
Democrats better hope for a good CBO report on a public option compromise, and agreement among party members, to take shape quickly. Because if everything doesn't fall into place almost precisely as planned, they'll blow right through Christmas without passing a health care bill.
Here's what Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-IL) said yesterday: "The scenario could be...if we reach the point where we want to move forward with the manager's package, there will be three cloture votes before final package: Manager's, substitute, and the original bill."
That's a lot of Senate jargon, but here's what it means. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will offer one last big change to the bill as soon as the CBO weighs in on a public option alternative. That "manager's amendment" will be subject to a cloture vote, in order to be added to the health care package being debated on the Senate floor.
The package, though, isn't "the Senate health care bill". It's a "substitute amendment" to an irrelevant House bill. Since revenue bills must originate in the House of Representatives, the Senate often uses any random piece of House legislation as a vehicle for its own spending initiatives. In this case, health care. But they can't just glue the two together. The House bill has to be stripped and amended with the health care bill. That's another cloture vote.
When that's finally done, the Senate can move to end the last filibuster on what Durbin calls "original bill." Yet another cloture vote. Each cloture vote eats up many hours. Still with me?
Durbin said, "it's going to be something like six or seven days, start to finish."
There are two weeks until Christmas, and the CBO hasn't weighed in, and it's not at all clear that Democrats are unified on the bill taking shape. The margin for error, in other words, is tiny, if they don't want this months-long health care fight to drag into 2010.
Walter Mitty
December 11, 2009 1:09 PM
Of course it is, because the Democrats will not accept the fact that Lieberscum is a Republican and playing their delay-at-all-cost games from inside.
This bill should have been signed by August, but Obama and reid let the GOP play their games and now it's going to be the new year IF it's ever passed. And what was pushed back six months because the GOP was allowed to play their games? climate, financial regulations, immigration?
Obama is getting played and he seemingly doesn't even know it or knows it and is doing nothing about it.
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CT Voter
December 11, 2009 2:18 PM in reply to Walter Mitty
Obama is getting played?
Maybe. He's allowing the legislative process to take place. The delays aren't his responsibility, directly. They are Harry Reid's and the Democratic Caucus. They're the ones who are giving in to Republicans. And Obama isn't doing anything about that, but what could he do? Pull them aside? He has done that. Threaten? With what? Threaten Ben Nelson of Nebraska with what, exactly?
I'm not thrilled that this has taken as long as it has, either, but you get legislation with the Democrats you have, not the ones you want (h/t Rummy).
If they don't get something done, they're toast in 2010, and no amount of whining about Joe Lieberman or those mean nasty Republicans will salvage them. I would think some get that.
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Indie Pro
December 11, 2009 2:35 PM in reply to CT Voter
The White House, aided by Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.), is working hard to crush an amendment being pushed by Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.) to allow for the reimportation of pharmaceutical drugs from Canada, Senate sources tell the Huffington Post.
As a result, the Senate health care debate has come to a standstill: Carper has placed a "hold" on Dorgan's amendment and in response, Dorgan tells HuffPost, he'll object to any other amendments being considered before he gets a vote on his.
talk about the enemy of the good
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CT Voter
December 11, 2009 3:08 PM in reply to Indie Pro
Sens. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., and Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, together with 30 co-sponsors, introduced an amendment that would allow for an influx of cheaper prescription drugs from certain countries -- all under tight Food and Drug Administration restrictions. Dorgan has fought for the change for a decade, and it was previously supported by President Obama when he was a senator and White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel when he was a representative. But Sen. Tom Carper, D-Del., as well as at least one other Democrat, according to Dorgan, have put the brakes on any action on the amendment
I'm wondering how the WH is involved?
I realize that John McCain has informed us that it's the deal with Big Pharma that is causing the delay. And it certainly may be that. Do you know of another source more credible than McCain or an anonymous Senator?
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Indie Pro
December 11, 2009 4:22 PM in reply to CT Voter
of the deal with big pharma? that the whitehouse is involved with keeping the deal with big pharma? I'm not sure what you are asking me.
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Cool Blue Reason
December 11, 2009 2:12 PM
Get Pelosi to play ball. Specifically, ping-pong ball.
Make this cloture vote the last and get it the hell out of the Senate, never to return.
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mcc
December 11, 2009 2:24 PM in reply to Cool Blue Reason
"Ping Pong" means the House has to surrender what little remaining control over the process it has. It for all practical purposes would mean the Senate gets to dictate a bill, and I don't know who would want the Senate writing the bill. Conference is at least a chance for the House to improve things. I'm not sure why it would give that up.
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mcc
December 11, 2009 2:19 PM
Only three? Does this mean the Wyden amendment is dead?
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Gator_fan
December 11, 2009 3:06 PM
At this point, progressives who support reform should get together and those 56 should just take the house bill and vote on it. Use the nuclear option to get around the filibuster. Amend it to remove Stupak and send it back to the HOuse and then have that go to the President's desk.
Just get it done and take these conservadems power; they're killing the party and wasting the countries time and money.
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Progressive Party
December 11, 2009 3:40 PM
what the fuck happened to keeping all this shit out in the open and broadcast all hearings thru cspan and transparency. We are so fucked and Reid is keeping his own caucus in the dark, no public option, medicare for only the unisured 55 and older, benefit limits for expensive treatments, letting democratic party traitors who won't support the party on procedural votes to weaken and kill this bill, etc....
Obama and the democratic party can kiss 2010 and 2012 goodbye if this is the shit they are pulling for HCR!
The game of "NO" and obstruct real reform has been lost folks! There is no recovery from this major fuck up and people wonder why the democratic base is demoralized...The senate is a fucking whorehouse and we keep getting fucked!
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ilovebacon
December 11, 2009 9:22 PM in reply to Progressive Party
calm down.
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