It is now evident to House leadership that their plan to amend the Senate health care bill and toss it back over to the upper chamber for final passage has been scuttled. Members of the House Democratic caucus are wandering far off the reservation, and the longer that persists, the more difficult it will be for leadership to pull them back into the corral.
In an attempt to regain control over an increasingly chaotic situation, leadership will hold a caucus meeting this afternoon*, and at stake could be the fate of the reform drive that has eaten most of the first year of Barack Obama's presidency.
To right the course, they'll have to convince rank and file members--but particularly progressives, who are now in full revolt--that success is still possible, half measures won't do, and failure is not an option. Given what members are saying, though, that won't be easy.
"What probably would be the best, at least from my perspective, for us to do, the best thing on health care, is to send pieces of the program -- pass them here, send them to the senate. Let the American people digest this bit by bit, bite by bite, because it is a very full plate and it's very complicated," said Rep. John Yarmuth (D-KY)
Yarmuth's sentiments were echoed by Rep. Bill Delahunt (D-MA). "I think what we're going to have to do is do it on an incremental basis," Delahunt said. "There are aspects of both bills that have broad support. Some of it bipartisan. I think we take those measures, bring them to the floor and vote on them, and explain them."
Last night, Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY) told reporters, "When you have successful things like the public option, where the public grabs it and the White House walks away from it, you know sometimes I think that to some degree this outcome wasn't that unexpected."
Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-AZ), co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus says there's not much chance the Senate bill can pass on its own, and would like to see the entire reform process rerouted through the budget reconciliation process.
An aide to a progressive member echoes these sentiments. "This could be a golden opportunity in stemming the tea party tide," the aide said.
Come out and simply say "We get it." Admit people are angry, they thought it was too much. Come back with a cheaper, leaner, and tougher bill that jettisons the idiotic deal with PhRMA that we never should have made, throw in the tough insurance reforms that everyone agrees with (rescissions, preexisting conditions, antitrust reform, annual and lifetime caps), add some subsidies for small businesses and the truly poor. Then throw in drug reimportation and Medicare negotiating for lower drug prices as a modest cost control measure. No more backroom deals with Ben Nelson or Joe Lieberman. No union payoffs. Then we bring it to the floor and dare Republicans to vote against it.If we do this we can still get something worthwhile. We can tell our angry, progressive base that we tried, we really tried to give them comprehensive reform that we promised, but the Republicans that are beholden to the drug and insurance companies killed it. And we tell the Tea Partiers and independents that we listened to them and came back with a bill that they wanted from the beginning. If Republicans vote against the new bill, I can picture the ads in November and they will be devastating. If they vote for it, we get credit for salvaging some modest, but real reform. And it's something we can build on going forward.
That's a wide array of opinion, and disgruntled members will likely have to be placated in a significant, and tangible way if reform is to survive. We should know soon how and whether Democrats find a fix.
*Late update: Democrats have canceled their caucus meeting, originally scheduled for this afternoon. Instead, leaders will meet with key, disgruntled members individually, in the hopes of shoring up for health care reform. The caucus meeting has been rescheduled for 9 a.m. tomorrow morning.

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i said GOOD DAY sir
January 20, 2010 12:40 PM
There is ONE option. Pass the Senate bill and fix the rest in reconciliation.
Anything else is just ridiculous.
I cannot believe that this is progressives making this case.
There is ONE roll call vote between us and health care reform. ONE roll call vote. If they fuck that up, I am never helping a Democrat again.
And don't dare blame this on the GOP. They have 250+ members in the House. Get it done.
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Steaming Pile
January 20, 2010 1:03 PM in reply to i said GOOD DAY sir
THIS.
You have a bill. All you need is one lousy stinking roll call vote to send it to the President. After that, anything you can do to improve it can either be passed by reconciliation, meaning 51 votes will suffice, or it will be such no-brainer stuff that the Republicans will look simply idiotic trying to filibuster it, then explaining to people how they know the HCR law sucks in a, b, and c ways, and they like it that way.
Of course, you won't sway senators who serve people who are equally idiotic, but you might sway people like Olympia Snowe, whose constituents probably aren't quite as stupid as those in, say, Kentucky.
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Steaming Pile
January 20, 2010 1:06 PM in reply to Steaming Pile
Stupid on average, Bluegrass Staters. If the shoe fits...otherwise, please stay on subject and try not to be outraged over my comment about people who think Mitch McConnell ought to have a commemorative stamp with his face on it.
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Steaming Pile
January 20, 2010 1:07 PM in reply to Steaming Pile
One day, when he passes away of old age. Put down the phone; Homeland Security has better things to do.
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masanf
January 20, 2010 2:02 PM in reply to Steaming Pile
Someone just handed you a show that had "ignorant bigot" written on it. I hear it fits quite well.
Statements like the one from the jackass to whom I am replying prove, as if any more proof was needed, that the notion the left is somehow more tolerant is a big steaming pile of bullshit.
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masanf
January 20, 2010 2:03 PM in reply to masanf
That should read shoe, not show in the first sentence.
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Skybolt
January 20, 2010 2:57 PM in reply to masanf
Tolerance requires being intolerant of the intolerant. So shut up.
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wbgonne
January 20, 2010 1:12 PM in reply to i said GOOD DAY sir
Well, I beg to differ. The bill is a dead loser in every direction. Let it go down. Move on to something else. Start fresh and do things right this time.
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Darrius
January 20, 2010 1:44 PM in reply to i said GOOD DAY sir
I'm in full agreement. There is only ONE option. Pass the Senate bill immediately. Then fix it as we go.
The other option is to GIVE ONE IF NOT BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS TO THE REPUBLICANS IN NOVERMBER.
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Cal Gal
January 20, 2010 4:53 PM in reply to i said GOOD DAY sir
Abso-friggin-loutely.
My representative is co-chair of the Progressive Caucus and I emailed her earlier today to say "Just hold your nose and DO IT"
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MikeRayinBerkeley
January 21, 2010 2:04 AM in reply to Cal Gal
How about wipe your nose, and do it, you sniveling fools. Rage is what I feel now. I have seen more courage in a classroom full of 2nd graders. Pass the fucking bill you egomaniacal faux celebrity hacks. To hear these idiotic comments about messaging based on some "I dare you" trap for Republicans just makes me sick. Grow up you assholes.
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foxtrotsky
January 20, 2010 6:40 PM in reply to i said GOOD DAY sir
I agree, except on the order.
As David Waldman pointed out this morning, bills become law in the order that the President signs them, not in the order that they're passed by Congress.
We should also remember that there is no deadline (except the seating of the new Congress) for passing the Senate bill -- the House can pass it even after Brown is seated.
This means we can move HCR fixes through reconciliation -- and have both houses pass them -- before the House agrees to vote on the current Senate bill. Then Obama signs them in the right order (current Senate bill, then the reconciliation bill) and we can all walk off the field high-fiving one another.
So I agree with you, except I'd say, "Fix the rest in reconciliation, then pass the Senate bill." That way the House retains its leverage.
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Fritz
January 20, 2010 11:04 PM in reply to i said GOOD DAY sir
"Good Day Sir" has it right. The House has to pass the Senate bill ASAP. And, it should be done BEFORE the State of the Union address. If the Democrats can't get this done, what was the point of electing them?
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inokeah
January 21, 2010 12:53 AM in reply to i said GOOD DAY sir
Ms Nancy is acting like the realestate agent that signs up a family to buy a home mortgage without allowing them to read about the 'Baloon Payment' after a few years.
Some on this blog think that this is fine and dandy. Other know the reality is not good and it is going to turn out bad.
She is depending on lots of stupid people, not like the voters in Massachusetts.
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johnmccsf
January 20, 2010 12:48 PM
My Congresswoman
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SchrodingersCat
January 20, 2010 12:54 PM
If the house Dems are going to throw their hands up in the air and walk away from this because ONE senate seat was lost by a lousy candidate who ran a lousy campaign, then I'm through. Seriously. I'm tired of spineless Dems who run for cover at the first sign of Cantor or Boehnor saying "Boo!". Is it too much to ask for someone, ANYONE to stand up and fight? Why the f*** isn't Obama doing this? I've sat back and justified and defended every compromise this past year and for what....THIS? Complete surrender?
Do they think that if they walk away now the repubs won't attack them? Aren't we now back to Josh's bitch-slap theory of politics?
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Steaming Pile
January 20, 2010 1:11 PM in reply to SchrodingersCat
And finally, THIS.
If they think punting HCR because Scott Brown won Ted Kennedy's Senate seat is a good idea, they're too stupid to be Members of Congress. Period.
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johnmccsf
January 20, 2010 12:56 PM
Ezra Klein
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geofu54
January 20, 2010 1:03 PM in reply to johnmccsf
Exactly what Ezra said.
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SchrodingersCat
January 20, 2010 1:19 PM in reply to johnmccsf
It was a spot-on post by Ezra. It needs to be read by every Dem member of Congress, everyone at the WH, and everyone at the DNC.
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IndyLinda
January 20, 2010 1:34 PM in reply to SchrodingersCat
You said it, mister.
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Sagae
January 20, 2010 2:13 PM in reply to johnmccsf
I agree with Ezra Klein, too. What would I be voting for? The $780 billion/year war and Pentagon spending?
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DSL
January 20, 2010 12:58 PM
Breaking the bill into bite size pieces sounds great, but...
If you need to go back to committee, it will takes months.
Many of the bite size pieces can't go through reconciliation, so the Senate Republicans will filibuster almost every piece.
Republicans don't want Democrats to have any successes. They smell blood. They think they can stop everything and win in Nov.
Even the best sounding pieces will be filibustered. Republicans will say we're rushing, the details are bad, or we skipped committees, we want poison pill amendments.
The House has to pass the Health Care bill, fix it through reconciliation and then sell it and own it and not shy away and promote it like it is the holy grail of 100 years of legislative work.
Oh, and when Health Care is done (and only AFTER), start pushing small little bite sized populous bills one at a time and make the Republicans say no!
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Steaming Pile
January 20, 2010 1:10 PM in reply to DSL
And THIS.
It doesn't matter what it is, how good it is, whether it saves the taxpayers billions of dollars, or even if those savings were somehow passed on to said taxpayers in the form of tax cuts. They'll still filibuster the damn thing. Because they're stupid, obstinate, and just plain mean. They care about getting their way, that is all.
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johnmccsf
January 20, 2010 1:19 PM in reply to DSL
absolutely...the political problem with HCR has been how long the process has taken
Every day that goes by without a bill hurts all Democrats....thus it has been from the very beginning of this process nine long months ago
It's time for the President to get the House mice in line - for their own good
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Indie Pro
January 20, 2010 12:58 PM
We can tell our angry, progressive base that we tried, we really tried to give them comprehensive reform that we promised, but the Republicans that are beholden to the drug and insurance companies killed it.
they want the progressives to pass the bill Obama and Baucus wanted all along, that Obama and Baucus negotiated with Pharma and the insurance industry, but they want to blame it on who? The GOP?
Good lord.
So no thought is goinf to protecting incumbent progressive seats then, as they always do with Blue Dogs? Leadership doesn't think there would be a backlash against progressive and liberal house members?
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Indie Pro
January 20, 2010 1:05 PM in reply to Indie Pro
it isn't that bad of an idea to do a little bit at a time, I guess.
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Darrius
January 20, 2010 1:53 PM in reply to Indie Pro
Its an awful idea. That would take forever and each part would be subject to full debate complete with filibuster considerations. But more than that, IT WOULD STOP DEMS FROM WORKING ON THE ECONOMY.
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Indie Pro
January 20, 2010 2:09 PM in reply to Darrius
they aren't capable of doing MORE THAN ONE THING AT A TIME?
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wbgonne
January 20, 2010 2:13 PM in reply to Indie Pro
Especially if they do it right and don't turn themselves into circus freaks again.
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chuck DC
January 20, 2010 4:19 PM in reply to Indie Pro
many of the same committees would be doing the other work too, so no, they can't do two things at once....
They have pretty much proven they can't even do ONE thing at a time.....
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jkenney
January 20, 2010 1:08 PM in reply to Indie Pro
Yeah, fucking Anthony Weiner is going to lose his seat if he votes for the Senate health care bill because it's not left wing enough. Tell me another one.
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Indie Pro
January 20, 2010 1:11 PM in reply to jkenney
ok, here's one, Kennedy's old seat is going to the GOP.
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wbgonne
January 20, 2010 1:13 PM in reply to Indie Pro
Ted Kennedy's seat to a Republican? Don't be ridiculous that could NEVER happen.
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Indie Pro
January 20, 2010 1:17 PM in reply to wbgonne
check this out, from that quote above from Ezra Klein:
"If Democrats let go of health care, there is no doubt that a demoralized Democratic base will stay home in November. And that's as it should be."
but instead of attacking Ezra for daring to utter such, many around here will be all head nodding and yes, yesing because it is Ezra.
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wbgonne
January 20, 2010 2:00 PM in reply to Indie Pro
Democrats must re-claim their self-respect. They have been acting like burglars trying to do sneaky things in the dark and panicking every time the lights go on. Say it. Believe it. Act on it. Repeat forever.
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Cal Gal
January 20, 2010 4:59 PM in reply to Indie Pro
You're wrong. My head is bobbing because he's CORRECT. Me being one of them. I will NOT vote for Woolsey again if she and her so-called Progressive Caucus allow Health Care Reform to die because the Senate bill isn't perfect.
SEND it to OBAMA.
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cube3u
January 20, 2010 5:31 PM in reply to Indie Pro
You're simply wrong. I'm a Democratic Party member, activist and volunteer with money and time. All of that was halted six months ago for the federal Democrats until healthcare was passed. I am not alone. I will not support or vote for a Democrat at the federal level in any election until healthcare is passed. Period.
Enough. Is. Enough.
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Darrius
January 20, 2010 1:49 PM in reply to Indie Pro
Kennedy wasn't alive to defend the seat. Anthony Weiner is.
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wbgonne
January 20, 2010 2:02 PM in reply to Darrius
Well, if losing Ted Kennedy's seat one year after a Democratic landslide doesn't get your attention nothing will. Dead or alive.
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Steaming Pile
January 20, 2010 1:15 PM in reply to Indie Pro
We can tell our angry, progressive base that we tried, we really tried to give them comprehensive reform that we promised, but the Republicans that are beholden to the drug and insurance companies killed it.
Anyone who thinks our angry, progressive base will buy that load of malarkey needs to put down the bong, step outside, and get some fresh air. I don't buy that, and neither do most of the people posting here.
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freaktown
January 20, 2010 1:03 PM
seems we have two choices: 1)let health care reform die or 2) pass the senate bill as is.
option 1, to me, means democrats are doomed. voters will never ever trust them again. option 2 may not be perfect or even the most desirable but at least it means they will have SOMETHING to show for the last year's worth of energy, work, and political capital they spent to get this far. to get this close, one freakin' vote away, and just to let it die knowing that it will be another generation before we can revisit it, is completely unacceptable and if that happens, i swear, i will never vote for a democrat again. i'd have no reason to.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
January 20, 2010 1:04 PM
One of the worst things about Congressional Democrats, the absolute worst, most destructive, most maddening things, a thing they do that Republicans don't, is treat every major setback as a golden opportunity to be a big, selfish, self-aggrandizing camwhore.
When disaster strikes, the plan for rank and file should be
1) STFU
2) Caucus and decide on a plan
3) Go out and support the plan and keep your doubts private.
But, how can you expect them to do that when all those cameras are there beckoning, singing their siren song of affirmance of how very, very, important each and every one of them is and how utterly right they've been about everything all along and, most of all, give them an illusory chance to fluff their own agenda and enhance their own power?
For that matter, why isn't this simple three step plan part of Leadership's disaster preparedness kit? Why are they always acting like they're making this shit up on the fly, for the very first time, when they have to know this will happen?
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Alex39
January 20, 2010 1:12 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
I 100% agree. Part of the problem is that we're a party of relatively smart people who either understand policy minutely, or like to think they do. And either way it comes to the same thing. When you have a crisis, everyone has an opinion, and everyone starts saying "Well, as I've been trying to tell you guys all along ..."
Whereas when the Republicans have a crisis, they look around in a dumb stupor until one guy says "Get em!" -- at which point everyone says "Yeah, get em! Raar!"
Over the long haul, the dumb approach has real limits. But at moments of crisis, it would be nice to have a little more of it.
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AnswerFrog
January 20, 2010 2:12 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Yeah, I've been wondering why they need to talk at all to the cameras. The smart thing to do would be talk to each other about the plabn, and then come out and talk to the media when that's clear. Then you can spin it the right way.
The I-have-a-desperate-need-to-talk-to-the-media-five-minutes-after-polls-have-closed thing is remarkably stupid and reckless.
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Cal Gal
January 20, 2010 5:04 PM in reply to AnswerFrog
And lest we forget, it was WEINER talking to the cameras that irked LIE-berman enough to kill Medicare expansion.
STFU. Let Nancy talk for you.
Here's hoping she can herd her cats on HCR one more time.
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Frex
January 20, 2010 1:05 PM
Dear Congressional Democrats
Pull your collective heads out of your asses and pass the Senate bill. It sucks, but in many ways so does the House bill and there is no guarantee that a revised bill will be better, as the changes will only be to satisfy special interests.
If you haven't noticed there is 10%+ unemployment and various states are sinking in red ink, get this behind you and focus on getting the economy going again.
Politically you are already fucked and will be beaten with earlier HCR votes, so finish the job, pass the Senate bill and move on.
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dedelste
January 20, 2010 1:13 PM
What kind of "progressive" equates deals with Lieberman and Nelson with "union payoffs," is afraid of the Tea Partiers, and doesn't give a damn about universal health care. These people need to think hard about some of their fundamental assumptions, or STFU and go away.
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lousgirl84
January 20, 2010 1:15 PM
Get on the phones today. That's what I plan to do Also, if you think it would be worth it, OFA is organizing a conference call today. I signed up just to see what they are talking about.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/event/detail/ofaconferencecall/gp8khc
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wbgonne
January 20, 2010 2:05 PM in reply to lousgirl84
I unsubscribed from OFA. But if Obama makes the requisite course corrections, I'd be available again. It's really up to the president. We'll see.
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KC Chef
January 20, 2010 1:17 PM
Voters have spoken and HCR as we know it is dead...get over it.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/1/20/827047/-Voters-Reject-the-Hubris-of-the-Left-and-Right!
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agio
January 20, 2010 1:19 PM
This would be a great idea if it were Jan. 2009, not Jan. 2010.
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Fred In RVA
January 20, 2010 1:25 PM
I sent the following to both of my Senators and a similar message to my Democratic representative. I doubt it will make much difference to these spineless hacks but I gotta try something.
As someone who walked miles in the hot sun of August and the cold rain of October I am deeply disappointed that you and your Democratic colleagues have been unable to complete health care reform. With the recent special election in Massachusetts giving Republicans a 41st seat in the Senate and allowing them to undemocratically halt anything by filibustering it, I am even more deeply disturbed that you and your colleagues may not ever finish health care reform. I have voted in every election since I turned 18 years old and have voted for a Democrat in all but one of those elections. I worked very hard and gave much hard earned money to help elect you and Mr. Obama to your current positions. Should you and your colleagues fail now due to your spinelessness and ineffectiveness, you will be a disgrace to your positions and to your party. The only clear option now is for the House to pass the Senate Health Care bill as is with the understanding that you and your Senate Democratic colleagues will help close the differences through the reconciliation process (a needlessly complicated process necessary because of the ridiculous filibuster rules you and your colleagues continue to support). I strongly urge you to publicly support such a process since it appears to be the only way to pass the responsible and comprehensive health care reform our nation and our Commonwealth so desperately need. Once Mr. Brown is seated in the Senate there will still be 59 US Senators who have already voted for health care reform. Those senators represent states that have a combined population of nearly 230 million, over 74% of the American population. Only the most spineless politician would let the nihilistic Republicans stand in the way of such desperately needed reforms. I strongly urge you to stand up for what Democrats believe in. We have been trying to get comprehensive, universal health care for 60 years and we are inches away from finally passing it. If you stand in the way, you are not worth any more of my time or energy. If we fail to pass health care reform now, Americans will only see this Congress as a dismal failure and it will be another 15 years before anyone tries to reform health care. In the mean time thousand will die each year due to lack of health insurance, billions in additional costs will be added to the national debt due to out of control costs and most likely you and many other Democrats will lose terribly, and deservedly, for failing to do the job that we, your constituents and supporters, sent you to Congress to do. Finish health care reform now!
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L0ngT0m
January 20, 2010 1:51 PM in reply to Fred In RVA
"Comprehensive universal health care?" Are you high?
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OhioGuy
January 20, 2010 1:34 PM
I respect Barney Frank for getting on the phone with people today but has he even thought about what he's saying? We spent all year working on this bill and could pass it but won't because the unions and the abortion advocates aren't on board? That'll go over real well in November.
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Steve LaBonne
January 20, 2010 1:43 PM in reply to OhioGuy
Right, because those people don't vote, especially not in Barney Frank's district. Oh, wait...
The utter political incompetence of mainstream Democrats and their fanboys is stunning to behold. They are the voice and face of the party that can't govern.
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L0ngT0m
January 20, 2010 1:50 PM in reply to OhioGuy
But the bill is a blowjob. It has about 35% support by the public. A Republican just won a senate seat in Massachusetts by bragging that he was going to block it. Why the hell would anybody in their right mind vote to pass it?
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wbgonne
January 20, 2010 2:11 PM in reply to OhioGuy
It was a wasted year. Sad but true. Time to go forward. Let the bill die. Make incremental changes to the health insurance industry. Dare the Republicans to oppose the elimination of pre-exisiting condition exclusions, etc. Do other things. Re-build political capital. Hope to maintain the majorities in Nov. Obama has 3 years to go but he must right the ship immediately. Passing the HCR now under these circumstances will be disastrous for the Dems. They all know it -- from Barney Frank to Evan Bayh.
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cube3u
January 20, 2010 5:39 PM in reply to wbgonne
I disagree. I won't be supporting any Democrat at the federal level until healthcare reforms are made and made quickly. I am fed up with Congress and--here's an eye-opener coming from me--with Obama. I am really ticked off--thoroughly and totally.
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barbara63
January 20, 2010 1:47 PM
Barney Frank's behavior over the last several days has made me reconsider the idea of term limits. I now support them.
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L0ngT0m
January 20, 2010 1:47 PM
I really can't blame House Democrats for not wanting to rush and pass this bill. This entire imbroglio is Obama's fault. A complete failure of leadership, and a failure to appreciate the importance of marketing simple ideas to the public, like say, "expansion of Medicare" and "health insurance reform," and "insurance cost control act."
This bill has been a nightmare from beginning to end, thanks to Obama. It was the wrong strategy and the wrong time to implement it.
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Cal Gal
January 20, 2010 5:08 PM in reply to L0ngT0m
OK, but so what? They've got to play the hand they've been dealt, by Obama, by the Senate, by Joe LIE-berman, by Martha Cokely, by WHOEVER.
They CAN get HCR done. Just pass the damn Senate bill and put it on Obama's desk.
Do not waste ONE MORE MINUTE. Every time either chamber has looked at this thing it has gotten worse.
STOP the BLEEDING. PASS THE BILL>
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cube3u
January 20, 2010 5:41 PM in reply to L0ngT0m
Rush? Are you serious? RUSH? That's simply outrageous since these folks have been moving like molasses in a snowstorm.
It's time to pass the damned bill and it's also time for these fools to STFU except to say "aye".
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Mrs_Norman
January 20, 2010 1:49 PM
I say screw the whole thing! What exactly are we fighting for?! States whose people lack insurance by enormous measures voting in people who vote against their best interest! When states in the north are responsible and take care of their people are the ones left with the burden. I am sick of it! Let their asses suffer some more and then maybe they will finally wake up and see who really is in their corner. No more carrying the bullshit southern load.
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masanf
January 20, 2010 2:03 PM in reply to Mrs_Norman
Christ, would you stupid fucks quit trying to claim that voting against the Democratic Party is voting against one's interests. You sound like a bunch of condescending assholes.
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dswx
January 20, 2010 2:09 PM in reply to masanf
Sorry, sport, but it is. The facts are that health care reform will save lives more in many of the southern red states. And it will benefit those with pre-existing conditions. Spewing obscenities just shows you have no actual facts but are just ranking for absurd reasons.
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Mrs_Norman
January 20, 2010 2:29 PM in reply to dswx
I am loaded down with facts, I've been watching in horror the democratic party tear each other apart to help those who don't want to be helped. Please believe me when I tell you I more than anything want health reform, real health reform but how to we go about getting it when we are carrying the entire load. I'm just ranting. I do know better it just hurts to watch this miserable process.
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wbgonne
January 20, 2010 2:25 PM in reply to masanf
Sometimes condescension is warranted. For instance, what is one to say about people who insist on the "freedom" to be ripped off indefinitely by oligopolist health insurance companies? Or who believe Sarah Palin should be president. Or who just elected a male Sarah Palin to fill Teddy Kennedy's senate seat?
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Cal Gal
January 20, 2010 5:10 PM in reply to wbgonne
Good point. NEVER underestimate the ability of the American electorate to be distracted by shiny objects.
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Icarus
January 20, 2010 2:05 PM
I just called my congressman's office (Eliot Engel) to urge him to get the health bill passed. A staff member told me Engel is still working on getting it through. For all its flaws, I think if it doesn't pass now it won't be taken up for another 20 - 30 years. Such is the apparent failure of Democratic politicians to have any convictions about anything at all.
And I thought they only lacked a spine.
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masanf
January 20, 2010 2:11 PM
"We can tell our angry, progressive base that we tried, we really tried to give them comprehensive reform that we promised, but the Republicans that are beholden to the drug and insurance companies killed it."
What a freakin hilarious statement. This idiot claims it is the Republicans who are beholden to the pharmaceutical and insurance companies in the same statement he condemns backroom deals made by Democrats with pharmaceutical and insurance companies. Christ, I am now convinced that the people running the Democratic Party have the same IQ as a book of carpet samples.
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wbgonne
January 20, 2010 2:15 PM in reply to masanf
The Republicans are OWNED -- lock, stock and barrel -- by Big Business. The Dems have been compromised by Big Business enough to be rendered ineffectual (no accident, there).
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Frex
January 20, 2010 3:33 PM in reply to wbgonne
Its less the Repugs being owned by big business as they share the same world view. It is the Dems who have sold themselves to the highest bidder.
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ilovebacon
January 20, 2010 3:00 PM
I don't always like Weiner, but he's right in this instance:
Anthony Weiner (D-NY): "When you have successful things like the public option, where the public grabs it and the White House walks away from it, you know sometimes I think that to some degree this outcome wasn't that unexpected."
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Darrius
January 20, 2010 5:00 PM in reply to ilovebacon
So if they White House can't make a Congressman like Weiner vote for something, why would they be able to make a Senator vote for something?
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cube3u
January 20, 2010 5:45 PM in reply to ilovebacon
What a steaming pile! This fool wants to deflect his responsibilities elsewhere. Is that acceptable to you? It isn't to me.
I am thoroughly enraged by every Democrat in Congress and with Obama and everyone on his damned staff. They were sent there to enact healthcare legislation and not to sit around.
It. Is. Simply. Outrageous.
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ilovebacon
January 20, 2010 8:56 PM in reply to cube3u
Weiner is a Jewish version of Kucinich. Same politics, same media-loving, same progress-fighting progressive.
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theone718
January 20, 2010 4:31 PM
Reconciliation, make it happen, PERIOD.
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hey norm
January 20, 2010 4:59 PM
the idea that reid and pelosi have the balls to stand up to rush and hannity and palin and bachman is laughable. maybe they should ask lieberman again what he thinks they should do. what a bunch of clowns.
try to imagine this group framing the declaration and the constitution. doh...king george told us we can't...so we won't.
such p#$$ies.
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Cal Gal
January 20, 2010 5:14 PM in reply to hey norm
I think your scorn of Pelosi is unwarranted at this time. Let's see if she can get her caucus together to pass the Senate bill.
I bet she'll do it. She's the political master of the Democratic Party at the moment.
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Peter Principle
January 20, 2010 5:20 PM in reply to Cal Gal
She's the political master of the Democratic Party at the moment.
At the moment, that's like saying someone is the precinct captain for the Keystone Kops.
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hey norm
January 20, 2010 5:23 PM in reply to Cal Gal
if she is the political master of the democratic party right now then the country is doomed to be ruled by republicans.
30% cost increases for your insurance, if you can get it. deficits. torture. no middle class.
enjoy.
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Juble
January 20, 2010 5:26 PM in reply to Cal Gal
Pass the Senate bill.
It's the Senate bill that is causing consternation.
People don't like Insurance companies and mandating
that people buy Insurance from wealthy CEO's ain't going to help.
Progressives ought to walk away from the Senate Bill if they know what's good for 'em.
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Peter Principle
January 20, 2010 5:01 PM
Late update: Democrats have canceled their caucus meeting, originally scheduled for this afternoon.
Now there's the kind of decisive leadership I would expect from the Democrats in this hour of adversity.
Reminds me of Lt. Scheisskopf from Catch-22: "Due to circumstances beyond my control, there will be no big parade this Sunday afternoon."
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Problem Is
January 20, 2010 5:26 PM
I don't think any independent or progressive voted for Obama and a bunch of Democrats to take over like a bunch of corporate shills, screw the public and love Wall Street Republican look-a-likes...
Democrats can right the ship by stop being sold out corporate whores a la Max-i-pad Baucus.
But... Obama, Summers and Rahm-baby et al will come to all the wrong conclusions about this defeat and continue pro Wall Street, pro Corporate War machine policy.
Who voted for more war and a bigger defense budget?
Who voted for NO Wall Street reform?
Who voted for a Health care bill that is de facto Welfare for Corporate Health insurance industry?
Who voted for health reform that screws the public more?
Mass. has the Obama-Baucus screw the public health plan already... it's called the Willard "The Rat" Romney state plan. Mass. residents pay higher prices for crappier insurance... They know and they voted on what they thought of it yesterday.
You White House and Congressional Democrat dick-wads better start listening to people like Dennis Kucinch or expect more of the same in Nov. 2010. Republicans are no answer. Reid, Pelosi and Obama have proven Corporate Democrats are no answer either.
A complete failure of the US political class...
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Cool Blue Reason
January 20, 2010 6:05 PM
Oh good lord the House progressives are being really fucking obtuse. It took a tremendous effort to get a single bill through the Baucus-Nelson-Lieberman clusterfuck of a Senate, and that was before we lost a seat to a teabagger. Now they want to split it up into dozens of smaller bills, "reach out" to Republicans, and try to get something better piecemeal? It boggles the mind just how hard these people seem to be working at amplifying the potential for their own abuse and suffering (and ours).
Pass the Senate bill. Then, get what you can get in terms of improvements by way of reconciliation. This is not rocket science, people. We are one roll-call vote away from a sweeping HCR package, and we will never, ever get a second bite at this apple if they toss it in the trash now. The mendacity of these people!
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Fritz
January 20, 2010 9:49 PM
The Democrats need to get their act together and pass a health care bill BEFORE THE STATE OF THE UNION address.
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Scott in PacNW
January 21, 2010 1:27 AM
I have pretty much held that the Senate bill is a POS, especially since both the public option and the Medicare expansion were deleted.
Nevertheless, at this point, the best the House Dems can do is pass the POS because they will lose less POLITICALLY that way -- even the POLICY is still an absolute turd.
If they can fix it after that, by all means fix it.
But I am gravely disappointed too. Thank goodness I have state Dems to support next week with Measures 66 & 67. They've made the hard choice. In WA state too. Maybe those beltway doofuses should take a junket to the NW.
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