
A Republican candidate for governor in Idaho who joked about hunting President Obama over the summer is calling for God to save the U.S. Constitution.
Rex Rammell said recently it is time for citizens to "rise up" and defend the Constitution. He said he will spread that message on the campaign trail.
"To think that we can save the Constitution without God's help when the government of the United States is corrupt is absurdity," he said. "We are in America's second Revolutionary War to save our freedom, which we paid for with blood. We need God's help and I'm not ashamed to ask for it."
The Idaho Statesman first reported the video where Rammell makes the remarks.
He and one other candidate are challenging Gov. Butch Otter in the May 26 Republican primary.
In the video, Rammell quotes Joseph Smith of the Mormon Church and said he disagrees with people seeking separation of church and state.
"I am simply trying to rally the people to this cause," he said.
He said he's "tired" of people telling him he can't bring God into his campaign speeches.
Here's the video:
Rammell made headlines in August when speaking to a local Republican group about the state's wolf hunt, for which hunters must pay for "wolf tags." An audience member shouted out a question about "Obama tags."
"Obama tags? We'd buy some of those," Rammell responded.
CT Voter
January 4, 2010 3:07 PM
He said he's "tired" of people telling him he can't bring God into his campaign speeches.
That's like Sarah Palin being tired of journalists curtailing Sarah Palin's First Amendment rights.
Or something.
I guess if you're trying to make yourself stand out, calling on God to save the Constitution is one way to do it.
And hinting about censorship only adds to it.
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i said GOOD DAY sir
January 4, 2010 3:14 PM
Today must be "Republicans say crazier shit than usual day".
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WaitWut?
January 4, 2010 3:42 PM in reply to i said GOOD DAY sir
I actually think it's part of their NY Resolution. Just bite the bullet and go completely batshit, start a revolution and take their country back.
Y'all ready?
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Forrest
January 4, 2010 3:50 PM in reply to i said GOOD DAY sir
Considering the only way they will continue to garner attention is to say something more absurd than they did yesterday, I think every day is "Republicans say crazier shit than usual day".
Seriously, if you haven't listened to some of the more obscure right-wing radio blowhards, give them a few minutes of your time. They're all fighting to take the hardest stance possible against the communist takeover. Nearly everything they say is at best hyperbole, at worst total fabrication.
I think many of them are at the point where their ravings are keeping new, rational listeners from tuning in. I flip to the local nutjob station every so often to see what they're saying, and I have to turn it off within a few minutes lest I lose my most recent meal. Those that have been with them through all the rhetorical ratcheting up, though, are hooked and are whipped into a frenzy.
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ohyeathatsright
January 4, 2010 6:33 PM in reply to Forrest
I tried Glenn Beck last weekend. His guest (whom I'm blanking on now, old guy from some cancer research foundation) was rambling about things that didn't quite fit GB's narrative (a bit too social for his tastes) so he kept interjecting with his prompts about "evil plots" and "insidious" government control. (Isn't 'insidious' too big of a word for Fox? It's got 4 syllables, I thought they banned those.) The guest never really picked up on it, and instead it became this strange psychobabble back and forth. I turned it off after having a laugh.
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Overreach THIS!
January 4, 2010 5:03 PM in reply to i said GOOD DAY sir
I'm just confused, though, if this important day would apply to both LDS and non-LDS citizens in the vernacular of the distinguished Candidate...
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JEP07
January 4, 2010 5:26 PM in reply to Overreach THIS!
There's also an RLDS that is not nearly so much like the (R)LDS.
We've got acronyms galore in this debate.
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Overreach THIS!
January 4, 2010 5:59 PM in reply to JEP07
And here I just got done researching the sacred mindfuck (did *I* write that??!) that is the Angel Moroni's messy and wildly contradictory history, tried to put it in the Revolutionary War context where it has no place but for Rex Rammell's embarrassing ravings, and now these *new* complexities arise! I truly feel wretched now! (Must be God's will, that!)
Either way, JEP07, you are a *caution*, Sir!!
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
January 4, 2010 3:41 PM
Is this guy outside the bounds of what passes for normal Republican discourse in Idaho? Just wondering. Honestly, it doesn't seem much crazier than the mouth foam Virginia Foxx and Vernon Robinson were throwing around when the old battleaxe took over Burr's seat.
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rbeats
January 4, 2010 3:49 PM
People like this should never get near a position of power and should be mocked and ridiculed in public.
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Forrest
January 4, 2010 3:57 PM in reply to rbeats
Nah, that would just feed into the persecution complex of the American religious right.
Let him get into power. Then let him start persecuting others because they don't believe in his particular fairy tale. Then nail his ass to the wall as an example of how NOT to mix religion with politics.
The only way to stop this nonsensical behavior is for the majority of rational people to get a good solid taste of it. For example, some undeniable secret footage of Glenn Beck gloating over the shit sandwich he's feeding his viewers every day. Opportunism like pandering for his gold company isn't enough. We need a good old-fashioned Jimmy Swaggart moment.
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CVille Dem
January 4, 2010 7:19 PM in reply to Forrest
We already tried that. It didn't work!
Run the mofo's out of town on a rail!
Do republicans quietly sit back and wait for people to "realize" that we are wrong? No. They say that 911 was a victory for them, and the non-bomb on Christmas was a loss for Obama. Passivity is not the answer! Trust me!
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Powkat
January 5, 2010 1:38 PM in reply to Forrest
Dude - have you BEEN to Idaho? A 'majority of rational people' is not always available.
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davewtf
January 4, 2010 5:04 PM in reply to rbeats
Bravo! I am in complete agreement.
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JEP07
January 4, 2010 6:17 PM in reply to rbeats
OK
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chimpale
January 4, 2010 3:53 PM
Save the Constitution? Don't you think you should try reading it first? I don't think it says what you think it says.
And, by the way, where were you assclowns in the GOP when Bush and Cheney were circumventing and showing their utter contempt for the Constitution?
Oh, that's right. Nothing happened before January 2008. That was the beginning of existence.
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StarShineSpeaks
January 4, 2010 5:51 PM in reply to chimpale
So true! People that speak this way don't understand the Constitution at all.
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Overreach THIS!
January 4, 2010 6:36 PM in reply to StarShineSpeaks
It's really a "tell" to use, kind of, gangster language.
Anybody who starts on their high horse about the Constitution, virtually to the man, doesn't have knowledge either of the document or of anything else of consequence, obviously including him!!
This is why he talks knowledgeably about "President Benson" and the "Doctrine of Covenants," and not, say, the Commerce Clause. Because he's never read the Constitution, and wouldn't know it from the Gettysburg Address or his life insurance policy. Truly.
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Backcountry
January 4, 2010 4:08 PM
People like this idiot love to glamorize the notion of engaging in an armed conflict against the U.S. government. I wonder how glamorous he'd think it would be to at ground zero of a cruise missile attack.
If he ever gets a revolution started he's going to have a lot of blood on his hands.
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Peter Principle
January 4, 2010 4:15 PM in reply to Backcountry
If he ever gets a revolution started he's going to have a lot of blood on his hands.
Preferably his own.
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Forrest
January 4, 2010 4:28 PM in reply to Peter Principle
Nope - he'll be safely away from the fighting, while the sheeple he's convinced he's looking out for them are dying.
Much like what's happening today with health care reform.
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ignoreland
January 4, 2010 4:16 PM
I believe the Confederacy has dibs on the idea of a second American Revolution. One of the earliest proponents of secession said that he could and would drink every drop of blood spilled in the conflict from a silver goblet.
I'd say skip the goblet and just waterboard Rammell until he calls for God.
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Matt Jones
January 4, 2010 4:17 PM
Note that Joseph Smith's church then engaged in OPEN WARFARE against the US government. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_War for details)
Mr. Rammell knows exactly what he's dog whistling - open revolt against the elected government, since voting Democratic is clearly a sign of demonic possession.
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Kuyleh
January 4, 2010 4:26 PM
Didn't Bush say god told him invading Iraq was the right thing to do? Tells you a ton about their god, eh?
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twirling fartknocker
January 4, 2010 4:29 PM
he's so gay, and so afraid
sad
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mans_best_friend
January 4, 2010 4:40 PM
Dear Rex:
I wouldn't HAVE to save the Constitution if it weren't for asshats like you attacking it.
God
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sheerahkahn
January 4, 2010 4:44 PM
"...when the government of the United States is corrupt..."
So...considering that if we take this Republican candidates statement to be true..."the government of the united states is corrupt" and the Republicans have held the power in government for 21 of the past 30 years leaves me to think that he is admitting that the Republicans are the source of the problem.
Be careful of what you ask G-d for Mr. Rammell...you may discover that you and your Republican colleagues are the ones G-d will protect us from.
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Backcountry
January 4, 2010 4:51 PM
"It became necessary to destroy the village in order to save it."
-- An American major after the destruction of the Vietnamese Village Ben Tre
Isn't this the same as calling for a revolution in order to save the Constitution?
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bluestatedon
January 4, 2010 5:12 PM
You don't have to listen to more than 30 seconds of Rammel's speechifying to know that he's running as a Mormon, not as a U.S. citizen. Just as Joseph Smith and his Mormon forbears were, Rammell is nothing less than a traitor to the Constitution he professes to love.
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Chris
January 4, 2010 5:15 PM
It's the same ol' tune, fiddle and guitar. Whose blood is he talking about? Rammell has never seen an ounce of combat his entire life. What could he possibly know about the spilling of blood for the sake of freedom?
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chimpale
January 4, 2010 5:19 PM
This tendency of Republicans these days to call on God to smite their political opposition is not serving them well. I don't believe there's been any divine intervention either way, but it would be easier to argue that they're commencin' to piss him off.
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ohyeathatsright
January 4, 2010 6:28 PM in reply to chimpale
I can't think of any situations in recent months where they've played the 'pray to God card' it's worked out to their advantage.
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JEP07
January 4, 2010 5:30 PM
Maybe we can convince Rammel to take Cheney partridge hunting?
The wimp and the whiner, each vying for the first shot, it would just be a matter of time before...
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Viva!America!
January 4, 2010 5:32 PM
So I guess in the 2010 elections we will see the GOP running on God and on not being "politically correct."
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jeffgee
January 4, 2010 5:44 PM
Rex Rammel sounds like a porn name.
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jollyroger
January 4, 2010 9:44 PM in reply to jeffgee
No, that was Rex Rammit, popular polymorphous San Fran kinkster of "undeclared" sexual preference in the '80's.
But thanks for remembering.
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Overreach THIS!
January 4, 2010 5:50 PM
I stopped the tape when the goober started talking about God's divine intervention in the American Revolution.
That's the almost the same as talking about Allah who divinely helped sew the blessed explosives into the fey twit's underwear to strike down in His glory the NW 253 infidels, the difference being that the misfit ninny had a direct religious motivation in his own insipid brain, unlike American revolutionaries who were not primarily motivated by the Almighty -- sorry Rex Rammell you buffoon.
Glorious intervention did indeed come in the Revolution, although not directly from Mormon cosmology but by temporal-world French generals who decisively besieged the British at Yorktown, and made final victory possible for American forces on October 17, 1781. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War I have no doubt, of course, that the Mormon angel Moroni gave an important assist, even though Joseph Smith who founded the religion and thus gave existence to Moroni had not yet even been born, not till December 1805. (You can read about Smith's sloppy and self-contradictory accounts about tablets "found" not far from Smith's NY home when he was 18, here): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_Moroni)
Sound ludicrous? Well, the Lord works in strange ways, particularly in the Republican politics of Idaho...
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Overreach THIS!
January 4, 2010 6:02 PM
30 comments so far, *zero* recommends, and I haven't even got 1/4 way through listening to this loon's speech!!
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Chris
January 4, 2010 6:40 PM in reply to Overreach THIS!
That's hilarious!!
Honestly, what do any of them know about spilling blood???
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Overreach THIS!
January 4, 2010 7:03 PM in reply to Chris
Especially spilling blood for a civil issue, like good governance? Answer: *Not many!!!*
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a SC mom
January 4, 2010 6:08 PM
can someone tell me what this statement from Rammell means?
"to save our freedom"
when DeMint (SC) says it, it seems to me it's all about freedom for corporations to do whatever they want; environment and workers'rights be damned.
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Overreach THIS!
January 4, 2010 7:00 PM in reply to a SC mom
Oh, that's easy! Rammell has no idea, period. But it's *related to* the President being partly of African American heritage which was a No-no! among LDS until *very* recently!
And also to social concerns: See, in Matthew it is written at 14:14, And when Jesus went out He saw a great multitude; and He was moved with compassion for them, and healed their sick.
But that's Matthew -- it *ain't* the Book of Mormon, and screw the ailing! Which is why Rammell convened all these "LDS Elders" to discuss Joseph Smith's prophecy, in his role as gubernatorial candidate. Plus concern over the black guy being President, and how that relates to conservative Idaho Mormon tenets.
"Brigham Young is generally credited with having been responsible for revoking the priesthood and temple blessings from black members of the LDS Church, who had been treated equally in this respect under Joseph Smith's presidency." Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigham_Young
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wyojim
January 4, 2010 6:11 PM
Apparently, Rammell has been campaigning for office in Idaho before a backdrop of the Teton mountain range in WYOMING!
And, he recently had property foreclosed on, in Jackson Hole.
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Overreach THIS!
January 4, 2010 6:12 PM
This candidate needs MORE AIR-TIME!
I love the quote, "I like what President Benson said."
Benson came right after Truman, do I have that right? Anyway, *put this guy out in the media*!! 2010 needs more of this!!
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BigBadBama
January 4, 2010 6:12 PM
Just piling on here, but if only God can save the Constitution then it's not going to happen. If He sat out the better part of the 21st Century, there's clearly nothing that'll get Him to put a dog in the fight.
And I hate to break it to this guy, but his pandering to the religious right will only get him so far. A large portion of his base thinks he worships a false idol. Super-strict Christianists don't cotton to those Mormons too much. (Just ask Mitt.)
I honestly wish I knew whether people like this represent a loud, but tiny portion of the population or if we have a large and now loud bunch of lunatics out there. My inability to figure this out for good is driving me to early dementia.
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we r all husseins
January 4, 2010 6:23 PM
I wouldn't worry about the rantings of Rabid Rammel. Even as governor of Idaho, what effect could he possibly have on the U.S. Constitution? He's only playing up to the fears of Right Wing anti-government types out there in the Backwater of the Universe.
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Cthulhu
January 4, 2010 7:20 PM
Is it possible that, psychologically, right-wingers feel guilty about supporting folk like the Bushes and Reagan and, like the German folk who should have kicked out Hitler when he was alive and didn't, now believe they should revolt (literally) against the next person they don't like?
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nancydenis
January 4, 2010 8:28 PM
So when he looses the race does that mean God saved the constitution from irresponsible people like him?
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USgreentech
January 4, 2010 8:29 PM
He's not doing much of that now with Nazi metaphora in play.
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Waltz
January 4, 2010 9:14 PM
I'm pretty sure it's the God stuff that has corrupted politics.
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a SC mom
January 4, 2010 9:25 PM in reply to Waltz
yup! and i didn't see it until i moved to South Carolina. it's not easy living here.
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round guy
January 5, 2010 6:41 AM
We are in America's second Revolutionary War to save our freedom, which we paid for with blood.
It's okay. He's just using the royal we.
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davcbr
January 5, 2010 7:41 AM
"We are in America's second Revolutionary War to save our freedom, which we paid for with blood."
Right on!!
Now. I'll show you my scars, and you can show me your's.
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ronalley
January 5, 2010 8:11 AM
"To think that we can save the Constitution without God's help when the government of the United States is corrupt is absurdity," he said.
Unfortunately, Rex Rammell fails to explain why God might take on the task of saving our secular Constitution. Apparently he believes that Americans are the tribe chosen by God. His apparent belief conflicts with the Bible, particularly the Old Testament.
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ronalley
January 5, 2010 8:13 AM
"To think that we can save the Constitution without God's help when the government of the United States is corrupt is absurdity," he said.
Unfortunately, Rex Rammell fails to explain why God might take on the task of saving our secular Constitution. Apparently he believes that Americans are the tribe chosen by God. His apparent belief conflicts with the Bible, particularly the Old Testament.
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Virginia
January 5, 2010 8:53 AM
The Republican definition of "freedom" is basically the right to act like an asshole.
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setaf
January 5, 2010 10:34 AM
Well, reading these posts is cetainly somewhat educating. I hope none of you need to have a serious debate using thought and reason. All I see is mostly namecalling, generalities and vulgarities. Try some honest and researched positions sometime before falling back to the crazy neocon republican strategy. The right may have a few "out there" people, but judging by the responses here, the left has more than their fair share. Falling back on namecalling and insults is the attempt of weak minds trying to express themselves.
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JTFaraday
January 5, 2010 12:25 PM in reply to setaf
Research? Educated Americans, like all right thinking puritans everywhere, don't need to do do research. We'll have none of those old fashioned Lockean "appeals to God" in This Revolution.
I mean, really. Hasn't this guy read any of our highly enlighted contemporary political discourse like, say, George Lakoff? You know, just don't think of an elephant!
Problem solved. It's positively magical.
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