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John Kasich: Tea-Partiest Republican Ever?
Former Rep. and current candidate for Governor John Kasich (R-OH)
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Former Congressman John Kasich (R-OH) is raising the bar for Republicans trying to latch onto the Tea Party movement this year. Kasich, now running for governor of Ohio in a dead heat with incumbent Ted Strickland (D), told a crowd yesterday he was a tea partier before it was cool.
In exclusive audio obtained by TPMDC and posted below, Kasich gives some insight into why he's so willing to embrace the tenets of the tea party movement. In two separate speeches last year, he warned his fellow Republicans that the tea partiers were serious about changing the Republican party. So serious, he warned twice, that tea partiers would "hang" Republicans "from the nearest tree" if they don't get their way.
A lot of Republican candidates are trying to find alliances among the various tea party movements this year. The attempt at wooing the insurgent conservative movement usually goes like this: The tea partiers challenge candidates about why they didn't vote for a spending bill, social program, or revenue plan way back when, despite claiming to be part of their movement.
Kasich may be the first mainstream Republican candidate for whom the conversation is reversed. Faced with his skill at sounding like the most extreme of the tea partiers, it may be mainline Republicans in Ohio who find themselves wondering if Kasich's really one of them.
Speaking on a Columbus radio show last October, Kasich described the tea party crowds packing town halls last year. "I went to one meeting where I thought they were gonna hang two of the Republican speakers that were up there from the nearest tree," he said. Here's the audio:
A few weeks earlier, according to sources who provided TPMDC with the audio, Kasich told donors at a fundraiser a similar story.
"I go to tea party events and I know where people are, they're fed up with all the politics," he said. "I've told my Republican colleagues at big Republican shindigs, if you think they like you, you're crazy."
"They're willing to give you one more chance, maybe," Kasich added. "And if you flub that one I suggest you not go to anymore tea parties, because there are a lot of trees around they can hang you from." Audio below:
Kasich's probably safe from the noose himself, having had a career that should already put him in the tea partiers good graces. In Congress, he was known as one of the GOP's toughest fiscal hawks. Human Events recently called Kasich's tenure as a Representative "the embodiment of a small government-low tax conservative." Kasich's additional tea party bona fides come from his time with Fox News, where hosted a show called "Heartland" and frequently filled in as a guest host for Bill O'Reilly.
Kasich has put his fiscal policy where his mouth is in the governor's race, where offering a plan to eliminate Ohio's state income tax. In short, in many ways, he's tried to be exactly the kind of Republican tea partiers are looking for, as he said at the rally yesterday.
"I think I was in the Tea Party before there was a Tea Party," he told a crowd in Columbus.
Kasich's campaign did not respond to an email this morning.
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Chris
January 15, 2010 3:18 PM
But is he a Freedom Fighting nut slapper??
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JorgeOrwell
January 16, 2010 12:45 PM in reply to Chris
Here is the best exchange I've seen of late, exposing the Teabaggers for their complete lack of policy savvy...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/34886262#34884958
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JorgeOrwell
January 16, 2010 12:53 PM in reply to JorgeOrwell
A pity that Chris seems to get a little too hyper and browbeating. That will only drive those entertaining this "tea party" idea to defend their guys.
He should have just let them answer and hang themselves.
Still, he has exposed the hypocrisy and lack of forethought of their position.
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jeffgee
January 17, 2010 11:33 AM in reply to JorgeOrwell
Policy? Policy's for people who did well in school 'n' stuff. Who needs that? It's all about emotion with the 'bagger lynch mob and their self-described Queen Esther, Sarah Palin. And also apparently with John Kasich.
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AhTrini1
January 15, 2010 3:25 PM
Racism is the in thing.
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dlogan333
January 15, 2010 3:33 PM
What poll has this guy coming close to Strickland?
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dlogan333
January 15, 2010 3:46 PM in reply to dlogan333
Rasmussen is not a real or reputable polling company. They are ALWAYS skewed to the right and do not belong to any of the industry leading professional polling organizations. Does anyone know of any other polls for Ohio Gov.? The writer should have cited the poll he was referring, but again he probably knows better and might be embarrassed to cite Rasmussen.
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Buckeye Terrorist Fist Jab Nation
January 15, 2010 4:31 PM in reply to dlogan333
Other Ohio polls taken in the past few months have shown Strickland slightly ahead.
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jeffgee
January 17, 2010 11:35 AM in reply to dlogan333
That must be why the ChiTrib always quotes the Ras poll when the paper wants to smear Democrats, which is nearly every day lately.
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fiddystorms
January 15, 2010 5:09 PM in reply to dlogan333
you guys really want to do this to yourselves on this one too? The Republican will win here too. You're looking at polls like the Boston Globe that had Coakley up by 15% a couple days ago. Wanna see how accurate Rasmussen is? Look at his polls in the 08 pres race.
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mophan
January 18, 2010 1:45 AM in reply to fiddystorms
Well you know, when the Rupert Murdoch owned Wall Street Journal doesn't even rank Rassbaggin in the top 5 of pollsters, I guess that tells us all we need to know. I don't have a subscription for WSJ or I would link, but if you are interested in seeing it yourself the rankings came out 11/06/08.
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mike from Arlington
January 15, 2010 3:44 PM
Gimme a break. The teabagger movement was a planned GOP operative operation.
Anyone who thinks teabaggers will vote anything but Republicans is out of their mind.
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jsdc007
January 15, 2010 3:54 PM in reply to mike from Arlington
True. It's just a way for the DeMint crowd to get pure ideologues in the GOP and turn out the so-called "moderates."
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fiddystorms
January 15, 2010 5:16 PM in reply to mike from Arlington
couldn't be further from the truth. Here's a little secret for ya... Americans don't like Socialism! We really really like Capitalism. The more people understand that the Socialist programs enacted over the past 70 yrs. have bastardized capitalism and crushed it under it's weight of dependence and regulations. We're just more well informed than you and understand the insatiable appetite of those in power and the fact that people like you will let them do anything they want as long as there is a benevolent action attached/
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Nutter
January 15, 2010 5:36 PM in reply to fiddystorms
And I do not see any teabaggers giving up their medicare cards....why? Medicare by itself is more socialist than anything this administration can put out. Admit it. The only thing that changed is that he is a black democrat.
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fiddystorms
January 15, 2010 11:17 PM in reply to Nutter
because 100% of them worked their whole lives and actually contributed to the medicare system. True, many of us will pay into it and never receive a dime of it as long as there is some politically favored group that demands it from us. Politicians play politics with everything, now you want to give them control of our healthcare too!?!?! I can't wait to beg them for additional attention to a disease predominantly found in white males other than liberalism... think they'll be allocating extra funds for that when there are unhealthy illegal aliens running around? They can't wait to politicize our health care, bunch of useful idiots you are. Maybe on their 896,332nd time, government won't screw us over,,, doh! Maybe on their 896,333rd time...
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Nutter
January 18, 2010 1:23 AM in reply to fiddystorms
And yet you are against a system that is PAID FOR and completely part of the private sector.
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fiddystorms
January 16, 2010 3:00 AM in reply to Nutter
I just saw the "black democrat" line. Are you people this detached from reality? Do you really think we would submit ourselves to more Socialism if John Edwards was president? Do you think we'd be waiving flags for "redistributive change" and "social justice"? Excitedly anticipating giving up the first family vacation I've had in 10 years or so, just so I could afford the direct and indirect taxes that progressives thrive on... just because a white man is in the White House!?!?! You simple simple people. Is it really possible that you are all falling for this trick or at least some of you are? I didn't think anyone could be this stupid. James Carville did a study back in September I believe, and he did the study in Alabama specifically looking for racism in this movement. He concluded that there was none to be found! What, never heard that on the news??? Shocking.
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mophan
January 18, 2010 1:50 AM in reply to fiddystorms
Socialism? Socialism? You have no idea what socialism is, or for that matter, communism. You think Obama's policies have any semblance towards socialist policies than you are just an ignorant fool willing to be scared by any right wing talking points Rush, Beck, and Hannity are feeding you.
You don't know what socialism is, so just STFU.
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mophan
January 18, 2010 2:01 AM in reply to fiddystorms
You think anybody needs a study when picture speakS a thousand words? Little old white haired grandma's clutching their purses holding up their racist signs and offensive pictures, all the while demanding the government to stay out of her medical "options" when she has a Medicare card in her pocket, is enough evidence to formulate an understanding of what encompasses what's popularly called the Tea Party movement.
The Tea Party movement, all 30 million of them, are a bunch of ignorant, uneducated, racist and naive fools just like yourself. Just because they are the most disruptive doesn't make them the majority. Coakley will win, don't worry your sorry little head. Fool.
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Kuyleh
January 15, 2010 5:49 PM in reply to fiddystorms
Teabaggers can't define Socialism. You retards have no idea what you're actually crowing about. That's why your movement is defined by old people holding up signs that say "Keep the government out of my Medicare."
As to Rasmussen being accurate...Yeah. Right. Believe whatever you will. It's your right to show yourself for the huge idiot you are.
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fiddystorms
January 15, 2010 11:45 PM in reply to Kuyleh
Maybe you can tell me what you think Socialism is. Better yet, we can be pushing our government in one of two ways... more freedom/Capitalism or more restraints & greater state control/Socialism... which way are the progressives pushing??? Go ahead and say Capitalism or say you pushing further left toward socialism so we can have a nice even mix! I double dog dare ya.
Our movement may appear to be old because unlike your movement... the youth are working in ours! True, they are the face of the movement because their families are raised and they are retired with the time it takes to fight an army of unemployed recipients.
What do you think when America sees our movement... actually the answer is evident just look at Mass. Regardless, America sees people in our movement that represent exactly who they are, middle class hard working freedom loving people. Now, flip it... what do they see when they see your movement? Purple faux-hawks, nose-rings, police arrests, ACORN, Soviet flags, Anarchy signs.
Dress it up all you want. Call for the replacement of capitalism, call us whatever you want to... the youth is here and we're not scared off by weak people calling us names. Liberals are weak idealistic academics who cannot survive in the real world so they want to selfishly change it to their elitist views.
Of course, Socialism is for the people... not for the Socialist. Tuesday I'll be swirling them around so keep your mouth open wide... who's mouth is this!
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mophan
January 18, 2010 2:10 AM in reply to fiddystorms
OOOh, I triple dog dare ya! You betcha! Top that, idiot.
Really, get your facts together and be somewhat coherent when you formulate your argument. Most of all, know what your are talking about, because it is obvious you have no idea except to repeat the little 3X5 card in front of you that has all of your instructions written down step-by-step so can understand. Heaven forbid you should loose it.
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hologram5
January 18, 2010 9:01 AM in reply to fiddystorms
YOUR MOVEMENT? Don't you even know that you idiots hijacked "YOUR MOVEMENT" from RON PAUL? I have emails to prove it. We started that "Grass-roots" movement to protest the IRS and taxes and then the MORONS that are in charge of it now took it and ran it into something unholy and warped. YOUR MOVEMENT indeed. Get your own movement next time, use the brain God gave you to come up with something on your own without stealing. Bunch of tool sheds is all that they are now.
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Matt Jones
January 16, 2010 1:01 PM in reply to Kuyleh
Exactly - the funniest for me is seeing Tea Party yoyos complaining about "socialism" in states like Tennessee. Do they realize that, if not for the "socialist" TVA, they'd still be living in unelectrified shacks and going to outhouses?
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kfreed
January 16, 2010 7:08 AM in reply to fiddystorms
"Americans don't like socialism..."
...except when cashing their social security checks or taking advantage of state-sponsored health care in the form of Medicare. It seems to me that the majority of Americans are perfectly fine with public education, libraries, the military, their local police and fire departments, the health department, the notion of an FDA to ensure that our food doesn't kill us, the idea of an EPA that ensures our drinking water isn't poisoned...
I could go on, but whose got time to argue with the home-schooled.
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fiddystorms
January 16, 2010 8:17 PM in reply to kfreed
Most of those programs you mention are bankrupt so it doesn't matter who likes it. Hell, I like steak but if I ate it everyday for breakfast, lunch & dinner I'd be bankrupt. It doesn't matter who likes it, it's unsustainable. The problem with socialism is you run out of other peoples money.
Also, don't confuse the programs that our constitution already allows for with those that it does not. A military is one thing, free cell phones for the poor is another.
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mophan
January 18, 2010 2:13 AM in reply to fiddystorms
Right, bankrupt. That is why they are still paying out? I just can't imagine what it would have been like if Dubya had just gotten his way with it. Our senior citizens would have been so much better of. Don't you think?
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mjshep
January 16, 2010 12:49 PM in reply to fiddystorms
Hey, fiddystorms --
"Socialism," "Capitalism," you bandy about these terms as if you actually understand what they mean.
I do not think that they mean what you think they mean.
I do not think that you understand that without regulation "capitalism" and free markets can not exist, just as without laws a free society can not exist. Freedom does not equal lawlessness.
If I had to guess, I say that your definition of capitalism is "things that benefit me," and socialism is "things that benefit others."
Which makes you an ignorant, silly, greedy moron.
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fiddystorms
January 16, 2010 8:24 PM in reply to mjshep
Right, the founding fathers knew almost exactly what the right mix is and it has been addressed in our Constitution. You people know damn right well government is out of control, you seek it to have more power so they can level the playing field. You people have a radical egalitarian agenda. A government cannot make a populous equally affluent but it can make us all equally poor and equally miserable and that's what you seek. The envy kills you and you see government as a way to rid yourself of that pain.
Also, if you think it's so loved and welcomed, why not be open about it? Call it what it is? You are all still hiding in the shadows and changing the language. Cowards.
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mophan
January 18, 2010 2:19 AM in reply to fiddystorms
Ha, the founding fathers. Are you taking your queue from your Empress Palin. Is your favorite founding father Lincoln too? Well, I'll be darn. A Palinista in our group, and he doesn't even know it.
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Scott in PacNW
January 15, 2010 3:52 PM
Please don't call the teabaggers a 'movement.'
Call them what they are: wingnut astroturf
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JEP07
January 15, 2010 4:01 PM in reply to Scott in PacNW
I'll give them this much: that astroturf has some real ugly weeds growing up through the many cracks...
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JEP07
January 15, 2010 3:58 PM
"a tea partier before it was cool."
...would that be some time next week? That "cool" thing is hilarious, since when was it "cool" to be a 'bagger?
As yet, the only thing col about the 'baggers is the way they are devouring their party from the bottom up.
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fiddystorms
January 15, 2010 5:21 PM in reply to JEP07
Since we kept winning
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kfreed
January 16, 2010 7:15 AM in reply to fiddystorms
... exactly what are you winning? You elect corporate shills who have only their best interests at heart... which is not the same thing as having your best interests at heart. Obviously you're too dimwitted to realize that you're being used in the worst posible way. You know what they say: Careful what you wish for...
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mjshep
January 16, 2010 12:59 PM in reply to fiddystorms
Yeah, like in NY 23.
Call back when you've actually won something.
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fiddystorms
January 16, 2010 8:31 PM in reply to mjshep
This is fiddy calling back, New Jersey and Virginia. NY 23 was a victory. A conservative independent forcing a RINO out of the race in the last couple days! Absentee ballots already cast for a candidate no longer on the ticket... Let's not kid ourselves here... I know exactly how you feel about that race. Do you think if Scott Brown loses that this is not a huge victory for us? You're wrong and you know it. If he wins, it would be something that cannot be explained politically because a defeat of this symbolic magnitude has never been felt.
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farnsworth
January 17, 2010 8:44 PM in reply to fiddystorms
If NY-23 was a teabagger victory, give me more teabagger victories!
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mophan
January 18, 2010 2:22 AM in reply to fiddystorms
NY-23. Forgotten that? You can add Mass to that list as well come Tuesday. I just cannot believe you actually think Repigs will win in Massachusetts.
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Riesz Fischer
January 15, 2010 4:00 PM
Kasich always scared me-- he would spew the same rhetoric as the other Pukes but he always looked to me like he really believed it.
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Indie Pro
January 15, 2010 4:18 PM
I miss the days when we called them Tea Baggers. Like, John Kasich was a tea partier when tea bagging was still cool.
How they were able to convince everyone, and TPM, to stop calling them by their original name is beyond me.
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fiddystorms
January 15, 2010 5:31 PM in reply to Indie Pro
roll with it, i love tea baggin liberals, that's what we do. Get used to that taste from, Tuesday you'll all be ballchinians I'll be dipping them in deep and i don't want you to forget that taste because it's a little while till Nov. You might want to start looking for real estate in Venezuela now cause it's gonna be decades before you get another shot.
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Kuyleh
January 15, 2010 5:53 PM in reply to fiddystorms
I think I know what your deal is...You're a closet sex freak that gets off on the innuendo of the entire Tea Bagger thing. You sound like a beer drinking frat boy, and you have an IQ about half of that. You have no idea of what you speak, moron...Go back to your beer and your Xbox. The adults are trying to talk here.
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fiddystorms
January 15, 2010 11:25 PM in reply to Kuyleh
XBOX??? That's for people in government housing sucking up our money collecting welfare checks and playing video games first thing after they wake up at 3:30 on a tuesday while you cry foul for them. You don't know my deal cause you refuse to leave your little closed mind. All you hang around with is like minded liberals drinking chi tea in your local Starbucks. What you need to know is that I am the majority... always have been, always will be. Get ready to live with choice and personal responsibility... freedom's gonna be a beeotch for ya!
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farnsworth
January 17, 2010 8:47 PM in reply to fiddystorms
You are the majority. You all by yourself.
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merlot
January 17, 2010 10:02 PM in reply to fiddystorms
please remove the white sheet from your head.... it's hiding nothing....
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mophan
January 18, 2010 2:24 AM in reply to fiddystorms
Yes, you like tea baggin', hence your name. That's alright with me. I'm cool with it.
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cadfile
January 15, 2010 4:19 PM
Kasich plan would drain $800 million from Ohio's budget in the first year and he has no plan to make that up but probably will do the usual "cut entitlements".
The tea baggers will love him because they all think they pay too many taxes... sigh
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Buckeye Terrorist Fist Jab Nation
January 15, 2010 4:34 PM
Kasich has been a wingnut-kook since our undergrad days at Ohio State.
He is a "true believer" in the right-wing teabagger sphere.
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hychka
January 15, 2010 5:53 PM
fiddystor,
Maybe you'd know. I've looking for a decision on this for weeks now and no answers.
Can we "carry" at the TPN thing down there in Tennessee? At the sessions, too?
Have you heard?
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fiddystorms
January 15, 2010 11:28 PM in reply to hychka
You can carry my sack in your mouth fruitcake
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Scott in PacNW
January 16, 2010 1:54 AM in reply to fiddystorms
Hey, there's that angry 'humor' you teabagger trolls are famous for.
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fiddystorms
January 16, 2010 3:05 AM in reply to Scott in PacNW
That wasn't anger, I was offering her a favor. She should be thrilled to do so. And I'm doing the world a favor by keeping her from saying anymore stupid s&#!.
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Solomon Drek
January 15, 2010 9:16 PM
"They're willing to give you one more chance, maybe," Kasich added. "And if you flub that one I suggest you not go to anymore tea parties, because there are a lot of trees around they can hang you from."
I thought the tea partiers just threw tea into Boston harbor. I didn't know they hanged the British as well.
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hychka
January 15, 2010 10:05 PM
These guys make up shit as they go along. Hell, a 'bagger can say anything because he has the right to.
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fiddystorms
January 16, 2010 1:25 AM in reply to hychka
Right, make up stuff like, Capitalism was the engine that created the greatest most powerful nation the world has ever known, allowing for the innovation that has brought us an incredible lifestyle a hundred years ahead of it's time. & Socialism has always failed. It has failed miserably everywhere. Creating a dependency class is a known downfall of great civilizations.
Yeah, we just make stuff up all day long, no historical basis!!! You people make me sick, if anyone makes stuff up it's people more prone to idealism and what things could be like if only... That's what a progressive is. We don't need to make stuff up because we have the blueprint for the greatest engine civilization has ever known. You are a useful idiot.
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Scott in PacNW
January 16, 2010 2:03 AM in reply to fiddystorms
Your 'history' -- like your humor -- is fraudulent, troll. In the US, capitalism has always been reliant on publicly financed infrastructure: Canals, railroads, bridges etc.
Same thing today: Water, sewer, roads, schools, ports, prisons, police, fire, military, etc.
I suggest you read about the actual Boston Tea Party. It was rebellion about monarchy-mandated subsidity for private corporations. Unlike your fraudulent teabagger group.
Now go away, dumbass.
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fiddystorms
January 16, 2010 3:21 AM in reply to Scott in PacNW
Not reliant, it's the other way around. The publicly financed infrastructure supports capitalism. The framers of the Constitution intended for a Capitalist system with extreme limitations on a central gov't.
To use your analogy, what is a road? it's a path by which goods and services may be delivered. It is not a path created so that people can go pay their taxes and promote social justice. Roads have existed since the beginning of time to transport goods. We build roads to better facilitate Capitalism.
Dude, don't tell me about my humor ya smacked ass, and don't go re-writing history either. Capitalism offers freedom and equality without prejudice. When gov't bastardizes it... that's a different story. That's why the answer is not more regulation as liberals always conclude, but less. You want jobs back here? You want competition? Unleash the greatest mechanism to achieve this ever known to mankind... Capitalism is Boss!
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Scott in PacNW
January 17, 2010 2:56 AM in reply to fiddystorms
Um, roads existed -- for travel -- way before capitalism. So much for your version of 'history.'
And I stand by my statement: Capitalism is reliant on state subsidies. That was true when canals were built, when railroads were built, when defense contracts are being issued, when Kuwaiti oil tankers are being escorted by gunboats, and when banks were bailed out in 2008 & 2009.
Geez, troll, have you ANY clue whatsoever? LOL
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farnsworth
January 17, 2010 8:51 PM in reply to fiddystorms
The Romans built unbelievably good roads. In order to move their armies around and conquer other countries. Moving goods and promoting capitalism had nothing to do with it.
But please, keep making stuff up.
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farnsworth
January 17, 2010 8:55 PM in reply to fiddystorms
One of the things that made America so great and powerful was a continent full of natural resources and poorly armed indigenous people that we exploited. Capitalism, in its rarer form, creates wealth through innovation. In its more common form (virtually all of it) creates wealth by exploiting poor people.
All bow down before the altar of capitalism! That is, if you are in the tiny minority who benefits, not the vast majority who are exploited.
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Lord Mike
January 16, 2010 3:08 AM
Kasich is too right wing of a nut to win in Ohio... assuming Ohioans pay attention. Only moderate republicans have every won statewide... Voinovich even raised taxes as governor... twice!
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fiddystorms
January 16, 2010 3:19 AM
Not reliant, it's the other way around. The publicly financed infrastructure supports capitalism. The framers of the Constitution intended for a Capitalist system with extreme limitations on a central gov't.
To use your analogy, what is a road? it's a path by which goods and services may be delivered. It is not a path created so that people can go pay their taxes and promote social justice. Roads have existed since the beginning of time to transport goods. We build roads to better facilitate Capitalism.
Dude, don't tell me about my humor ya smacked ass, and don't go re-writing history either. Capitalism offers freedom and equality without prejudice. When gov't bastardizes it... that's a different story. That's why the answer is not more regulation as liberals always conclude, but less. You want jobs back here? You want competition? Unleash the greatest mechanism to achieve this ever known to mankind... Capitalism is Boss!
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kfreed
January 16, 2010 7:01 AM in reply to fiddystorms
"Capitalism offers freedom and equality without prejudice..."
And just whose history are you reading? Is there a planet out there somewhere on which this is true? Pluto? But wait, wasn't it voted out of the solar system? So, on your planet, deregulation played no part in our economic meltdown? Wow.
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fiddystorms
January 16, 2010 8:35 PM in reply to kfreed
Dude, you're really not going to make this argument are you??? That's why people come here by the millions because of CAPITALISM!!! Go into a Dunkin Donuts and tell me differently you nutsack. How do you possibly think you're going to convince the majority of Americans differently?
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Scott in PacNW
January 17, 2010 3:00 AM in reply to fiddystorms
Plenty of capitalism under monarchial, militarist and totalitarian governments.
Your 'capitalism is freedom' argument = full of fail
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kfreed
January 16, 2010 6:55 AM
And how many tea party patriots are there? A few thousand dipsticks and suddenly they control the nation? Bullshit. A few shucksters shouting down everyone else in the room and suddenly the Republicans are runing for their lives? Give me a break. Talk about overamplification of the super-minority.
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fiddystorms
January 16, 2010 8:55 PM in reply to kfreed
You can pretend this isn't happening all you want. You can try to convince yourself that a million and a half people didn't show up in Washington DC on Sept. 12th as long as you want. You can only hope the news media stays on your side and continues to provide cover. That will backfire on them as we can already see. The fact is, it is happening. We can play the little game of; Socialist says, "oh yeah, what about NY 23" and "only 75,000 showed up" all you want, but you're not fooling anyone. You can't keep all of the readers here ingnorant with ridicule and snarky comments forever.
The ridicule and snarky comments actually helped us gain followers. As Nancy Pelosi and people like yourselves just on this board were screaming that this movement was astroturf and paid for by insurance co.'s etc. etc., family and friends who knew us knew it wasn't us who were lying, it was the left that was lying thus proving exactly what we had been warning them about all along. I shit you not, that's exactly the reason why this movement grew like it did. My father, a lifelong union Democrat actually switched parties! 15 years of trying to convince him of this and you guys did it for me in one summer! Thanks by the way.
Until you guys come out and say we were right and this is a debate about Socialism vs. Capitalism out in public, you'll continue to sink like a rock. Obviously you already know if you go public with that argument you'll sink like a rock as well otherwise you guys would be open about it. Either way, you lose.
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farnsworth
January 17, 2010 8:58 PM in reply to fiddystorms
Million and a half at Glenn Beck's crazy fest? ROFLMAO!!!
LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR!
No, don't stop!
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lexingtonave
January 16, 2010 7:01 AM
Maybe good old John Kasich should engage in a little tea bagging and he might forget all about the inane tea partying.
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hychka
January 16, 2010 11:39 AM
fiddystor didn't seem to know about "carrying" at the Tennessee TNP convention either. Why is this so hard on 'baggers?
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mjshep
January 16, 2010 1:10 PM
Fiddustorms' theme song is "Wonderful World."
Don't know much about history
Don't know much biology
Don't know much about a science book
Don't know much about the French I took
Don't know much about geography
Don't know much trigonometry
Don't know much about algebra
Don't know what a slide rule is for
But I do know that one and one is three
And if everyone would listen to me
What a wonderful world it would be.
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fiddystorms
January 16, 2010 9:09 PM in reply to mjshep
You really don't get it do you? The rest of America sees it this way. They see an ignorant liberal living in a 7th floor flat somewhere in a city who's never camped a day in their life trying to convince everyone they know more about nature and the environment than someone in rural America that lives off the land, or a hunter or woodsman. They proceed to push for legislation that affects everyone else's life because they know better. There's you're one and one is three.
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Tintin
January 17, 2010 1:22 PM in reply to fiddystorms
Actually, it's probably time we went to one person, one vote...and made the Senate proportional, too. Then we'll watch as all those hunters and campers and others living in the sparsely populated red states get the real representation their small numbers deserve.
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farnsworth
January 17, 2010 9:00 PM in reply to fiddystorms
Before I was disabled I camped and fished a lot. I have never lived higher than a second floor apartment.
Got any more straw men you want to wave around?
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Nutter
January 18, 2010 1:26 AM in reply to fiddystorms
I really do not get you people.
Are liberals people making 10,000 a year and surviving as welfare queens on your dime?
Or are liberals rich people that go to Harvard (the people that eventually become your corporation's boss)
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Honey Bunches Of Stoats
January 16, 2010 11:32 PM
Ideologues always think "rest of America" agrees with them. How could you afford to be so self-righteous, otherwise?
You're showing your ignorance of anything outside your little sphere with that silly stereotyping of liberals. Plenty of us grew up hunting and farming in rural areas, and that is precisely what fuels our desire to preserve natural spaces. Also, quite a few of us grew up working class, hence our desire to pay people a living wage. See how that works? Sometimes people just have a different viewpoint, even if they have the same background and experiences.
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USgreentech
January 17, 2010 11:11 AM
He believes in WMD in Iraq.
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jeffgee
January 17, 2010 11:40 AM
Boy, fiddy really stunk up the place today.
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USgreentech
January 17, 2010 8:38 PM
The old host from some fake news show? Fake news, faux news, what a crapola network. Call 'em out.
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hologram5
January 18, 2010 8:57 AM
Don't you mean, Douchiest, knuckledragging frat boy? That, from the looks of the picture sounds more accurate.
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