
As if Democrats didn't have enough to worry about. Overnight and into tomorrow, Washington, D.C. is preparing for a major snow storm, complete with thunder and high winds. A winter snowpocalypse.
On any other weekend, that would be no biggy for Senate Democrats, but tomorrow, they need all hands on deck if they hope to keep on track to pass their health care bill by Christmas. And remember, they can't afford a single slip-up.
So here's another wrinkle: Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) has skipped town.
Already, they've wheeled in the cots for members and staff who choose to slumber party the night away in the Capitol, or Senate offices. But tomorrow, bright and early, all of them could need to be on hand for procedural reasons. For instance, Democrats expect to have to waive a budget point of order they expect Republicans to raise against the defense appropriations bill. That requires 60 votes.
Potentially complicating matters, though is that Lieberman, who's caused Democratic leadership no shortage of political heartburn on health care, isn't even in town!
"After being assured by Democratic and Republican leaders that his vote was not needed to pass the Defense Appropriations bill, Senator Lieberman went to Connecticut to spend the Sabbath and the last night of Hanukkah with his wife, Hadassah, and their children and grandchildren," reads a statement to TPMDC from Lieberman's spokesman Marshall Wittmann.
That means Democrats will be relying on at least one Republican to help them get the defense bill over a procedural bump in order to push them back on to health care. They're crossing their fingers.
But assuming they can get one vote, what happens if the snow keeps other members away? It could be a big problem. Leadership seemed confident earlier today that everybody would be present and accounted for tomorrow, and a bit surprised to learn that Lieberman had flown the coop. With all these added complications, don't be surprised to hear a new Republican talking point: Even Mother Nature hates health care reform.
Walter Mitty
December 18, 2009 5:31 PM
Sen. Byrd can't be there either.
Also how long before a Republican says "See, God doesn't want healthcare passed!"
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
December 18, 2009 5:32 PM
Great. Now all those idiots who were prayin' for God to smite the health care commies the other day will be taking credit for the storm.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
December 18, 2009 5:35 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Assuming they can get Holy Joe's wrinkled old ass back in DC and find a way to get Byrd there and they get the thing done, however, you've got to admit that this is the kind of stuff that those people will be telling stories about for years to come.
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admiralmpj
December 18, 2009 5:49 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
As a native D.C.er, I'm always skeptical of winter storms. We got the crap kicked out of us one time in the late eighties when I was a teenager. D.C. was caught totally by surprise, and did a horrible job cleaning up and it took days for the region to get back to normal.
Since then, every time it looks like there's a little snow coming our way (I should say their - since I live in snowless California, now), Weathercasters most of the channels did everything but call it the coming of the four freakin' horsemen. The morning of the storm arrived, and...it'd sprinkle a little. We'd get a dusting, instead of an ass-kicking. And life would go on.
Now, there's always a chance that this is a once in a lifetime storm that does turn around and kick the crap out of the area, but I've just been through too many of these storms to get my dander up too much...
...even though it's freakin' 80 degrees out in Burbank right now.
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slb
December 18, 2009 7:09 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Problem is, pious Joe won't travel on the Jewish sabbath. The only way Orthodox Jews will get from one place to another on the Sabbbath is to walk. So I say, make him walk from Connecticut. He's a large part of the reason they are still in DC in the first place.
May he one day be the most pious man in hell.
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Matt Jones
December 19, 2009 3:17 AM in reply to slb
Don't worry: by morning, he might not be Jewish. Sen. Reid should call him and tell him how happy the other Democrats are about his religion; Droopy'd be in Congress by morning with a double helping of bacon and eggs with cheese...
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jjdjjd
December 19, 2009 4:53 AM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
how come joe's ass is wrinkled and byrd's ass isn't? by the way the version of this bill which requires people to buy health insurance or be fined and/or jailed will be struck down as unconstitutional, sen. byrd said so. and as a former grand whatever of the KKK sen. byrd should know.
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Tanjaoui
December 19, 2009 8:47 AM in reply to jjdjjd
Someone challenged it in Massachusetts. I don't know where that stands.
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jjdjjd
December 19, 2009 11:57 AM in reply to Tanjaoui
thats state, not federal.
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IDB
December 18, 2009 5:35 PM
Dayummm. According to Wunderground, D.C.'s in for a bruising. 14 to 16 inches through Saturday night.
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gotalife
December 18, 2009 5:39 PM
Are they filibustering and leaving town for funding for the troops?
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diamondjoe
December 18, 2009 5:51 PM in reply to gotalife
No, for saving American lives destroyed by our profit-hungry health care system.
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gotalife
December 18, 2009 6:06 PM in reply to diamondjoe
"After being assured by Democratic and Republican leaders that his vote was not needed to pass the Defense Appropriations bill, Senator Lieberman went to Connecticut to spend the Sabbath and the last night of Hanukkah with his wife, Hadassah, and their children and grandchildren," reads a statement to TPMDC from Lieberman's spokesman Marshall Wittmann."
The defense bill is funding for the troops.
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willia451
December 18, 2009 5:53 PM
This is ridiculous.
It's all because the Democratic Leadership want a bill passed by the State of the Union speech.
Otherwise it will be perceived as a huge embarrassment and blow to the President.
So What?
They have completely screwed this thing up from the beginning by not recognizing they were never going to get to 60 votes in the Senate for anything worth a damn. And gone in another direction with it.
Now they want to stage this farce?
Please. Let everyone go home for the holidays for God's sake.
What difference does it make now?
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Overreach THIS!
December 18, 2009 5:58 PM in reply to willia451
Sounds like a concern troll...
No data on home page like a concern troll...
Reads like a concern troll...
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willia451
December 18, 2009 7:22 PM in reply to Overreach THIS!
No troll here. I just don't want a bad bill. Again, we don't need individual mandates and nothing progressive to expand coverage. We just don't and you know it.
If the goal is to expand coverage, we can do that in a multitude of different ways.
I believe individual mandates with nothing progressive in the bill will mortally wound the Democratic Party.
And it breaks my heart to see us capitulate on all of our values, for what amounts to something we could do, outside this process anyway.
I agree. Don't make the perfect, the enemy of the good and all that. But this Senate Bill is not even good.
Its wrong. And again, you KNOW its wrong.
Can't you feel it?
At least the House Bill tried. This Senate Bill is just garbage.
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FreeRider
December 18, 2009 7:44 PM in reply to willia451
You are a concern troll. You don't want this bill to pass so you bring up all kinds of things like your concern for Senators going home for the holidays.
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willia451
December 18, 2009 10:18 PM in reply to FreeRider
Say what you want. But there is no way I am going to submit to an individual mandate, without true, affordable choice.
No Way. And I'm not the only one. Only 1/3 of the nation in the latest Research 2000 poll, support the Senate Bill; without a public option or Medicare expansion included. Or both.
Stick THAT in your pipe and smoke it.
2/3 of the nation are AGAINST the Senate version of HCR.
House version? 57% support.
WTF about those numbers, do you NOT get?
Individual mandates with NO true public choice, is an abomination.
We ALL "GET" that. What the hell is YOUR problem?
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Evan Waters
December 18, 2009 8:52 PM in reply to willia451
There is the ban against discrimination on the basis of pre-existing conditions, which is pretty significant (and can't really be done through reconciliation since it isn't, strictly, a budget measure.) And if you're gonna have that, a mandate has to come with it so that the healthy buyers-in pay for those who aren't.
It does need beefing up, but I'm at least hoping reconciliation can iron out the kinks.
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ProgressiveInNewYork
December 19, 2009 7:41 AM in reply to willia451
I've got to agree with you. The Senate bill is garbage. There is no oversight, no breaking up of the monopolies, and no protection for consumers. The only thing the Senate bill does is make it illegal NOT to buy insurance from the very people who have screwed up the system in the first place.
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Andreams
December 18, 2009 8:05 PM in reply to willia451
It makes a lot of difference to the families of people who are dying. The pols took August off because healthcare wasn't important enough to cancel their vacation. They took Thanksgiving/Veteran's Day off because healthcare wasn't important enough to cancel their holidays. It doesn't make sense that they should celebrate the birth of Jesus at home with their families while other families are spending the holiday in hospitals.
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jollyroger
December 18, 2009 8:09 PM in reply to willia451
by not recognizing they were never going to get to 60 votes in the Senate for anything worth a damn.
openponysearch
calling out from under 20 feet of horshit They are not fools. Only fools would have done this. Something's going on here butI don't know what it is...I've got to get to the bottom of this..."/endponysearch>
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jollyroger
December 18, 2009 8:18 PM in reply to willia451
by not recognizing they were never going to get to 60 votes in the Senate for anything worth a damn.
openponysearch
calling out from under 20 feet of horshit They are not fools. Only fools would have done this. Something's going on here butI don't know what it is...I've got to get to the bottom of this..."/endponysearch>
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dtOZONE
December 18, 2009 8:21 PM in reply to willia451
Um, that would be the media's fault, not the Democratic Leadership.
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lifeofreilly
December 18, 2009 5:55 PM
Don't they only need 50 votes in the morning? I thought Saturday (tomorrow) was the defense spending bill, for which cloture has already been invoked. And then Reid introduces his health care bills for cloture votes beginning Monday. No?
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luvpolitics1
December 18, 2009 6:00 PM
They dont need Joe Lieberman or Robert C. Byrd until Monday morning. Thats when they are going to file cloture on the managers amendment if they introduce it saturday morning. They should have enough votes to past the defense appropriation bill. only need 51
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Maritza
December 18, 2009 6:07 PM in reply to luvpolitics1
Exactly. They only need 50 votes not 60 tomorrow.
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Elizabeth2
December 18, 2009 6:27 PM in reply to Maritza
That was my understanding also, and that the defense bill was already over the procedural bump. But if that's so, why does Beutler say in the article:
Lieberman is in CT . ...."That means Democrats will be relying on at least one Republican to help them get the defense bill over a procedural bump in order to push them back on to health care. They're crossing their fingers." ??????
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slb
December 18, 2009 7:20 PM in reply to Maritza
Except that the article is saying (my bolding):
So they're not certain that they will need 60, but it's a possibility. Quite possibly, one of the Republicans who voted for cloture will also vote in favor of waiving the budget point of order. But that's not a given. And seeing as how Snowe and Collins both want to slow down HCR, and Hutchinson has never been on board for that, it's probably questionable.
So no, they don't need Lieberman's vote to pass the bill, but they could well need his vote to even be able to vote on it.
The Senate is one screwed up mess. They need to change all of these supermajority things to be, at the very least, a percentage of members present and voting rather than a percentage of members duly sworn, especially with as many old codgers as tend to accumulate in the Senate.
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slb
December 18, 2009 7:21 PM in reply to slb
Of course, if Byrd is also out, then they will need two Republican votes in favor of waiving the point of order.
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Elizabeth2
December 18, 2009 8:18 PM in reply to slb
Gotcha. I was reading too fast and thought he was referring to the defense bill vote against cloture, which had already happened. Thanks for clarifying.
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erica
December 18, 2009 8:37 PM in reply to slb
If they don't get 60 votes on waiving the point of order, could they do the whole bill via reconciliation?
What are other possible outcomes/opportunities provided by a giant snowstorm in DC with Lieberman out?
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jollyroger
December 18, 2009 9:42 PM in reply to erica
do the whole bill via reconciliation?
(unencumbered by the research process) I think that actually nothing done so far either excludes or would explicitely implicate reconciliation except for the instruction that went out in the original House and Senate Rules. I don't think it actually bwcomes a "litigable" issue until the house and senatge conference report is being debated in the senate, and someone moves for cloture with a claim that a 51 vote "yea" will do the job because the issue under debate is subject to the "reconciliation of house and senate differences over an item of budgetary impact".
I think.
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AJM
December 18, 2009 9:22 PM in reply to slb
The rule ought to be that you can't conduct a filibuster unless the Senators supporting it represent at least 40% of the population.
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Kittylc
December 19, 2009 12:14 AM in reply to AJM
The rule ought to be enforced properly. If Senators say that they'll filibuster, Make Them Filibuster. Make them stand all night and all day. We could take bets on how long it would take their knees to collapse. Or we could start a pool on how long it would take for Lieberman to talk until they vote for cloture. I've got dibbs on 20 minutes.
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ottis
December 18, 2009 6:11 PM
What is the big deal about home for the holidays? What about all the military personnel? I spent a Christmas season in North Africa when I was in the military and didn't think anything about it. At least these Congress people are not spilling any blood. Buck up and do your job that you are being paid very well to do and STFU.
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Maritza
December 18, 2009 6:31 PM in reply to ottis
It is their self-imposed deadline. They could have the final vote on Christman day or the day after Christmas if they need to.
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gotalife
December 18, 2009 6:16 PM
Joe the warmonger can't sacrifice his holiday to vote for funding for the troops.
That would make a good commercial.
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Msinformed
December 20, 2009 2:00 PM in reply to gotalife
But is Christmas Joe's holiday? That's wrong somewhere.
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Msinformed
December 20, 2009 2:01 PM in reply to Msinformed
Oops, troops bill, sorry.
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TaosJohn
December 18, 2009 6:21 PM
I never thought I'd be cheering Lieberman on, but I am now. Go, Joe!
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Maritza
December 18, 2009 6:51 PM
The first health care vote is not until Monday so I don't see the problem of Lieberman not being there over the weekend.
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Shoto
December 18, 2009 6:51 PM
LieberCare: The Movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vS6kIbJu64&feature=player_embedded
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Connecticut Man1
December 18, 2009 7:04 PM
They need to kick that neoconservative turd's lazy butt to the curb. Strip him of his chair and toss him to the GOP.
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lapdogs
December 18, 2009 7:11 PM
For Gods sake Lieberman! You live in Connecticut where snow is routine.
Get your ass back down to DC and do your work.
And stop complaining that you have to work on weekends.
What do you think the rest of us Middle Class people have to do?
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slb
December 18, 2009 7:23 PM in reply to lapdogs
Too late. It's past sundown, and we are into the Sabbath, and Pious Joe will not travel on the Sabbath except to walk.
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Cal Gal
December 19, 2009 6:04 PM in reply to slb
Somebody needs to slip a roofie into the Manischewitz, throw him in a copter and get him back asap. Worm.
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ojim
December 18, 2009 7:17 PM
lord help a member of Team Apartheid actually work on saturday.
is he not allowed to talk on the phone or ride in a car as well? give me a break and get your beady-eyed big-mouthed well-bribed ass back to work.
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slb
December 18, 2009 7:25 PM in reply to ojim
I'm not sure about talking on the telephone, but no, riding in a car (or a train, or a plane) on the Sabbath is not allowed. And I'm reasonably sure Senate rules would not allow the vote to be cast by telephone anyway.
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GermanyOrFlorida
December 18, 2009 7:25 PM
I'm sorry, but this is an absolutely crappy article by TPM if I have to find out in the comments that only 50 votes are needed until Monday Morning and you are making it out to be a big deal that Lieberman went back to CT. I want to read analysis not outrage.
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slb
December 18, 2009 7:28 PM in reply to GermanyOrFlorida
You didn't read carefully enough. See my comment here.
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robertgnv
December 18, 2009 7:47 PM
You want to give a 100% pass to an observant Jew not working the Sabbath (Friday Sundown to Saturday Sundown).
This weeks portion is Genesis 41:1-44:17
Joseph having been brought our prison tells Pharaoh that his dreams of cows and corn mean a coming prosperity (Clinton) and then disaster (Bush). I am sure there is something in there...
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ottis
December 18, 2009 7:51 PM
How in the hell can we have Senators that can't work on Saturdays? They get paid enough to work seven days a week, every week. What a screwed up operation!
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Cal Gal
December 19, 2009 5:59 PM in reply to ottis
Can't they just string one of those holy wires around the Senate and take it all the way to Connecticut? I think the Orthodox Jews do that to make a big place into their "house" so they can go outside on the Sabbath.
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Mutton Jeff
December 18, 2009 7:57 PM
He sure is pious when it suits him, isn't he?
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lapdogs
December 19, 2009 11:53 AM in reply to Mutton Jeff
You could bet and win that he would still be there if you replaced "Voting on Healthcare" with "Voting to Go To War With Iran"!!
That, he would have no problem, religious wise, with working through the entire weekend.
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gotalife
December 18, 2009 8:09 PM
Just saw Reid go off on the gop saying they turned their backs on the troops in wartime.
I don't think I have seen him so angry.
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akw
December 18, 2009 9:33 PM in reply to gotalife
Harry is being rather disingenious; the Democrats have been holding onto this defense spending bill for more than a month so that they could use it as an appropriations bill to attach whatever other spending projects they had through the end of the year. The Democrats are the ones who have obstructed passage of this bill, not the Republicans.
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ilovebacon
December 18, 2009 9:45 PM in reply to akw
only if GOP doesn't vote for it. then it's the GOP who are disingenuous.
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Kittylc
December 19, 2009 12:19 AM in reply to ilovebacon
Exactly so. If the defense bill was truly urgent to the Republicans and they would have voted for it but not for the Democrats holding it up, then they should all be voting for it now since it was so urgent then.
The fact that they're not shows that they are the ones using the issue for political gain. Not that the Democrats aren't, but they did it in a way that makes them look good - funding for our brave troops.
The Republicans are on the defensive. The worm turns.
Doesn't feel so good, being on the defensive about "supporting our troops", does it?
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Kittylc
December 19, 2009 12:21 AM in reply to Kittylc
I meant that last sentence to akw, and/or any Repubs out there.
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ilovebacon
December 24, 2009 12:02 PM in reply to Kittylc
I hope Democrats use their anti-troop votes in election season. It's a secret weapon.
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gotalife
December 18, 2009 9:58 PM in reply to akw
The House passed it on Wednesday and they did add some stuff.
It's how they do business but Reid made it look bad for the obstructionist gop.
Good move politically.
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readytoblowagasket
December 19, 2009 12:03 PM in reply to gotalife
Hi gotalife!
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Jeronimo Dan
December 19, 2009 2:59 PM in reply to akw
It's just been reported, Dirty Harry has just checked in at Bethesda Hospital for a donated back bone and spine to replace both those two dollars suitcase hinges he been wearing for the past sixty some years.
Let us all wish Old Dirty Harry Reid well!
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Solomon Drek
December 18, 2009 9:45 PM
"don't be surprised to hear a new Republican talking point: Even Mother Nature hates health care reform."
Maybe the same storm these wingnuts are praying for will wipe away Pat Robertson's headquarters campus and university complex near Virginia Beach.
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ilovebacon
December 18, 2009 9:47 PM in reply to Solomon Drek
Only they'll call it "God." Mother Nature is so pagan.
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jollyroger
December 18, 2009 10:04 PM in reply to ilovebacon
so pagan.
And hearing the cries of his people for "Snow, snow!", the Lord stretched out His Mighty Dick...
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benintn
December 18, 2009 11:06 PM
I hope he finds G-d this weekend.
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Ohm on the Range
December 18, 2009 11:58 PM
A Question about Senate Protocol,
Is the 3/5 required for passage of the whole 100, or is it
a pure numbers game, re if only 96 are present does the magic number
become 58?
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Bull Schmitt
December 19, 2009 1:19 AM in reply to Ohm on the Range
It's still 60. The rule is 60% of the total number of sitting Senators. I remember hearing about this while Sen. Franken was still in the recount, if (for example) John Ensign had resigned - that would have dropped the Senate to 98 seated members, and cloture would need 59 votes. At least until someone was sworn into one of the two vacant seats.
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trippin
December 19, 2009 9:39 AM
Problem? I see no problem. If Republicans vote against funding the troops, use it against them, just like they did to Kerry and others.
As for delaying this disaster they're calling health insurance reform, don't just delay: kill it dead. There's a reason health insurance stock prices have risen precipitously over the past weeks. There's a reason they're sending each other emails congratulating themselves on their win. That's because holding a gun to people's head to force them to buy what they can't afford is madness, and subsidizing the difference with no const control is even loonier than Medicare Part D.
No public option or Medicare buy-in? Then no mandate. Obama himself offered that if we could solve health insurance by requiring people to buy it, we could solve homelessness by requiring people to buy homes. But sadly for America, the corporate Clintonista sell-your-soul-to-the-highest-bidder Third Way Terry MacAuliffe brand of influence peddling has gripped our President by the short hairs, and he's proven he just doesn't have it in him to ask them to let go.
Rahm Emanuel, Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson run the nation for the ststus quo, and Hope ain't got nothin' to do with it.
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Jeronimo Dan
December 19, 2009 2:43 PM
Well, The maintenance and clean up crew in Senate stated they were glad Lieberman was going to be out of town, because they were tired of picking up chicken feathers from under his desk!
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stevelaudig
December 19, 2009 3:05 PM
Unless there is something in it for Israel Liarman/Briberman can go home.
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smallhandff
December 19, 2009 4:59 PM
Why is it that Israel has a better health care system than America, & we're underwriting their economy?
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firestarter
December 20, 2009 11:29 PM
http://healthcare.change.org/actions/view/senate_needs_to_eat_their_own_dog_foodhealth_care_package
Please sign the petition. The senate needs to eat their own dog food. The Senate, House, Whitehouse and all government employees need to eat their own dog food. The Senate should give up their comprehensive health care packages that they get to keep even when they leave office. The one that pays for their viagra and their pre-existing conditions (like spinelessness, stupidity, corruption and greed) along with their medical conditions that we all share but don't get the luxury of having covered (as the Senate does), like blood tests, hysterectomies, cancer treatments and yes even abortion (hypocritical Republicans aren't giving up those benefits).
We want real regulation of this disgustingly greedy insurance industry we have today, accountability for their corporate wastefulness at the patients and doctors expense. We suffer from "Death panels" today...everytime our treatments are rejected, our prescriptions aren't paid for and our premiums go up. Mr. Obama, Mr. Liberman, all you cowardly Democrats and obstructionist Republicans...you need to eat your own dog food. You need to give up your health care packages and be subject to the same facist Insurance Industry bailout you are making the rest us pay for.
What's good enough for the American people is good enough for you.
You need to go without insurance until this problem is solved.
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Tosh
June 6, 2010 11:20 PM
So they're not certain that they will need 60, but it's a possibility. Quite possibly, one of the Republicans who voted for cloture will also vote in favor of waiving the budget point of order. But that's not a given. And seeing as how Snowe and Collins both want to slow down HCR, and Hutchinson has never been on board for that, it's probably questionable.
So no, they don't need Lieberman's vote to pass the bill, but they could well need his vote to even be able to vote on it.
The Senate is one screwed up mess. They need to change all of these supermajority things to be, at the very least, a percentage of members present and voting rather than a percentage of members duly sworn, especially with as many old codgers as tend to accumulate in the Senate.
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