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Democrats on the Hill wondering where the White House stands on how to power through a health care bill believe they got a few hints from President Obama's town hall speech Friday when he detailed elements of the plans he likes best.

It was the clearest indication from the president since Democrats lost their 60-seat U.S. Senate supermajority when Republican Scott Brown won his race in Massachusetts. Some Democrats feared Obama would pivot away from health care entirely but the White House suggested that was just a cooling off period following the election.

Administration officials spent much of the weekend attempting to reassure Democrats that Obama won't walk away from health care, but there was little movement in a clear way to get a final bill through both the House and Senate.

Sources told TPMDC they believe the president was giving them some direction with his remarks in Ohio.

White House officials are keeping the cards close to the vest, but here are the provisions Obama highlighted as "actually very simple" and included in both bills:

* Forbidding insurance companies from imposing a "lifetime cap where if you really get sick and suddenly there's some fine print in there that says you're not completely covered."

* Capping out-of-pocket expenses.

* If you've got a preexisting condition, you can actually still get health insurance.

* Young adults up to age 27 can still remain on their parent's insurance "until they've got a more stable job."

Obama said some ask why not just pass those reforms "and forget everything else," but said those provisions only work if everyone has access to coverage.

He touted the creation of a pool of small business owners and self-employed people that would be known as an "exchange" to allow for better insurance rates, he said.

He also said that a streamlined health care system that relied more heavily on sharing of tests and digital medical records would lower costs overall.

"This is our best chance to do it," Obama said.

House Democrats initially entertained the idea of putting a new, smaller health care bill with those reforms onto the floor for passage tomorrow, but the idea fell apart.

"It's a way they can do it so don't need to start the process all over again," a leadership aide told TPMDC.

How to do that technically is actually fairly easy, the aide said - attaching the new measure as a substitute to the already-passed Senate bill.

The problem is, there's no guarantee the Senate would go along with it.

White House adviser David Axelrod said on ABC's This Week that Obama believes the core elements he outlined are "too important to walk away from."

"What he's saying is, 'Let's get back to it,'" Axelrod said.

Here's another piece on the confusion, with Sen. Sherrod Brown telling TPMDC Obama's strategy isn't clear.

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January 25, 2010 9:43 AM   

Funny, because I didn't hear Obama outlining a new initiative. I heard him saying "these are the strengths of the existing bill."

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January 25, 2010 10:48 AM    in reply to Alex39

True, and since the GOP is now in the majority this is going to be a tough sell.

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January 25, 2010 11:49 AM    in reply to Chris

LMAO...

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January 25, 2010 9:46 AM   

No cost reduction here.

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January 25, 2010 10:23 AM    in reply to Silence

There's none that means squat in the existing House and Senate bills either.

And you know what? Since the insurance company pigs chose to lobby furiously against a genuinely reformed system (in which private insurance could still have had an important role, though not the easy money-skimming pickings they have now), let them eat the cost problem and figure out what to do about it themselves, or slowly go bankrupt.

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January 25, 2010 12:33 PM    in reply to Steve LaBonne

let them eat the cost problem and figure out what to do about it themselves

Unfortunately, we all know the capitalist way to manage increasing costs....open wide, Mr. & Ms. Consumer.

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January 25, 2010 12:56 PM    in reply to Schmed

There are limits to that, and the insurers know it. Anyway, since the House and Senate bills do nothing to constrain overall health care expenditures (only the government's share thereof), the problem will exist regardless.

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January 25, 2010 10:04 AM   

So he's so uninvolved they're reduced to combing his speeches for hints of where he stands? Good lord.

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January 25, 2010 10:57 AM    in reply to Steve LaBonne

He only had time to call them about confirming Benanke

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January 25, 2010 10:11 AM   

This whole "above the fray" shit is so ineffectual that if this becomes his M.O for four years, I'll be glad to see him go. Maybe someone to his left can primary him.
http://forwantofanail.com

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January 25, 2010 11:40 AM    in reply to For Want of a Nail

Ronald Reagan #2 here we come.

No one on Obama's left should primary him. Why not? I'm glad you asked; here is the answer.

REASON WHY NO ONE SHOULD PRIMARY OBAMA FROM HIS LEFT.
Challenging a sitting Democratic President from his left is only going to create a Republican landslide that will move the country permanently to the right which will generate the exact opposite of what the leftward challenger hopes to accomplish?

The way to move the country the left is slowly but surely. Let the Dems pass their small put permanent bills the move the country to the left; all the while we should love every bill and all the politicians that supports it until the President signs it. Kiss their ass, until they pass it; then immediately start angling for the next leftward change. You do it one brick at a time, not all at once.

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January 25, 2010 12:36 PM    in reply to Darrius

Challenging a sitting Democratic President from his left is only going to create a Republican landslide

That presumes that the Republicans will be able to offer a popular alternative that would make independents for get about the Bush years. That's a tall tale I'd love to hear.

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January 25, 2010 1:06 PM    in reply to Schmed

From MA:

Martha Coakley tried to run against Bush; that worked really well.

Don't count on the "he/she isn't Bush" appeal to win any seats in 2010 or 2012. Big mistake (even when Kerry did it against the actual Bush in 2004).

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January 25, 2010 2:00 PM    in reply to mrut

From MA:

Martha Coakley tried to run on the "I'm a Democrat so I'm entitled to that seat" strategy. When that tanked, she started to throw whatever shit she could lay her hands on, including the Bush shit. The Bush shit may not offer any traction to the inept politician, but I can't forsee any Republican wrapping himself in the Bush cloak now that Brown has come to town.

Independents want something new -- from both parties.

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January 25, 2010 12:38 PM    in reply to Darrius

I suggest you read Rosa Luxemburg for lessons on the failures of incrementalist reformism.

Obama is a political chameleon and your mechanical views on the outcomes of events is really formulaic. He assumes the "center" of whatever environment he finds himself. During the primaries he was the centrist candidate and again he shifted to the right in the general election to be centrist. Now, while in Washington he has shifted even further to the right to be what is considered the "center" in DC. The only way for him to move left is to have him try to be the center of DC and a candidate on the left.

Besides even if it gave us another "Ronald Reagan" that could only be a good thing for the left. The more the right is able to fuck things up the more it will raise the consciousness of the public and the more strengthened the left's base will become.

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January 25, 2010 1:06 PM    in reply to For Want of a Nail

Another Ronald Reagan wouldn't be bad...WTF!!!! Ronald Reagan put in place the foundation of what has got the US economy screwed up right now. Furthermore his Presidency influenced legislation for 3 or 4 terms after he left office. Ronald Reagan practically invented deficit spending. He shifted the tax burden down from the rich to the poor and middle class. He delivered serious damage to labor unions, which are just mechanisms that help workers benefit from increases in their own productivity.

We need to un-do the crap that Ronald Reagan put in place in order to grow and create jobs again. Another Reagan-like presidency would move us further right of the things that Reagan did; that would be AWFUL for the country.

The idea is to move the country towards the left. How about having the President be the center of DC and a CONGRESS on his left. Giving Obama a primary challenge from his left is actually going to move the President to the far right BECAUSE OBAMA WILL NOT BE PRESIDENT AFTER THAT AND NEITHER WILL ANY OTHER DEMOCRAT.

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January 25, 2010 1:59 PM    in reply to Darrius

Pretending that Obama is much different from a Republican and is doing anything to help the problems you have listed is being intellectually dishonest.

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January 25, 2010 1:08 PM    in reply to For Want of a Nail

Listen to yourself--longing to be out of power (therefore unaccountable). Are you only happy when your most destructive opponents are in charge?

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January 25, 2010 2:06 PM    in reply to mrut

Listen to yourself--longing to be out of power (therefore unaccountable). Are you only happy when your most destructive opponents are in charge?

Do you actually believe that "power" is found within elected office? How many times do you have to read about Democrats saying that it is "mathematically impossible" to pass legislation while they have an 18 seat majority for it to show you that power is not found within DC?

Status quo politicians like Obama are only prolonging the inevitable. Putting a bandaid on a bullet-wound, if you will. Capitalism only breeds its own grave-diggers. Republicans fucking things up will only raise the consciousness of the population. Look at the strength of leftists during the depression. Something monumentally bad like the depression was what it took to finally create a welfare state in the U.S.

Watered down reform like Obama is giving us isn't helping us and is in fact damaging the power of the left. Power is found anywhere but government offices these days.

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January 25, 2010 1:12 PM    in reply to For Want of a Nail

P.S.

FOR WANT OF A NAIL said:
"The more the right is able to fuck things up the more it will raise the consciousness of the public and the more strengthened the left's base will become."

The type of change that Ronald Reagan made will take at least 30 years to change. That is the type of change that Obama is trying to do now BTW. Obama wants lasting change the alter the trajectory of the country after his adminstration leaves office. Such as health care.

After Obama leaves office Health Insurance Companies are going to be regulated like utility companies.

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January 25, 2010 1:58 PM    in reply to Darrius

What change is Obama instituting? All I'm seeing is a mandated tribute payment to the very industry that has made reform necessary. Unbelievable.

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January 25, 2010 3:55 PM    in reply to For Want of a Nail

Everybody looks at what they give and no one looks at what they get in return.

Let's look at a few pieces of the Senate Bill. If it passes then by law...

No one will be denied insurance coverage because of pre-existing conditions. That means everyone can get health insurance and therefore health care even if they are already sick.

There is a mandate for everyone to have insurance.

There are lots of subsidies for everyone to afford insurance.

There is also a mandate for health insurance companies to spend 85 cents of every premium dollar on actual health care for individuals. That is not as good as a single payer would be as Medicare is spends 93-97 cents per dollar on actual health care. Currently health insurance companies spend 73-75 cents per premium dollar on actual health care.

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What does it matter if we use health insurance companies or not if we dictate the percentage of collected money they actually spend on health care? The Senate Bill will make health insurance a regulated utility. That is a big change.

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January 25, 2010 5:00 PM    in reply to Darrius

There are pretty well-documented loopholes in lifetime caps.

The money I will be giving a for-profit company will be used to lobby congress to proceed with an agenda that I do not agree with in the least. Even if we mandate 85 cents per dollar, they are not going to stop lobbying in the interest of business against individual. When Republicans gain control again at some point in the future there will be no public option so when Republican legislators water down those mandates back to 75 cents (or whatever they choose) there is nothing for me to do to change my plan except to go with another for-profit company.

I hope this bill fails.

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January 25, 2010 6:11 PM    in reply to For Want of a Nail

Any changes will have to pass both houses and get over a Presidential veto. One day in the future when there are 85 liberals in the Senate and 260 liberals in the House then single-payer will pass. If you stipulate massive changes to the structure of the government then anything is possible. Besides.....

You should not stop lobbying for the interest of the people. The Senate bill believe it or not benefits the people. I have a question for you...

Are you motivated by love of the people or by hatred of business?

The Senate bill helps the people and makes it health care nigh-universal. It uses the existing health insurance industry to do it. Which do you want to see the most? Do you want to see the people helped more than you want to see business helped? I want to see the people helped the most. I want that to be done in the most efficient means possible. Right now that means the Senate bill.

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January 26, 2010 11:54 AM    in reply to Darrius

I guess we'll see what happens and how many it helps when this insurance industry bailout eventually passes. I don't foresee good things but it's not out of the realm of possibility that I could be wrong.

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January 25, 2010 10:18 AM   

This report prompts two thoughts from me. First, I agree with Alex39 that this sounds an awful lot like an endorsement of the current bills -- he certainly hit on the key elements of the Senate bill. However, why on earth are House Democrats having to parse his public statements to get an idea of where he stands on this issue? There is simply no excuse for the White House being so unengaged in the process that the House has to guess what his priorities are. The lack of leadership from the President on this issue over the last week or so has been very disappointing.

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January 25, 2010 11:58 AM    in reply to lonesomeliberal

"However, why on earth are House Democrats having to parse his public statements to get an idea of where he stands on this issue?"

Maybe because these cowardly pieces of shit are looking for an excuse, ANY excuse, to not pass a bill. After they've made Obama walk back every remotely progressive aspect of the bill, they're now complaining about "lack of leadership?" Give me a break.

These worthless idiots complained that Bill and Hillary rammed a bill down their throat, so they couldn't pass that. Now they're complaining about Obam a NOT ramming a bill down their throats, so they can't pass anything either. If Sherrod Brown and the other "progressive" Democrats had one testicle between them, they would be calling out the Republicans and the Republican-lite Senators in their own party, not complaining about lack of leadership from the White House. It's transparent, self-defeating excuse-making at this point. Utterly unbelievable, and beyond pathetic.

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January 25, 2010 1:03 PM    in reply to brewmn61

It's undoubtedly true that house members are showing a distinct lack of courage here, and they do seem to be looking for an excuse to avoid passing the Senate bill. We agree on that point completely. But from my perspective, the administration seems to be facilitating their cowardice by being unwilling to put a firm foot forward and put some of it's own chips into the fight.

As I said before, I'd love to be proven wrong about Obama. I proudly voted for him and want to see him succeed. But, if the House is looking for an excuse for ducking their responsibility, Obama is currently helping to provide them with one. He has a responsibility to stand up and fight, too.

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January 25, 2010 10:20 AM   

a smaller bill sounds like Dean's idea, though he said to use reconciliation. Remember when Dean said that the Senate bill was the collapse of reform?


"This is essentially the collapse of health care reform in the United States Senate," Dean told Vermont Public Radio. "Honestly the best thing to do right now is kill the Senate bill, go back to the House, start the reconciliation process, where you only need 51 votes and it would be a much simpler bill."


remember this editorial:

If I were a senator, I would not vote for the current health-care bill. Any measure that expands private insurers' monopoly over health care and transfers millions of taxpayer dollars to private corporations is not real health-care reform. Real reform would insert competition into insurance markets, force insurers to cut unnecessary administrative expenses and spend health-care dollars caring for people. Real reform would significantly lower costs, improve the delivery of health care and give all Americans a meaningful choice of coverage. The current Senate bill accomplishes none of these.

Real health-care reform is supposed to eliminate discrimination based on preexisting conditions. But the legislation allows insurance companies to charge older Americans up to three times as much as younger Americans, pricing them out of coverage. The bill was supposed to give Americans choices about what kind of system they wanted to enroll in. Instead, it fines Americans if they do not sign up with an insurance company, which may take up to 30 percent of your premium dollars and spend it on CEO salaries -- in the range of $20 million a year -- and on return on equity for the company's shareholders. Few Americans will see any benefit until 2014, by which time premiums are likely to have doubled. In short, the winners in this bill are insurance companies; the American taxpayer is about to be fleeced with a bailout in a situation that dwarfs even what happened at AIG.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/16/AR2009121601906.html

of course in the end he said backtracked a bit, and said the Senate bill should be fixed in conference. back when we thought we'd get a conference.

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January 25, 2010 10:26 AM   

I have a theory that Obama, and for that matter Nancy and Harry, are trying to say as little as possible before Wed. In the SOTU, Obama can reframe healthcare as part of the economic crisis hurting ordinary people. Then everyone gets out in front of the issue.

But until that happens, they're worried that any sign of determination to pass HCR would be framed as willfully ignoring the Mandate of Heaven that has descended on Scott Brown.

That's my explanation, anyhow ... perhaps it's wishful thinking. We shall see.

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January 25, 2010 10:45 AM    in reply to Alex39

The SOTU is just about the only cause for hope still left at this point, isn't it. I'd love to have to eat crow about this, but it sure looks like the major discussions right now are about how to retreat and find cover, not about how to find the will to finish the job.

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January 25, 2010 11:00 AM    in reply to lonesomeliberal

I think you'll be excited by his advice for everyone to "Work together."

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January 25, 2010 11:06 AM    in reply to DA in LA

If only everyone working together meant the Senate, White House, and the House hashing this out. As much as the House is on the spot here, and ultimately needs to do what needs to be done and pass the Senate Bill, the lack of support from the White House and the Senate is really not helpful. So, in that sense, every one working together would be a blessing.

But it sure sounds like a code word for doing nothing, looking for a half-measure, or begging the republican 'moderates' to come in, water things down and then vote against it all anyway.

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January 25, 2010 11:04 AM   

As someone with a lot of devotion to and trust in the Obama Administration, the loss in MA was a real shock. I'd always believed in part that Obama's strategy was consistently sound, even when things sometimes looked rocky. But now that trust is hard to justify, considering that looking back on the last year, its hard to imagine things going that much worse.

I think Obama has made a large mistake in not being a more proactive leader on healthcare. The initial strategy of prodding but trusting congress on the way to passage was done fairly well, but I think the first huge mistake was this: As soon as the Senate passed the bill, he should have been out campaigning for it. This legislation is monumental, it is a cornerstone of his presidency. And after a year of debate, we had a good bill. But people did not understand it. How could they, they have never been told what it is. There has been no concerted public information campaign to sell the legislation, and as soon as we had 99% of a bill passed, that was his chance to sell it.

Polls have shown the population slightly against the bill, but only if you count criticism from the left as against. They've also shown that largely people don't understand it. This is totally predictable--its complex and has been rapidly changing. With education, I think popularity now could reach over 60% (add in the left-critics and then win just some undecideds).

As soon as MA was looking bad, Obama should have started campaigning not just for Coakley, but for health care. Imagine a speech about the virtues of the bill, delivered from the home of Ted Kennedy, to all of America, followed by a interviews on all stations. Now, with everything in disarray, the need for his leadership is even greater. This is a good bill and it can still be passed (i.e. simultaneous reconciliation by Senate and passage of Senate bill by House). It is impossible to know for sure that if he leads Congress towards passage, it will result in a popular bill being passed. But it definitely could--and passage of such historic legislation would give momentum and force back to the Dems. Alternately, one thing is very sure: if the bill fails, it severely hurts all Dems. Voters who didn't like the bill will still dislike their congresspeople--no voter will be convinced to like someone who voted for a bill the voter disagreed with just because it failed. And as a whole, failure will be fatal to the Dem's image. Nothing looks worse than failure. Passing small bills could work, but it could also end up creating a mire that lasts for months with no real conclusion and nothing to make Dem's look truly successful.

I'm not sure what is preventing this strategy. Fear of getting behind a bill that might be unpopular? That is incredibly tepid. And as I argued, of course the bill is unpopular, Obama never fought for it with the public. I don't think a President can expect to pass such monumental legislation without getting in the ring to back it up.

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January 25, 2010 11:17 AM    in reply to Nick Horton

I also think that Obama's patience, flexibility, respect for Congress as a co-equal branch of government, and lack of grandstanding helped us get to this point. The process definitely dragged in ways that may ultimately doom it, but I'm not sure we'd ever have gotten this far, at least not with a bill that while imperfect is at least a good start, if Obama had been more forceful and demanding from the get-go.

What is frustrating is that the tactical situation has changed and Obama is looking like a one trick pony. The President is in a unique position to drive things home here, by forcefully calling on Congress to do the right thing for the health and welfare of the people and pass the bill. He should privately be telling them that he will absorb as much of the short term damage that is going to come from passing the bill as possible, that he will frame this as his bill, not theirs, in an effort to shield them. Instead, he seems to want it the other way around.

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January 25, 2010 12:08 PM    in reply to lonesomeliberal

I think Obama is right to let it be framed as "their" bill and not as "his" bill. If it is framed as Obama's bill then the congress doesn't take the hit from not passing it. On the other hand, if it gets framed as their bill then congress takes the hit if it doesn't pass. Therefore Congress has a reason to stay in the fight and make sure it passes, even if they want to bail out on the fight.

That is the situation we are in right now. House Progressives don't like the Senate bill, but the house has all the power to pass or not pass it now. If they chose not to pass it and kill the issue the ire of the left will fall on them not the President. The is nowhere for them to hide.

The fact that there is no cover for whichever house kills it is the reason I expect it to pass. It really comes down to who has the best political cover. The Senate has a certain measure of cover in the realities that they need 100% of their caucus to pass it; they have outright traitors to the party who don't mind being seen as traitors (Joe Lieberman); and since Scott Brown's election it is now mathematically impossible for them to pass the house bill.

The house has no cover. They have no filibuster. The experts like the bill. It is clear that the President will sign any health care reform bill that gets to his desk. Everyone knows that the party will be worse off if no HCR bill is passed. Everyone (Dems, Repubs, and Indys) will hate Democrats if we have to watch the Senate go through the health care debate again.

Everything points to the house passing the Senate bill.

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January 25, 2010 1:09 PM    in reply to Darrius

I can see your point about the framing of the issue, and I hope you are correct about the end result.

But I also think that part of the dynamic here is that the House is anticipating taking a hit in the short term if they pass this bill, and they are all up for re-election in just a few months. So the risk of framing it as congresses bill is that instead of instilling them with the courage to see it through, it leaves them feeling like they will be facing angry voters if they do go through with it. If Obama 'owned' the bill it might help them feel like they have the cover to pass the bill.

You see the lack of cover as a reason to pass the bill -- and I can see that rationale, especially if we can get enough pressure coming from the Base and left of the party. I see some cover as being the ingredient that may be needed to convince the house to act from conviction and strength rather then fear.

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January 25, 2010 11:12 AM   

when the long health care reform debate began, the following were the pillars of any reform president obama insisted upon; he needs to send this to all dem legislators and say, "this is my bottom line!"

More Security and Stability
If You Have Health Insurance, the Obama Plan:

* Ends discrimination against people with pre-existing conditions.
* Limits premium discrimination based on gender and age.
* Prevents insurance companies from dropping coverage when people are sick and need it most.
* Caps out-of-pocket expenses so people don’t go broke when they get sick.
* Eliminates extra charges for preventive care like mammograms, flu shots and diabetes tests to improve health and save money.
* Protects Medicare for seniors.
* Eliminates the “donut-hole” gap in coverage for prescription drugs.


Quality, Affordable Choices
If You Don’t Have Insurance, the Obama Plan:

* Creates a new insurance marketplace — the Exchange — that allows people without insurance and small businesses to compare plans and buy insurance at competitive prices.
* Provides new tax credits to help people buy insurance.
* Provides small businesses tax credits and affordable options for covering employees.
* Offers a public health insurance option to provide the uninsured and those who can’t find affordable coverage with a real choice.
* Immediately offers new, low-cost coverage through a national “high risk” pool to protect people with preexisting conditions from financial ruin until the new Exchange is created.


Reins in the Cost of Health Care
For All Americans, the Obama Plan:

* Won’t add a dime to the deficit and is paid for upfront.
* Requires additional cuts if savings are not realized.
* Implements a number of delivery system reforms that begin to rein in health care costs and align incentives for hospitals, physicians, and others to improve quality.
* Creates an independent commission of doctors and medical experts to identify waste, fraud and abuse in the health care system.
* Orders immediate medical malpractice reform projects that could help doctors focus on putting their patients first, not on practicing defensive medicine.
* Requires large employers to cover their employees and individuals who can afford it to buy insurance so everyone shares in the responsibility of reform.

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January 25, 2010 11:15 AM   

I don't think that Obama is saying a "smaller bill". Obama is just pointing out what is important in the bill.

Also, on Friday Obama said that some of these consumer protections won't work unless you have near-universal coverage so a smaller bill just won't cut it.

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January 25, 2010 11:47 AM   

I guess he forgot the idea of letting people get the same health coverage that members of Congress have? Leaving it up to Congress was the President's second mistake...the first mistake was taking single-payer off the table and saying "No!" to HR 676!!

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January 25, 2010 11:52 AM   

Doesn't the fact that commentators here don't agree on 'what Obama is saying' mean that he is not saying it very well.
It's not that there isn't a clear path forward -- supported Hacker, Krugman, and HCAN -- Pass the Senate bill in the House and fix it with reconcilliation. People will die otherwise.

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January 25, 2010 12:27 PM    in reply to BTJ46

You assume that he actually wants them to understand. I am convinced that he does not want to convey a clear message about health care right now. He is stalling. Maybe he is stalling for the state of the union address; maybe he is stalling for some other strategic plan. But, Obama is definitely stalling and trying NOT to say anything meaningful about HCR.

When Obama wants to say something clearly he uses the phrase, "Let me be clear blah, blah". He does it all the time.

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January 25, 2010 12:02 PM   

Yeah, smaller & smaller, and...gone.

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