
The Politico reports that Senate Republicans are outraged at Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) due to their votes against an amendment he introduced, to crack down on the rape of employees of military contractors, now being used against them:
The Republicans are steamed at Franken because partisans on the left are using a measure he sponsored to paint them as rapist sympathizers -- and because Franken isn't doing much to stop them.
"Trying to tap into the natural sympathy that we have for this victim of this rape --and use that as a justification to frankly misrepresent and embarrass his colleagues, I don't think it's a very constructive thing," Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) said in an interview.
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"I don't know what his motivation was for taking us on, but I would hope that we won't see a lot of Daily Kos-inspired amendments in the future coming from him," said South Dakota Sen. John Thune, No. 4 in the Senate Republican leadership. "I think hopefully he'll settle down and do kind of the serious work of legislating that's important to Minnesota."
No, this is not The Onion.
mcc
December 2, 2009 5:40 PM
In a chamber where relationship-building is seen as critical, some GOP senators question whether Franken’s handling of the amendment could damage his ability to work across the aisle.
Franken's amendment got 10 Republican votes. Sounds to me like Franken knows how to work across the aisle just fine.
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eric the red
December 2, 2009 9:04 PM in reply to mcc
Bingo! Good work in finding that.
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JeffB
December 3, 2009 10:04 AM in reply to eric the red
Are Republicans rapist sympathizers?
http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=6578
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JEP07
December 4, 2009 10:43 AM in reply to JeffB
sympathizers is a bit strong, maybe "enablers" would be more appropriate...
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JEP07
December 4, 2009 11:22 AM in reply to JEP07
THE REC BUTTON IS WORKING!!!
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JEP07
December 4, 2009 11:47 AM in reply to JEP07
And the trolls have not even TRIED to comment here. Where's Oleeb, or The Chihuahua?
Have we finally found an issue that even THOSE hypocrites can't touch because their own hypocrisy will be proven if they utter a single word?
Bulldog, you are gutless wonder.
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Maine Independent
December 2, 2009 10:15 PM in reply to mcc
"In a chamber where relationship-building is seen as critical, some GOP senators question whether Franken’s handling of the amendment could damage his ability to work across the aisle."
They've been saying that about the "socialist" Bernie Sanders I-VT for years, in the House and Senate.
Despite all of that, he has been a very effective Rep and Senator, one of the very best, up there with Russ Feingold (who he brought to Vermont for a large open town meeting, a great night).
Franken will outlast those Rethug idiots.
And the only reason for a Dem to be reaching across the aisle to the Rethugs is to snap the handcuffs on.
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JEP07
December 4, 2009 11:13 AM in reply to Maine Independent
"In a chamber where relationship-building is seen as critical"
Yeah, right, they really mean the relationship-building where the public is bent over forward with the Republican senators standing behind them... and anyone who defies that configuration like Franken did is considered a pariah.
On top of everything else, isn't this bill the very kind of legislation that our lawmakers, in both houses and the White House and Supreme Court, should be making? Isn't that their job?
So not only have the Republicans revealed that they would vote against Franken no matter how worthy his offering, they have also proven they will vote against any law that originates across the aisle, regardless of it's merits.
Their shame will magnify every day as the simple truth of their malfeasance towards their constituents becomes exposed.
HYPOCRITES!!!
And now they have proven themselves unworthy, for all the nation to see.
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Maine Independent
December 2, 2009 10:35 PM in reply to mcc
"In a chamber where relationship-building is seen as critical, some GOP senators question whether Franken’s handling of the amendment could damage his ability to work across the aisle."
They've been saying that about the "socialist" Bernie Sanders I-VT for years, in the House and Senate.
Despite all of that, he has been a very effective Rep and Senator, one of the very best, up there with Russ Feingold (who he brought to Vermont for a large open town meeting, a great night).
Franken will outlast those Rethug idiots.
And the only reason for a Dem to be reaching across the aisle to the Rethugs is to snap the handcuffs on.
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JEP07
December 4, 2009 12:02 PM in reply to Maine Independent
And now the R's want Franken to publicly absolve them of their sheer guilt, this from the Politico comments:
"Franken should make it clear that GOP senators don’t support assault or rape.."
But THEY DO!! It is now there on the public record. proven by their in votes, they do not hold rape as bad enough to trump their campaign contributors.
It is simply a fact, they have basically proven that THEY DO SUPPORT RAPE, no matter how you slice it, they protect rapists and rape over individual basic civil rights if their corporate contributors are at stake in any way. You can't sugarcoat this one with gymnastic semantics, which may be a real first for these R's.
They literally have publicly voted in favor of supporting rape by protecting ANYONE associated at any level legal from responsibility for it, in their desperate and transparent attempt to protect their corporate sponsors from their natural civil obligations.
So shout it from the rooftops, it is no exaggeration, and Al can't absolve them of ANYTHING even if he does make one of those comity comedy statements like they all want him to.
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mans_best_friend
December 2, 2009 5:42 PM
I can certainly understand why they'd be upset. IOKIYAR, but not INOKIYAD.
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ilovebacon
December 2, 2009 5:45 PM
GOP
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SchrodingersCat
December 2, 2009 5:45 PM
What a bunch of whiny jackasses.
And I'm glad to know that John Thune doesn't think rape is "serious".
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Hussein Stemper
December 2, 2009 7:40 PM in reply to SchrodingersCat
Word. Certainly he knows that Planned Parenthood was successful in beating back the "no abortion even if you're a victim of rape or incest" bill in the South Dakota legislature a couple years ago. Maybe he thinks his constituents have forgotten it all. I can hear his robocall now:
"Hey, John Thune here. If you're raped, I hope y'all don't mind having the kid. There's a good lass. Hey, vote for me on Tuesday, hear?"
Sorry, John, I think you're going to hear about this at the ballot box in 2010...
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jdb316
December 2, 2009 11:46 PM in reply to Hussein Stemper
I hope Thune will pay a price for this at the ballot box next year. But I wouldn't count on it. Thune was elected in 2004 in large part because South Dakota voters found his brand of conservatism more to their liking than Tom Daschle. If they disliked Daschle enough to vote out an 18-year senator who had enough clout to bring home the bacon to their state, I can only imagine how much they loathe someone like Al Franken.
If anything, Thune's stand against Franken might further endear him to South Dakotans.
Besides, it's not like the Dems have anyone else who can challenge Thune, anyway. Herseth-Sandlin has already said she's running for re-election to the House (and she'll face a tough enough fight there). Other than Tim Johnson, who is already in the Senate, how many other prominent Democrats are there in South Dakota?
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Cal Gal
December 3, 2009 12:55 AM in reply to jdb316
Such a good point. Reminds me of how Washington voters voted out Tom Foley. Just shows you how stoopid Amurikan voters can be not to recognize what a bonus it is to have leadership representing your distric.
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Bruce Webb
December 3, 2009 10:07 AM in reply to Cal Gal
Tom was voted out by EASTERN Washington voters.
Washington is really two states. First you have Seattle plus a couple of college towns north (Bellingham) and south (Olympia) that might as well be Boston and Cambridge. Then you have the rest of the state on this side of the Cascades which gets you the rest of Massachusetts (factories, suburbs, research triangles, islands, boats, fishing, vampires (well maybe that is just Forks). But jump over the passes and you are in Idaho. Eastern Washington does winter wheat and tree and row crops rather than just potatoes but with Eastern Oregon is just as much a part of the Mountain West as Utah, Idaho, and Montana are, meaning low information conservative farmers sprinkled with the occasional college town with flickers of enlightenment liberalism. Foley was always an odd match for his district ideologically but came off as an old comfortable shoe. People did understand that as Speaker he was kind of important, and even gave him a pass because he never actually seemed to visit his district much, having more important things to do, but which didn't give him much cover when the tide suddenly turned against his party. In fact some people in Spokane thought that the Speakership came with the territory and that his successor would have the same clout. Oops.
People who think of Washington as a deep blue latte sipping grunge influenced salmon tossing place are not wrong exactly, because a huge proportion of our population is within a 30 mile radius of Pikes Street Market in Belltown Seattle, but taken as a whole we are more like NY State with Spokane filling the role of Buffalo and Vancouver, WA (the one not in Canada) maybe Rochester. Tom Foley was a sophisticated man of the world who happened to represent our equivalent of western NY. And got bounced. And like a lot of small town folk who made it big in the City never came home.
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JEP07
December 4, 2009 12:11 PM in reply to jdb316
'course Bill Frist showing up in SD to campaign against Daschle , in an unprecedented attack from across the aisle didn't expose the fact that they pulled out every stop to beat Daschle.
One can only imagine how those same voters would have felt if they knew than that Thune was a shameless rape enabler.
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Cal Gal
December 3, 2009 12:49 AM in reply to SchrodingersCat
"Trying to tap into the natural sympathy that we have for this victim of this rape --and use that as a justification to frankly misrepresent and embarrass his colleagues,..."
Oh, yeah. Because they have so MUCH natural sympathy that they just HAD to vote AGAINST this bill.
Idiots. Anti-women arseholes. Tools. Brain-dead negativists.
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tiowally
December 3, 2009 8:49 AM in reply to Cal Gal
You're being much, much, much too kind.
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JEP07
December 4, 2009 10:51 AM in reply to Cal Gal
just had a thought...when they admit it embarrasses them, do they realize what they are really saying?
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ericf
December 2, 2009 5:47 PM
Knowing Franken, he probably thought this was not just the right thing to do but simple and uncontroversial as well. It turned out to be a trap for the Republicans, but if they voted against just because it was Franken's bill, as I suspect, they built the trap themselves.
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burnedoutdem
December 3, 2009 10:35 AM in reply to ericf
I don't know that they viewed it as voting against Franken as much as voting for the company that pays them to win elections...
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JEP07
December 4, 2009 10:57 AM in reply to burnedoutdem
...that's the checkmate, right there in a sentence.
Not only did this bill force them to choose between their own image as hard on crime, especially RAPE, and their obligation to Halliburton et al.
Add to the mix their deep seated contempt for Franken, and they had two reasons to vote against, versus one reason to vote for it.
Clearly, when they chose to protect their sugardaddy and to flip off Franken rather than pass a very good law that protects their constituents from the worst kind of employer abuse, they compromised a great deal of their false image, the same image that has gotten them elected in the past.
The brilliance of this bill, both in it's denial of privilege to KBR and in it's "law-and-order v. Frankenhater" catch-22 can hardly be ignored.
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JEP07
December 4, 2009 11:27 AM in reply to JEP07
MORE FRANKENBILLS!!! PLEASE!!!
...maybe Al should propose a bill to somehow honor Abe Lincoln, that original Republican, and see if they stumble over themselves to vote against it, just cuz' it's a Frankenbill.
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JEP07
December 4, 2009 11:36 AM in reply to ericf
"Knowing Franken, he probably thought this was not just the right thing to do but simple and uncontroversial as well."
Hey, I love the guy, but I am not THAT naive...
How could you even get this bill to the floor in the first place without recognizing the incredible strain it was going to put on the hypocrites? I would suggest it is more likely that in crafting the bill, with every new paragraph, they realized just how revealing this would be, and it only hardened their resolve to get it up for a vote.
I would also suggest that the way the Republican Senators "unwelcomed" Al into the fold guaranteed that ANY bill he offered would get the same treatment. They just did not expect the bill to uncover their abject hypocrisy so succinctly.
While I don;t think Al wrote the bill just to get the controversy stirred up and the hypocrisy uncovered, once the implications of the bill became apparent as it was put together, the sheer righteous irony of it all must have given them great satisfaction.
Especially knowing, as they surely did by the time their bill was headed to the floor, that their Republican fellows would end up with more than just egg on their embarrassed red faces.
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ilovebacon
December 2, 2009 5:48 PM
GOP loves rapists. Just ask Hucklebee.
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JEP07
December 4, 2009 11:40 AM in reply to ilovebacon
As recent history goes, considering the no-bid book-cookers Bush put in charge of everything, I'd say it is more accurate to say the GOPers ARE rapists...
They are so used to having their way with the American voters, they don't even realize it is no longer consensual...
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The Old Grouch
December 2, 2009 5:48 PM
In simpler terms, Republican Senators are apologists for those who would prevent rape victims from seeking justice if it has an effect on the finances of their supporters.
I suppose their are even lower forms of life in Congress, though I am reluctant to search for them.
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Texas Aggie
December 2, 2009 9:22 PM in reply to The Old Grouch
This is about the best summary of the situation I've seen. Good job.
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condew
December 2, 2009 10:14 PM in reply to The Old Grouch
That brings to mind Sarah Palin and charging victims for the rape kit used to preserve evidence. Sure, we'll go after your rapist, but it'll cost ya.
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Cal Gal
December 3, 2009 12:58 AM in reply to condew
It's unfortunately true that rape kits sit around police departments all over the country without being sent to labs for DNA testing. Even right here is uber-liberal San Francisco.
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tosh
December 2, 2009 5:57 PM
I don't know why the GOP wants to engage Franken on this, rather than just hoping the story (and their votes) would die. They don't think that if they keep it alive and give Al the chance to go on TV to respond that they won't continue to look like Rape Supporters?
This is a loser for them on not only the issue, but also on the bigger picture of given Al something he can get over with the MSM as a Reasonable Senator. I mean... even the GOP Loving MSM would have a tough time defending the GOP for Rape Love, and not generating massive sympathy for the woman who is the subject of Al getting the law passed.
If the GOP is smart, they don't want Al to get over on an easy one simply because they don't want him to get over. At some point, RR stopped being "the actor" and the MSM started treating him like a two-term Gov of the most populace state in the country. And then when he started make jokes, they enjoyed it.
I don't think the MSM will ever fully love Al as the enjoyed Swinging On John McCain's Tire. But they do like to report politics as competition, story and entertainment. Al is competative, can tell a story and is entertaining. So once he gets over with them, he's going to become a go-to-guy for quotes.
When it comes to Al, the GOP should just STFU and hope that he continues laying low.
John
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
December 2, 2009 7:15 PM in reply to tosh
Reminds one of the Fox trademark infringement suit over "Lying Liars" that the judge laughed out of court at the preliminary injunction stage. It was worth tens of thousands of sales of the book.
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Dogger
December 2, 2009 8:06 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
The Judge ruled that the suit was "Wholly without merit, both factually and legally."
That would have made a more accurate slogan for Fox as well.
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JEP07
December 4, 2009 11:21 AM in reply to Dogger
LOL707LOL707!!!
That would be a great photoshop project for someone here at TPM, take that damnable logo and "fair and baanced" line and change it to your much more accurate version...
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Cal Gal
December 3, 2009 1:03 AM in reply to tosh
Nobody ever underestimated the intelligence of the American ReThug.
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JEP07
December 3, 2009 11:48 AM in reply to Cal Gal
yes, but it has been misunderestimated...
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fpie
December 5, 2009 5:48 AM in reply to tosh
You've got that right. And the ace card is it's about SEX. Dirty, nasty, brutal, bloody, criminal SEX! It would be a nine days wonder.
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Stiggs
December 2, 2009 5:57 PM
How about this, when Republicans stop loving rape so much Democrats will quit giving them shit for it.
Oh, and I'm still not understanding why the rape lovers don't think it's a good idea to let employees of military contractors pursue rape cases in court. Blathering on about the benefits of arbitration fails to explain seeing as the amendment doesn't make arbitration illegal but simply prevents that from being the only path available.
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SS247
December 2, 2009 5:57 PM
Do you think maybe he wasn't doing it to embarrass his colleagues, but to do something that was the right thing to do?
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EastWest
December 2, 2009 6:06 PM in reply to SS247
Uhhh.... That's what he did wrong. He actually, you know, submitted an amendment that was NOT cynical and mean-spirited. I mean, he spit in the face of collegiality!
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BeeClone
December 2, 2009 7:13 PM in reply to SS247
You see, that's where he went wrong doing something because it's right goes against all that is the GNOP.
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rx7ward
December 4, 2009 10:58 AM in reply to SS247
This possibility would never occur to them, because that's never why THEY do things. This all had to be a liberal conspiracy to make them look bad, because that IS how they do things.
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fpie
December 2, 2009 5:58 PM
And he seemed like such a nice jewish boy on that Saturday Night Life show. Course they weren't very nice to Nixon.
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Common Sense Caucus
December 2, 2009 6:04 PM
Um, what? The only thing that could confuse me more than Republicans not voting for Franken's amendment would be their anger for having their vote on an amendment used against them politically. Can these guys handle the job? They don't show up to work anyways. Bizarre thought process.
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ohyeathatsright
December 2, 2009 6:07 PM
Don't even start to read the comments on that Politico article. Now i'm 'fuming'.
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JEP07
December 4, 2009 11:51 AM in reply to ohyeathatsright
But notice how conspicuously absent the trolls are on this thread ? I think Al's really hit them where it hurts.
I can see all of our resident trolls now, huddled in a corner staring over at the computer,in fetal position, sucking their thumbs and repeating incessantly "I'm good enough' I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people LIKE me!"
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UTMark
December 2, 2009 6:09 PM
Go Al! GOP senators continue to project their hypocrisy and dishonesty on others. When they get caught in their own snares of shameless deceit, they blame somebody else. Quick, call the WAAAAAAHMBULANCE!
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mass_murdock
December 2, 2009 6:12 PM
"I don't know what his motivation was for taking us on..." - South Dakota Sen. John Thune
Lulzy quote of the day. I bet Al Franken is shaking in his boots now that he's taken on John Thune. I wonder what his motivation possibly could have been! He must be so crazy!
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Barry Champlain
December 2, 2009 7:43 PM in reply to mass_murdock
That's right. He took YOU on. It was all about YOU.
"See, I already know that the Republicans need to vote to keep the brutal assault and rape of women legal for their benefactors, and so I'm going to introduce this bill, see, simply to embarass them."
Seriously, what stopped these immoral and sociopathic fuckers from voting for Sen. Franken's amendment?
And, will the MSM ever even ask that question? Yeah.
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JEP07
December 4, 2009 2:20 PM in reply to Barry Champlain
"And, will the MSM ever even ask that question?"
No.
viva la blogs!
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kunda311
December 2, 2009 6:17 PM
I think I would just like to punch Republican Senators and Congresspeople in their faces for their brazen, endless hypocrisy. What a bunch of lowlife douchebags.
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Cal Gal
December 3, 2009 1:05 AM in reply to kunda311
I'd rather kick them in their nuts. And for the women? Slap them upside the face. Both ways.
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tiowally
December 3, 2009 8:54 AM in reply to Cal Gal
You're being much, much, much too kind.
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JEP07
December 3, 2009 11:51 AM in reply to tiowally
tiowally, you could cut and paste this line all up and down this thread, and it's gonna fit...
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lousgirl84
December 2, 2009 6:18 PM
Franken has been conspicuously quiet on the health care reform debate. Anyone notice?
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BalRog
December 3, 2009 12:18 AM in reply to lousgirl84
No. He hasn't:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCNs7Zpqo98
You just haven't been paying attention:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgqqSHr0wVA
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lousgirl84
December 3, 2009 11:04 AM in reply to BalRog
Okay -thanks for the link. But I haven't seen much coverage of him speaking out other than the youtube link.
I am big fan of Franken
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JEP07
December 3, 2009 12:08 PM in reply to lousgirl84
"I haven't seen much coverage of him speaking out other than the youtube link."
Someone with Franken's high profile should be in the news more often, and I mean the MSM news.
The fact he's conspicuously absent from the MSM, despite his availability, is proof that a right-promoting CEO mandate is systemic in the industry. Without the internet no one would even know about most of this.
Viva la blogs (and YouTube too!)
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FightTheFascism
December 3, 2009 1:05 AM in reply to lousgirl84
Here's another:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w_p-xMOp7U
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theWalrus
December 2, 2009 6:20 PM
Memo to Republicans: Dis Senator Franken at your own risk.
Consider yourself warned. :-)
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condew
December 2, 2009 10:21 PM in reply to theWalrus
Shhhh! Don't stop your enemy when they are busy self-destructing.
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ronbyers
December 2, 2009 6:30 PM
Let's see. Male Republican senators come out four square in favor of protecting governmnent contractors who are accessories after the fact in rape cases involving their employees. Nearly every woman in America and a lot of men are outraged and it is Al Franken's fault. I guess he was just asking for it.
No one should vote for a single one of those macho rapist lovers. They deserve all the scorn that can be heaped upon them.
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Donald from Hawaii
December 2, 2009 10:04 PM in reply to ronbyers
To quote my late grandfather: "Ain't it funny? It's all about money."
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sunnysteve
December 2, 2009 6:31 PM
Don't forget the amendment offered by Republicans in the Senate Finance Committee to strip prenatal and obstetrics care from mandatory coverage. It got votes from every GOP Senator except Snowe. Really classy bunch of guys.
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Cal Gal
December 3, 2009 1:10 AM in reply to sunnysteve
That just SCREAMS "pro-life" to me.
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Reuel
December 2, 2009 6:33 PM
I just called Cornyn's Austin office. They claim that the Franken's amendment had nothing to do with the rape case and that the rape case is being heard in Federal Court now. Can anyone confirm this?
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Reuel
December 2, 2009 6:42 PM in reply to Reuel
A statement in the Politico report says that the case is in Federal Court now: She fought the arbitration clause in her contract, and in September the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit ruled that Jones’s sexual assault allegations were not “related to” her employment, allowing her to proceed in court. KBR is fighting the ruling.
The point of Franken's amendment still stands: why should someone who is gang raped have to first get the arbitration clause overthrown in Federal Court, then Appeals Court, then fight with KBR after that, prior to getting to proceed in court against KBR on the original charges?
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Cal Gal
December 3, 2009 1:19 AM in reply to Reuel
Cuz KBR's workers' comp insurance rates could go up?
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JEP07
December 3, 2009 12:01 PM in reply to Cal Gal
..probably not a problem, aren't their operatives all contractors, responsible for their own welfare?
Not only do those contractors have to pay their own taxes, they are forced to sign an agreement that their "employer" is exempt from lawsuits and can only be legally dealt with via internal arbitration, controlled by the company, which is not really their employer because they are contractors.
So KBR and Halliburton and Blackwater, all of them, via this contractor's catch-22, don't have to pay for normal employee taxes and insurance, yet they get the full legal protection of an employer via their contracts, the very type of contract that Franken's bill would prohibit.
The Contractor's Catch-22, I guess that sums it up. They are trapped by their own signatures in an unfair agreement.
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theWalrus
December 2, 2009 6:44 PM in reply to Reuel
Sen. Franken's amendment would prevent the government from working with contractors who denied victims of assault the right to bring their case to court. Ms Jones case against KBR is a separate issue.
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Solomon Drek
December 2, 2009 6:35 PM
"Trying to tap into the natural sympathy that we have for this victim of this rape --and use that as a justification to frankly misrepresent and embarrass his colleagues, I don't think it's a very constructive thing,"
It would be even more embarrassing for the GOP if she got pregnant and can't get an abortion because of GOP opposition, and then if she got pregnant and had a child would be unable to afford health care because of GOP opposition.
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midnight rambler
December 2, 2009 10:59 PM in reply to Solomon Drek
You're making the incorrect assumption that they would be embarassed by that outcome, rather than proud of it.
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Matt Jones
December 2, 2009 6:36 PM
Favorite bit from the article:
Why should Franken do that? He sponsored an amendment to give rape victims better access to the legal system, and the Rethugs opposed it because it might hurt their mercenary buddies. The public can draw whatever conclusions they'd like to from that.
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MasonMcD
December 2, 2009 10:28 PM in reply to Matt Jones
But how about the people that vote *against* the amendment?
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Cal Gal
December 3, 2009 1:13 AM in reply to MasonMcD
Good point. Huckleberry is incoherent again.
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theorajones
December 2, 2009 6:38 PM
"especially since the amendment deals only with civil claims, making it possible for alleged rapists to be prosecuted criminally"
Way to report, Politico.
"Legal experts say Jones' alleged assailants will likely never face a judge and jury, due to an enormous loophole that has effectively left contractors in Iraq beyond the reach of United States law.
"It's very troubling," said Dean John Hutson of the Franklin Pierce Law Center. "The way the law presently stands, I would say that they don't have, at least in the criminal system, the opportunity for justice." http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=3977702&page=2
So, you get raped overseas by your colleagues in a war-torn country where you can't call the police (who probably operate under sharia law anyway), your employer locks you in a shipping crate and posts guards and tells you you're going to be fired if you tell anyone what happened, you have to be rescued from that shipping crate by the US Embassy, and then the Army hands your rape kit over to your employer, who loses it.
Of course the place to go for justice for something like this is a private arbitrator! An entire profession of people who are Thes silly court systems and their "independent" judges and juries are so silly!
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johnbwarner
December 2, 2009 8:11 PM in reply to theorajones
Theora Jones,
Who ever you might be, shipping container indeed! Your analysis is best so far. How Republican corporate slaves and John Thune in particular can sleep at night -- next to their wives, no less -- is beyond me. Keep up the good comments.
JW
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Cal Gal
December 3, 2009 1:29 AM in reply to johnbwarner
Ditto. This is the definition of "travesty." I think they need to post a photo of the shipping container on every opposing ReThug's website.
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hoppycalif2
December 2, 2009 6:58 PM
Do you realize that the Repub congress folks have now reached the point where nothing they do surprises us. If half the Repub Senators dropped their pants and fondled themselves before the CSPAN cameras, no one would be shocked, and their colleagues would be totally supportive of them.
Maybe I overstated this - if half the Repub senators banded together to murder a 3 year old child, it would be possible to find someone who would be surprised. Is that better?
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The Old Grouch
December 2, 2009 7:10 PM in reply to hoppycalif2
That would not in fact be a surprise. They have shown time and again that they stop caring about children once they're born.
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Cal Gal
December 3, 2009 1:31 AM in reply to hoppycalif2
Was it a Muslim child?
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NobleCommentDecider
December 2, 2009 7:09 PM
The amendment is OUTRAGEOUS!
Republicans are just defending the freedom....to have wars.
How are you supposed to have illegal wars and NOT expect rape, pillage, murder, lying, knocking off dozens of uppity journalists, torturing folks and having some war profiteering on the side?
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chimpale
December 2, 2009 7:12 PM
Shorter GOP: "WE'RE the victims here!"
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midnight rambler
December 2, 2009 11:01 PM in reply to chimpale
That's too short. It could apply to just about any recent story with the "Republican" keyword.
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Phoebe Fay
December 2, 2009 7:14 PM
Is there anything Republicans take responsibility for anymore? Today it's blaming Democrats for their own votes. Yesterday it was Cheney saying he wasn't responsible for anything in Afghanistan. Didn't these guys once claim to be the party of personal responsibility?
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chimpale
December 2, 2009 7:19 PM in reply to Phoebe Fay
And they probably still do, because they're also the party of rank hypocrisy and bald-faced mendacity.
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BeeClone
December 2, 2009 7:41 PM in reply to Phoebe Fay
Yes, your personal responsibility.
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Ethan
December 2, 2009 7:24 PM
Thanks Franken for showing us these guys are against individual rights.
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chimpale
December 2, 2009 7:26 PM
And, by the way, who was holding the gun to their heads and forcing them to vote against the amendment?
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thomas1
December 3, 2009 10:09 AM in reply to chimpale
I believe that would be their paymaster, KBR
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cwnidog
December 2, 2009 7:29 PM
Senator, you and I are just going to have to disagree on this one, I think that it's an extremely constructive thing to do.
Jesus, it's like claiming that showing pictures of abused prisoners puts our troops at risk, but not quite making the connection to reason why it puts them at risk. So, as ashamed as I am to admit it, it's not just a GOP quirk.
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Iamtheocean
December 2, 2009 7:32 PM
When you have to bend over backwards to protect Blackwater you might want to start thinking about priorities .
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Apphouse50
December 2, 2009 7:35 PM
Of course, everyone knows Repugs are sniveling louts, but it's always fabulous when they snivel publicly. And at the hands of a guy they like to portray as nothing more than a comic! Oh, joy! Oh, rapture.
Go Al!
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Walter Mitty
December 2, 2009 7:37 PM
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Knothead Jake
December 2, 2009 7:56 PM
Taking on who? The Pro-Rapists? I can't even imagine how hard that must be, to defend rapists. I do feel that's going to be a tough row to hoe. They have my sympathy. Go Al!
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ETSpoon
December 2, 2009 8:01 PM
Ain't that a shame.
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oby82
December 2, 2009 8:03 PM
yes, thank you dear johns...
it IS franken's fault for trying to stop contractors from raping people.
how dare he politicize this.
wait, he's not making this a political game? you are?
ok, i don't get it.
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fsudirectory
December 2, 2009 8:15 PM
Sucks that a freshman comedian with a higher quality education than the majority of the members of the Senate is capable of tarring the entire male republican senate in one fell swoop.
Baller.
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Jackster
December 2, 2009 8:36 PM
everything democrat: bad
except when it's good
then try to cover your ass
when someone notices you vote, rape: good
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sunnysteve
December 2, 2009 8:42 PM
Who are the brave, or smart, ten GOP senators who simply voted to support the amendment?
We can count on Snowe and Collins, for obvious reasons (they are women, for the benefit of the totally clueless).
I can wistfully imagine the headlines: Only Eight Male GOP Senators Support Legal Rights for Rape Victims.
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wake up
December 2, 2009 8:48 PM
Boy, that Franken -- it's bad enough, trying to give rape victims an even break. Next thing you know, he'll be helping out widows and orphans. And puppies.
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AustinGirl
December 2, 2009 8:50 PM
Here's the response from Cornyn's office regarding my love note to him...Totally forgot his audience. AND, the "now Dear, you just don't understand" tone makes me want to pop him one...
"Thank you for contacting me regarding Senate Amendment 2588 (S. Amdt. 2588) offered by Senator Al Franken to the Department of Defense (DoD) Appropriations Act for Fiscal Year 2010 (H.R. 3326). I appreciate having the benefit of your comments on this matter.
I strongly support the right of women to pursue their careers in a workplace environment free from fear and harassment, and I share your outrage and concern regarding the tragic story of Ms. Jamie Leigh Jones. However, S. Amdt. 2588 was not about Ms. Jones or her case, and I am disappointed that some have chosen to use this issue for political gain.
The Obama Administration opposed this amendment, and I was joined by 29 of my Senate colleagues in voting against its adoption. S. Amdt. 2588 would effectively bar all defense contractors and subcontractors from entering pre-dispute arbitration agreements with their employees to resolve any employment discrimination claims, and could require the DoD to cancel all existing contracts with arbitration clauses, renegotiate new contracts, and significantly impact crucial defense support infrastructure at a time of war.
S. Amdt. 2588 is not a narrow response to one case, but a major across-the-board overhaul of American employment arbitration law. Although Senator Franken shared the heartbreaking story of Ms. Jones when he spoke in support of his amendment, both the District Court and the Fifth Circuit Court of appeals held that Ms. Jones's rape charges could not be submitted to arbitration under current law. Therefore, Ms. Jones still has the opportunity to pursue her claims in civil court—with or without the enactment of the provisions of S. Amdt. 2588. Quite simply, this amendment is not drafted to protect victims of sexual assault but instead aims to ban employment arbitration altogether—adversely affecting approximately 70,000 cases each year.
In the end, S. Amdt. 2588 would cost American businesses and workers significant time and money spent in drawn-out litigation. Arbitration was established as a means of reducing legal expenses and providing wronged parties quick and affordable justice. Repealing arbitration would benefit only trial lawyers. I believe that all Americans have the right to settle their disputes in fair, efficient arbitration rather than going through the costly and often lengthy litigation process
Finally, left-wing bloggers, personal injury lawyers, and demagogues have spread the charge that any senator who voted against S. Amdt. 2588 is “pro-rape.” This outrageous libel must not be tolerated. It is reprehensible that opponents of S. Amdt. 2588 are being characterized as supporters of rape. Such attacks only serve to harm civil political discourse and offend common decency."
Foul, disgusting excuse for a human being...
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ilovebacon
December 2, 2009 8:58 PM in reply to AustinGirl
John Cornyn is a disgusting excuse for a human being. He's a rapist lover, just like Hucklebee.
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mophan
December 2, 2009 10:21 PM in reply to AustinGirl
Wait, so Obama was against the bill. Isn't he a socialist AND a fascist? So wouldn't that make the 29 Republicans who voted against the amendment...
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bill57
December 3, 2009 10:01 AM in reply to AustinGirl
Thanks for the letter post AustinGirl. I am never amazed anymore about the ignorance of partisan repubelickans. This comment from a U.S. Senator, "Repealing arbitration would benefit only trial lawyers. I believe that all Americans have the right to settle their disputes in fair, efficient arbitration rather than going through the costly and often lengthy litigation process"
Hmmmm, and I always thought that it was the right to a fair trial. I guess those public schools done taught me wrong. In the Repubelickan world up is down, money is right and the bible is "selectively" the word of God...
I'd be laughing at these asshats if they weren't so dangerous.
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ilovebacon
December 2, 2009 9:00 PM
Hucklebee releases child-rapists, women-killers, and cop-murderers. Hucklebee should be jailed!
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eric the red
December 2, 2009 9:06 PM
At some point, the Democrats have to realize the phony "my good friend" crap and Senate decorum has been used as a cover for Republican efforts to do some really nasty things. Good work, Franken.
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eric the red
December 2, 2009 9:12 PM
Oh and BTW, if these Republicans are all into the "decorum" and working across the isle, why are they giving interviews to people about how bad Franken is? Aren't they violating the very rule they claim to hold sacred, and even more overtly? What a bunch of crap. If there was a true understanding about how Senators should not say bad things about other Senators personally, aren't they breaking that rule?
I actually like the decorum stuff in the Senate, and I do think it keeps things generally civil, but for some of these Republicans, it is out the window if they are called out.
Bullshit.
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ilovebacon
December 2, 2009 9:12 PM in reply to eric the red
Time for the nuclear option.
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sunnysteve
December 2, 2009 9:32 PM
Re: my post above requesting a tally of the ten GOP votes for the amendment:
Collins, Snowe, Murkowski and Hutchison
Bennet, Grassley, Hatch, LeMieux, Lugar and Voinovich
Give the six guys a pat on the head. We cannot even imagine the hurt of a rape victim. But we can do what we can to alter the circumstances that lead to rape. Women deserve the right to work anywhere men do, when they demonstrate the capability. Having any person fear rape as a risk of employment is not acceptable.
If you are a guy and still don't get it: what would you fear most about going to prison?
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Cal Gal
December 3, 2009 1:40 AM in reply to sunnysteve
Not to mention being locked in the storage container after.
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hychka
December 2, 2009 9:35 PM
What other defense do dumbasses have?
Gosh, darn it all, that guy actually called us out as total asses! Boy! That's the end of bi-partisanship with him! (Yeh, yeh! Like we'd EVER be bi-partisan on anything but total surrender to the glory of corporate greed!!!)
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Richardxx
December 2, 2009 9:40 PM
Gee. Who could have predicted?
Thirty Senators (strangely all Republican) are forced to choose between their allegiance to a corporation and their the natural sympathy a rape and corporate atrocity victim. They of course vote their true sympathies - for the long-suffering corporation. Then they blame Al Franken for not giving them cover? Even for Republicans that's chutzpa.
I guess Al is the new guy in the Senate so he can be blamed for all kinds of things. Especially by Republicans.
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wake up
December 2, 2009 10:06 PM
"Decorum" means: Have the decency to let us throw rape victims under the bus in the privacy of our public office.
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lindam
December 2, 2009 10:18 PM
Oh, yes, We want to avoid corporate inconvenience at all costs. The life of a woman isn't worth the legal expense it might cost a corporation. And they call themselves the values party.
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mophan
December 2, 2009 10:19 PM
Wait, so Obama was against the bill. Isn't he a socialist AND a fascist. So wouldn't that make the 29 Republicans who voted against the amendment...
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mophan
December 2, 2009 10:22 PM in reply to mophan
The above post was a double post to a reply... sorry.
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Waltz
December 2, 2009 10:39 PM
These guys ARE rapists. Not really. I am being hyperbolic, but they voted against stopping the prosecution of rape and are blaming people who want to help rape victims.
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vueartist
December 2, 2009 10:43 PM
What do we all expect from these bought and sold Republican men voting to protect contractors who are trying and prevent an employee (a woman) to seek justice from from a male dominated business machine conducting war. Is anyone really surprised. The Republican machine will alway defend and support business as usual against a whining woman rape victim, just like they are doing on health care. Really Jon Kyle, you and your other male comrades, you couldn't see this coming? I can't believe you people are so utterly stupid. Thank God for one smart Senator, Al Franken. I hope that this is only the beginning of a brilliant career for this soon to be great American Senator. More power to ya AL!!!!
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FightTheFascism
December 2, 2009 11:01 PM
Mwahahaha!!!
- FTF
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Tim
December 2, 2009 11:19 PM
I said it a long time ago during the Minnesota recount, here and other sites, one Franken is worth several pedestrian Senators. Franken is well versed and an expert at satire jujistu - once he's mastered that in politics.... well, he is going to be, for Republicans in the Senate, their worst nightmare for the next 20 years.
This is just a harbinger of things to come.
What kind of idiot votes against an amendment to protect employees of government contractors from rape? And they blame Franken for it.
This is just the beginning.
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RocketEngineer
December 2, 2009 11:19 PM
Unfortunately, it's another five years before that ignominious Kyl comes up for re-election. I wish we could use this next year. Oh wait! We can use it against McCain!
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hondo64ou
December 2, 2009 11:27 PM
"Trying to tap into the natural sympathy that we have for this victim of this rape --and use that as a justification to frankly misrepresent and embarrass his colleagues, I don't think it's a very constructive thing,"
This proves what I've long thought, the GOP can't even be shamed into doing the right thing.
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Icon
December 2, 2009 11:47 PM
"No, this is not The Onion."
I'm not convinced.
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absurdity 007
December 3, 2009 12:26 AM
When it comes to workin across the aisle,..... Al's Good Enough, Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like him!
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inokeah
December 3, 2009 12:34 AM
Come on and face it, rape is not the issue.
Women are on there way to Islamic law treatment.
Lots of men think this is a good thing.
Its the Democrat way. Watch for the new style in New York fashion houses next year.
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Cal Gal
December 3, 2009 1:45 AM in reply to inokeah
Its (sic) the DEMOCRAT way? Shouldn't that be "weigh"?
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Cal Gal
December 3, 2009 12:44 AM
"The Republicans are steamed at Franken ..."
Oh YEAH!
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dickday
December 3, 2009 2:07 AM
Al is going to be a thorn in these bastards side for years to come. He is so damn smart and knows exactly how not to become mad but to become even.
Wait and watch why the incarnation of Wellstone and Humphrey raise Minnesota to know heights...
Hell, raise the Senate to new heights.
ahhahaahah
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whitenoise100
December 3, 2009 8:52 AM
"I think hopefully he'll settle down and do kind of the serious work of legislating that's important to Minnesota."
Ya know, like flag burning legislation or maybe a nice Terry Sciavo bill.
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70news2
December 3, 2009 8:53 AM
Congressman said: "Obama has something to hide":
read this shock: http://www.dowjonessecret.com/obama-has-something-to-hide.html
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JEP07
December 3, 2009 11:54 AM in reply to 70news2
a tattoo, maybe?
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lamonth
December 3, 2009 9:04 AM
politico must be the gop blog - what a waste of web space. i cannot listen to the people on politico anymore, because i do not believe their reporting
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ilovebacon
December 3, 2009 9:47 AM
GOP rapists
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Dorn76
December 3, 2009 9:54 AM
So an American woman can be raped by Americans, all of whom work for an American company, whose operations are funded 100% by American taxpayers, and she'll never see the inside of a courtroom.
And the GOP has a problem with that, and they're offended they have to show up at work and actually vote on items of interest to the American public, who they work for....
Oh, this is delicious. Thank you Minnesota!
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Dorn76
December 3, 2009 9:56 AM in reply to Dorn76
Pardon, the GOP has "NO problem" with that.
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sunnysteve
December 3, 2009 10:15 AM in reply to Dorn76
Wait... It get's even worse. My understanding is that the minority party (that's the GOP -- let's remember who lost the election) called for a roll call on the vote. They wanted their votes to be on the record! Proud to vote for KBR/Halliburton's immunity from the risk of losing federal contracts for complicity in covering up the crime of gang rape on one of its own employees by its own employees. We are not picking on them, folks. We are not 'embarrassing' them. They wanted to be named!
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JEP07
December 3, 2009 11:47 AM in reply to sunnysteve
It's a wonder they didn't have their names spelled out loud, so the no-bid book-cookers at Halliburton and KBR get it right on the check...
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