
I just watched an interesting public option colloquy of sorts between Sen. Arlen Specter (D-PA) on the one hand and, Sens. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) and a newly in-the-mix Susan Collins (R-ME) on the other. It was the first time I've seen a senator call out his colleagues, however politely, on their misrepresentations of the public option.
The trio spoke at an event in support of a cost containment amendment to the health care bill that they hope to introduce shortly. About 15 minutes in, though, Specter, who's tacked significantly to the left since he switched into the Democratic party, put his colleagues on the spot about their public option opposition.
"I continue to support a robust public option," Specter said. "There are differences on that, and my two colleagues have expressed their own reservations."
"This bill may be so good, look so good, to Senator Lieberman that he may be willing to make some accommodations."
Lieberman and Collins both demurred.
"I do not support...a government owned, government run insurance company," Collins said.
"I have only to look at the experience of my own state in establishing a government run plan to see the problems that arise."
Collins was referring to the Dirigo health agency, which provides subsidized insurance to poor people in Maine who don't quite qualify for Medicaid.
"I think we have learned a lot from the Maine plan," Specter retorted. "We know what not to do. We're not going to adopt a Maine plan. That experience will stand us in good stead. We won't make the same mistake."
Specter went on: "And when Senator Lieberman talks about single payer, I think he's putting his finger on the pulse of it. That's what people have concluded [but] the public option isn't single payer, and it is not going to add to the deficit, it's going to be a level playing field. So I would like everyone to read the fine print and [for my colleagues] to re-read the fine print."
Burn!
eric the red
December 4, 2009 12:53 PM
So what is the problem with Dirigo Health, other than it pisses off the Chamber of Commerce?
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JNagarya
December 4, 2009 9:31 PM in reply to eric the red
It also pisses off the private health insurance monopoly: its death panels are not earning their keep.
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EastWest
December 4, 2009 1:21 PM
Ummmmm.... These assholes don't want to read the fine print. The fine print is inconvenient. They'd rather grandstand on lies, knowing that Harry Reid (Wuss-NV) will pee all over himself to give them anything they want. And also knowing, for what it's worth, that they'll turn around and pee on Harry themselves. And us.
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Matt Jones
December 4, 2009 7:32 PM in reply to EastWest
Or in shorter form: they don't want to READ. The health care bill could have everything they want in it, and they'd still filibuster it and delay it every step of the way - just out of partisan spite at this point.
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JNagarya
December 4, 2009 9:34 PM in reply to EastWest
Reid isn't caving, else there would be no chance for any health insurance reform.
Are you a Republican? Or are you a "loyal" Democrat to whom one dare not turn his back?
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again
December 4, 2009 1:25 PM
"It was the first time I've seen a senator call out his colleagues, however politely, on their misrepresentations of the public option."
Is that really true? What about Rockefeller?
Either way, I'm impressed that Specter did this. At bottom, for a "D" senator who leans right to support the public option shouldn't be surprising - there's nothing "left" about a public option, and even Teddy Roosevelt campaigned on Nat'l Health Insurance in 1912...
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Zoey
December 4, 2009 1:30 PM
Specter fails to acknowledge that a Medicare expansion would save the advertising and administrative costs we now pay. It would be more sustainable than a public option that is required to compete. That means advertising just like the private insurance plans. Also, the public option in the bill is really privately administered, so we're talking more money down the drain. I for one am sick of paying for advertising and lobbying. I just want to be able to go to my doctor or dentist. Oh yes, with the public option you can forget about dental. Sanders new medicare expansion amendment provides for dental too.
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JNagarya
December 4, 2009 9:35 PM in reply to Zoey
Specter wasn't there to complicate a simple message: stop lying.
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delmoi
December 4, 2009 1:37 PM
That was not a "burn"
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JNagarya
December 4, 2009 9:37 PM in reply to delmoi
It was according to the norms of the Seante. He is accusing them of lying about the bill. Though they all know he is accusing them of lying without having read the bill.
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boycottfaux
December 4, 2009 1:55 PM
Lieberman makes me throw up in my mouth!!
Bough and paid for by the insurance companies in CT . .
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lousgirl84
December 4, 2009 2:01 PM in reply to boycottfaux
Too bad you couldn't throw up in his mouth
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jollyroger
December 4, 2009 3:48 PM in reply to lousgirl84
This is a family site...there are some images you could charitably keep to yourself...
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traitorjoe
December 4, 2009 1:57 PM
Traitor Joe is not "bought and paid for by the insurance companies in CT." He pimps for defense, health care AND insurance firms in CT and around the world. Get your facts straight.
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rbeats
December 4, 2009 2:04 PM in reply to traitorjoe
Why don't you ask his wife?
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traitorjoe
December 4, 2009 2:28 PM in reply to rbeats
About her salary from healthcare firms? And how that doesn't affect Traitor Joe?
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lapdogs
December 5, 2009 2:13 PM in reply to traitorjoe
Amazing how GI JOE has NO problem with spending umpteen Trillions and Trillions on WAR but when it comes to OUR HEALTH, the only words he has for us are "JUST DIE, ALREADY"!
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lousgirl84
December 4, 2009 2:00 PM
I am happy with Specter so far. I think at first he was like a fish out of water in his new party, but I honestly think he feels he made the right decision now and seems to be stepping up to the plate
Okay, now you can go ahead and have at me for this comment.
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MikeE
December 4, 2009 2:09 PM in reply to lousgirl84
Well, any senator will do in this instance, and if it's Specter then I say good on 'im
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MNPundit
December 4, 2009 2:35 PM in reply to MikeE
See I really want Specter to win. Why? Because he really IS scared of bullying from the left. We can actually control him. How many other senators are legitimately scared of us? None.
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debbiedoesnothing
December 4, 2009 5:07 PM in reply to MNPundit
If he wins re-election, he's safe for 6 more years so he won't be as susceptible to bullying. Still, I've always respected Specter, even when I didn't always agree with him.
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JNagarya
December 4, 2009 9:40 PM in reply to MNPundit
I wish the "left" would make up their minds: either the Democrats are wusses who ignore their constituencies. Or they can be bullied.
Not-so-by-the-way: "Bullying" is not a constructive attitude.
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arias
December 6, 2009 4:02 AM in reply to JNagarya
You do realize that democrats are not one monolithic block that can be described as "either or" for your purposes of labeling them wusses or capable of being bullied?
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JNagarya
December 6, 2009 4:25 AM in reply to arias
It isn't I doing the labeling.
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again
December 4, 2009 2:07 PM
Brian - just curious - was this really a first? What about Rockefeller?
"It was the first time I've seen a senator call out his colleagues, however politely, on their misrepresentations of the public option."
Thanks.
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Indie Pro
December 4, 2009 2:31 PM
Meh, if he wanted to call them out, he'd talk about the dishonesty of their arguments coupled with the real reasons, which is the industry does not want a public option. That is the real reason.
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matyra
December 4, 2009 2:40 PM in reply to Indie Pro
lol, you forget that in the Senate, that
"With all due respect..."
means
"Oh my fu(king hell, you have no idea what you are talking about you stupid moron...."
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Indie Pro
December 4, 2009 2:45 PM in reply to matyra
I can only go on what's in this post, I didn't see the exchange.
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matyra
December 4, 2009 2:49 PM in reply to Indie Pro
I know I know, I'm just making a joke about how insults in the Senate are usually masked in tone.
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Indie Pro
December 4, 2009 2:51 PM in reply to matyra
my bad.
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JNagarya
December 4, 2009 9:42 PM in reply to matyra
More like:
"With all due respect for assholes, you're a failure even at being an asshole."
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ilovebacon
December 4, 2009 2:36 PM
Time to call Lieberbum's bluff. And force cloture soon (so there's still time to break elbows before X-Mas). Publicly strip Lieberbum from his committees when he filibusters. Then offer the seat to whatever Republican votes against a filibuster. Power is the strongest candy for politicians. SOMEONE will bite.
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MyMy
December 4, 2009 2:41 PM
Glad to hear someone is calling out the distortions from opponents publicly. Really, it's so disheartening to see the lies get all the headlines...
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Clavis
December 4, 2009 3:03 PM
I'd respond, "But, Joe, we ARE the government. It's a government by the people, remember? Why are you so against the people owning their own healthcare system? Why would you prefer that some faceless corporate bureaucrat stand in between you and your doctor?"
And then I'd be wrestled to the ground by Secret Service for daring to question the great Lie-berman.
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jollyroger
December 4, 2009 4:24 PM
Man, it doesn't take much for a Senator to be uncharacteristically frank!
"Re-read the fine print"? That's a big slap upside the head? H
How about, "I would suggest to the obtuse lady from maine and the lyhing sack of shit from Connecticut that they remove their heads from their assholes long enough to acquaint themselves with the truth, so they at least can obfuscate more convincingly--that way they won't insult our intelligence as badly"
I guess my mother was right--I'll never be a senator.
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jbforob
December 5, 2009 9:05 AM in reply to jollyroger
perfecton!
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Tim
December 4, 2009 6:47 PM
I thought Specter was a little to generous. Lieberman was lucky that Franken wasn't there. What I like about Franken is he's jujiztu - he lets the opposition step in it on their own. There's a day coming when Republicans will be afraid to step into the same room or even talk about the same topics that Franken talks about.
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neesy08
December 5, 2009 12:40 PM
not being from maine, can somebody who is please explain what happened with the states attempt to create its own healtcare reform system. Sounds like DIRE conseqencies! lol
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JNagarya
December 6, 2009 4:27 AM in reply to neesy08
I don't know anything about that system -- if it exists. But it's the fact that the state of MAine is suing the biggest private health insurance provider in the state.
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