
Talk about fits and starts.
A year ago Democrats committed to passing comprehensive health care legislation; six months ago, it became clear that their project wouldn't go smoothly; one month ago it was full speed ahead; and a week and a half ago it all fell apart.
Health care reform is now on life support. To mix metaphors, it's on life support and the back burner at the same time. How the Democrats' signature agenda item went from a foregone conclusion to a prospect in peril is a tale of missteps and bad luck. No single player or event brought us to where we are today. But if any of the below episodes had gone...more smoothly, this might've been a done deal.
You know how the saying goes: Success has a thousand fathers, but failure is an orphan. And you can be sure that if health care reform fails, the people below will make like John Edwards--quick-like.
1. Let's Do This The Hard Way...Just For Fun
It was a move that baffled and outraged reformers and Democratic members of Congress: Back in the early days of summer, while the House and the Senate Health Committee adhered to a standard legislative framework for drafting a reform bill, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-MT) went in a completely different direction. Convinced, against all evidence, that the GOP would play nice on major social policy, Baucus decided to huddle with a motley crue of Democrats and Republicans, culled from his committee. It started in June as the "coalition of the willing"--Baucus, along with Sens. Kent Conrad (D-ND), Jeff Bingaman (D-NM), Chuck Grassley (R-IA), Olympia Snowe (R-ME), Mike Enzi (R-WY), and Orrin Hatch (R-UT)--but Hatch soon bolted, leaving the Gang of Six. Their meetings dragged on through the August health care flame wars into September, ultimately yielding...nothing. Baucus introduced a bill on his own, with the aim of winning over Snowe, and put it through the normal committee process. It wasn't approved until October 13.
2. Rumblings In Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) died on August 25, and because of his illness, he could not play a major role in the health care debate. The impact he might have had can't be known, but his passing ultimately deprived Dems of a 60th vote. At the time of his death, Massachusetts law required the seat to be filled by special election after 145-160 days. But at his request, the state government changed the law to allow the governor to appoint an interim senator to fill the vacancy. That change allowed Sen. Paul Kirk (D-MA) to cast the 60th vote for health care to get it through the Senate the first time. But it set the stage for the blow that put Kennedy's own lifetime cause into a coma.
3. Math Math Math
Three words Democrats are tired of hearing at this point: Congressional Budget Office. At about a zillion different stages in the legislative process, Democrats had to wait for the CBO to "score" the cost and budgetary impact of the reform proposals on the table. But if Democrats could go back to 2009 to get some of that time back, they'd probably nix a four week back-and-forth between Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) and CBO-chief Doug Elmendorf, which dragged a process that was supposed to be over in August, then October, into November.
4. Snake, Meet Tail
There's no getting around it. As SEIU President Andy Stern said recently, Senate Democrats "had a chance, a gift, from the American people--60 votes, so they could, for the first time in their life, debate any single issue they chose to debate. And they squandered it." With Republicans out of the equation, Democrats needed to stand united--and they didn't. On October 26, after canvasing his caucus, Reid declared that he would include a public option in his health care bill. The next day, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) announced his intent to filibuster. Reid unveiled his bill on November 18, and managed to get it on to the floor. But he couldn't get it off the floor--passed--until he rounded up 60. For weeks, liberals and Democrats huddled to find common ground on the public option. At the last possible moment, after they thought they'd come to an agreement, Lieberman rose again: No public option; no compromise; either it goes, or I go. He won.
5. It's The Republicans!!
Thusfar, this has largely been a story about Senate Democrats. With 60 votes, why didn't they charge ahead? But the Senate is the Senate, and even a 40 vote minority can cause pointless delay. And delay they did. Republicans filibustered the move to debate the health care bill (30 hours); and through separate filibusters, delayed final passage of the Senate bill--December 24, 2009--by about a week.
6. No! It's The Democrats!!
But as soon as the bill passed, Democrats skipped town. For weeks. Reid went to Nevada--"I'm just going to sit back and watch my rabbits eat my cactus"--and other key players took time off. Exhaustion had clearly set in. But they needed those weeks.
7. #CoakleyFAIL
Why did they need those weeks? Because they'd soon lose a Senate seat. Kennedy's seat. The Democrats had planned to use the Senate bill as a baseline--send it over to the House for some changes, then back to the Senate for (truly) final passage. Another 60 vote hurdle. But after running a lethargic, gaffe-ridden campaign, Democrat Martha Coakley lost to surging challenger Scott Brown, who ran on a vow to be the 41st vote against health care. Suddenly Democrats needed a Plan B.
8. #ObamaFAIL
Democrats are settling on a Plan B. Whether it will work or not remains to be seen. But they came to the last-ditch strategy in the heat of a panic. It wasn't a pre-cooked contingency. Because Democrats never thought they'd need one. They took it for granted. And as a result, as Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) said, health care reform is on life support.
Walter Mitty
January 29, 2010 3:55 PM
And one House roll call vote and it could be passed tomorrow.
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TaraV
January 29, 2010 4:22 PM in reply to Walter Mitty
My comment exactly. All the reasons listed are true. But in the end, after all that has come before, the final blow will come from the House Dems.
How to explain this one down the line? The Dems have huge majorities and can't get a law signed because House Dems couldn't get over themselves and take their three quarters of a loaf and move on. This isn't the Repubs's fault. It's ours and it's incredibly painful to watch.
One vote.
And the consequences are huge beyond healthcare. I for one am incredibly demoralized and have tuned out. No more money from me to a party that can't get its own house in order.
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EastWest
January 29, 2010 4:31 PM in reply to TaraV
Here we go again. "It's all the House's fault!"
Wrong. The House Dems did their job. Now it's up to the Senate. And oh-by-the-way, it's also up to Obama. If HCR fails, it's because they failed.
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Indie Pro
January 29, 2010 5:02 PM in reply to EastWest
I agree.
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TaraV
January 29, 2010 5:05 PM in reply to Indie Pro
No, I disagree. Their job is to keep working until it's done. All while dealing with reality. So while the Senate Dems may have dithered and brought us to this point, the question is what now? And the very obvious answer is - pass the Senate bill! Tilting at windmills is not going to get us anywhere but further behind the eight ball.
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Indie Pro
January 29, 2010 5:16 PM in reply to TaraV
The votes are not there. The Senate Bill can not pass the House. The only chance it has is for changes to be made through reconciliation, and maybe some other sidecar legislation. Unless things change, that's the way it is.
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TheRealFish
January 30, 2010 2:28 PM in reply to Indie Pro
If the votes are not there, perhaps it's because there aren't enough people putting pressure on our representatives to do something. I admit it's "easy" for me to say, since my "representative" is Dave Camp (bleh!), part of the Party of No; communicating with him is a total waste of time since he only represents Big Business, not his constituents.
Still, I regularly communicate with my senators (Stabenow and Levin), have written Leahy and Reid and a few others as frequently as possible. But it would also be nice if we could have a more organized letter/email dump around this. I don't have the facilities to coordinate such an action, but would happily contribute effort if somebody else did.
Our efforts need always to extend beyond time spent here exchanging ideas, bitching, back-slapping (or something-slapping) and include reaching out to our representatives.
And we also need to quit paying attention to those who want health care dead from the starting blocks (e.g., Landrieu) when they pronounce the effort "dead." After all, these DINOs want the middle and left to be demoralized, so we will give up and not apply further pressure on our legislators, making these pronoucements self-fulfilling prophecies.
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Rick
January 30, 2010 8:36 PM in reply to TheRealFish
I categorically reject the notion that the House must accept a HCR bill that was completely corrupted by the Senate in order to placate their silly rules which allow red state Democrats (and future Republicans like Lieberman) to sabotage the process.
If somebody comes up to you and gives you an ultimatum "take it or leave it!", it's not your fault if you don't accept it.
It's unfair to dump all of the blame on the branch of Congress that has been far more reasonable throughout this process.
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TheRealFish
January 31, 2010 12:48 AM in reply to Rick
Ah, but if the situation is not presented in such stark black and white terms, even what may seem a retreat can be tactical, and ultimately wins the battle. I say make the tactical retreat.
About those silly senate rules: They include the concept that you can return to simple majority rule if, and only if, a bill, some complete piece of legislation, is already in existence. That is how budget reconciliation works. Budget reconciliation can not create legislation, it is designed to fix the financial underpinnings of bills that already exist.
Let's say that a piece of dog crap HCR legislation is on the books, but only allows for state-level exchanges. And let's say that the CBO already demonstrated through prior scoring that Medicare For All or at least a robust public option saves you a lot more money than some dog crap idea like state-level exchanges. Which, of course, has already happened.
That becomes a budget reconciliation issue...something that could smell like legislation — except it's not because the legislation has already passed through the houses of congress and under a president's pen.
Subtract LIEberman from the equation, or Landrieu or Nelson or Nelson of Bayh, and you still have more than 50. Fifty's all you need for reconciliation. Plus Biden to break the tie (assuming you didn't get 51 without him).
It is fourth down and one inch to go to have actual reform legislation turned into the law of the land. And you're urging we just shrug shoulders and walk away because it has the smell of some dog crap on it. Move the f*cking ball an inch, make the touchdown, then worry about kicking in the field goals for Cthulhu's sake!
This baby has only had a gestation period of 97 f&cking years to get this close to delivery, since Teddy Roosevelt first suggested health care should be a right of all citizens. Yeah. Let's just declare the current bill "imperfect" and walk away for another generation or two.
Or cover another 30 million citizens not currently covered, stop insurance companies from deciding what and how much medical treatment you need or from dropping you altogether if you have the audacity to get sick.
And that's what we do get from the dog crap version without being improved at all. That's what we get from moving the ball an inch over the goal line.
Go ahead: If you don't care about seeing reform in your lifetime (or a very large part of it), urge all parties to refuse what's on the table. I'm only saying it will take that long because that is what history proves. We get a chance about every 20 to 30 years.
And this is it.
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Mumphrey
January 31, 2010 10:13 PM in reply to TheRealFish
Thank you.
I'd rather have a shit bill now. Yes, the bill sucks more than it could. In a perfect world, peopled by fairies and pixies, I can only assume the bill would pass with 100 votes in the Senate, and it would be flawless. And in that world, my 2 year old daughter would eat salad and spinach and love it. We don't live in that world, we live in the one we live in. I'm about as liberal as they come, and I know the bill is far too weak, but I can understand that this is only the first step. I'd vote for it if I were in Congress, without another thought.
Yes, as I said, the bill sucks. I understand the frustration of people who are unhappy that every compromise has been to make the bill more conservative, and that every time somebody has to give up somethig, it's been the liberals. But what do people think happens in a situation like that?
The Republicans will not vote for ANY bill whatsoever. Ever. For any reason. The rules of the Senate are such that it takes 60 votes to end debate on a bill and vote on it. I think that the abuse of cloture has gotten far out of hand, and the Senate should reform the rule, but that won't happen until the beginning of the next Congress, if ever, so the Democratic majority just has to work with the rules as they are written now.
Since it takes 60 to end debate, and the Democrats have (or had in December, when the cloture vote was) 60, they needed EVERY Democrat on board, as the Republicans would vote as one to block a vote. That gave every Democrat a veto over the bill, and it gave great power to the more conservative Democrats, who were as happy not to have the bill as they were to have it. They could ask for the moon, and get it, since without any one of those votes, the bill would have died. I know a lot of Americans don't understand cloture, but it amazes me to see so many people here, who resumably DO know a great deal about American politics and government, just waving away the problems of passing things in the Senate.
So, anyway, yes the bill sucks. But the great thing is that once it's passed and signed into law, it becomes the starting point for any new bill after that. That's important, since once it's law, it'll be law forever. It's like Social Security. There's no getting rid of it, and thank God. It's there to stay, and sso will health care reform, once it's law. That's why the Republicans are so desperate to stop it now, since they'll never get rid of it later.
So we pass a sucky bill, and we do some good for a lot of people, and in a few years, Congress can write a new bill to make the program a little less sucky. That next bill will suck, too, but it'll suck a little less than this one, and a few years after that, there'll be yet another still somewhat less sucky bill, and another still less sucky one after that. And in 15 or 20 years, we'll have a good system, one worthy of our people. It's too bad it has to be that slow and frustrating, and it shouldn't be that way, but we don't get to remake the world as we think it should be, we have to deal with the world we have. And in the meanwhile, things will get better for millions of people. I don't think we should tell them to just wait and deal with living with no health care for 15 or 20 years just so we can feel like we were true to our principles.
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kgb999
January 31, 2010 5:22 AM in reply to TheRealFish
Well, liberals just delivered 30,000+ signatures to the progressive caucus urging them not to pass the Senate bill as is. Does that count?
Honestly, you are close to the solution they are working on. Debbie Wassarman-Shultz(?sp) was on The Young Turks earlier in the week. She was pretty clear, the reconciliation bill will have to pass first before the Senate bill will be accepted. House members simply don't trust the WH nor the Senate - with good reason.
The real place to put pressure now is on the senate to play ball with the progressives and support a strong reconciliation bill. They only need 50 votes (with Biden as a tie breaker). Progressives started whipping senate votes for the Public Option in earnest today ... at one point there were more than 50 votes for it. Be interesting to see the tallies are Tuesdayish when folks start reporting in.
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Richardxx
January 31, 2010 11:29 AM in reply to Indie Pro
What we have is a federal government that doesn't work unless it is taken over by an authoritarian party that forces it to work.
The real source of this problem is the Senate, which is a body controlled by tradition and a structure that was designed to keep the wealthy aristocracy in power over the mobs of the cities and over the organizations that wanted to abolish slavery. After the Civil War that system was redesigned to maintain America's social stratification, with the WASP's superior to and in control of the freed Blacks and the immigrant labor that were needed in the factories. It is a system of social aristocracy and plutocracy, not one of democracy.
Faced with a government designed not to work the Democratic party has tried to apply high school civics class propaganda about some fictional democracy. The Senators have set up a system that gives every single Senator powers to veto the actions of the entire body, and when they do that they can veto the actions of the House also. This only works as long as there is no leadership or discipline in the majority party. That's what we currently have.
This is not a problem of no leaders. It's a problem of an organization structured to prevent anyone from acting as a leader. That structure is built into the traditions of the Senate and is voted for by the Majority caucus at the beginning of every Congress. Those rules create the power that the most powerful of the Senators possess. Think they'll give that up? Even if maintaining it damages America and the American people? Not effing likely.
We can either eliminate the Senate as it is currently structured, or we can eliminate the fantasy of collegial politicians rationally discussing what is important for the nation and then acting on that and bring in an authoritarian party with internal discipline and no accountability except to big money and let them run government. With the economic, social and political problems faced by America we can no longer afford the luxury of not having a national government.
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ohyeathatsright
January 29, 2010 7:01 PM in reply to TaraV
The House has already stuck their neck out multiple times on key legislation.
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Economides
January 29, 2010 8:46 PM in reply to ohyeathatsright
The hosue has stuck their neck out too many times?
How dare you.
People are suffering. People are afraid. People are dying becuase they have chronic illnesses and can't get insurance. And you are gonna tell me that they just have to keep on suffering cause some crybaby politician is afraid to stick his neck out one more time for doing the job they are supposed to do. Conservadumb Senators are jackasses but they aren't causing any more harm than the most liberal house member who can't stop telling himself he is right.
Anyone who thinks their own privileges as an elected official are too precious to give up is a disgrace to the job and the country.
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ohyeathatsright
January 29, 2010 9:58 PM in reply to Economides
I happen to agree with you. My comment was to say that the Senate needs to get their asses back to work.
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Equal Opportunity Cynic
January 30, 2010 1:33 AM in reply to Economides
And you are gonna tell me that they just have to keep on suffering cause some crybaby politician is afraid to stick his neck out one more time for doing the job they are supposed to do.
No idea what they're gonna tell you, but that sounds like a pretty good summary, yes.
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AJM
February 1, 2010 8:27 AM in reply to Equal Opportunity Cynic
What we are lacking is someone with legislative smarts. No sane politician is going to vote for a bill that is going to cost him votes at home unless these is some prospect of that bill being enacted into law. This is what has happened to house members too many times. They have voted for something that is going to cost them votes only to see it fail in the Senate. If they lose their seat it is NOT only their own ambitions which are harmed, it is all the other issues on which they are better than the person likely to beat them.
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goldiera
January 30, 2010 3:39 AM in reply to Economides
I agree. Unfortunately congress members of both parties work for the same people, Big insurance, pharma & wall street. They stopped working for us years ago. That is why we see no progress in any endeavor to help the people. All we get are more laws.
The entire thing was political theatre, thats all we see. The real politics are practiced behind closed doors with representatives from corporate interests present. They had no intention of passing health care reform, all they came up with were more giveaways to corporate interests. Mandate all citizens to buy insurance from the same corporations plundering our resources with skyrocketing costs. No cost controls, it is a total ripoff. What we will end up with are mandates forcing all to buy, if they cannot, they can beg to the government.
They voted down Byron Dorgans drug re-import bill that would have saved us millions in lower drug prices. John Kerry and all the other so-called leaders live in the pockets of the same corporations destroying our country. They proved it again defeating this very upright bill. Dorgan is leaving, and I don't blame him. He is probably as fed up as we are. There is no place for decent people in congress.
Now the supreme court has made the status quo legal, giving corporations the rights to interfer in our elections, silencing any voices of protest from the people with billions of dollars to fund their chosen candidates. We have lost our country, our elections a sham, our votes a joke.
I don't see any way out. People call me and relate their phone calls to our so-called leaders protesting, and I tell them their vote is no longer needed by any elected leader.
Somebody asked me why I post here if I see no hope. I am not sure why, I am very angry and disgusted. I plan to leave the country for good, this is quickly becoming a corporate dictatorship, and I will not live under such conditions.
If people really protest, they can be picked up and held without charges for years as enemies of the state. Since Bush took over there have been systematic sweeps of so-called illegal residents, about 1700-2100 people at a time. About one third are deported, others released, others just disappear. Too scary for me.
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Richardxx
January 31, 2010 11:41 AM in reply to goldiera
Quite right. You are describing how our federal government actually functions. If you want a label, it's not democracy or a democratic republic. It's a plutocracy and a corporate kleptocracy.
This is what the U.S. federal government had descended to in the late 19th century and again after WW I up until the Great Depression which it caused.
It took the Great Depression combined with the efforts of fascist nations to conquer the world to bring a semblance of democratic government to the United States after WW II. With the passing of the Greatest Generation (which had learned through such organizations as the CCC and the draft that sent them to war - working together whether they as individuals liked it or not!) the lessons of what it cost to create and maintain a democratic nation) we are back to the normal condition of America politics - plutocracy and corporate kleptocracy.
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kgb999
January 31, 2010 3:56 AM in reply to Economides
What the fuck are you babbling about? The piece of crap doesn't even kick in until 2014.
The house members are acting on the will of their constituents. They have the responsibility to represent their voters. Most Americans don't want the senate bill passed without significant changes. It would be irresponsible for the House to do so.
It isn't our fault senate democrats are fucking incompetent. Get on the phones and pressure the senate to approve a PO and national exchanges in reconciliation. That would likely clear the log-jam quite nicely.
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expatjourno2
January 31, 2010 4:26 AM in reply to Economides
Your idiotic comment is no more true than saying it's the Senate's fault for not just passing the House bill.
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Richardxx
January 31, 2010 11:47 AM in reply to expatjourno2
The self-styled aristocrats of the Senate are the source of the problem. They are the roadblock that has stopped everything.
Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson are the biggest political criminals in America today (with the possible self-centered exceptions of every single living Republican politician in Congress.) But it is the inability of the Senate to organize itself to act as required in the face of such obstructionism that is the real fault here.
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DA in LA
January 31, 2010 12:04 AM in reply to TaraV
Um. The House is still working. The Senate is not.
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jimbomoron
January 29, 2010 6:38 PM in reply to EastWest
No, while Max Baucus and others certainly deserve blame, the House is not entirely blameless. Here's what I wrote below:
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Rick
January 30, 2010 8:41 PM in reply to jimbomoron
Sounds like representative democracy. I bet most of those representatives are quite busy representing viewpoints other than yours.
The process in the House was relatively normal. The process in the Senate was doomed to failure from the start, between the actions of Max Baucus and the fact that Joe Lieberman was always going to make it his job to screw over his own caucus.
Ultimately, I blame Harry Reid, who seemed quite content to let the process drag on for an entire year rather than get the job done. His asinine, deferential attitude towards a 40-member Republican minority made it clear that he really was never going to make an effort to get the job done.
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Richardxx
January 31, 2010 12:04 PM in reply to Rick
I'll concur that this is the normal functioning of a representative democracy.
The thing is, though, that the key word there was functioning. There has to be systems in place in the legislative body that deal with all that politicking and logrolling and still allows the body to reach a final conclusion.
The biggest problem a legislative body is supposed to deal with is deciding what are the goals the government must accomplish. That has been done with both the House and the Senate health care reform bills.
What has happened is that in both bodies, but especially in the Senate, the demands of the individual members to include in the law requirements that those goals be accomplished in ways that suit the individual members have been allowed to stop the bills.
The House got passed that initially. The Senate did not, and when the Senate went out to screw over the house and the American people, they angered a lot of Democratic Representatives who have as a result become hard to deal with.
The result is that the American federal government has failed in the face of a massive set of problems that surround the payment for health care in this nation.
No surprise, that. The federal government has a habit of failing to meet the needs of the American people. It mostly works to meet the demands of those who own the Senators and the President.
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DA in LA
January 31, 2010 12:07 AM in reply to jimbomoron
Sounds like someone should have read those signed letters.
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DA in LA
January 31, 2010 12:03 AM in reply to TaraV
Yes, not listening to the House Dems when they repeatedly said, "This won't fly" is not on anyone else's head.
Fucking ridiculous.
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oleeb
January 31, 2010 1:25 AM in reply to TaraV
How to explain it? It's rather easy actually. The White House allowed the Senate to turn the healthcare bill into a special interest Christmas tree loaded down with goodies for the insurance and drug making interests. In short, the productof the Senate's work sucked big time and is worse than passing nothing at all because it would lock us in to, to, what? That's right, virtually exactly the same system we have today and that sucks big time! The only thing they didn't keep in the healthcare bill was... reform.
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Richardxx
January 31, 2010 12:23 PM in reply to oleeb
The bill is still worth passing. The controls on the insurance companies, the inclusion of community risk pools, limitations on the exclusions for preexisting conditions and on recisions, and the expansion of health care coverage to another 30 million people at reasonable costs are enough.
Before you get all huffy that it's NOT enough, look at the system built into the bill. If you get those things, the rest of what is in the Senate bill becomes required to keep them. They will be passed because those things will become individual personal rights, not political footballs.
If Congress doesn't pass the Senate bill we will not see another opportunity to get one in my lifetime. If they do pass this bill then the results will require continued improvement over the next few years.
That's where we are right now. Move forward or die.
And health care reform is dead. It is not going any further than it is right now. Too many Democratic politicians have too much have too much pride, anger and fear in the process now to let it go forward, and the Republicans smell blood in the water. Rightly so.
We have all lost. DeMint was right. This is Obama's Waterloo. From now on Obama will be a neutered populist President, like Bill Clinton was. No more big proposals. But it's also Waterloo for the American people. This battle is over except for counting the dead and wounded.
I wish to congratulate the Republicans, the FireDogLake Jane Hamshirites, the insurance companies and Big Pharma. They have won a big battle here. It's only all the rest of us who have lost.
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JorgeOrwell
January 31, 2010 3:45 PM in reply to Richardxx
"controls on insurance companies"? Where are they? Still have the antitrust exemption. This bill was an industry wet dream. Just like the bank bailouts, this simply forced EVERYONE to buy their "products"
Jeesh!
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Richardxx
February 1, 2010 11:42 AM in reply to JorgeOrwell
There are a lot of direct controls on the insurance industry in the Senate bill. They include outlawing recisions, requiring the company to accept any applicant regardless of preexisting conditions and limitations on how much they can jack up the premiums and so on.
You are talking about the indirect controls of a functioning market. Forget that. There is an entire academic discipline called "Corporate Strategy" in the management department which has the primary purpose of finding ways to avoid dealing with market competition. That discipline grew out of "policy" studies in the 50's and has a lot of research and literature behind it.
Look into the discipline of corporate strategy. I can assure you that the market controls do little useful except to set up isolated market islands in which companies can create small monopolies and avoid the theoretical economic market limitations. Successful companies quickly leave open and free markets where they have to really work hard to keep a profit as large as Wall Street demands.
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JorgeOrwell
February 2, 2010 1:19 PM in reply to Richardxx
The preexisting condition clause is a joke. Sure, they have to accept people with conditions, but there is no limit on the amount they can charge them. And in the end, the subsidies to the insurance outfits amount to another government bailout of Wall Street and corporate America. Now, if you are talking about a single-payer government run plan, I'm all ears.
The Senate bill was written by the insurance and pharma outfits with Obama in meetings last summer. This non-sense of them being against it is laughable.
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expatjourno2
January 31, 2010 4:23 AM in reply to TaraV
Fucking horseshit. The final blow will come from Senate Democrats insisting it's their way or the highway.
The House, because it is closer to the people, it the upper chamber if there is one. If 50 Senate Democrats don't get it together to compromise with the house, it will be THEIR fault.
There is no reason, NONE, why House Democrats, all facing reelection in November, should sacrifice themselves for a bill written by a bunch of pompous asses who only have to run for reelection every six years.
Fuck THAT noise.
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EastWest
January 31, 2010 11:05 AM in reply to expatjourno2
Exactly. And perfectly framed.
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JorgeOrwell
January 31, 2010 3:34 PM in reply to TaraV
Blah, blsh, blah. "three quarters loaf"? What alternate universe are you living in? Sounds like a wacky fantasy-land with gum drop mountains and candy-cane forests.
Where we live it was the sellouts and corporatists in the Senate who killed this thing.
I'm glad this piece of crap was killed. It was a case of kill or be killed. This bill would have actually set America back and saddled millions with more taxes with little aid.
It was a huge giveaway to the corporations, who played the PR game of hating it, but in reality salivating for the captive market. So yes, the house of the people did the right thing and deepsixed it.
THANK YOU HOUSE MEMBERS!
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DonR
January 31, 2010 10:25 PM in reply to TaraV
When you say, "And the consequences are huge beyond healthcare. I for one am incredibly demoralized and have tuned out. No more money from me to a party that can't get its own house in order.", it is as if you are channeling me. I've unsubscribed from all the sites, all the blogs and all the email lists. If we can't even keep Ted Kennedy's seat in a dark blue state, we don't deserve to govern.
I, like you, have tuned out
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kgb999
January 31, 2010 5:03 AM in reply to Walter Mitty
And one progressive reconciliation bill passing with 51 votes in the senate would likely secure the votes needed for such a role call vote to be successful.
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Richardxx
January 31, 2010 12:36 PM in reply to kgb999
You're right.
Only no one in the Senate can guarantee 51 votes from those independent powerful American wealth aristocrats. So if the House passes reconciliation on speculation that the Senate might get 51 votes they are putting their careers on the line for a bunch of untrustworthy lying greedy ass-holes. Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman are normal members of that body.
Why should any Congressman - or the American people for that matter - trust the Senate? They win by killing this bill and blaming the House.
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Richardxx
January 31, 2010 12:51 PM in reply to Richardxx
The Senators win by padding their pockets and becoming more wealthy.
Remember Senator Phil Gramm? He passed the deregulation bill that kept Enron from being regulated as security dealer and got his wife on the SEC committee that wrote the regulations to assure that. Wendy Graham then became a member of the Enron Board of Directors. Can you smell quid pro quo? That was all leading to the collapse of the fraud that was Enron.
Then Phil passed the bill remove the Glass-Stegall restrictions on banks. After he retired from the Senate he because a vice-President for the Swiss Bank UBS. Phil Gramm has become an extremely wealthy man because he was a Senator.
That's why they become Senators. Not to do the work needed by the American people. They work for the rich in order to become rich. The few who don't are isolated by the many that do until they, too, join the crowd and become full members of the 100 wealthy men's club of Washington, D.C. - or until they die in a plane crash.
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Rick
February 1, 2010 2:58 AM in reply to Richardxx
I suspect that the reason it will fail at 41 votes in the Senate is because that is the minimum number needed to fail. If more votes were needed to defeat meaningful reform, they would be found.
A lot of the Senators who have pretended to be in favor of health care reform don't actually want to do anything serious to see it enacted. Many of them (such as Baucus) are heavily dependent on health insurance contributions, and view their principal duty to ensure that the current system not be significantly changed.
Oh, and I think Rahm is on board with the anti-change agenda, too. The next time I see him put his legendary leadership skills behind a progressive initiative will be the first time he's done so.
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tonnyb
January 31, 2010 11:05 AM in reply to Walter Mitty
The problem is, this bill mandates healthcare without a public option or medicare buy-in, a problem that turned both independent and democratic voters against the bill. If the bill passes, it will leave Democrats vulnerable to election challenges, many progressives being the most vulnerable.
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bk
January 31, 2010 11:35 AM in reply to Walter Mitty
Absolutely. I really believe they will pass it.
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inokeah
January 31, 2010 12:20 PM in reply to Walter Mitty
This would be a the last nail in the coffin of hundreds of Democrat congressmen and women and dozens of Democrat Senators.
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Richardxx
January 31, 2010 1:10 PM in reply to inokeah
There will be more Democratic Congressmen lose in 2010 because the Democratic Party has lost this fight through failure to organize to win and through letting the opponents drag the game out to where the opponents gained enough leverage to kill it.
As near as I can see, while there have been a number of individuals ready and willing to fight for this the Democratic party can't and won't get its act together and actually fight for something for the American People.
As a party the Democrats are incompetents, quitters and lack leadership. Of the three top individuals, I give Nancy Pelosi the highest marks. Obama has simply failed here. Reid? He is powerless in the Senate and the White House needed to mobilize Americans, explain what the bill did, keep explaining, and push it.
But none of that happened. The Democrats are now seen as useless leaderless rabble and they are going down next November. Just watch. By Summer they'll all be running for the hills individually because health care died the way it has.
The line from the American Revolution that "We all hang together or we all hang separately." applies to the Democrats now. They have failed to hang together and the outcome is now a given.
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goldiera
January 31, 2010 8:46 PM in reply to Richardxx
They hung together, but for their corporate masters, not the American people. It is like a game of basketball, they keep tossing the issue around, the only ones who score are the insurance and pharma corporations. It is theatre, nothing more. If they pass anything (which I doubt) it will be the mandate giving insurance companies 47 million enforced customers with no cost containment or consumer rights.
The supreme court made it official; we have become a corporate dictatorship. Now, the corporations will buy and sell candidates from each party, they will do as they are told.
We are sold out. Its a joke...on us.
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Richardxx
February 1, 2010 11:29 AM in reply to goldiera
An interssting thing about that Supreme Court decision.
Until now we bought goods based on the price and the reputation of the company and product for quality. Now there is a whole new factor the big companies are going to have to compete on - who do they support politically?
I buy books through Barnes & Noble because they are reported as giving primarily to Democratic candidates, while Amazon donates primarily to Republicans. But I am aware that I am unusual in considering this important. No more.
Now everyone is going to ask what the political profile of a company is before they trade there. Companies are going to me rated on their political profiles and they will lose business because of those political profiles!
If that doesn't shake the economists up then the economics profession is really out to lunch. The SC decision makes political decisions as important to the market as economic and marketing decisions are!
Talk about unintended consequences - and conservative ignorance and stupidity.
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Alex39
January 29, 2010 4:06 PM
People need to call the Senate. Read Steve Benen's posts -- Senators + Rahm are floating trial balloons about "delay" that could have the effect of killing this thing.
Tell them that you want to see it happen in *February*.
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jane doe
January 30, 2010 2:43 AM in reply to Alex39
indeed! call your senators, call your rep. tell them they work for you and pass the damn bill! and for good measure, tell them to put the public option back in. i got 2 senators and 1 rep. (VT) who are in. whaddayougot? make some noise in the right places people. we slept thru august, let's not get caught napping again. WHIP SOME VOTES. STOP BITCHING AND START CALLING. if you can make the effort to comment on TPM then you can google your reps. and pick up the phone. representative democracy only works if the electorate is informed and engaged. GO DEMOCRACY!
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goldiera
January 31, 2010 8:51 PM in reply to Alex39
The supreme court's ruling made it official and legal; our voices and wishes no longer matter. The corporations have been given unfettered control over our election process. If the ruling stands, (and I see little effort to change it) forget the phone calls and petitions. I have done my share, and will do no more; it is a total sham.
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sunnysteve
January 29, 2010 4:11 PM
They never had a 60 vote majority. They were out and out lied to by Lieberman.
Then they were gamed by Nelson.
Now, three Dem senators are promising to block the climate bill.
Health care has to be passed as is by the House, our use reconciliation, or both.
The climate bill was reported to be heading for a compromise in the Senate, but I hate to see that mess, if it happens at all. Better to let the EPA put the screws to the coal industry and other emitters.
Losing the fantasy that the Dems can act alone in the Senate is a blessing. It makes Lieberman and Nelson totally irrelevant, for starters. Perhaps Reid will realize that, if he can't get reelected anyway, he might as well expose the filibuster for what it is: a cheap gimmick to block any legislation that the minority does not like, or that they simply want to use for political games. I hope he makes them actually filibuster, and refuses to let the Senate recess, whenever they pull this crap.
American voters are slow to catch on, but they do eventually catch on.
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Richardxx
January 31, 2010 1:18 PM in reply to sunnysteve
We are seeing a repeat of Clinton in 1993, just as the conservatives hoped and wanted. The Senators dragged out the process until it has died.
It's over. It won't be resurrected. That's what the talk from Senators about taking a little longer is all about. Health care reform died definitively after Christmas.
The Democratic party is going to suffer from this. Big time! It's what happens in war almost every time when a leaderless rabble or a militia goes up against a trained and disciplined professional military force.
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goldiera
January 31, 2010 8:58 PM in reply to Richardxx
I agree with you. But, the ones who will suffer are the American people, not the leaders. Worst case, they go home, sit on their fat asses and collect pensions for the rest of their useless and miserable existance.
I have a small foundation that works with the sick and dying, and they are the ones who are suffering, not those jerks. I live in CA, and the budget cuts are brutal. They will get worse because the administration and congress can give billions for unwinnable wars, but not one cent to help the bankrupt states. So, the states cut more social programs, the uninsured numbers continue to rise, and more people die from lack of basic health care.
Disgusting and reprehensible.
Business as usual.
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Satorist
February 1, 2010 10:01 AM in reply to Richardxx
If Health Care legislation won't pass this year (and it won't), Democrats have a chance to salvage something (including many or their seats) allowing the legislative process to work: Let the conference report out a bill that reflects Democratic principles, including a strong public option, Medicare expansion, etc. It's not going to pass anyway, at least give members a chance to vote (and run) on something more palatable than the Baucus bill. Bring it to a vote in both chambers and LET the Republicans filibuster. Stop letting them stall by merely threatening a filibuster. Let them tie up the Senate for months, and hammer them relentlessly for being industry shills.
Democrats have so played this so poorly thus far that it's inevitable they'll lose seats. They can at least level the playing field a little by setting up Republicans as corrupt obstructionist foes of reform.
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Indie Pro
January 29, 2010 4:17 PM
Who did the White House have on point for Healthcare? Who did all the negotiating on behalf of the White House?
That person deserves the blame.
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klip
January 30, 2010 11:09 AM in reply to Indie Pro
Forget the blame. Deal with reality and what is available now. Fair or not, it's up to the House to pass the Senate bill, plant the flag and then they can get on with making modifications. If we don't hit the beach now, we'll likely never be able to make such progress until maximum crisis hits since the Dems will be toast in he next election and otherwise further sunk into utter timidity. Instead, we'll be limited to solely doing the Repub's healthcare fixes like tort reform and interstate insurance competition.
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Rick
January 30, 2010 8:42 PM in reply to klip
It's necessary to assign blame because the Democrats make the same exact mistakes over and over again. Until you understand how and why a system is failing, there is no reason to expect better results in the future.
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Lucieann
January 29, 2010 4:24 PM
Never mind passing it tomorrow...it could be done today!! Now let me get this straight......we have no single-payer, because it was taken off the table early on, we settled for public option as a compromise, but now we only have one -half of that, it passed both chambers of Congress, but it can't get to the President's desk.....all because of a special election to fill the seat of the man that health care reform was his signature, life time issue?!!! KNOCK-HEAD-ON-WALL-NOW!!!
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howie
January 29, 2010 4:24 PM
The WH needs to speak with one voice, and that voice should belong to the guy we elected.
Right now, Rahm says one thing Plouffe and Axelrod say the opposite and the President isn't firm on anything.
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rbe1
January 30, 2010 2:00 AM in reply to howie
Time to toss Rahm under the bus.
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henk
January 30, 2010 12:50 PM in reply to rbe1
Long passed time. He didn't want anything passing that might hinder deals that he had made with his corporate pals. A lot of what went wrong has to do with his backroom machinations.
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ohyeathatsright
January 29, 2010 4:25 PM
Hmm, no mention of the fact that they drafted crap legislation.
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Tanjaoui
January 29, 2010 5:53 PM in reply to ohyeathatsright
Right, after taking single payer off the table - wasn't even given a hearing. Zinn mentions this in his Nation article on the Obama Presidency at the one year mark - you start out with a compromise, you get a further compromise.
The bill is weak fucking tea, providing really expensive (to the economy) insurance 'coverage' that gives people in the 'bronze' tier of plans (working people) low premiums with lots of co-pays and sky high deductibles, forcing them to choose between health care and other day-to-day needs. They're just as likely to not seek treatment as use their insurance. What a charade.
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mycomment
January 30, 2010 5:36 AM in reply to Tanjaoui
and too many of the commentariat are still expecting democrats to compromise further to achieve obama's goals of bipartisan support.
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smartone
January 29, 2010 4:26 PM
you can add another one - negotiating with themselves
Reid took reconciliation off the table at the beginning of the process
Obama said Public Option wasn't necessary
Single Payer wasn't even brought up as an option
Rule 1 in Negotiations Everything is negotiable. But if you take things off the table yourself without getting anything in return you are only seceding ground and hurting your own position.
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jimbomoron
January 29, 2010 6:42 PM in reply to smartone
And playing Overton Window takes time. We would have wasted even more time if we had to consider the politically infeasible single-payer option. But I guess wasting time is okay so long as Max Baucus isn't doing it.
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Moose49
January 29, 2010 5:08 PM
It's not dead yet, to paraphrase Monty Python. If health care reform ultimately fails, it will be an epic failure on a far grander scale and more tragic than even the Clinton effort. There will be more than enough blame to go around, as you've documented. And there will be serious consequences as thousands of activists sit on their hands and tighten their wallets in 2010 (and maybe even in 2012).
But as long as it has a pulse, the best thing all of us can do is keep the heat on everyone -- on the Senate which deserves it more than anyone, on the House to do the responsible thing even if the Senate stabs them in the back once again, and on the White House for following up President Obama's SOTU rhetoric with real action, rather than Rahm's wimping out.
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EastWest
January 29, 2010 7:33 PM in reply to Moose49
Health Care Reform has already failed. The choice now is between the crappy, corporate-give-away Health Insurance "Reform" passed by the Senate - the one everybody wants to jam down the House's throats - or some version of the already-agreed-upon fix(es) proposed by the House.
It's on the Senate to do the right thing now. And, like they've done for the past year, the Senate is pissing away the opportunity.
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bill
January 29, 2010 5:08 PM
The Democrats did not try to reform health care. Every institution was kept in place and their profits enhanced. You could sense the whipping boys are becoming the providers - my lord, the insurers get billions in taxpayers' money , either thru mandate or tax subsidy, then, the Democrats begin to attack the providers and work to cut their services, but raise big pharma and insurance company profits.
Here is the most blatant example:
The Senate bill specifies that insurers only have to spend 80% of your health premium on actual medical or health care. The other 20% of your premium can be spent on lobbying, campaign donations, CEO bonuses, fighting your claim for treatment, and supporting 'sympathetic' politicians.
Yes. it is a fact that 20% of the private sectors 'take' under 'reform' can be keep for such 'overhead'. Medicaids' 'overhead' is less than 4%. If reform was to 'cut the cost of health', then cut the private sector to 4%, and there will be 16% more money for actual medical care.
Again, the Democrats and Obama have put people last.
The bill deserves immediate death. Whether the Democrat's actions resulted in tragedy or farce depends on your perspective. But, regardless of your feelings, the 'reform' rip off is a fact.
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Alex Carson
January 29, 2010 8:20 PM in reply to bill
Pure fantasy.
Medicaid overhead is far greater than 4%, because Medicaid itself is not even billed by Medicaid. The billing department for Medicaid is the IRS. On top of that, as Obama has pointed out Medicaid and Medicare have a much larger amount of fraud, but you don't include that as part of the overhead?
And the managers amendment specifies a 85% loss ratio for most companies. Remember, that's the legal minimum. If you include fraud, waste, abuse and the cost of collecting Medicare's "revenue" (the IRS) I'm sure it comes out to somewhere around 85% - 80%. Probably even worse.
Oh yeah, not to mention, Medicare and Medicaid pay well below the reimbursement of private insurance. So hospitals couldn't even sustain taking on a much greater load of patients who pay at the Medicare rate. All of us not on Medicare and Medicaid are subsidizing those who are (through taxes, and again when we pay for a doctors visit).
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goldiera
January 30, 2010 3:47 AM in reply to bill
You are right. I agree completely. Congress has never had our interests at heart, they serve their masters, the corporations.
Thanks to the supreme court, the status quo is now official, and our voices have been made irrelevant. The bill as it stands only mandates everyone buy crappy coverage at huge costs with no cost containment, no consumer protection at all.
What a joke, what a sick, cruel joke.
America slept too long.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
January 29, 2010 5:27 PM
Oh for Christ's sake. Can we please wait until the damn thing is dead before we start publishing the damn obituaries? Especially given that I don't think it's going to die?
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Xantar
January 29, 2010 5:39 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
But then how are you going to write a catchy headline and attract people to read your story so that the advertisers will be happy? Won't somebody think of Josh Marshall's children?!?
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felix
January 29, 2010 6:23 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Couldn't agree more.
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felix
January 29, 2010 6:24 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Couldn't agree more.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
January 30, 2010 11:31 AM in reply to felix
But not for lack of trying. *Ba-dum-bump*
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fbacon2
January 29, 2010 7:36 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
It's sickening to keep referring to HCR in the past tense, especially when I considered the editorial position of the blog to PassTheDamnBill.
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jsdc007
January 29, 2010 5:30 PM
This whole process has been too painful to watch for those of us following ti closely. For the rest of the country just interested in results, this has been a nauseating spectacle. Who comes off the worst in this kabuki theater performance? Grassley, Enzi, Hatch, Lieberman, Nelson, Landrieu. Who comes off as incompetent? Baucus, Reid, Obama. And characters like Dorgan, Conrad and Snowe play the parts of unnecessary extras who did their best to doom this project. Oddly enough, Pelosi manages to come out with some dignity intact, but not much.
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admiralmpj
January 29, 2010 5:32 PM in reply to jsdc007
Uhhh, you left like, 89 other Senators off your list of who came off bad.
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rbe1
January 30, 2010 3:13 AM in reply to jsdc007
Don't forget America's legislative genius, Rahm Emanuel.
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farnsworth
January 29, 2010 6:02 PM
Obama failed first, and kept failing.
Yes, the House could have done better. Yes, the Senate could hardly have done worse. But all that pales in comparison to Obama's continued failures.
Giving up single payer in any circumstance was a mistake. But giving it up without getting anything in return was unconscionable stupidity.
If this failure* is the defining aspect of the Obama presidency, it is what he deserves.
*Even if something somehow manages to pass, the huge giveaway to big pharma and the insurance industry that this legislation contains will be a failure.
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flavius
January 29, 2010 9:11 PM in reply to farnsworth
Yes it's Obama who is resposible. Only he could make sure that all his staff we're on the same page and when their falure to agree threw up irreconcilable problems he would have been forced to confront them. While there was still time to fix them.
I very much like the guy's character and philosophy but he's a lawyer and lawyers aren't managers.They're lone wolves. That's why they went to law school in the first place.
A business exec with considerably less smarts would have managed the process far better. That's what they do. They learn it in their 20s by trying to get competing units to cooperate and when they fail at that, doing it again until they get it right. That's when Obama was a community organizer. He learned many things from that but not how to manage. He's never learned that.And never will. It's too late.
Does that mean that W would have done a better job ? Yup. He accomplished what he wanted to accomplish. Those were mostly terrible things and the people who worked for him were thugs, but,sadly , those thugs accomplished those terrible things:No child left behind, tax cuts, tricking us into the Iraq War.
I'm afraid he's a one term President and an ineffective one at that.Which is really too bad.
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Alex Carson
January 30, 2010 1:53 AM in reply to flavius
eh,
NCLB was passed with a massive number of Democratic votes. Ted Kennedy helped draft the thing. I have trouble understanding how it was a Bush program, he didn't even WANT to take the lead in deciding its contents. But now that people don't like it (yes, it's a bad program) it becomes that Bush and a few Republicans wrote it, stuffed it down the throat of the house which then passed it without revision, then the senate. Riigght.
Talk about revisionist history.
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flavius
January 30, 2010 7:08 AM in reply to Alex Carson
I don't agree re NCLB. In the summer of 2001 the New Yorker report quoted the Democratic Congressman who takes the lead on Education (George something from California Parker maybe) describing with real admiration how W went about twisting arms .
I think W was a disasterous president precisely because he was so competent to achieve his ojectionable goals.
Iraq is an example. Cheney and Rummy wanted to do it in Oct of 2001 and he turned them down. But let them start preparing for the invasion 20 months away. Then waited until Oct 2002 to
sucker punch the democrats because ,as Andy Card said, you never start a sales campaign in the summer.
I won't defend Katrina except to note that Louisiana now has a Republican governor.
Those guys know how to get their way. If only Obama did.
The Obama /Rahm arrangement ain't workin.
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Alex Carson
January 31, 2010 7:30 AM in reply to flavius
You're just wrong about NCLB. Let's assume you're right about that one congressman's opinion - such a statement doesn't mean much - right now we've got Republicans claiming that Obama and progressives are strong arming through their agenda. Does that make it true? No.
Here's the Wikipedia entry:
"The bill, shepherded through the Senate by Senator Ted Kennedy, one of the bill's sponsors, received overwhelming bipartisan support in Congress.[4] The House of Representatives passed the bill on May 23, 2001 (voting 384-45),[5] and United States Senate passed it on June 14, 2001 (voting 91-8)*.[6] President Bush signed it into law on January 8, 2002."
*Also, a footnote, more Republicans than Democrats voted against NCLB!
Did Bush use some kind of mind control to get Democrats to vote for it against their will? Unless he did, then it's pretty clear that NCLB is anything but a pure or even mostly Bush initiative. If it were, he'd have gotten more votes from his own party than from the Democrats.
And yeah, I don't want to get into a discussion about Katrina, I will say though that all sides dropped the ball. Totally agree that the way this white house has been going forward doesn't work. IMO, the biggest problem is going for big bills. Bush did lots of legislative stuff in small increments, HSAs, Nuclear 2010 etc.
PS. I would like to see HSAs gone, they are a step away from single payer, wrong direction, HSAs are a step away from single payer.
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flavius
February 1, 2010 8:02 PM in reply to Alex Carson
The democratic congressman was George Miller.
I agree that W was pushing on an open door so I may have over praised an easy success. But it was a success.
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bluebell
January 29, 2010 6:13 PM
It is indeed a failure and the party well deserves to suffer the consequences.
If he thinks healthcare was difficult, let's see him get those jobs back from Asia. It's not going to get easier if you are working for the American people. But then, who still thinks they are?
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jimbomoron
January 29, 2010 6:31 PM
Okay, Brian
I don't deny that Max Baucus and the White House deserve a lot of blame, but House members deserve their share of the blame, too. The CPC wasted plenty of time with their self-righteousness pontificating about whether this or that form of the public option was acceptable to them. The House wasted plenty of time trying to find revenue measures when both the President (limiting the charitable and mortgage deductions) and Max Baucus (capping the employer tax exclusion) had come up with very good candidates to raise the necessary revenue -- both which were quite progressive -- long before the millionaire tax. And members who kept signing letters saying they wouldn't vote for a bill if it included this or that provision didn't help either.
That said, this blame game is a needless exercise. The question isn't why Democrats are in the predicament they are in right now. The question is where we go from here.
At this point, only the House has the power tomorrow to make it so every child can remain on his or her parents' policy until age 25 and provide significant prescription drug relief to seniors. Just yelling, "SIDECAR, SIDECAR" amounts to the same sort of pussy-footing that got Democrats into the predicament they currently are in. If the House says they want to meet the Senate halfway, then part of meeting the Senate halfway includes specifying what exactly must be included in sidecar legislation that could realistically pass the Senate in order for House members to vote for the Senate bill.
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lastmarx
January 29, 2010 7:37 PM
Brian's analysis is much too wonkish (focused on inside baseball). What killed HCR was Obama's decision to take single payer "off the table" because America's capitalist culturerequired for-profit insurance companies to run the show. That guarranteed a confused and complex set of proposals open to cheap and hard to understand by the public.
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willia451
January 29, 2010 7:37 PM
That said, this blame game is a needless exercise. The question isn't why Democrats are in the predicament they are in right now. The question is where we go from here.
Well put. Your post is spot on. Good job.
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sj660
January 29, 2010 7:49 PM
There are various levels of blame, and a lot of measuring of what butterfly's wings flapped in China to cause whatever tornado here.
But the fact remains that the bill is one roll-call vote away from the President's desk.
Yes, I know it's abdicating to the House of Lords; yes, I know it's not the best bill; yes, I know the House did their job and made a bunch of tough votes. But the ball is in their court. They can pass the bill or be as cravenly concerned with their own reelection as apparently certain senators are. The fact remains, unless there is a total revolution in the Senate, passing another bill is 2 extortionists and 1 Republican away from happening. Forget it. Blame them? Yes. I also know Pelosi says she doesn't have the votes. Well, we all know she is *far* more likely to get them than Reid is.
At the end of the day, the path of least resistance is to pass the Senate bill. It's good until January 3, 2011. Tick. Tick. Tick.
This may be a case of Murder on the Orient Express where everyone contributed to the killing, but the law regards shooting someone falling out of a building as murder, so, that being the case, the House is the one putting the lights out finally if it dies.
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sj660
January 29, 2010 7:50 PM in reply to sj660
Oh, and P.S.: if there's one upside to the bill taking an olympiad to kick in it's that there's *plenty* of time to amend it in all sorts of ways before there is any real public reaction to its actual impact, other than just watching the Democrats fail.
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jogartrago
January 29, 2010 8:13 PM
Here is a suggestion I've read about and thought about and which makes some sense. Pass what can be passed by reconciliation. Institute medicare for all which can be done w/ 51 votes.
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Alex Carson
January 29, 2010 8:25 PM in reply to jogartrago
There are not 51 votes for Medicare for all.
Ontop of that, it would cost a hell of a lot more than the current bill, and expire after 6 years. You need to learn what reconciliation entails.
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CVille Dem
January 30, 2010 9:31 AM in reply to Alex Carson
IF Medicare for all was in place for 6 years, the US electorate would not let it expire. Just try taking it away from people who had the experience of health care - you don't hear seniors opting out of it, do you?
That is exactly what I like about the Reconciliation process. If it ends up being terrible, it will either die or be changed. If it is good and people like it, no WAY will they let Washington take it away from them.
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Tanjaoui
January 30, 2010 6:23 PM in reply to CVille Dem
Correct. And while it would cost the government money, it saves money overall (in terms of the global US economy). A CBO analysis (as opposed to a score, which only take account of its effect on the federal budget, not on the entire economy) is what is called for. Medicare for all, expanded Medicare, single payer: it saves money. Socialized medicine (expanding the VA system to cover the whole country) would allow even greater efficiencies.
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CVille Dem
January 30, 2010 6:37 PM in reply to Tanjaoui
I love it! Screw the current bill, and pass Medicare for All through Reconciliation!
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Alex Carson
January 31, 2010 7:38 AM in reply to CVille Dem
You missed a major point - Medicare for all will NOT pass through reconciliation. It will not get 51 votes now, if you think it will, you are living in a fantasy world.
Not to mention, Medicare for all (even just all the uninsured) would be a budget mega-buster. You're talking about covering the people most expensive to cover, the sky is the limit for the amount that could cost. Hospitals and doctors would go nuts, because as it is Medicare doesn't even cover their costs. If the Medicare passed through reconciliation has realistic reimbursements, then forget it, it'll cost even more.
The limited upside of the senate bill is that it gives vouchers, not blanket coverage, so there's a built in limit to how much it can cost.
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runfastandwin
January 29, 2010 8:19 PM
The Democrats never had 60 votes. Joe Lieberman is not a Democrat. Nor do they need 60 votes. The truth is they really don't want HCR, they just pay it lip service.
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runfastandwin
January 29, 2010 8:23 PM
On other note about 60 votes: The minority already has a HUGE advantage, since for example North Dakota gets the same number of senators as for example California. I don't understand why the majority continues to insist on having 60 votes to do anything. They could change the law tomorrow with 50 votes plus Biden. They just don't want to.
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Wrascly_Rasputin
January 31, 2010 2:51 AM in reply to runfastandwin
Uh,
Have heard that that 60-vote rule is not in the constitute or even law of the land? It is a rule of the senate that can be revoked by a majority vote. The republicans threatened to do this multiple times when they were in power and got bills passed. Odd the democrats treat it like Kryptonite.
Hmm...
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kgb999
January 31, 2010 5:32 AM in reply to Wrascly_Rasputin
That's touchy. Pretty sure it takes 67 votes to change it for real. But it only takes a simple majority to pass a temporary rule (which could in theory suspend filibusters for a finite period of time).
I think they can also get Biden to declare it unconstitutional, but I'm not sure on the ins and outs of that.
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rkalsch
January 29, 2010 9:59 PM
I see it this simple and I think the MA Sen election showed this is how its going to go down, but if you aren't doing your job you aren't going to keep. I'm not a teabagger or radical, pretty sensible life-long Dem, but I feel that those representing both parties aren't worth re-electing. So, quite simply, anyone holding an office right now that is up for re-election in 2010 won't receive my vote in the primaries or in the general. What else can I do? There are no other tools at my disposal. Handwritten letters have no effect. Emails have no effect. Nothing crazy. Nothing unsensible. But, the result is that the current elected members that are a part of the system aren't succeeding in an environment where they should have scored. If they can't under these conditions, then they can't anytime. If you have a regular job, have been given the best tools to succeed, and you still fail... its time to find another line of work. I will help with that natural conclusion in the fall. I hope that is what the many other disatisfied Ds, Rs, and Is also conclude.
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DA in LA
January 31, 2010 12:15 AM in reply to rkalsch
I agree.
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jim43
January 29, 2010 10:03 PM
A centrist vision of health care failed, so why is it not a realistic alternative to try single-payer instead? The GOP were revealed as hypocrites today, so why not go full court press?
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog
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henk
January 30, 2010 12:58 PM in reply to jim43
Because this White House DOES NOT WANT single payer. Its that simple. They didn't even want a public option. Of course they never really articulated anything they wanted, but you can divine from their actions on this and other things how the can get something when they want it and how something can languish when they don't. Bernacki is a good example of them playing hardball when they really want something and their tepid "support" for the public option is a good example of how they act when they don't want something.
Medicare could be expanded to 50 and offered to everyone under 25. That would be a start and it could be done with 51 votes. But it won't get done.
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Tanjaoui
January 30, 2010 6:28 PM in reply to henk
I agree. This is why ordinary people have to petition their government for it. We need to talk about it, hammer away at our Reps with e-mails, calls, letters.
I would've started out with socialized medicine (open the VA system to the whole country), stake out Medicare for All as a fallback position. In bargaining, the seller has to start out with a high price, then gradually make reciprocal concessions as necessary.
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hoppycalif2
January 29, 2010 11:27 PM
No doubt a lot of mistakes were made. But, also no doubt, not one of those mistakes can be rolled back - that time is passed. What we have today is a chance to stop insurance companies from refusing to cover pre-existing conditions and dropping insurance from anyone who really needs it. Those two things alone are a major accomplishment, so the Senate Bill, which includes those things should be passed.
It is utter nonsense to rant about the requirement that everyone buy insurance, while we have no public option. Those two are not even remotely related to each other. The sole reason for mandatory insurance for everyone is to share the risk widely enough so people with pre-existing conditions can get insurance. Without the mandatory coverage requirement it isn't possible to get pre-existing conditions covered. And, there is no true public option available for consideration today. The one in the House bill is a farce, a symbolic gesture only. It would cover almost no one, and even then only after 4 years.
So, there are no good reasons for not passing the Senate Bill, other than the part about making women second class citizens. That part can be fixed later, and I'm sure will be.
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Tanjaoui
January 30, 2010 6:40 PM in reply to hoppycalif2
So people with pre-existing conditions can get insurance, or so insurers can continue to make profits? Because the government can mandate that insurers cover everyone without the individual mandate to buy insurance if they want. That's the power they have over the insurance industry - a power they refuse to exercise for obvious reasons. The insurers should be begging to remain in business. They offer nothing of value in the delivery of health care. So Congressmen should make a simple quid pro quo: no public option, no mandate. Accept the (consistently popular) public option - open to anyone who wants to buy into it - or face guaranteed issue with no individual mandate. Take it or leave it. So no: they're not (naturally) related. They should make one item contingent upon the other.
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hoppycalif2
January 30, 2010 8:51 PM in reply to Tanjaoui
If you could get insurance with a pre-existing condition, there would be no reason to buy health insurance until you face major health care bills. Then you want to be able to shift the cost of those bills to the insurance companies. That would be nice, but no insurance company could survive if that were the situation. They would not be able to spread the risk by insuring both the healthy against unforeseen problems, and the sick who suddenly need someone else to pay their bills. A system where you don't need to pay for insurance until you need to use it would be like allowing people in flood zones to wait for a flood to buy insurance - we can't do that. It would be like requiring insurance companies to sell life insurance to a man with 2 days to live - we can't do that either.
The purpose of the public option is only to provide a competitor to insurance companies so they can't overprice their products. It has nothing to do with pre-existing conditions.
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kgb999
January 31, 2010 5:40 AM in reply to hoppycalif2
There are a bazillion reasons to partake in affordable medical services. Like ... CHECKUPS? Routine screening? Flu Shots? Not having to figure out how to shop for insurance with a compound fracture in your arm?
The free-rider fallacy is the biggest joke of the whole debate.
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hoppycalif2
January 31, 2010 11:58 AM in reply to kgb999
A compound fracture of your right arm is not a financial disaster. But, a cancer diagnosis is, as is a diagnosis of AIDS or MS, or any one of many other conditions and diseases. If I can buy health insurance after I get the diagnosis it makes no financial sense to buy it before then. Young people already play this game by not getting insurance until they are older and facing more potential problems. You can ignore this if you wish, but any insurance company that tried to exist with this being allowed would soon go bankrupt.
In fact the anger that you seem to feel about being forced to buy health insurance looks very much like you would be one of those to wait for the need before buying that insurance, just as any intelligent home owner would wait for a flood before buying flood insurance if that were permitted.
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Partisancheese
January 31, 2010 2:17 PM in reply to hoppycalif2
The sad truth is that a broken arm or an emergency room visit is enough to break most people's banks. At a conservative estimate of $3,000, any struggling family would be thrown at the prospect of paying that off. What you would consider "a financial crisis" is relative. For upper middle-class, this would be a rough spot, but one that could be overcome. But for those without jobs, $5,000 is enough to put you behind and push you toward bankruptcy.
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hoppycalif2
January 31, 2010 3:18 PM in reply to Partisancheese
Agreed, but it doesn't change the fact that the "public option" is not related to the mandatory insurance provision, and the "existing conditions" coverage is related to the mandatory insurance provision, which is the only point I am making. It is the hang up over a "public option" that is getting in the way of some very good reform provisions that are in the senate bill, and most of that hang up is over mandatory coverage.
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cawleybo
January 30, 2010 12:20 AM
Interesting how Obama's only mistake was not having a "plan b" for the Mass election.
Brian, the cleaner's called, they can't get that stain off the "O" on your cheerleader outfit.
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eggroll
January 30, 2010 6:45 AM
I say "Good job, Brian." There is nothing per se that keeps a first-world country from providing adequate health care for all -- every country other than the US has already done it. The enemy, we are told, is the complexity of doing health care. So keep it simple. Congress could have drafted a one-page act extending Medicare to every citizen and legal resident 50 or older and passed it in a week. If they wanted to get creative, they had their pick of the Finnish model, the Swiss model, even the Japanese model to build on; all produce better outcomes at lower cost.
My sense is that ongoing Congressional dysfunction that uses the complexity as an excuse will eventually lead to the emergence of countervailing power and nasty turf wars. Mozambique is a case in point, 2/3 of the national budget comes from international donors. It should be straightforward then how the money is spent...so much for infrastructure, so much for teacher salaries, so much for health programs, etc. Indeed, the donor community even drafts the national budget. There is a layer of complexity added with the donor demand for progress in fighting corruption. If anything, Mozambique is more corrupt than it was after the return of multiparty government. If the Democrats want legislative success, they need to return the the KISS rule they learned in 8th grade English class.
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bill
January 30, 2010 9:38 AM
The Democrats ('led' by Obama's willingness to placate the insurance and pharmaceutical industries) have completely eliminated the only option (single payer) that would bring down prices and extend coverage. Simultaneously, the Democrats have lost their own base and lost many independents who understood the single payer option to be the most advantageous.
The 'Tea Party' movement was in large part instigated to crush open debate, discussion and dialogue about the real options, and Obama and the Dems (as predicted by the Repubs) were to timid to confront demogogary (spelling?) with the facts.
The results were predictable.
Here's a piece written in Jan 2010 “A mere seven months ago (that would be around June 2009), The New York Times/CBS poll found that 72% of Americans ‘supported a government-administered insurance plan—something like Medicare for those under 65—that would compete for customers with private insurers.’”
Now, if the Democrats can truly find the courage to vote for what the citizens actually want, then they are on their way to re-election. HurraY!
(“Courage”? Is that what it takes to vote for what the citizens want? courage? Wow, the corporations then do truly have them by the what do you call 'ems.)
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Tanjaoui
January 30, 2010 6:49 PM in reply to bill
If it were passed by reconciliation it would expire, but would no doubt prove popular. So I don't seem Congress letting it expire. They'd renew funding by popular demand.
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bluebell
January 30, 2010 11:15 AM
And for all those so excited about taxing union plans to try to force folks into plans with bigger co-pays to discourage care, The NEJM publishes a piece this month on how this can backfire into higher hospital admissions at least among the elderly. So maybe we better think 2 or 3 times before we allow the beancounters to dictate healthCARE.
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/362/4/320
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kgb999
January 31, 2010 5:00 AM in reply to bluebell
The problem isn't with bean counters per se. The problem is with letting the same bean counter propose the plan, act as a consultant to craft the plan, and then serve as the primary (only) independent analysis of the plan.
Great way to (a) craft shit policy and (b) leave the political flank wide open to attack.
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Alan in SF
January 30, 2010 11:51 AM
You forgot the part where Obama took the only elements that would actually reform health care off the table before the process even started, and from there on worked on making the most complex, irrational, wasteful health care system in the world even more so.
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JorgeOrwell
January 30, 2010 11:59 AM
This article is the most sterile explanation I have ever seen on the issue.
Chuck Todd couldn't have written a more obvious script of events. Trust me, that AIN'T a compliment.
I have a more plausible explanation. Too many in Congress never wanted REAL reform. Why would they? There is waaaaay too much pharma and insurance money on the line.
And now with the latest Supreme Court ruling (yeah, I SPELLED it!), things are only gonna get worse.
And we only have ourselves to blame for believing empty suits with no track records of populism.
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bluebell
January 30, 2010 12:15 PM
Then we have Snowe talking to Dems about a mega sell out - throw a bone at small business and let insurane companies sell across state lines (goodbye to all regulation we have in Minnesota). We've done mortgage fraud, why not health insurance fraud? Remove the regs, sell across state lines.
"We know that for small businesses that it could work, opening up the competitive flood gates for small businesses to have affordable plans."
Whoa, yes, remove those competitive flood gates. Let those cut-rate insurance plans flow like Katrina.
http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0110/Snowe_talking_to_Dems.html?showall
Whether they are Republicans or Democrats, there are no more dangerous people in Washington than "moderates".
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Tanjaoui
January 30, 2010 6:57 PM in reply to bluebell
I'm beginning to feel the same way. Great article by Luke Mitchell giving a pretty good overview of the Senate bill:
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/12/0082740
From the same article:
"The contemporary form of moderation, however, simply assumes government growth (i.e., intervention), which occurs under both parties, and instead concerns itself with balancing the regulatory interests of various campaign contributors. The interests of the insurance companies are moderated by the interests of the drug manufacturers, which in turn are moderated by the interests of the trial lawyers and perhaps even by the interests of organized labor, and in this way the locus of competition is transported from the marketplace to the legislature. The result is that mediocre trusts secure the blessing of government sanction even as they avoid any obligation to serve the public good. Prices stay high, producers fail to innovate, and social inequities remain in place."
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Alex Carson
January 31, 2010 7:46 AM in reply to bluebell
Why would consumers pick insurance companies which are fraudsters? Do you really think the average American is such a dolt they will pick the company which offers the worst coverage and has a history of fraud? Right now, some do, because they don't have a choice, due to lack of interstate competition and the anti-trust exemption they have but a few bad choices. Maybe you like it that way.
Mortgage fraud was based on speculation in the housing market or mis-representation of home values.
The meaningful regulation Minnesota has is eliminating health care under-writing. That means, insurance companies cannot deny people based on pre-existing conditions. Secondly, MN does not allow companies to drop people once they get sick. Federal regulations will do both of those things as well, even the weak senate bill has stricter regulations that Minnesota does.
I don't understand why health insurance across state lines is a disaster anymore than life insurance, car insurance, home insurance, unemployment insurance or any other form of insurance is a disaster.
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jward
January 30, 2010 12:41 PM
This article seems to have the most up-to-date info. about what Congress is going to do now:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/28/reid.pelosi.health.care/
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JorgeOrwell
January 30, 2010 2:55 PM in reply to jward
Same gridlock, different corporate media outlet.
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Atomist
January 31, 2010 11:30 AM in reply to jward
This seems to provide a somewhat more optimistic view.
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destor23
January 30, 2010 5:26 PM
You Forgot #9: Actual liberals! You know, people who don't think that giving private insurers a subsidy that, over time, will rival the TARP payments to banks, counts as real reform.
The calculus of health reform was so simple. You already pay a premium to an insurance company. It is too high. The benefits you get for that premium are too stingy. We will lower you premium, giving you more money in your pocket and we will make the benefits more generous so you know that the system you pay for will try to save your life as if you're a billionaire.
Any health reform that doesn't lower premium costs while increasing benefits isn't really health reform.
Insuring the uninsured is only part of the deal. More for less for the majority was and is essential.
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Tanjaoui
January 30, 2010 7:01 PM
Socialize Medicine! VA Health Care for all!
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bill
January 30, 2010 7:21 PM
The Democrats ('led' by Obama's willingness to placate the insurance and pharmaceutical industries) have completely eliminated the only option that would bring down prices and extend coverage. Simultaneously, the Democrats have lost their own base and lost many independents who understood the single payer option to be the most advantageous. The 'Tea Party' movement was in large part instigated to crush open debate, discussion and dialogue about the real options, and Obama and the Dems (as predicted by the Repubs) were to timid to confront demogogary (spelling?) with the facts.
The results were predictable.
Here's a piece written in Jan 2010 “A mere seven months ago (that would be around June 2009), The New York Times/CBS poll found that 72% of Americans ‘supported a government-administered insurance plan—something like Medicare for those under 65—that would compete for customers with private insurers.’”
Now, if the Democrats can truly find the courage to vote for what the citizens actually want, then they are on their way to re-election. HurraY!
(“Courage”? Is that what it takes to vote for what the citizens want? courage? Wow, the corporations then do truly have them by the what do you call 'ems.)
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Wrascly_Rasputin
January 31, 2010 2:38 AM in reply to bill
*The Democrats ('led' by Obama's willingness to placate the insurance and pharmaceutical industries) have completely eliminated the only option that would bring down prices and extend coverage.*
Bing! Bing! Bill has called it.
It's incredible that TPM gets their back-story as wrong-headed as the health care reform effort was.
Bing!
Did anyone notice, does anyone friggin' remember, that the town hall debates began without any reform plan in existence? Sounds like bad idea, right? (And wow, even TPM's backstory article couldn't mention *this* factor, WTF)
Well, the substance of the "reform" has involved the carrion birds sitting down to re-divide the carcass they'd already been feeding on. What that meant was that the shape of bill going to be an unwieldy exercise in giving anything to any special interest with a big enough mouth. And so the whole thing phone-book-sized-thing just could not be sold or explained explained to the average person. Thus the Tea Party wackos had a field day.
US health care cost are twice that of an average industrialized nation and rising quickly. 'Cause health care is the only remaining racket now that mortgages have tanked. Why did the final bill have no cost controls but still force every American citizen to buy health insurance? Well, that brings more money into the racket. Sure, it promised government money to pay also. Notice a pattern? (Don't get me started on The New Yorker's lying article about cost controls...)
The biggest thing is that Obama could have used the Presidency as a "Bully Pulpit" to consistently and clearly push for a workable plan long before he had congress start anything. He could have built up a head of steam for ANY sane, progressive plan but his approach taking whatever the plutocrats wanted. You can draw your own conclusions.
(I know the excuse was "we want to be everything the Clinton plan wasn't" but that somehow doesn't seem like insightful analysis to me)
And uh, and Kaiser's CFO was writing how the bill should still be passed over at health blogs. Dude, I have news for you... This is one bill that has out-"carefully-crafted" itself and I just feel numb and angry about the whole thing.
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CoyneLane
January 30, 2010 8:10 PM
Please pay him the respect he is due by correcting the caption to the pictures to identify him as the late Sen. Kennedy rather than former Sen. Kennedy.
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rootless_e
January 30, 2010 9:06 PM
the idea that there was a winning strategy to shepherd a decent bill through House and Senate is ridiculous. Sanders says: Congress is owned by financial/insurance companies and that's obvious. There is no simple strategy to deal with this, but Obama was not helped by a "progressive" poutosphere that was all whine all the time from day one. Instead of pushing congress, what is supposed to be our "wurlitzer" spent months divining whether Obama had failed to mention public option some day and coming up with crackpot advice, delivered in the form of increasingly rancid demands.
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DA in LA
January 31, 2010 12:22 AM in reply to rootless_e
I enjoy your baby-like response to what you consider to be "whining."
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rootless_e
January 30, 2010 9:09 PM
The key to the Republican strategy from day 1 was to muddy things up enough so that their massive PR blitz to discourage the public would give corrupt Dem legislators cover to bolt. And what did the Genius PR "progressives" do? Why they volunteered to lead the assault.
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DA in LA
January 31, 2010 12:23 AM in reply to rootless_e
Maybe dumber than your previous comment, but it's close. Definitely bitter and useless.
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ft
January 30, 2010 11:34 PM
The montage didn't blame Nadler, Grivalja, or Barney Frank. Time heals all wounds.
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Leftflank
January 31, 2010 12:05 AM
This is definitely a love/hate relationship. These guys rubbing it in Obamas' nose every chance they get aren't helping. If you expect perfection, you're setting yourself up for disappointment.
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oleeb
January 31, 2010 1:15 AM
Thee number one single worst decision was the one Obama stupidly made prior to any of the debate and that was to take Medicare for All off the table. Why is this the single worst decision? Because if you take your strongest negotiating position off the table in advance, the best you can end up with is a compromised compromise and that sucks. We started the debate better than halfway toward defeat and then we are surprised when the idiot Democrats were allowed to do their thing with virtually no leadership or direction from the White House? Who you trying to kid anyway? C'mon now! Don't make me laugh!
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kgb999
January 31, 2010 5:50 AM in reply to oleeb
I see it rather differently. I see the WH driving this whole mess. Obama's limp-wristed public statements were to create the illusion of distance.
By all accounts Rham has been brutal, as have been the the WH "leaks". If there is a leak from an "administration official" in this administration, that's the same thing as an official statement. It's usually Rham but sometimes Axelrod (the press corps had a mini-rebellion and outed the whole game a few months ago).
IMO, Obama usurped both Reid and Pelosi by going direct with select members of the caucus and making deals. This is a clusterfuck born of DLC-style triangulation.
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oleeb
January 31, 2010 11:16 AM in reply to kgb999
Yes they were active, but only on those aspects they had a stake in. They allowed the morons like Baucus to cut their own side deals and bargains making a bad situation much, much worse.
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Indie Pro
February 1, 2010 10:32 AM in reply to kgb999
Yes.
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awood3
January 31, 2010 8:53 AM
Despite all the mistakes, delay etc. this is still an historic moment. President Obama's performance this week @ the SOTU and the Republican conference shifts the momentum slightly back our way, and opens a narrow "window of opportunity" to still get something significant done. But the President's words must be followed by meaningful and immediate action: Pass the Senate bill and then fix it as best you can in reconciliation (Medicare at 50 or 55, increase Medicaid to 200% of poverty, expand community health centers, ensure meaningful competition in the exchanges to keep rates down etc). This may have to be accomplished the old fashioned "LBJ" way.
It was disappointing to hear the President's encouragement on health care in the SOTU and then immediately read that (some of) his aides are backtracking and sending mixed signals. This issue is so important, why can't the White House and the Congressional Democrats exhibit strong, united and consistent leadership and get this passed, using all the power at their disposal? This could be Harry Reid's legacy. Be bold, have courage and do the right thing for once. Millions of Americans will be helped and untold lives saved with Health Care reform. It could help keep the Democrats in power for a generation.
This is a moral issue. Many of the people in "Washington bubble" simply don't understand the insecurity, suffering and hardship being experienced by many of their fellow Americans right now on account of our dysfunctional and unfair health care system.
On this issue what is good policy is also good politics. If the Democrats enact health care reform, flawed though it is, it will improve their prospects in the fall to retain control of both houses and then hopefully come back in future sessions and keep improving it. If they fail they will be wiped out and it will be many years before meaningful reform can be enacted, while in the meantime health care costs take an ever-increasing and ultimately unsustainable share of GDP, crippling our economy all the while.
I must say that I admire Speaker Pelosi immensely. She has proceeded in good faith, stood firm and shown a true commitment to progressive values. I believe that the House passed the best and most progressive bill possible given the political realities.
We have to deal with the unfortunate situation we find ourselves in. Would that our Democrats in Washington find the courage and moral fiber to take advantge of this soon-to-expire opportunity to do something good for the American people regardless of the political consequences, much as a few brave Southern Democrats did back in the Civil Rights era.
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henk
January 31, 2010 9:25 AM
I know we are supposed to be looking forward and not backward, placing blame does no good, we are where we are, so I am not going to do that. To make sure it doesn't happen again though, I have some questions. When this started didn't someone somewhere stop to think that they might not have 60 votes? Given the Republicans refusal to allow anything through didn't is seem obvious to anyone that they would need them? Joe Lieberman was someone they were counting on so you'd think one of these geniuses would have had some plan that wouldn't require it. Plan B, perhaps?
Supposedly Emanuel was one of those geniuses.When Emanuel was selected Chief of Staff I remember reading this:
"Rahm Emanuel is known for his deep Washington savvy and no-holds-barred approach to politics." One of the jobs of Chief of Staff is to "Negotiate with Congress, other members of the executive branch, and extra governmental political groups to implement the President's agenda."
So, either health care reform, actually we now have health "insurance" reform, is not on the Presidents agenda, or the quote, and others, about Emanuel's effectiveness have been greatly exaggerated.
He did do well on getting Bernanki confirmed so maybe health care reform, at least as most of us envisioned it, wasn't really all that important to this White House. Of course the political fallout of NOT getting it done certainly is.
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awood3
January 31, 2010 10:12 AM in reply to henk
You're right about the political consequences of NOT getting it done, it'll be 1994 all over again....the whole progressive agenda, not just health care, will go out the window....so it seems like it should be a no-brainer to GET IT DONE NOW......that's what I don't understand about the White House's less than "full hands on deck" approach to this issue....
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Altgeld
January 31, 2010 11:31 AM in reply to awood3
This may be one time Obama has learned from history. Obama couldn't learn from Johnson's mistakes in Vietnam. He didn't learn from the Savings and Loan fiasco that bank bailouts without improving regulation is the next financial meltdown. He didn't learn the lessons of 1932 when he traded away half of the stimulus package for Olympia Snowe' useless tax cut. He hasn't learned the lesson of 1937 that cutting spending too soon is bad strategy in a deep recession. He didn't learn from Bill Clinton that the Republicans only goal is to stop the government from doing anything - passing healtcare, regulating banks, confirming appointeess or judges. The one lesson Obama has learned from history is that a Democratic President who can't pass any laws might get reelected by protecting the public from Republicans who take control of Congress in the midterm elections.
It's time to stop blaming Rahm Emmanuel for Obama's decisions. Henry Clay said he would rather be right than be President. Obama has shown that he cares more about being applauded by David Broder for bipartisanship than passing healthcare. Not fighting for healthcare is the Obama plan.
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Owen
January 31, 2010 11:08 AM
This is not all Pelosi's fault, but it's a good enough excuse to replace her in as polite a way as possible. She was competent as the head of the House opposition to Bush, but now even Dems don't like her and she is not up to the troubles facing today's Congress.
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fbacon2
January 31, 2010 11:24 AM
Here's a question: why is this story fronting TPM all weekend?
At the very least, it's rubbing salt in wounds. At the worst, it is depressing morale and consigning health care to defeat when we should be rallying the troops to PassTheDamnBill.
I'd think Obama's performance at the GOP retreat on Friday would be more entertaining, more uplifting, and a better traffic driver.
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bk
January 31, 2010 11:34 AM
TPM is hashing over OLD news. I believe that Health care will pass and it's articles like this that are NOT helpful. Why can't you write something that will encourage our leaders to pass meaningful reform, instead of bashing them and expecting them to fail?????
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rootless_e
January 31, 2010 11:42 AM
The "progressive" analysis is crafted in blissful ignorance of the mechanics of US politics and the recent history of the interaction of Democratic Presidents and Congress. It's as if Shelby giving Clinton the finger and prospering as a Republican or Moynihan double-crossing both Clinton and Carter didn't happen. It's as if the infrastructure of the Chamber of Commerce through Club for Growth that keeps Republicans in line did not exist, as if LBJ passed civil rights without Republican votes, as if Obama had some magical powers that he was, for unknown reasons, stubbornly refusing to unleash.
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inokeah
January 31, 2010 12:26 PM
James O'Keefe was trying to show how the Democrates are not answering the telephone in their offices. When you cant talk to the person responsable the voters get mad.
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farnsworth
January 31, 2010 10:17 PM in reply to inokeah
Not only are you a liar, but you are stupid too.
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stevelaudig
January 31, 2010 12:32 PM
"eckless" is the word stem for the day. Reckless [R] and feckless [D]. It has been a nice demonstration on how major u.s. political institutions fail when they are most needed [or are time bombs waiting to go off and we should be rid of them] The Electoral College failed in 2000; The Supreme court failed in 2000; the Senate failed in 2009. The college needs to go. the senate needs to go the way of the house of lords and the Supreme Court needs to be term limited.
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JohnMcCSF
January 31, 2010 2:03 PM
#epicunderstatement
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jsdc007
January 31, 2010 2:25 PM
I maxed out on my donations to the Dems in 2008, and then faithfully contributed to them in 2009 for the VA Gubernatorial and MA Senatorial races. After the MA debacle, I've told the DNC - as well as friends on the Hill who work for Dems - that I'm cutting them off until I see some cohesion and sense of urgency. I think others should do the same. What good are these people if they can't deliver even with super majorities? I'd be better off registering as a Republican and vote in their primaries to help elect a liberal to moderate Republican who can buck his/her party leadership.
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jimby
January 31, 2010 2:29 PM
The congress is bought and paid for. I don't believe the dems wanted the Health Care Initiative to succeed.
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Doomer252
January 31, 2010 4:59 PM
Kinda gloomy.
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bill
January 31, 2010 7:27 PM
Here's a piece written in Jan 2010 “A mere seven months ago (that would be around June 2009), The New York Times/CBS poll found that 72% of Americans ‘supported a government-administered insurance plan—something like Medicare for those under 65—that would compete for customers with private insurers.’”
Now, if the Democrats can truly find the courage to vote for what the citizens actually want, then they are on their way to re-election. HurraY!
1. Decision - Ignore previous Republican crimes, misdemeanors and profligacy – tax cuts for the wealthy: Constituencies - Republican voters and Republican Senators and Representatives he hoped would become ‘bi-partisan’.
2. Decision - Support a stingy stimulus that was half of what was needed and included one-thirds tax breaks, increasing the deficit and further reducing the stimulus to one-third of what was needed: Constituencies – Wealthy investors, special interests.
3. Decision - Kill the only option that would have slowed the cost of health care & led to universal coverage – $ 753 Billions : Constituencies - Health insurance and pharmacy industries.
4. Decision - Accelerate the Bush bailout, $ 4.3 Trillions in bailouts, guarantees and purchasing assets from the private sector at well above market value: Constituency - Financial industry and banks.
5. Decision - Escalate a meaningless and fruitless war, $600 Billions: Constituencies - military and corporate mercenaries.
6. Decision - Gut real financial reform and substitute finger wagging and silly taxes and fees, while banking fees continue up, lending freezes and credit tightens - $UNK Billions: Constituencies - financial industry and the wealthy.
7. Decision - Not help people with bankruptcy and mortgages remediation – accelerating middle class decline: Constituencies - financial industry, banks and wealthy. and
8. Decision - Fiddle around and not pass a jobs bill – accelerating middle class decline (Already spent to much money, cut taxes and increased the deficit – so, sorry, no money for the middle class and American voters): Constituencies: Wealthy and Republicans.
Obama’s constituencies are the health insurance and pharmacy industry, military-mercenary complex, the financial industry and banks, and the wealthy.
Obama’s policies have continued to transfer America’s wealth from middle class families to corporations and the wealth, just as the pseudo-reform bill would do.
Why has Obama lost the support of the voters? Based on the decisions Obama has made, these appear to be the reasons for the lose:
1. Republicans are better off with real Republicans, hence support Republican voters is all but gone;
2. Independents, who wanted change, see the status quo protected and coddled, hence Independents have retreated from support for Obama and the Dems;
3. Democrats see a so-called Democratic White House and so-called Democratic Congress working to continue and accelerate the transfer of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy, hence they have no reason to support Obama and his allies in Congress.
Obama has made decisions that have hurt most Americans, and, he is either:
1. Oblivious,
2. Doesn’t care,
3. Surrounded himself with advisors up to their eyeballs in the status quo and/or self-interested,
4. Erroneously assumed the military-mercenary, health insurance-pharmaceutical, financial-banking industries and wealthy constituencies would remain loyal and rescue him from troubles.
It’s easy to understand why Obama’s ratings and his ‘agenda’ have been broadly rejected and Democrats have lost majority support. The pseudo-reform bill is simply one more example of trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the voters. Get real O and start leading the public interest.
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jim43
January 31, 2010 7:54 PM
It doesn't have to be this way. Scott Brown is not sworn in yet, and reconciliation is a perfectly acceptable way to pass legislation. Dems are making calculated decisions to lose on health care.
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog
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sweetpb307
January 31, 2010 10:15 PM
Bet you wont see this in the head lines, cause none are fair and balance, just a personal opinion, i really wish others would go back to reading a little.
A very productive Congress, despite what the approval ratings say
By Norman Ornstein
Sunday, January 31, 2010; B02
When President Obama urged lawmakers during his State of the Union speech to work with him on "restoring the public trust," he was hardly going out on a limb. The Congress he was addressing is one of the least popular in decades. Barely a quarter of Americans approve of the job it's doing, according to the latest Gallup/USA Today poll, while 58 percent said it was below average or one of the worst ever, according to an NBC/Wall Street Journal survey last month.
It's not hard to find reasons why Americans are down on Capitol Hill, and why President Obama's approval rating has dropped below 50 percent in many polls. A year into the 111th Congress, unemployment remains at 10 percent, and many Americans are struggling to get by -- even as they've watched Congress bail out banks and coddle the same bankers now salivating over massive new bonuses. At the same time, the public has had a front-row seat to the always messy legislative process on health care and other issues, and this past year that process has been messier, more rancorous and more partisan than at any point in modern memory.
There seems to be little to endear citizens to their legislature or to the president trying to influence it. It's too bad, because even with the wrench thrown in by Republican Scott Brown's election in Massachusetts, this Democratic Congress is on a path to become one of the most productive since the Great Society 89th Congress in 1965-66, and Obama already has the most legislative success of any modern president -- and that includes Ronald Reagan and Lyndon Johnson. The deep dysfunction of our politics may have produced public disdain, but it has also delivered record accomplishment.
The productivity began with the stimulus package, which was far more than an injection of $787 billion in government spending to jump-start the ailing economy. More than one-third of it -- $288 billion -- came in the form of tax cuts, making it one of the largest tax cuts in history, with sizable credits for energy conservation and renewable-energy production as well as home-buying and college tuition. The stimulus also promised $19 billion for the critical policy arena of health-information technology, and more than $1 billion to advance research on the effectiveness of health-care treatments.
Education Secretary Arne Duncan has leveraged some of the stimulus money to encourage wide-ranging reform in school districts across the country. There were also massive investments in green technologies, clean water and a smart grid for electricity, while the $70 billion or more in energy and environmental programs was perhaps the most ambitious advancement in these areas in modern times. As a bonus, more than $7 billion was allotted to expand broadband and wireless Internet access, a step toward the goal of universal access.
Any Congress that passed all these items separately would be considered enormously productive. Instead, this Congress did it in one bill. Lawmakers then added to their record by expanding children's health insurance and providing stiff oversight of the TARP funds allocated by the previous Congress. Other accomplishments included a law to allow the FDA to regulate tobacco, the largest land conservation law in nearly two decades, a credit card holders' bill of rights and defense procurement reform.
The House, of course, did much more, including approving a historic cap-and-trade bill and sweeping financial regulatory changes. And both chambers passed their versions of a health-care overhaul. Financial regulation is working its way through the Senate, and even in this political environment it is on track for enactment in the first half of this year. It is likely that the package of job-creation programs the president showcased on Wednesday, most of which got through the House last year, will be signed into law early on as well.
Most of this has been accomplished without any support from Republicans in either the House or the Senate -- an especially striking fact, since many of the initiatives of the New Deal and the Great Society, including Social Security and Medicare, attracted significant backing from the minority Republicans.
How did it happen? Democrats, perhaps recalling the disasters of 1994, when they failed to unite behind Bill Clinton's agenda in the face of uniform GOP opposition, came together. Obama's smoother beginning and stronger bonds with congressional leaders also helped.
But even with robust majorities, Democratic leaders deserve great credit for these achievements. Democratic ideologies stretch from the left-wing views of Bernie Sanders in the Senate and Maxine Waters in the House to the conservative approach of Ben Nelson in the Senate and Bobby Bright in the House, with every variation in between. Finding 219 votes for climate-change legislation in the House was nothing short of astonishing; getting all 60 Senate Democrats to support any version of major health-care reform, an equal feat. The White House strategy -- applying pressure quietly while letting congressional leaders find ways to build coalitions -- was critical.
Certainly, the quality of this legislative output is a matter of debate. In fact, some voters, including many independents, are down on Congress precisely because they don't like the accomplishments, which to them smack of too much government intervention and excessive deficits. But I suspect the broader public regards this Congress as committing sins of omission more than commission. Before the State of the Union, the stimulus was never really sold in terms of its substantive measures; it just looked like money thrown at a problem in the usual pork-barrel way. And many Americans, hunkering down in bad times, may not accept the notion of "countercyclical" economic policies, in which the government spends more just when citizens are cutting back.
Most of the specific new policies -- such as energy conservation and protection for public lands -- enjoy solid and broad public support. But many voters discount them simply because they were passed or proposed by unpopular lawmakers. In Massachusetts, people who enthusiastically support their state's health-care system were hostile to the very similar plan passed by Congress. Why? Because it was a product of Congress.
Well before Sen.-elect Brown's Bay State upset, it was clear that a sterling legislative record in the first half of the 111th Congress did not guarantee continuing action in 2010 or beyond. And now, Democrats' success at keeping 59 senators in line means little if they cannot find someone on the other side willing to become vote No. 60. With Republicans ebullient over the Massachusetts election, the likelihood is that they will feel vindicated in their "just say no" strategy, Obama's leadership lectures notwithstanding.
If the midterm elections in November turn out to be more like 1994, when Democrats got hammered, than 1982, when Republicans suffered a less costly blow, the GOP will probably be emboldened to double down on its opposition to everything, trying to bring the Obama presidency to its knees on the way to 2012. That would mean real gridlock in the face of a serious crisis. Given the precarious coalitions in our otherwise dysfunctional politics, we could go quickly from one of the most productive Congresses in our lifetimes to the most obstructionist.
And voters would probably like that even less.
Norman Ornstein is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and the co-author of "The Broken Branch: How Congress is Failing America and How to Get It Back on Track."
washingtonpost.com
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