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The man who chaired Barack Obama's transition to the presidency, and who runs the most influential Democratic think tank in Washington has a message for the Senate: The House won't pass your health care bill until you take action first--so it's on you.

"My own view...is that you have to insure that the Senate goes first," John Podesta told me after an event with leading union figures at the Center for American Progress this morning. "You have to have the fix before the package can pass the House. I just didn't see any way, if you will, that the House was going to bet" on the Senate acting later.

"It seems me that asking the House to take a flier on what the Senate can do--we've kind of watched that move all along the past year, it hasn't worked out that good. So it's incumbent upon the Senate to really go first," Podesta added.

Podesta is the latest influential Democrat to endorse a version of what's come to be known as "Plan B" for health care reform. The House can pass the Senate health care bill, but only if there's a guarantee that the Senate will be able to pass a separate bill, making significant changes to some of its key provisions. Podesta says that means the Senate needs to take concrete steps--promises won't suffice.

His view is echoed by SEIU President Andy Stern, who said all the other options on the table--a scaled down reform effort, or a multiple bill strategy--ought to be taken off the table.

"It seems to me to be the easiest path--the only path--forward. To do something comprehensive both for jobs, the deficit, and health care is to take the Senate bill as it is as a foundation, to find ways, whether through reconciliation or other legislative processes to fix the things that I think a lot of people agree need to be fixed, both now in the House and the Senate."

Putting the onus on the Senate may be necessary, but it won't be easy. Stern described Senate Democrats in withering terms, saying they squandered their supermajority by negotiating with "terrorists" on the party's right flank. "Voting doesn't seem to be something that they're very good at," Stern said. "Or debating. They had a chance, a gift, from the American people--60 votes, so they could, for the first time in their life, debate any single issue they chose to debate. And they squandered it. They squandered it badly. And I think they paid a price up in Massachusetts, and they'll continue to pay a price."

"We should send the national security people over to explain to them why we don't negotiate with terrorists," Stern said. "There are a lot of terrorists over in the Senate who think we're supposed to negotiate with them when they have their particular needs that they want met."

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January 26, 2010 11:21 AM   

Told ya so. If even a leading establishment mouthpiece can see and say this, there's no excuse for some of our dimmer commenters.

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January 26, 2010 11:30 AM   

"You have to have the fix before the package can pass the House.

Translation: nothing is going to happen. After a year of this crap, nothing is going to happen.

I've learned in the past week that President Obama will fight. He'll fight for a candidate he knows has no chance of winning. Who, he also knows, no doubt, didn't deserve to win. He'll fight for Ben Bernanke.

He won't, however, fight for health care reform.

But at least he's going to propose a bunch of shit for the symbolism.

Oh, and he'll fight for Republican support that is never ever going to come.

He's the Charlie Brown president, leader of the Charlie Brown Party.

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January 26, 2010 3:19 PM    in reply to CT Voter

I think the Charlie Brown metaphor really captures it. He's confident that THIS TIME, Lucy won't move the football!

It is incredibly frustrating to watch.

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January 26, 2010 11:33 AM   

"My own view...is that you have to insure that the Senate goes first,"

While I am all about insurance coverage, you have to Ensure also.

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January 26, 2010 11:59 AM   

Pass The Damn Senate Bill

30 million more Americans will have health insurance
18,000-45,000 fewer Americans will die annually because they failed to seek treatment till it was too late.
The donut whole in Medicare prescription drug coverage will be filled.
The first halting steps in health care cost containment will be started.

Pass The Damn Senate Bill

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January 26, 2010 12:04 PM    in reply to Frex

In regards to the Senate Bill:

“It is tragic to see the promise from Washington this year for genuine, comprehensive reform ground down to a seriously flawed bill that could actually exacerbate the health care crisis and financial insecurity for American families, and that cedes far too much additional power to the tyranny of a callous insurance industry,” said co-president Karen Higgins in a statement.

“Sadly, we have ended up with legislation that fails to meet the test of true health care reform, guaranteeing high quality, cost effective care for all Americans, and instead are further locking into place a system that entrenches the chokehold of the profit-making insurance giants on our health. If this bill passes, the industry will become more powerful and could be beyond the reach of reform for generations,” she added.


http://www.calnurses.org/media-center/in-the-news/2009/december/nation-s-largest-rn-organization-says-healthcare-bill-cedes-too-much-to-insurance-industry.html

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January 26, 2010 1:13 PM    in reply to Indie Pro

Now that we live in the United Corporations of America, it really doesn't matter what happens to the Senate Bill, or the House bill, or whatever bill.

We'll darn well get what our corporate overlords WANT us to get, and we'll be happy to get it, too. Because it is ALL we'll get ever again.

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January 26, 2010 12:10 PM    in reply to Frex

30 million more Americans will have health insurance

30 million more Americans will be mandated to buy crappy health insurance that they can't afford.

There. Fixed that for you.

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January 26, 2010 4:07 PM    in reply to mjshep

Well, a big chunk of that 30 million will be getting single-payer, government provided health care under expanded medicaid.

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January 26, 2010 12:55 PM    in reply to Frex

Well put. Ride the horse you have. The horse you want will wither and die before it ever gets out of the Senate.

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January 26, 2010 12:10 PM   

You can't pass a fixed bill in the Senate. That's why we've got the bill we have from them now. It's not going to get any better. The Conservadems that were persuaded to vote for the Senate bill have all but said they're not going to cooperate anymore. Their support is gone. Pass the Senate bill in the House now.

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January 26, 2010 12:21 PM    in reply to chimpale

@chimpale:

You're right that the Senate passed the bill it could pass, but the House is holding it hostage now to wring some concessions out of the Senate in a reconciliation bill. After all, the Senate DOES want their bill to pass.

All Democrats will lose support if the bill doesn't pass.

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January 26, 2010 12:22 PM    in reply to chimpale

Says the Conservadem apologist. No, they weren't "persuaded"; they were BRIBED and the whole country knows it. If the Dems do what you want they are utterly worthless. Fortunately, the House won't do it. The Senate monstrosity is DOA. So, for the self-proclaimed "reality-based" analysts: put that in your pipe and smoke it. Deal with the House or get nothing.

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January 26, 2010 1:24 PM    in reply to wbgonne

Deal with the House or get nothing.

In other words, "get nothing."

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January 26, 2010 3:37 PM    in reply to wbgonne

Says the Conservadem apologist.

Wow. Pretty incendiary, there. I can't think of anything I said in my post, or in any post ever, that could be described as anything but contempt for the Conservadems.

Go see what Bayh and Lincoln said today. These people have no clue about the urgency of getting some of the reforms in place, such as ending pre-existing conditions. It's just politics to them, not something that means life and death to millions of people. They're much more concerned with what it might mean to their careers than what it would mean to people who are just trying to stay alive.

That's why I say you won't be able to get a better bill through the Senate.

"Persuaded" vs. "bribed". You're picking nits.

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January 26, 2010 9:49 PM    in reply to wbgonne

Having read Chimpale's comments for quite a while, wbg, I can reasonably assure you that s/he's no Conservadem apologist. Please hold your fire. You can check comments yourself -- google "chimpale site:talkingpontsmemo.com" to get started.

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January 27, 2010 1:27 AM    in reply to gharlane

Please hold your fire.

Better: Please reserve your fire for those who truly deserve it. Sadly, those folks are not in short supply on TPM (though I notice their number is continually shrinking).

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January 26, 2010 12:58 PM    in reply to chimpale

The point is that the fixes that the House is asking for, most of them anyway, would not require 60 votes. The would require 50 votes plus Joe Biden because they can take place through the budget reconciliation process. There are probably about 52 or 53 votes for most of the fixes, so it should be doable.

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January 26, 2010 3:41 PM    in reply to allastair

The point is that the fixes that the House is asking for, most of them anyway, would not require 60 votes. The would require 50 votes plus Joe Biden because they can take place through the budget reconciliation process. There are probably about 52 or 53 votes for most of the fixes, so it should be doable.

You're right about what it would take, procedurally. I just dread seeing anything have to go through the Senate again. If there's any way to kill it or drag it out past November, they'll do it.

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January 26, 2010 4:11 PM    in reply to allastair

Are you sure? Think who has already committed to opposing or is likely to oppose: Bayh, Lincoln, Nelson, Landrieu, Lieberman. Right away, you have 5 nos to substract from 59 Dems, leaving you with 54. Then, do you think that Mark Pryor (AR), Kay Hagen (NC), Bill Nelson (FL), Jim Webb and Mark Warner (VA) are particularly strong yeses? If not, then you are down to 49. To me, it sounds like we might have to pass the Senate bill or nothing.

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January 26, 2010 12:25 PM   

The Senate was supposed to enable us to practice a very fine form of democracy: majority rule with minority rights protected. Yet, it has replaced the fine idea with an utterly undemocratic form of governance: the tyranny of the minority. Time to reform the Senate. We have to put term limits. We have to limit the use of filibuster.

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January 26, 2010 12:33 PM    in reply to chrisl

Agreed on the filibuster, but not on term limits.

The filibuster has just become the new "no" vote. The Senate has to adapt to that new reality and moderate the filibuster to make it a delaying tactic rather than an outright killing one (I think that's what Tom Harkin's proposed change is).

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January 26, 2010 12:41 PM    in reply to mrut

Exactly. The landscape is completely different now that the GOP has decided en masse to oppose everything Obama wants that isn't Republican. The filibuster as now used by the GOP renders the Senate inoperable. It MUST change.

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January 26, 2010 2:09 PM    in reply to wbgonne

The landscape is completely different now that the GOP has decided en masse to oppose everything Obama wants that isn't Republican.

Heck, they're opposing things that effectively are Republican! This bill is actually a pretty good example of that...it's to the right of Romneycare, and much closer to the GOP's 1993 suggestion than to Clinton's.

Please note that I still support this bill, because it's better than the status quo. I also think that we should have started this debate someplace far, far to the left of where we did start it (which was pretty close to dead-center).

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January 26, 2010 12:48 PM   

It's all the House's fault! Those damned Progressives want everything! Who the hell do they think they are, demanding that the Republicrats keep promises? What good are DLC promises if they can't be broken?

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January 26, 2010 1:46 PM   

Honestly this is all foreplay. If you look at the statements of all the leading progressives in the House, they leave the door open for the Senate bill to pass provided they get a few of their changes in reconciliation (excise tax exemption on unions, start date moved up, increased subsidies, etc). It's the only logical way this can play out. So expect to see some momentum build for this after the SOTU. I know its been said far too many times lately but chill out and give Obama a chance to make his case before you throw him overboard.

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January 26, 2010 1:50 PM   

Pass the Senate bill or lose the 2008 support that put Democrats in charge. It's not just "Obama voters" who will desert the Democrats.

Voters simply will not remember the ins and outs of the political wrangling. But give this mess anoter week and it will solidify in voters' minds that the Democrats cannot govern.

Pass the Senate Bill and then dare Republicans to vote "nay" on correcting the worst piece of the bill--Nelson's Sweetheart Deal for Nebraska.

If the Dems pass the Senate bill now and contain the carnage in the fall elections, we cannot be written out of the political scene. And I am very suspicious of the motives of anyone who apparently expects fairies to descend and keep the Democrats in power or to advance any progressive/liberal legislation without the Democrats in power.

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