
New Senate Democratic talking points, distributed in response to last night's special election in Massachusetts show the party pre-emptively placing the blame for a lackluster agenda moving forward on Republicans, who Dems say they now need to pass legislation.
"Republicans have an obligation to the American people to join us in governing our nation through these difficult times and to help clean up the mess they left behind," reads the memo obtained by TPMDC. "It is mathematically impossible for Democrats to pass legislation on our own. Senate Republicans to come to the table (sic) with ideas for improving our nation and not obstructionist tactics."
The new message also attacks Republicans for hypocrisy--for threatening to block Democratic attempts to address the country's fiscal situations after saddling it with soaring deficits under the previous administration.
You can read the entire memo below the fold.
MASSACHUSETTS ELECTION MEANS THAT SENATE REPUBLICANS HAVE MORE RESPONSIBILITY TO GOVERN, NOT OBSTRUCT
· We welcome Scott Brown to the Senate.
· While Senator-elect Brown's victory changes the political math in the Senate, it does not change the challenges are country faces or the need to address them.
· We remain committed to strengthening our economy, creating good paying jobs and ensuring all Americans can access affordable health care.
· Senate Republicans have an obligation to the American people to join us in governing our nation through these difficult times and to help clean up the mess they left behind.
· It is mathematically impossible for Democrats to pass legislation on our own. Senate Republicans to come to the table with ideas for improving our nation and not obstructionist tactics.
· Saying "no" might be a good political strategy but it does nothing to create jobs or help improve the lives of struggling Americans.
· We understand that there is great anger, anxiety and frustration among voters as the economy continues its recovery. That is why Senate Democrats will continue to do everything that we can to strengthen our economy, put Americans back to work, reform Wall Street and address the health care crisis.
Republican Hypocrisy on Debt Limit Puts Our Economy, Seniors and Veterans at Risk
· Failing to raise the debt limit would undermine our nation's credit worthiness, badly weaken our economy and put Social Security and veterans benefits at risk.
· In 2001, America enjoyed a $236 billion budget surplus with a projected 10-year surplus of $5.6 trillion.
o Republicans squandered those surpluses by spending wildly on massive tax breaks for the wealthy and special interests, leaving President Obama with a $1.3 trillion deficit on the day he took office last year.
· Now, as the time comes to take responsibility for those mistakes, Senate Republicans want to pass the buck.
· Senate Democrats didn't create this problem - we are simply cleaning up the fiscal mess that we inherited from the last Administration in order to avoid the economic catastrophe that would be created if the United States defaulted on our debt.
· When they were in control, Senate Republicans voted seven times to raise the debt limit and refused to pay for the costs of major initiatives. Their claims of fiscal purity do not square with their record of wasteful spending and excess.
· Increasing the debt limit does not authorize a single penny of new spending - it allows the government to pay bills already incurred.
· Standing against this measure would demonstrate yet again that Senate Republicans have no real plan to solve our nation's economic challenges they helped create.
· Republicans, now more than ever, have a responsibility to work with us to move our nation forward with economic policies that continue us on the path to recovery.

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Steve LaBonne
January 20, 2010 3:11 PM
Brilliant, just brilliant. Say hello to President Palin.
These idiots couldn't sell water in the desert. And if they waste their coming time in the wilderness as completely as they did after 1994, this time the party may not live to capitulate another day.
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Fluffy-wig dude in cocked hat
January 20, 2010 4:02 PM in reply to Steve LaBonne
"couldn't sell water in the desert"
LOL -- funny to pair that with the picture up top, a pic which I thought was very fitting.
"Heya, Dick, is, is, is that Chuck Grassley up there, smilin' at us cause he wants ta be our friend?"
"Why yes it is, Harry, 'cept he seems to be laughing at us too. Wonder why?"
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Fluffy-wig dude in cocked hat
January 20, 2010 4:07 PM in reply to Fluffy-wig dude in cocked hat
"It is mathematically impossible for Democrats to pass legislation on our own."
This is worse than Joe Solmonese moving the finish line for gay rights to 2016.
Between this, and numerous Dems (Webb and no less than Obama and Frank among them) coming out to give away the store, it's hard not to conclude that the Dems really *want* to lose.
In Nov. '08, how perverse it would've been to predict the Dems would wind up in a state of virtual (soon to be actual?) meltdown in Jan. '10.
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Jesus H. Christ
January 20, 2010 10:57 PM in reply to Fluffy-wig dude in cocked hat
Brethren, be not wussies. When we are foiled, let us believe we shall overcome; when we have fallen, let us believe we shall rise again. Jacob, received a blow which made him lame, yet would not give over wrestling the angel. So when finally the bottom falls out be thou not withdrawn. The only thing ye must do is keep on keepin' on like a bird that flew.
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DeathSquad
January 21, 2010 9:26 AM in reply to Jesus H. Christ
Amen.
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Barry Champlain
January 20, 2010 4:06 PM in reply to Steve LaBonne
I have a great idea for someone who needs to be primaried.
Tweet, Facebook update, text, whatever, to everyone you can, two words:
"PRESIDENT GRAYSON"
(... discuss. Or, just do it!)
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zonk
January 20, 2010 5:38 PM in reply to Steve LaBonne
Maybe so...
But I'm reminded of an old FarSide comic strip - two haggard looking guys in the middle of a barren desert, standing at water fountain that stands in the middle of nowhere... the guy directly at the water fountain tells the fellow behind him "Wait - let's see if it gets colder".
Progressives that have been working to defeat the current iteration of the bill are at the front of the line - the guy behind him represents all the people that would have been helped by the bill that wasn't "cold enough".
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Acewrap
January 21, 2010 9:19 AM in reply to zonk
Really? Liberals want single payer, compromise down to public option. Centrists don't want it, REFUSE TO COMPROMISE AND PASS THE BILL ANYWAY, so the liberals COMPROMISE AGAIN and drop that which offends the centrists from the bill. Who is doing compromise here?
Centrism is the ideology that compromise down to a muddled pile of shit that doesn't help people but is politically easy is ALWAYS the right course. That is ideology, not fact.
The whole point of centrist ideology is to convince people that anything that ISN'T centrist is bad and just ideology, even if the centrist policy is pure crap.
The ideology of no ideology is nifty. No matter how tilted in favor of powerful interests, it can be a deft way to keep touting policy agendas as common-sense pragmatism -- virtuous enough to draw opposition only from ideologues.
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Morbo
January 20, 2010 6:00 PM in reply to Steve LaBonne
God, I hate my party. Not as much as the Republicans, but close.
Worthless corporate whores, every one of them.
We the people have to reform our electoral system so that someone other than useless rich assholes can run for national office in this country. And yes, most Democrats are useless rich assholes who don't give a fuck about anything but their own interests.
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Morbo
January 20, 2010 8:01 PM in reply to Morbo
The only thing good about the coming drubbing in Nov is that the "Moderate" assholes like Bayh that gutted HCR will be the first drummed out of office. Fucking prick deserves it.
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MikeE
January 20, 2010 8:37 PM in reply to Morbo
From your enormous green noggin to God's Ear...
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AhTrini1
January 20, 2010 10:00 PM in reply to Steve LaBonne
A poster once said the Democrats should change their mascot from a donkey to a back-brace. No truer words have ever been written. As of today, the DNC doesn't get another penny from me. I am not supporting a bunch of amoebas.
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Dorn76
January 20, 2010 3:12 PM
It's "mathematically impossible" for them to pass legislation on their own??!!
Math didn't keep Bush and the GOP from ramming everything under the sun.
Spineless bunch of weasels have ceded their power to a parliamentary rule.
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CT Voter
January 20, 2010 3:22 PM in reply to Dorn76
In a way, the Brown victory gives them the opportunity to weasel out of leadership.
Stunning.
I'm having a hard time with this.
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Dorn76
January 20, 2010 3:27 PM in reply to CT Voter
Me too.
Bob Menendez' DSCC just sent me an email, saying he won't "sugarcoat" it, but then blamed the GOP for their obstruction....
I replied with liberal use of ALL CAPS, some profanity, and a bunch of exclamation points.
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FDRdog
January 20, 2010 5:02 PM in reply to CT Voter
When did they weasel in, CT? I hadn't noticed.
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Barry Champlain
January 20, 2010 5:45 PM in reply to Dorn76
If you want to see Conventional Wisdom on steroids, may I present today's Chris Matthews Alert!
To Howard Dean, on why Brown won and Coakley didn't:
"But... he RODE AROUND IN A TRUCK!!"
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debmou
January 21, 2010 3:47 AM in reply to Barry Champlain
Who's behind all of these pitiful bills anyhow? Was it Obama, or Pelosi & Reid?
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Michael A
January 20, 2010 3:12 PM
And . . .
Wow, just Wow.
We are sooooooooo screwed as a country. The Federal Government is becoming like California, completely ungovernable.
Time for a Constitutional Convention. Let's throw this whole monstrosity overboard and get a lean and mean government designed for the 21st Century. This is a complete and utter joke. Massive majorities in both houses and the dems have accomplished squat. The economy is completely tanking and they are fiddling while the country goes down the tubes.
Let's join the teabaggers and start a call for a Constitutional Convention to take our country back.
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CT Voter
January 20, 2010 3:13 PM
I'm getting angrier and angrier as the day goes on.
· It is mathematically impossible for Democrats to pass legislation on our own.
Translation: we are impotent. We were impotent. We'll be impotent tomorrow. And, btw, Republicans own us. And the president, too.
IT TOOK THEM AN ENTIRE F****** YEAR TO FIGURE OUT TO BLAME REPUBLICANS?
Talk about political malpractice.
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mans_best_friend
January 20, 2010 3:29 PM in reply to CT Voter
They can't pass anything. The Republicans now have a 41-59 majority (thanks to the Village Voice).
If these bozos think for one second that letting the entire health care reform effort go down the tubes is going to help them, they will deserve what they get next November, which will be a thorough ass-kicking at the polls. Large majorities in both houses and they couldn't get their act together enough to pass this bill. There's only one thing the American people hate more than malfeasance - impotence.
And amazingly, it's still not too late. Stop whining and pass the damn Senate bill, followed by passing whatever modifications that are necessary through reconciliation. Then pass a jobs bill - dare the Republicans to vote against it.
A big part of this is that the D's don't have a freakin' clue as to how to control the narrative in the media. The R's hand their asses to them time after time. How hard should it be to convince people that the health care system needs to be reformed? Hell, people were ALREADY convinced of it, and they managed to screw that up.
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ohyeathatsright
January 20, 2010 5:39 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
"There's only one thing the American people hate more than malfeasance - impotence."
Simply put, they'd rather be screwed.
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Moose49
January 20, 2010 4:03 PM in reply to CT Voter
Absolutely fucking pathetic. I wonder how the Repugnuts managed to get most of Bush's agenda through from 2002 to 2006 with much smaller majorities?
I the Repugnuts are abusing the filibuster process, then change the rules. There's nothing in the constitution that you need 60 votes to get anything done in the Senate.
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Mr. Conspiracy
January 20, 2010 4:37 PM in reply to CT Voter
No, it took the entire year to get back to the state of impotence Harry Reid most enjoys. He can't win, he can only whine.
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dem4life
January 21, 2010 1:06 PM in reply to CT Voter
I agree. 1 fuckin......year.
No matter if you agree with Ed Schultz policies or not....He has been saying Uck the republipigs for 1 year...maybe longer but he has amplified it night after night and now what.
They got screwed bh the same pigs that left us this mess to handle.
If one really thinks president Obama could have stop the job shead on 1/20/2008 they are very FOX NEWS OUT.
IT INSANE.
ONCE THE SHEDDING STARTED IT HAD TO GRADUALLY SLOW DOWN.....AND BY THE WAY, IT HAS
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Weeferdog
January 20, 2010 3:19 PM
This party is utterly beyond hope. They deserve to get slaughtered. The problem is that we, the cities, don't deserve the result of that slaughter.
'Mathematically impossible.' I can't even formulate a response to that.
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mcc
January 20, 2010 3:21 PM
Not helpful. Nobody wants to hear about what the meanie Republicans are doing wrong. They want to hear what you're going to do right. If all you're doing is a lot of nothing, then who cares if the Republicans are obstructing it?
The Democrats need to get a strategy for what they do next decided on, they need to get it in front of the public, and they need to do this quick.
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Progressive Party
January 20, 2010 3:23 PM
That's leadership we can believe in! "yes, we couldn't!"
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flounder
January 20, 2010 3:24 PM
Has anyone told the Constitution or Joe Biden that it is mathematically impossible? From what I read the number is 50 plus the vice president.
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hewhohasnoname
January 20, 2010 5:00 PM in reply to flounder
Apparently, you must not realize that the Constitution is no longer relevant in America. We are governed by whatever the Republicans deem appropriate.
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pinson
January 20, 2010 3:24 PM
Hey, I know, how about they pass a punitive and mean-spirited bankruptcy bill to screw consumers and reward Larry Summers and his pals on Wall Street. Oh wait, Joe Biden already took care of that.
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CT Voter
January 20, 2010 3:25 PM
This is actually hilarious, in a sick, disgusting sort of way. I mean it.
This was said after this:
Did someone proofread this?
And I predict that this is going to have a much staying power as the mythical "malaise speech", "Al Gore claims he invented the Internet" and "I can see Russia from my house".
What a total fuck-up.
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Matt Jones
January 20, 2010 4:02 PM in reply to CT Voter
The "mathematically impossible" line is somewhat hyperbolic, but ultimately true - nothing can pass if it's going to require 60 just to bring a bill to the floor.
But that doesn't mean it's not worth trying - I want to see nasty little pukes like my state's contribution (Voinovich) standing up 24-7 reading the phonebook to stop the process. No holidays, no recesses, no vacations, and certainly no breaks to go campaigning.
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Boidster
January 20, 2010 6:17 PM in reply to Matt Jones
...if it's going to require 60 just to bring a bill to the floor
Well, that's the key isn't it? The Republicans played procedural hardball with much smaller majorities, and they got some unbelievably bad shit passed. It's time (way past time, IMO) for Reid to throw every procedural technicality available at the obstructionists to remove them from the process as much as possible. Pass anything that they can through reconciliation. What they can't pass that way, structure the debate rules to be as painful as possible for the GOP. Try to change the filibuster rule. Do whatever is technically allowed, even if the optics aren't so great.
Of course this would require putting principles ahead of political survivability, and precious few Congresscritters are willing to do that. Too bad they can't see that if good policies are "rammed" through, there may be a net political benefit over time even if the GOP does say mean things about us in the interim.
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ottis
January 20, 2010 3:25 PM
It looks like J Stewart really nailed them with his skit. So true, simply pathetic.
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bencalcat
January 20, 2010 3:27 PM
I'll be 60 this year and I never thought I'd live to say this. I cheered when he dropped out of politics, but I wish Lyndon Johnson was president right now. The right heads would have been knocked, health care would have passed months ago, jobs and the economy would be front and center, and the Dems never would have lost Massachusetts.
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Kristin126
January 20, 2010 3:48 PM in reply to bencalcat
I'm too young to remember him, but from my understanding of history I absolutely agree with you--LBJ would have gotten it all done.
God, if this group of useless pansies had been in charge in the 60's, we still wouldn't have Medicare.
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mans_best_friend
January 20, 2010 4:05 PM in reply to Kristin126
Keep in mind that LBJ had about 2-1 majorities in both houses of congress. He had the luxury of telling pricks like Liebermann to fuck off.
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zonk
January 20, 2010 5:41 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
There you go again...
Rudely bringing facts into what everyone would clearly prefer be conducted via fanciful mythologizing.
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clearthinker
January 20, 2010 9:43 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
He didn't have that in the Senate in the 1950s.
He knew how to cut deals. Most people today would wince at what he did, but he got results.
So...that's the Faustian bargain.
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anna am
January 20, 2010 11:02 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
Unh...and he hung in on Vietnam like a blasted tone-deaf fool and wouldn't give it up. And then he got hung like a dog by his own party for it.
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dinglebe
January 20, 2010 4:50 PM in reply to Kristin126
If they had been in charge in the '40s, we would all be speaking German.
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cjop
January 20, 2010 10:52 PM in reply to Kristin126
Even Bush II would have gotten it done. Spineless bastards.
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EastWest
January 20, 2010 4:16 PM in reply to bencalcat
Sorry, folks - seriously - but it needs to be said: We need LBJ. It's sounding like we've got Jimmy Carter.
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Jackster
January 20, 2010 5:47 PM in reply to bencalcat
Progressive pol's, No more Mr. Nice Guy
I want a fighter not a negotiator.
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ottis
January 20, 2010 3:33 PM
I am out of here. Can't take any more.
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EastWest
January 20, 2010 3:35 PM
"Mathematically fucking impossible?"
These assholes have an 18-vote majority!
God, what a bunch of useless bastards.
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CT Voter
January 20, 2010 3:36 PM in reply to EastWest
The DSCC will be calling you soon, asking for money to expand their majorities. I can't WAIT for my call.
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EastWest
January 20, 2010 3:40 PM in reply to CT Voter
It'll be too late. I told them to piss off some time ago. Something to do with wanting them to grow a set, stop whining about Republicans and start cleaning up their own house. I guess they weren't listening.
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ohyeathatsright
January 20, 2010 5:46 PM in reply to CT Voter
I've been thinking this all day.
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anna am
January 20, 2010 11:07 PM in reply to EastWest
They need 60 votes for cloture. I think that's what they meant.
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Rick
January 20, 2010 3:43 PM
Of course, Bush managed to get legislation that he wanted with far fewer than 60 Republican Senators. But...even Reagan managed to get legislation he wanted passed through a Congress that had majorities of Democrats in both branches of Congress!
I'm just not buying it. The Democrats could have had health care reform legislation done last summer if they'd really wanted to. All they've been doing since Obama's inauguration is look for excuses.
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zonk
January 20, 2010 5:49 PM in reply to Rick
Yeah...
Expanding Medicare was clearly something conservatives had long clamored for.
Nationalized education standards - yet another long-time GOP plank.
Reagan?
Yup - he's lionized today for signing the biggest immigration amnesty program in modern times... not to mention, the biggest elimination of tax havens (the '86 reform bill) and the biggest tax increase on Social Security benefits ever.
Can we set aside the mythology for a moment and deal in reality?
I would agree that, compared to the GOP in the 90s and aughts, and comparing Obama to Reagan/Bush -- the Democrats seem feckless... but I would want to stipulate that the GOP and Reagan/Bush also have the luxury of a base that shows a hell of lot more patience and accept 'the best we can do' (whether it is or not).
I find it nonsensical that so many people are now demanding that congress ram through a bill that just a few months ago, they petitioning to have killed.
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cube3u
January 20, 2010 6:14 PM in reply to zonk
And most of these problems are because we have pathetic Democrats in Congress, particularly the Senate, who have to have their own slice of the pie--like Nelson's little bid for Nebraska. And even after spreading this bribery crap all over the place, they still can't find the intestinal fortitude to maybe, just maybe, tick off their colleagues.
I'm tired of the whole mess. I've spent since after the 2004 election taking up Democratic dominance in Congress as a cause. And this is the result? A pack of whine-masters in charge of my country?
My vote, influence, money and time is not guaranteed. Pass healthcare NOW and I'll stay. If not, I'm gone. I'll try again when things get even worse than they were in the Bush years. I suppose we'll see exactly how many wars we can fight simultaneously. And we'll just have to see that we leave the world in a far worse condition for my grandchildren.
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zonk
January 20, 2010 7:41 PM in reply to cube3u
Nelson has long been a 50% Dem voter, so it's beyond me why anyone is surprised as his stance.
As for the 'bribery' - the enhanced Louisiana Medicaid funding frankly should have been in the bill whether Landrieu demanded it as a concession or not. The LA gulf coast is critically short on public health facilities -- hospitals and clinics that accept medicaid/medicare -- since Katrina and the much needed charity care subsidy cuts which are key to keeping Medicare solvent likely would have closed the few Louisiana public hospitals left.
Nelson - I'm not particularly happy about, but neither am I surprised over... Landrieu, on the other hand, did precisely what Louisiana voters should have demanded she do.
The dirty little secret that so many progressive with their starry-eyed "single payer! single payer!" cries either won't or just don't admit is that a single payer plan is much, much, much easier to enact in a smaller nation like the UK or France than here in the US.
The income, availability, COLA, et al disparities are simply one hell of a lot bigger between say... San Francisco and Des Moines... or New York and Peoria... or Miami and Pahrump, Nevada than anything one would find in Germany, France, the UK, Japan -- or frankly -- even a larger nation like Canada.
Even Medicare - which is a great, great program - cannot get it right.
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cjop
January 20, 2010 10:58 PM in reply to zonk
Where do you see "demanding to ram thru a bill." I see the spineless Democrats and some of the bullshit pundits talking like this. Most of the people here are saying do Medicare for all and do it thru reconciliation. I, nor most progressives, want that fucking HCR joke rammed thru.
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EastWest
January 20, 2010 3:44 PM
You know what's going to be really funny, in a slit-your-wrists-and-kill-your-dog sorta way? Next time the Repugs have a 1-vote majority in the Senate they're going to do away with the current filibuster rule. Sixty votes? What sixty votes?
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CT Voter
January 20, 2010 3:52 PM in reply to EastWest
And Democrats will be SHOCKED, SHOCKED, that Republicans are running roughshoc over them.
I'm still stuck on this: It is mathematically impossible for Democrats to pass legislation on our own.
Actually, a truer statement would be this: It is impossible for Democrats to pass legislation.
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chimpale
January 20, 2010 3:49 PM
Please, Republicans, we need you to help us pass the legislation that you've been blocking for the past year.
I would also like to ask all of the rapists out there, convicted or otherwise, to please step forward and offer your services as parking ramp escorts.
If any serial killers are looking for steady employment, there's a shortage of nurses and other caregivers. We really need your help.
Attention Democratic Party: Shut the fuck up.
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georgecs
January 20, 2010 3:49 PM
Pathetic. I give up. Would the last sane person to leave this country please remember to turn out the lights when you go?
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Ironcomments
January 20, 2010 3:51 PM
Howard Dean is sorely missed.
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chimpale
January 20, 2010 3:53 PM
The task of getting health care reform passed was entrusted to the Democratic Party. Control of the Democratic Party has been entrusted to blithering idiots. Yeah, we're screwed.
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ETSpoon
January 20, 2010 3:54 PM
Hey, Senate Democartic leadership, you can kiss Mitch McConnell's ass all you want but he's got you right were he wants you.
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erica
January 20, 2010 7:35 PM in reply to ETSpoon
If that's the case, it would be both mathematically and physically impossible to kiss Mr. McConnell's ass.
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CarltonVanNostrand
January 20, 2010 3:55 PM
Yes, it is mathematically impossible to pass legislation with a 58-seat majority. Give me a fucking break.
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CarltonVanNostrand
January 20, 2010 3:55 PM
59-seat majority.
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mans_best_friend
January 20, 2010 4:37 PM in reply to CarltonVanNostrand
The funny thing is that getting the 60th vote actually seemed to paralyze them. They got more done when it was 58-41 at the beginning of 2009. It seems like they now spent so much time and energy sucking up to Lieberman, Nelson, etc. that they wound up doing nothing. Have they passed anything of significance since Franken was seated? I can't think of anything.
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Ironcomments
January 20, 2010 4:00 PM
Reading the talking points, is the perfect exhibit of why the Democrats are failing miserably. They are too busy thinking of excuses of why nothing was done and not busy enough thinking about how to get things done. Bi-partisanship is a myth that only exists when Republicans are out of power but yet like moths to a flame, Democrats believe that it can be achieved and ultimately get burned for it. Hence the pendulum of power switches back to the fear mongering, liars and thus we sit in another 30 years of conservative hegemony until they bring the nation once again to the brink of financial destruction.
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EastWest
January 20, 2010 4:06 PM in reply to Ironcomments
Oh, I'm pretty sure the Republicans have learned from past mistakes. This time they'll take us well past the mere brink. After all, there's opportunity in adversity. What better time for all the little people to pull themselves up by their boot straps and achieve the American Dream? Or not. I mean, if they fail and sink ever deeper into debt and misery it's their own fault, right?
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agio
January 20, 2010 5:51 PM in reply to Ironcomments
Not many "brinks" left in this old country of ours, I fear. Only so many trillions we can borrow from the Chinese.
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JohnMcCSF
January 20, 2010 4:19 PM
Senate Surrender Monkeys
Time for a little forensics
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Silence
January 20, 2010 4:29 PM in reply to JohnMcCSF
Hey. You folks are always hollering that you want to be more like Europe. Well, vive la France!!! Take your little white flag and start waving.
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Silence
January 20, 2010 4:23 PM
The Dems are no different than the Repubs. They're all whores in a special interest brothel called DC.
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bluebell
January 20, 2010 5:56 PM in reply to Silence
Not really. Republicans are smarter. The smart criminals rule the world by locking up the dumb ones.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
January 20, 2010 4:29 PM
You know, guys, there are times when you should write something, get it off your chest and then delete it. Delete it, don't publish it to the whole goddamned world.
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Schmed
January 20, 2010 4:43 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Are you addressing the Demowimps, TPM, or this peanut gallery?
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
January 20, 2010 7:26 PM in reply to Schmed
Holy crap! What happened to your avatar? I almost peed my pants like a Democrat after a setback!
But, while it applies to all of the above, me not least among them, I really meant the fools who emo'd this panicky load of crap out to the delight of our enemies.
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AlphaLiberal
January 20, 2010 4:35 PM
"It is mathematically impossible for Democrats to pass legislation on our own."
Bull. shit. Lying wimps. Somehow the Repubs can do more with fewer Senators than the Dems can? The reason why is one party has stones, one doesn't.
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Kristin126
January 20, 2010 4:39 PM
Shorter Dem talking points:
The Republicans are in charge, even though they voters indicated they did not want them to be.
When the country votes Republicans into office, Republicans are in charge.
When the country votes Democrats into office, Republicans are still in charge.
Got it.
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Buckeye Terrorist Fist Jab Nation
January 20, 2010 4:47 PM
Absolutely pathetic.
and they wonder aloud how they blew Massachusetts.
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Schmed
January 20, 2010 4:47 PM
Is there still any question the these quivering quislings have been bought, neutered and become sox puppets for the corporate class?
Where the hell is Teddy Roosevelt when you really need him?
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artwrite
January 20, 2010 5:08 PM
Democrats from the President on down, stand on the left and fight. Run to the right and you are doomed. We didn't vote for you so that you could become Republicans. This is not a stuggle for your political survival, it is a fight for what's right for the people of this country. Fight, damn it, fight. Or we real Democrats will turn you out.
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zonk
January 20, 2010 6:01 PM in reply to artwrite
Yeah!
The same way real Republicans turned on Bush after he expanded Medicare and nationalized education standards. The same way Reagan is hated by the modern GOP for passing a massive immigration amnesty program and signing the largest Social Security benefit tax hike in history.
Oh... wait...
There are lessons everywhere to be learned - but the congressional Democrats and President Obama aren't the only ones that should be in class.
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dinglebe
January 20, 2010 5:13 PM
I believe that I just heard Harry Reid say, "Massachusetts doesn't really change anything. If we had 100 votes, it wouldn't be enough."
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condew
January 20, 2010 5:59 PM in reply to dinglebe
Exactly.
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3star2nr
January 20, 2010 5:33 PM
wow these guys are epic fucking FAIL
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sean
January 20, 2010 5:37 PM
Stopping By The Hood on a Revolutionary Evening
Whose people these are I think I know.
Their money is in the system though;
They will not see me cashing out
To watch their freedoms blown up like snow.
My little people must think it queer
To cash out with no vision near
Between the rock and frozen place
The blackest Tuesday of the year.
He gives his cable clowns a shake
To engender more off point debate.
The only other sound's the peep
Of easy wind for drowsey sheep.
The President's lovely, dark and deep.
And he had promises to keep,
And miles to go in dream-filled sleep,
And miles to go in dream-filled sleep.
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Mateo123
January 20, 2010 5:40 PM
When will Reid get it? The filibuster has been abused. It's time for it to go.
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condew
January 20, 2010 6:05 PM in reply to Mateo123
Under Bush, the Republicans thought Dems were blocking too many judicial appointments, and the mere threat of ending the filibuster got the Dems to toe the line.
Reid will not even threaten to end the filibuster, he's declared defeat in advance of even trying. Pathetic.
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ohyeathatsright
January 20, 2010 5:41 PM
Democrats can't vote themselves out of a paper bag. So embarrassing.
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Lucieann
January 20, 2010 5:46 PM
WOW!! So Reid and company are going to let Scott Brown's clarion call that he will be the 41st vote to "Kill the health reform Bill" become a reality!!!! How typical of them!!! These mealy-mouthed ninnies, these weak-kneed S.O.B.s We wanted Progressive change, and all we got was more of the same......
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/20/evan-bayh-calls-for-a-ret_n_429699.html
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agio
January 20, 2010 5:48 PM
You keep using that word mathematically... I do not think it means what you think it means.
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USgreentech
January 20, 2010 5:51 PM
They are not screwed at all. We are all going to enjoy screwdrivers!
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bluebell
January 20, 2010 5:52 PM
Bluebell would like to take this opportunity to congratulate herself for preemptively turning in green in anticpation of this fiasco. We have a two party system: Lunatics and Nincompoops. Time for a new party!
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barbara63
January 20, 2010 5:52 PM
Who's for term limits? There doesn't seem to be any other way to pry these do-nothing windbags out of their seats.
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lousgirl84
January 20, 2010 5:54 PM
Just yesterday there was a revealing interview on NPR where several White House "sources" were anonymously quoted as saying that a war has been going on and escalating in the white house over exactly what we have been chewing on....and they were saying in no uncertain terms that this year Obama was going to be taking the gloves off, not listening to Rahm, Giethner and Summers and getting back to his vision. Obama is really really really pissed off and now after after this Massachusetts nonsense, he is beside himself, livid and showing an angry side around the white house that no one has seen. So, after being given an impossible set of problems his first year, now he has to dig himself out of a hole his advisors put him in...my sense is that he is learning some hard lessons and will emerge from all this with a new set of balls which will turn him into a potentially even greater figure than he already is
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rstephen
January 20, 2010 6:07 PM in reply to lousgirl84
Don't bet on it.
Or rather ... how much are you willing to bet?
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agio
January 20, 2010 6:30 PM in reply to lousgirl84
I'll believe it when I see Rahm standing on Pennsylvania Ave. holding a sign that reads, "Will punch hippies for food."
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ignoreland
January 20, 2010 7:14 PM in reply to lousgirl84
I'll believe it when Rahm is out on his ass, Summers and Geithner are back on Wall Street writing their memoirs, and Obama stands up and publicly says, "Folks, if you want change, you've got to tell the Republicans to stop obstructing change."
I'll be on the skeet range shooting pigs while speed skating with Satan.
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erica
January 20, 2010 7:42 PM in reply to lousgirl84
Louisgirl, God bless you. Now that is change I can believe in. Please post it as a cafe/dc politics blog and suggest that people rec it if they think a) it's what is really happening in the Admin or b) if they think it's what SHOULD be happening in the Admin. (Those who think it shouldn't be happening may refrain from voting.)
See how many recs you get!!!
Brilliant!
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tmccarthy0
January 20, 2010 5:59 PM
UNBELIEVEABLE, wow, no shit, so the republicans play to win, they play hardball always, they can pass every piece of legislation they want and they did it with 50 +1 and then 51 votes, but democrats yikes where are they, they are in the doctors office because their balls are glued to their legs, I mean come on, 58 votes, they have 58 votes. I can't tell you how angry that BS makes me, how embarrassing for them.
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bluebell
January 20, 2010 6:02 PM
It's one thing to lose an election. It's another to make total fools of themselves. I mean why don't they just get the Democratic majority together and they can all agree to give themselves a vote of No Confidence and turn the Congress over to the Republicans.
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Hillbilly Savant
January 20, 2010 6:04 PM
What an epic failure of leadership and courage. I'm as pessimistic about the future as I've ever been today. Even if you hoped for a better outcome, I can't believe this is the best response the Democrats can summon to yesterday's election.
To paraphrase Dennis Green, we are who they thought we were.
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Corpiscator
January 20, 2010 6:05 PM
Dividing by zero is a mathematical impossibility.
A fifty-nine (fifty-eight minus Joe "the weasel" Lieberman) is a damn good mathematical probability. For Godsakes what am I missing here?
Reid has to know that the GOP will refuse to cooperate now more than ever. So what gives? Making them look like bigger assholes has not helped thus far. What's the strategy here.
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tmccarthy0
January 20, 2010 6:51 PM in reply to Corpiscator
It is republican math, I broke it down earlier today, but here it goes:
Superminority Equation:
41/100(i) = superminority
while 58/100(i) = majority, but nothing super
Where as (i) superminority gives one a multiplying factor of 60 and where (i) majority is a negative factor, thereby relegating the majority to an ineffectual minority.
The superminority equation becomes null and void once republicans have attained 50 senate votes again, then (i) superminority is offset by (i)nuclear option, which always overrides everything, relegating the republicans once again to a majority status no matter what the actual numbers tell us.
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SteinL
January 20, 2010 6:10 PM
I'm laughing hard now, with a tinge of sadness.
Been a liberal all my life, and for what? A bunch of whingeing chickens we managed to get elected.
Let's just face it - Obama had a life-long ambition to become president, and absolute no clue what to do when he gained office. He got played - as they said in the news: he didn't change Washington, Washington changed him.
Forget about "the return of Obama the Campaigner." He's done. People will boo his appearances. They'll have to begin screening audiences - Bush-style.
My response?
When I get the e-mail asking for money, I'll tell them to go screw themselves.
When I get the phone call asking for money, the same.
When I'm asked to work phone banks, canvas, register voters. Why? What's the point.
I do believe I'll enjoy seeing them go down in flames this November, they deserve it. They took over from Bush/Cheney and didn't have a clue what they were going to do. That's actually worse.
Mr. Obama wasted the most solid political capital any president ever had going into the Oval Office. Switch off the teleprompter.
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agio
January 20, 2010 6:31 PM in reply to SteinL
I'm sure every uninsured American will appreciate your schadenfreude.
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ignoreland
January 20, 2010 7:07 PM in reply to SteinL
Caution: concern troll alert.
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rstephen
January 20, 2010 6:41 PM
If the Democratic message is: "We can't do anything without the help of Republicans."
And the Republican message is: "We're not going to do anything to help the Democrats."
The only logical conclusion for voters is that nothing is ever going to get done until the Republicans take back the government.
Democrats are effectively telling voters they made a mistake. That they are too weak, leaderless, and disorganized to govern, even with the presidency and substantial majorities in both houses in Congress.
Sure, Republicans are able to push through legislation and run roughshod over Democrats. They can use reconciliation to bust the filibuster. But Democrats don't operate that way. We are the party of Koom by ya:
Altogether now,
Someone's laughing, Lord (probably Dick Cheney), kum bay ya;
Someone's laughing, Lord (or maybe Karl Rove), kum bay ya;
Someone's laughing, Lord (Wall Street for sure), kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.
Hear me crying, Lord (cause I'll never get health care now), kum bay ya;
Hear me crying (and we're still getting kicked out of our houses), Lord, kum bay ya;
Hear me crying, Lord (and now we have another endless war in Afghanistan to fight), kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.
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tmccarthy0
January 20, 2010 6:46 PM
Okay on second thought, with democrats like this, we most certainly are screwed!
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des
January 20, 2010 6:59 PM
A few points to remember:
1. FDR, LBJ and St. Ronnie all faced oppositions that believed in government; the present administration: not so much. Republicans supported FDR and LBJ, Democrats St. Ronnie; present-day Republicans, however, only believe in providing for their retirements by the skillful use of pork while in office. They have absolutely NO reason to work with any member of Obama's administration. I have no idea why any Democratic member of Congress hasn't realized this before now, but unless they wish next November to become a massive repeat of yesterday, they had best be very quick studies.
2. Pass the Senate HCIR as is. Then, via reconciliation this summer, strip it of any Phrma-related perks, increase reimbursal, and subsidy rates; basically anything that is remotely budget-related. We have the votes for that. No need to wait too long for the next "step".
3. Pass a second stimulus designed solely to provide immediate employment; any state is more than welcome to refuse the funds, it simply allows more for the remainder. The lower the unemployment rate, the better the chances for the Democrats in November. This can also go via reconciliation. If need be, repeal Bush's tax cuts for the rich as part of the deal.
4. Re-instate Glass-Steagal. If necessary, by inserting it into the bill regulating financial firms.
5. Ensure that DADT is an integral part of the next Defense Authorization since it directly affects the military readiness of this country. Let Republicans explain voting against "supporting the troops". They MIGHT get away with it, I doubt it. And it will burnish the badly-tarnished image of the administration among LGBT supporters.
And finally: apparently President Obama is finally getting angry over what has been going on. Good. It's appropriate that Congress take the lead in such matters, but that doesn't mean a "hands off" policy should be followed. Perhaps his mistake has been in expecting members of Congress to act as adults? (minimal snark).
Sorry about the length.
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FluffyXP
January 20, 2010 7:40 PM in reply to des
Yeah...what des said.
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Ankhorite
January 20, 2010 8:08 PM
I appreciate that Obama has a philosophical respect for the notion of three independent branches of government, and has been hanging back to make room for Congress to stand up and fulfill its Constitutional role.
But this year-long experiment has proven that the Dems in Congress (yes, Mr. Reid, I'm talking about you) can't. Can't anything. Can't form a good-faith bipartisan summer committee to work things out, can't respond to phony "teabagger" rallies, can't bargain from strength, can't count to 51.
So... time to put philosophy on hold and put your shoulder to the wheel, Mr. President, and march through a decent, albeit small, health care reform.
No discrimination against pre-existing conditions, no being allowed to charge people triple if they DO have a pre-existing condition, no discrimination against people with obesity or high blood pressure (The "Safeway Amendment"). Extend Medicare down to age 42 (the bright line used in the Age Discrimination Act) and fix Medicare's lousy drug coverage. NO mandate. NO subsidies for insurance companies, even if they're disguised as subsidies for citizens being forced to buy private insurance.
That's not much to ask, just some steps away from discrimination and towards universal coverage. Also, dumping the mandate takes away the corporate welfare for insurance companies which they CERTAINLY do not need.
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lapdogs
January 20, 2010 8:14 PM
Let me get this straight Harry.
Bush had 50 Republican Senators to work with - and he RAMMED whatever he damn well pleased through the Senate, with Cheney making the decisive vote.
Yet you have 59 Democratic Senators and you tell us "were screwed"!!
What's wrong with this picture?
When are you (and many other longtime Democratic Senators) going to "pull a Chris Dodd" and give a new Democratic candidate, who will have a better idea of getting things done, a chance to take your place in The Senate?
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kJCUWzUl
January 20, 2010 8:44 PM
congress is dysfunctional. Obama is going to end up playing around with our military and running out the clock on his Presidency. It is all he can do. Congress will be unable to pass any legislation of significance.
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Wei
January 20, 2010 9:20 PM
Have you guys noticed that a hardcore conservative Republican seems to be more likely doing very well on the big stage, while a hardcore progressive Democrat is even less likely to be elected.
How strange.
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Jezreel
January 20, 2010 9:50 PM
This is just ridiculous. Republicans NEVER numbered more than 55 members in the Senate under Dubya. Yet, they passed every piece of legislation they wanted with almost no opposition.
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tommyo
January 20, 2010 10:41 PM
The Senate Democrats worship the fillibuster above all other things. This is the root of the current mess. This worshipping of a simple parlimentary rule is either an excuse for their weakness, timidity and failure to lead or an example of their inate inability to exert the power that the electorate has given them.
Either way it's a disgrace.
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traunch
January 20, 2010 11:04 PM
Who the F*** wrote and/or allowed for this message?
"It is mathematically impossible for Democrats to pass legislation on our own."
Abdication is unacceptable. Call your senators, register your disgust, and ask them if they believe this horsesh#t. Schumer's line was busy and Gillibrand's assistant said she hadn't seen it but was committed to getting the democratic legislative agenda passed.
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pmb50
January 20, 2010 11:43 PM
Yawn, the republicans must be cowering in their boots. Dont the democrats know scare tatics only work on them
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pmb50
January 20, 2010 11:49 PM
You never get a second chance to make a first impression. The democrats should have been screaming this all along. It’s too late now the republicans already defined the democrats on these issues. It’s the republican’s narratives that get talked on the cable shows. This memo will never see the light of day because democrats are not brave enough to spew these talking points
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pmb50
January 20, 2010 11:52 PM
you have still have a 18 seat majority. thats great math
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pmb50
January 20, 2010 11:56 PM
Its only bad math for weakling shit heads who always bite the republicans bait. Here's a strategy for democrats. Ask yourself what would the republicans would do
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Silence
January 21, 2010 9:43 AM
I've been saying all along that both parties are 1/2 of the same beast, just packaged a little differently. It's an old business trick. If the damage occurs to your company name and reputation, you open up another company. Same product, same people, same building, same CEO. The only thing that changes is the label and a phone number.
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True Believing Half-witted Democratic
January 21, 2010 2:18 PM
I blame Nader.
I also once again vow to expect nothing of merit from the Democrats, to bitch and moan when they deliver it in abundance, and then to vote for them in each election cycle, loudly and ignorantly berating anyone less stupid and foolish than I am.
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True Believing Half-witted Democratic
January 21, 2010 2:28 PM
I also believe that the Democrats keep losing because the majority of Americans are stupid and right-wing, not really really smart like me.
It is regrettable, but I fear that Obama who, let us not forget has ended both wars, established Medicare for all, closed Guantanomo, restored civil liberties and taken Wall Street to the woodshed -- is just too progressive for America.
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True Believing Half-witted Democratic
January 21, 2010 2:33 PM
I'm sure every uninsured American will appreciate your schadenfreude.
Ahh, I see, a kindred spirit. Another true-believing half-witted Democrat courageously ignoring the facts of what Obama just did to/for the uninsured and also the insured.
I trust you blame Nader also.
Welcome soul mate.
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Tosh
June 6, 2010 6:55 AM
Please, Republicans, we need you to help us pass the legislation that you've been blocking for the past year.
I would also like to ask all of the rapists out there, convicted or otherwise, to please step forward and offer your services as parking ramp escorts.
If any serial killers are looking for steady employment, there's a shortage of nurses and other caregivers. We really need your help.
Attention Democratic Party: Shut the fuck up.
m65 kamagra
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