up the mess the Republicans leave behind.

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December 7, 2009 5:17 PM   

Maybe Reid discovered his ball's over the weekend

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December 7, 2009 5:28 PM   

Perhaps we should criticize Majority Leader Reid for his "fake leadership".

The man is an embarrassment to his constituency, to the Democrats, and to the Senate.

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December 7, 2009 5:42 PM    in reply to TheOwl

The Republicans have produced two documents concenring health insurance reform. This one:

"The Republican Health Care Insurance Reform Plan".

The plan consists of one word:

"NO!"

And the Judd Gregg memo on how to obstruct health care insurance reform.

I'd say it's unequivocally obvious that the Republicans keep talking about coming up with a health care insurance reform plan -- but never do. Therefore that their claim that they will come up with one is FAKE.

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December 7, 2009 5:51 PM    in reply to TheOwl

Oh look the owl crapped out another post rodent morsel.

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December 7, 2009 6:00 PM    in reply to TheOwl

Since you provide such compelling reasoning, how can anyone disagree?

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December 7, 2009 5:52 PM   

I recall Robert Byrd during the Bush years labeling the effort to get rid of the filibister (nuclear option) akin to Nazism. Now Reid informs us that using the filibister is like supporting slavery.

One wonders if there's any conceivable way to not be like the practioners of the great evils in history.

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December 7, 2009 6:00 PM   

At least he wasn't holding up a sign with Auschwitz corpses or something like that. Then again, people are dying due to lack of health coverage and insurance companies playing games with people's lives. But, hey, it's just policy stuff on paper. No real consequences here, right? What's the big deal?

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December 7, 2009 6:00 PM    in reply to DaddyD

(response to Manju)

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December 7, 2009 6:04 PM   

Since when is Profiting on someone's sickness a part of the Ten Commandments? Is refusing health care to people who can't afford it a moral issue that ranks with slavery and civil rights? Maybe it is. I think Harry should apologize for not thoroughly explaining this moral issue that is so offensive to these so called Christian republicans. He should tell them a little story about how Jesus wouldn't have the heart to charge a month of wages for getting a bit of medical care,....the power of prayer can only go so far sometimes for actual sick people.

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December 7, 2009 6:15 PM   

oh how can I say this nicely?: Fuckin' get over it, Repukes.

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December 7, 2009 6:26 PM   

Hatch says he can go "on and on" but mentioned one thing and I gurantee he couldn't mention another.

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December 7, 2009 6:33 PM   

Hatch is right. Nevertheless, why won't any Republicans support reform?
Reid's statememnts are over-the-top and if I were a Republican I would take offense as well.

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December 7, 2009 6:37 PM    in reply to LBJs Brain

Actually, as a Democrat, I'm offended by my majority leader's comments.

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December 7, 2009 6:52 PM   

"In the early 1940s, a politically ambitious butcher from West Virginia named Bob Byrd recruited 150 of his friends and associates to form a chapter of the Ku Klux Klan. After Byrd had collected the $10 joining fee and $3 charge for a robe and hood from every applicant, the "Grand Dragon" for the mid-Atlantic states came down to tiny Crab Orchard, W.Va., to officially organize the chapter.

As Byrd recalls now, the Klan official, Joel L. Baskin of Arlington, Va., was so impressed with the young Byrd's organizational skills that he urged him to go into politics. "The country needs young men like you in the leadership of the nation," Baskin said."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/18/AR2005061801105.html

Reid should brush up on his party's history.

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December 7, 2009 6:53 PM   

It hard to make sense of Reids comments since playing the race/gender card in such a way is a political loser, and hardly helps a President whose political success is due in part to hovering above such tactics.

My only guess is Reids comments were actually aimed at democrats. After all, the dems have a filibuster proof majority and everyone knows the real battle is internal, with various dems along with Lieberman threatening filibusters over the abortion provsion and the public option.

So Reid is using "repubicans" as a stand in for democrats, knowing that it was his party that actully gave us segregation, lynching, jim crow laws, and the KKK while oppossing the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments as well as various civil rights and anti-lynching bills. He's saying don't be on the wrong side of history agian.

But he's saying it in a way that coyly taps the democrats own mythology about themselves, where civil rights struggles become part of the democratic party, liberalism, and progressivism...necessitating the erasure of the role of republicans, religious groups and (on the other side) progressives like woodrow wilson, fdr, and jfk who enabled the terror state (for blacks and republicans) that was the monolithically democratic south, finding common ground with the KKK (who at the time were far from a fringe group, but rather an integral part of the democratic party).

The battle now is internal. Dems control all three branches of government and it is imperative they deliver or risk a major backlash in '10. Reids comments reflect the gravitas and desperation of the situation. ergo him tapping the darkest moments in american history as a way to rally his forces.

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December 7, 2009 7:03 PM   

Civil Rights Act of 1964

Vote totals

Totals are in "Yea-Nay" format:

* The original House version: 290-130 (69%-31%)
* Cloture in the Senate: 71-29 (71%-29%)
* The Senate version: 73-27 (73%-27%)
* The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289-126 (70%-30%)

[edit] By party

The original House version:[9]

* Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
* Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)

Cloture in the Senate:[10]

* Democratic Party: 44-23 (66%-34%)
* Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)

The Senate version:[9]

* Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
* Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:[9]

* Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
* Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)

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December 7, 2009 7:42 PM   

I don't believe Reid's words were out of place. It's hard to exaggerate this issue as people are literally dying every day because insurance companies won't miss out on their profits, and Republicans are firmly on the side of the status quo even if it means that their fellow Americans will continue to die because of it.

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December 7, 2009 7:44 PM   

This is not an original thought, but it bears repeating: the main reason the US could not agree to adopt a single payer healthcare system is that such a system would have benefited black people.

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December 7, 2009 8:17 PM   

Yes, the modern GOP is the real party of civil rights, that's why there are so many African American Repubs in congress today--NOT.

I guess they just don't know what's good for them. Ingrates.

And just look at how many southern Repubs(today's dixiecrats) are affiliated with the CCC(the "kinder gentler" Klan).
Byrd renounced his racist past, Trent Lott still wishes that Strom Thurmond had been elected president.
Oh, and look at all those black faces at the teabagging parties, yesirree.

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December 7, 2009 8:18 PM   

Notice, Reid didn't say REPUBLICANS even once when speaking historically. He simply indicated that at every point where American society made major advances, there were *those* who dug in their heels and tried to stop it.

I'm not sure if the problem is the inability to listen to what is said, or the inability to think. But either way, it's mock outrage over something that was never even said. Good on Harry for pointing out a simple FACT and good on him for not backing down.

In THIS instance the republicans are on the same side of history as those who opposed ending slavery, recognizing a woman's right to vote and civil rights. Who cares what faction was on the wrong side of history 100 years ago? The labels don't even mean the same thing anymore.

Also, Republicans are assholes. Also.

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December 7, 2009 9:12 PM    in reply to kgb999

Exactly right. He just compared the tactics of today's GOP to those on the wrong side of history. Not specifically Republicans, maybe it's giving Reid too much credit to think he may have been talking to some of those conservadems too. Looking at you Nelson...

I think a good response to Hatch, McCain, etc..

If you're offended, it says more about you then it does me. You assume that I was talking about you.

And now you have the distraction of the day.

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December 7, 2009 8:48 PM   

Dem plantation politics. Some things never "change".

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December 7, 2009 8:55 PM    in reply to Silence

of course, that's why you have so many blacks in the GOP, we drove them all out.

shithead.

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December 7, 2009 8:54 PM   

WASHINGTON, June 4 - After a long and persistent fight advocates of woman suffrage won a victory in the Senate today when that body, by a vote of 56 to 25, adopted the Susan Anthony amendment to the Constitution. The suffrage supporters had two more than the necessary two-thirds vote of Senators present. Had all the Senators known to be in favor of suffrage been present the amendment would have had 66 votes, or two more than a two-thirds vote of the entire Senate.

The amendment, having already been passed by the House, where the vote was 304 to 89, now goes to the States for ratification, where it will be passed upon in the form in which it has been adopted by Congress, as follows:

"Article-, Section 1. - The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

"Section 2. - Congress shall have power, by appropriate legislation, to enforce the provisions of this article."

Leaders of the National Woman's Party announced tonight that they would at once embark upon a campaign to obtain ratification of the amendment by the necessary three-fourths of the States so that women might have the vote in the next Presidential election. To achieve this ratification it will be necessary to hold special sessions of some Legislatures which otherwise would not convene until after the Presidential election in 1920. Miss Alice Paul, Chairman of the Woman's Party, predicted that the campaign for ratification would succeed and that women would vote for the next President.

Suffragists thronged the Senate galleries in anticipation of the final vote, and when the outcome was announced by President Pro Tem. Cummins they broke into deafening applause. For two minutes the demonstration went on, Senator Cummins making no effort to check it.

The Vote in Detail.

The roll call on the amendment follows:

FOR ADOPTION - 36.

Republicans - 36.

Capper, Cummins, Curtis, Edge, Elkins, Fall, Fernald, France, Frelinghuysen, Gronna, Hale, Harding, Johnson, (Cal.,) Jones, (Wash.,) Kellogg, Kenyon, Kayes, La Follette, Lenroot, McCormick, McCumber, McNaty, Nelson, New, Newberry, Norris, Page, Phipps, Poindexter, Sherman, Smoot, Spencer, Sterling, Sutherland, Warren, Watson.

Democrats - 20.

Ashurst, Chamberlain, Culberson, Harris, Henderson, Jones, (N. M.,) Kenrick, Kirby, McKellar, Myers, Nugent, Phelan, Pittman, Ransdell, Shepard, Smith, (Ariz.,) Stanley, Thomas, Walsh, (Mass.,) Walsh, (Mon.)

AGAINST ADOPTION - 25.

Republicans - 8.

Borah, Brandegee, Dillingham, Knox, Lodge, McLean, Moses, Wadsworth.

Democrats - 17.

Bankhead, Beckham, Dial, Fletcher, Gay, Harrison, Hitchcock, Overman, Reed, Simmons, Smith, (Md.,) Smith, (S. C.,) Swanson, Trammell, Underwood, Williams, Wolcott.


http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1920womensvote.html

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December 7, 2009 9:00 PM    in reply to Silence

is the fact that you have to go back 50 or 100 years to find a Repub majority for civil rights telling you anything?

apparently not.

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December 7, 2009 10:36 PM    in reply to human

Inner city poverty, crime, the welfare state and broken families are the progressive story. Like I said, plantation politics.

Keep telling them that they can't survive without welfare and they will vote for their own bondage.

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December 8, 2009 12:08 PM    in reply to Silence

You know, there used to be Republicans in the Northeast and Midwest who were liberal and progressive. The 1st elected African-American senator was Edward Brooke from Mass, a Republican.

However, since 1980 the party has moved steadily to the right - many of those old-school Republicans would not be welcome in today's party - and in philosophy they would be closer to a Dick Durbin than an Eric Cantor.

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December 7, 2009 9:45 PM   

Gee, what a surprise. The republicans throwing a hissy fit over criticism. By the way the founding fathers and Abraham Lincoln were all liberals, a more accurate description than Republican or Democrat. Conservatives at the time of our Revolutionary War were called Tories. At the time of the Civil War conservatives were known as slaveholders, secessionists, or Confederate Rebels. Conservatives are often on the wrong side of history. That's all Reid meant.

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December 7, 2009 11:07 PM    in reply to fangorn1

But there is an underlying truth, which is that there is a line from slavery through "Slavery by Another Name", Strom Thurmond and the Dixiecrats, the Southern Strategy, Ronald Regan's opening campaign speech at Selma, the talk-radio culture. This has been the base of the opposition to single payer since Truman proposed it.

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December 8, 2009 9:44 AM    in reply to fangorn1

"Libertarians are committed to the belief that individuals, and not states or groups of any other kind, are both ontologically and normatively primary; that individuals have rights against certain kinds of forcible interference on the part of others; that liberty, understood as non-interference, is the only thing that can be legitimately demanded of others as a matter of legal or political right; that robust property rights and the economic liberty that follows from their consistent recognition are of central importance in respecting individual liberty; that social order is not at odds with but develops out of individual liberty; that the only proper use of coercion is defensive or to rectify an error; that governments are bound by essentially the same moral principles as individuals; and that most existing and historical governments have acted improperly insofar as they have utilized coercion for plunder, aggression, redistribution, and other purposes beyond the protection of individual liberty.[5]"

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December 8, 2009 1:20 AM   

He should have said it was social conservatism that stood in the way of massive reforms (yes they were Democrats) let's not be denialists but it is the old guard power-thinking that stands in the way of any decent reform and those who scare the shit out of people that leftists intend to destroy what's great not build on it.

Fanghorn is right but like most things nowadays Obama is like MJ playing with the Washington Generals, he has these tools like Reid who can't attack properly and cower at the faux rage from the right.

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December 8, 2009 2:24 PM    in reply to ryansmash

ryansma: using the term "social conservative", while accurate, is still problematic since many abolitioists and members of the civil rights movement were socially conservative too, as MLK's daughters recent refusal to acknowledge same sex marriage demonstrates.

Indeed, I've heard black conervatives try to apporpriate the civil rights moovement for republicans by pointing to the similar religiousity. What they fail to mention is the economically progressive agenda MLK surely would've advocated more had he lived.

Likewise, there's a lot you don't mention. Namely, these southern social conservatives weren't just democrats but were often otherwise progressive in their agenda, supporting labor and child welfare laws, Social Security and FDR’s New Deal for example.

So the use of the word conervative here is really just a rhetorical trick designed to asociate moden day conservatives with dixiecrats while simultaeously creating a happy-land narrative for liberals by erasing the role they had in maintianing jim crow and lynching. While it is surely one of histories great ironies that american racism is more associated with progressive economics than the libertarian type, we must remember that american racism has been ironic since the founding. After all, it was the very liberals who founded this great nation on the principle that "all men were created equal" who somehow managed to justify denying the franchise to blacks and woemn.

We all own that as americans. Harry Reids offense, imo, is that he ties to punt it to the other, to "those who dug in their heels in," seemingly oblivious to the fact that those people had an agenda very similar to his.

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