
The Family Research Council Action PAC just finished it's spend 90-minute "prayercast," an online event to pray for God's intercession to get Senators to stop the health care bill, and it sure was interesting to watch.
Overall, the event provided a good look at the theocratic right, about which we'll have more to write tomorrow. Guests included -- either live, by phone, or on pre-recorded video -- Sens. Jim DeMint (R-SC) and Sam Brownback (R-KS), Reps. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), Randy Forbes (R-VA), Todd Akin (R-MO) and others.
But let's start our review with one fun moment from tonight. At the beginning of the event, FRC president Tony Perkins and his co-host Lou Engle spoke of a stirring moment from the Constitutional Convention of 1787. Benjamin Franklin called for the feuding delegates to join together in prayer to God, and how "without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel."
"And you know what happened?" Perkins asked. "History records that they prayed."
Actually, history records that they did not pray -- and this has been a recurring myth of the American religious right that never goes away. As the Library of Congress says: "Franklin's motion failed, ostensibly because the Convention had no funds to pay local clergymen to act as chaplains."
We'll have more tomorrow.
holyhandgrenaid
December 16, 2009 10:41 PM
Prayer against helping the less fortunate. Joke's gonna be one these boneheads when they burn in hell instead of walking beside Jesus in the kingdom of heaven
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Msinformed
December 17, 2009 9:28 AM in reply to holyhandgrenaid
Yeah, they act like they don't really believe in Jesus.
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Docb
December 17, 2009 11:25 AM in reply to holyhandgrenaid
These are NOT religious people--They are 'preacher religious'...spew and babble but know nothing about real religion because they are against peoples needs! They lie and they distort..No where in the bible does it condone these behaviors!
They are in fact some of the 'deadly sins"...
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Michael A
December 16, 2009 10:54 PM
What? At this point you think they would be popping corks off the champagne given to them by the insurance industry. The insurance industry is going to make a mint off of this thanks to the tea baggers. Yippi! They won. Why aren't they celebrating?
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Stroszek
December 16, 2009 11:41 PM in reply to Michael A
Yeah, the insurance companies have been trying to sign up all these sick people for years! You can hardly say "preexisting condition" without getting bombarded with offers from insurers. And you'd think they'd be grateful that someone is finally mandating them to cut back on all that overhead while being subjected to regulations that will require them to completely change their business model!
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OhioGuy
December 17, 2009 1:22 AM in reply to Michael A
Yeah, you might think that if you didn't understand that the insurance companies and the Republicans hated reform. Funny, that.
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mcc
December 17, 2009 12:05 AM
Will Kos, Greenwald etc be joining them?
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The Decider
December 17, 2009 12:07 AM
Oh God, please let govermint run health care fail. If it helped make people well, they wouldn't call on you. But it won't, Lord, and that's worse. They'll be putting people into death panels left and right and all our teeth will be falling out because there's only Govermint doctors to work on us. They'll be performing abortions on women who just come in cause of limbago or rheumatiz. Real Christians don't need health care anyway cause we have you, Lord.
Amen.
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Onarga
December 17, 2009 12:16 AM
Any one person who advocates for any type of government on behalf of our sovereign God is destroying the image of Jesus.
Are you a christian or are you like Jesus?
“Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves” (Rom. 13:1-2).
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jeffgee
December 17, 2009 10:33 AM in reply to Onarga
There's the reason The Family thinks they're better than you. They think their power comes from God, therefore anything they do is blessed, even if it includes breaking some of the Top 10 Rules they want carved in stone at every courthouse and public building.
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margaret
December 17, 2009 10:39 AM in reply to jeffgee
They also believe some people (not them, of course) are meant to be poor and sick.
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Brainpicnic
December 17, 2009 1:49 AM
Let us bow our heads in prayer, dear lord we pray that insurance companies continue to profit off the poor and vulnerable, that they maintain their non-competitive monopolies on healthcare, that they gouge Americans remorselessly, that they continue to reap the rewards of denying healthcare to the dying thorough your most holy method of rescission... LOL!
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Overreach THIS!
December 17, 2009 3:14 AM in reply to Brainpicnic
Yes. In His name! LOL!
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hyphenate
December 17, 2009 2:33 AM
That's all okay, because in 2012, the RR will run Sarah Palin against the Dem (whether it be Obama or someone else) and then the American people will show the rest of the world why it's a FORMER superpower, and elect "stupid and FAIL" over intelligence. And then the RR really will be in charge, and the world really WILL have Armageddon.
If I wasn't sure whether I'd still be alive in 2012, I might get my granddaddy's old shotgun (if it could ever be found!), and start sawing off the barrel with a nail file right now.
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Overreach THIS!
December 17, 2009 3:01 AM
Reminds me a bit of Iraq. If some guy wanted another's oil contract, he'd just tell the faithful that Allah wanted them to visit death upon the other's believers till he got the oil contract.
This is not *as* barbaric, but barbaric it is. "Oh Dear God, protect your holy insurance companies from the sick and vulnerable?" What version of the bible is that in?
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Minne sconsin
December 17, 2009 9:10 AM in reply to Overreach THIS!
LOL!!
A lot of good comments this morning. Except for the guy working with the nail file on his shotgun, he ought to check his dosage.
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Overreach THIS!
December 17, 2009 10:08 AM in reply to Minne sconsin
LOL back at you! Thanks for the comment, and you're right about that dosage, unfortunately!
Cheers,
O.T.
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Dave Adams
December 17, 2009 3:11 AM
I'm just glad they haven't decided to haul out the holy hand grenade of Antioch.
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Powkat
December 17, 2009 12:16 PM in reply to Dave Adams
They couldn't find the Book of Armaments
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Powkat
December 17, 2009 12:16 PM in reply to Dave Adams
Or count to three.
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Powkat
December 17, 2009 12:20 PM in reply to Dave Adams
Or count to three.
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Joe
December 17, 2009 3:28 AM
Proof Positive that:
The Republican God is Ayn Rand
The Republican Jesus is John Galt
The Republican Holy Ghost is The Invisible Hand
The Republican Bible is Atlas Shrugged
The Republican St. Peter is Milton Friedman
The Republican St. Paul is Arthur Laffer
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USgreentech
December 17, 2009 4:41 AM
RIP Kunt Repulsive.
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USgreentech
December 17, 2009 5:04 AM
They went his way.
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USgreentech
December 17, 2009 5:09 AM
Youtubing on Richard Perle is the worth mistake of a young cyst's life.
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nova voter
December 17, 2009 6:46 AM
i'm guessing they didn't read this one aloud to the flock:
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Avvocato
December 17, 2009 8:26 AM in reply to nova voter
The irony is palpable.
"Christians" who do not follow the teachings and course of Jesus.
The religious right is NEITHER ... religious ... nor ... right!
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mikedrevguy
December 17, 2009 10:40 AM in reply to nova voter
Don't confuse the issue with what the book actually says - they know it like they learned it in Sunday School 60 years ago
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Moloko+
December 17, 2009 8:43 AM
This event points out a key thing. You waste your time trying to change people's behavior because their behavior is a result of their beliefs. It's not IF you believe in God that matters as much as what you believe ABOUT God. Generally, we project upon God - all of our own fears we hold about life. If God can get angry, then it's OK for me to get angry. If God demands obedience, then it's OK for me to demand obedience. If God acts childish, then it's OK for me to act childish. If God is judgmental then its OK for me to be judgmental. If God is misogynistic, then it's OK for me to be misogynistic - ot to tolerate it if I am female. And if God has a "chosen people", then it's OK for me to consider myself chosen and to classify others as not chosen.
But what we have learned and demonstrated from quantum physics is that WE ARE ALL ONE. It is the acceptance of this principle that will bring about the behavior in people that progressives are attempting to accomplish with legislation.
God does not care or need for you to believe in Him/Her. But if we are to survive as a species on this planet - then we will have to accept the fact that WE ARE ALL ONE. And that means an expansion of your understanding of your Self to include all others - and all things.
There is only one of us. Once you understand this - you would never think of harming another again - because in doing so - it would be clear to you that you are only harming yourself.
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Msinformed
December 17, 2009 9:35 AM in reply to Moloko+
So what you're saying is man created God in his own image?
And doe String Theory sit at the right or left hand of the "WE ARE ALL ONE"?
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Moloko+
December 17, 2009 10:40 AM in reply to Msinformed
You have it. Man has created God in man's own (and faulty) image of himself. This is important to recognize if you wish to see why these praying republicans behave so absurdly. They are doing what they think is right based upon the faulty conception that God has needs. And that God needs something from us. God has no needs and cannot be harmed by us in any way because God is ALL THAT IS. But these Christians see God as being separated from His/Her creation in some manner instead of being the Creator and the Created simultaneously.
I am not sure about your string theory question. My comments about quantum theory are based on John von Neumann's work which led to Bell's theorem, the experiments of Alain Aspect and of late - Nobel Laureate Anthony Leggett.
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Schmed
December 17, 2009 11:34 AM in reply to Moloko+
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sunnysteve
December 17, 2009 10:21 AM in reply to Moloko+
The more I learn about physics and astronomy, the more awestruck and humble I feel. Sadly, with religion, it seems that hubris usually prevails.
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Moloko+
December 17, 2009 10:46 AM in reply to sunnysteve
Hubris is excessive pride or self confidence. I suggest the problem is not hubris - rather - we need an expanded sense of Self. When you realize that we are all One, then expression of your pride and Self confidence are Naturally going to have a better outcome - assuming your desired outcome is peace and brotherhood (& sisterhood).
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Msinformed
December 17, 2009 9:36 AM
"does" D'oh!
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JohnW1141
December 17, 2009 9:51 AM
Um, last month I prayed for a new Lexus and I never got it, what's with that?
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nova voter
December 17, 2009 10:37 AM in reply to JohnW1141
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
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JohnW1141
December 17, 2009 12:49 PM in reply to nova voter
nova,
good christian folk would say that God created the ancestor of the guy who, 500 years later, would invent the first prosthesis.
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nova voter
December 17, 2009 1:01 PM in reply to JohnW1141
foiled again.
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ilovebacon
December 17, 2009 10:16 AM
Yeah, I'm sure Jesus would be quite pleased with his "followers" praying for the death of the sick, the elderly and the poor. Very Christlike.
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Moloko+
December 17, 2009 10:56 AM in reply to ilovebacon
In their mind, God is angry and childlike. Does the Bible not say that God flooded the entire planet killing every man, woman, child, animal, plant, fish?, insect...all of that - except Noah in whom He was pleased?
Imagine for one moment if you can that you really believe this. Then God is a childish tyrant. And is this not the behavior of the evangelicals in the Republican party? The Bible says that Jesus healed the sick. No charge. But did you ever ask why he did not just heal all the sick on the planet? They do. And their answer is not the truthful one...that you have the power to heal yourself - as Lazarus did. Their answer is based on the notion of God & Jesus as being childish tyrants. And as their beliefs go - so goes their own behavior. This is why many (likely most) evangelical Republicans act as they do...in my opinion.
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JohnW1141
December 17, 2009 12:52 PM in reply to Moloko+
Armageddon,
God is the greatest mass murderer in the History of the Universe.
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jeffgee
December 17, 2009 10:23 AM
"You cannot petition the Lord with prayer!"
-Jim Morrison
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Schmed
December 17, 2009 11:46 AM in reply to jeffgee
Can you give me sanctuary?
I must find a place to hide
A place for me to hide
Can you give me soft asylum?
I can't make it anymore
The man is at the door
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JohnW1141
December 17, 2009 12:57 PM in reply to jeffgee
Jeff,
Evangelical Christianity, as everyone knows, is founded upon hate, as the Christianity of Christ was founded upon love.
-- H L Mencken,
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jeffgee
December 17, 2009 10:28 AM
Never mind Perkins' violation of one of the Top 10, the one about bearing false witness.
Whattya bet the prayers ended with a call to send money to the FRC so they can continue their "mission".
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JAH LIVES
December 17, 2009 11:42 AM
And they say that the muslems are full of hate, what a hypocritical society. Just goes to prove that all religion is fake and manipulative.
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WaitWut?
December 17, 2009 11:48 AM
And...we have the "Christians" that are calling on their followers to keep their weapons handy for the next revolution. In God's name, of course. 'Cause God loves a good revolution.
Because I'm only human, I sometimes let my irritation get the best of me. I had a mild tantrum last nite over this very subject and said something to the effect of "stupid Christians", forgetting that my husband is a Christian and was sitting next to me. There's too much hypocrisy in the Bible (imo), but I'm really no better. I can preach religious equality, but I can also be intolerant. Just like them.
There's a small part of me that pities these people. Christianity "can" teach compassion and tolerance (as the amazing post from Nova Voter above shows). Unfortunately, so many of Christ's followers don't understand, or outright ignore, his teachings.
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The Decider
December 17, 2009 12:16 PM in reply to WaitWut?
Jesus saved his sharpest words and scorn for the religious leaders of His day. He called them snakes and sons of the devil. Don't confuse the few who follow his model with the bulk of "Christians" out there today. We could fix this whole problem, I think, by bringing back the vow of poverty.
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Holy Roller
December 19, 2009 7:13 AM
The video of the whole prayer group was sad and funny at the same time. I don't understand how religious family-oriented people can be against making health care available to everyone? They're all such a group of hypocrites that I can't help but revel when they fail.
Please God, please Jesus, please let them follow in the footsteps of Ted Haggard, Jim Baker, Jimmy Swaggart, Robert Tilton, Jesse Jackson, and all the others who haven't been revealed yet, please...
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