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Poll: Brown Leads Coakley By 3
MA Senate candidates Martha Coakley (D) and Scott Brown (R).
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A new poll released today by ARG shows the Massachusetts Senate race to be a dead heat three days before the special election. Republican Scott Brown led Democrat Martha Coakley by three points, 48-45, among 600 likely voters surveyed by ARG on Thursday and Friday. The poll's margin of error is 4%.
Democrats are going all out this weekend to boost support and drive turnout for Coakley as political observers increasingly see the race slipping away from her in the final days. President Obama is heading to Massachusetts to headline a rally for Coakley tomorrow afternoon, having already recorded a robo-call for Coakley last week. Republicans, meanwhile, are dumping millions into the state in support of Brown, hoping for a surprise upset in the race to fill Ted Kennedy's old seat in the Senate.
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chuck DC
January 16, 2010 2:03 PM
none of the polls reported yest have decent margin of error. Total guesswork as to what is going on.
Let's hope the campaign is freaked out by them anyway and gets a move on....
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ilovebacon
January 16, 2010 2:06 PM in reply to chuck DC
Where's their proof that 4% margin of error isn't more than that?
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Silence
January 16, 2010 6:10 PM in reply to chuck DC
The throne of Camelot could use a good flushing.
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xalien
January 16, 2010 10:18 PM in reply to chuck DC
Dems must look at automatic voting machines. Polls are one advance for justify fraud.
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cambridgeMR
January 16, 2010 2:17 PM
All of you people need to be donating to Martha Coakley right NOW. I've been doing phone banks and there are a lot of Brown voters out there and even more undecideds.
This is not a joke. This will derail healthcare reform immediately.
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wbgonne
January 16, 2010 2:53 PM in reply to cambridgeMR
So what. The legislation is a piece of shit. If it weren't Coakely wouldn't be on the verge of losing Ted Kennedy's seat one year after a Dem landslide. You want to motivate people, find another way like OBama committing himself to the progressive agenda he promised. We'll see what he says when he gets here but if it's more pablum (Vote for us because we aren't them!), it won't turn the tide.
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MyMy
January 16, 2010 3:34 PM in reply to wbgonne
Not as much of a 'pos' as it's been touted to be. I was fairly amazed to understand, for example, what the "cadillac' excise tax is about. It's about fundamentally altering or disrupting the transfer of wealth from employers directly to insurance companies, by holding employee wages down, and offering them 'great insurance' instead. This is a long range move, to get the insurance companies off the payroll of employers and put real money in the hands of employees instead. I
That doesn't sound like a 'pos' to me.
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wbgonne
January 16, 2010 3:46 PM in reply to MyMy
Oh, please. If it's so great why does Coakley fail to mention it? Why does it poll at 30%?
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Mateo123
January 16, 2010 8:53 PM in reply to wbgonne
You know, this is just such an abortive response. So, the answer to Obama's failure to enact progressive legislation is to elect Birthers, Tea Partiers and other far-right men?
The answer is to elect more real Democrats who are willing to push for progressive causes. Coakley seems to be just one of those Democrats. It's NOT to elect right-wing Glenn Beck followers.
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AhTrini1
January 16, 2010 8:57 PM in reply to Mateo123
Dumbass reactionary folks, they don't think; they just react or in tis case may not act at all. Again, whatever they get they freakin' deserve.
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wbgonne
January 17, 2010 10:26 AM in reply to AhTrini1
If we progressives got what we deserved (and what we voted for) there would be real health care reform on the table and Coakley would be ahead by 15 points. Now it is the Democratic that will get what it deserves.
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matsuiny2004
January 16, 2010 10:40 PM in reply to Mateo123
I agree with you. I am so sick of hearing about liberals that say they will not vote for democrats since their is no public option. Even if you do not like the heathcare bill scott brown does not want any healthcare bill and that would leave many middle class and poor families still without health insurance and the insuranc companies can still drop peoplr for having prexisting conditions and impose health caps on people that need care. Thre is even a medicaid exapnsion for the poor which goes up to 29,000 a year and single people can be on medicaid too (apparently they could not before) and medicaid funding for states from the government. There can be a public option or single payer later. Even Canada evolved towards single payer it is not like just one day they decided oh lets do this. Thre other issues like global warming that I have seen some liberals seem to forget aboutwhich is why you would vote democrat. Scott brown wont even be open to supporting cap and trade as an option.
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wbgonne
January 17, 2010 10:24 AM in reply to matsuiny2004
You are delusional. Regardless of the MA outcome, there isn't going to be any climate change legislation. Obama and the Dems blew it when they abandoned the public option and the progressive movement that propelled Obama's candidacy. The Conservadems have won. The Democratic party belongs to them and they will not support any meaningful energy legislation.
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ESK
January 17, 2010 12:35 PM in reply to wbgonne
Another ultra progressive destructo. I'm so tired of your type.
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wbgonne
January 17, 2010 2:32 PM in reply to ESK
Not as sick as I am of YOUR DLC-Dem type.
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AhTrini1
January 16, 2010 8:54 PM in reply to cambridgeMR
IF that happens dumbass Democrats and progressives will get what they deserve!!!!
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Zell
January 16, 2010 2:35 PM
WTF, MA.
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alan2a
January 16, 2010 2:37 PM
It would appear that the birds are coming home to nest. You can only promise real health care reform, change you can believe in, transparency, financial reform and jobs and deliver on nothing before people become totally turned off. Read Froomkin on Huffpost, read taibbi, read Reich, and you begin to get the idea that these guys are just the latest incarnation of the DLC which in the end makes them the moderate wing of the Republican Party masquerading as Democrats.
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wbgonne
January 16, 2010 2:48 PM in reply to alan2a
You will be chastised and corrected shortly because everybody knows it's all the fault of progressives, liberals and hippies.
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Viva!America!
January 16, 2010 3:05 PM in reply to wbgonne
Until you realize the faults within your own "organization", you will never gain the respect that you all so desperately crave.
This victim card you keep playing is tired and your unwillingness to admit weakness or mistakes is a sure sign of arrogance.
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wbgonne
January 16, 2010 3:17 PM in reply to Viva!America!
What organization? I don't even know what you're talking about. Are you saying that most people here have not repeatedly blamed liberals, progressives and hippies for all that is wrong with the Obama Administration? If so, you don't read very well.
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This is Hilarious!
January 16, 2010 2:54 PM
Well Zell, we independents (51% of the electorate) in MA have had it with the political arrogance and FAR left governing in Washington. Therefore, we are going to vote for Brown on Tuesday and more Republicans in November!
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wbgonne
January 16, 2010 2:56 PM in reply to This is Hilarious!
Bullshit. You Teabaggers are just insane. The people who actually voted for Obama are demanding that he act on the progressive agenda he promised. If he moves right he's finished.
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This is Hilarious!
January 16, 2010 3:05 PM in reply to wbgonne
Really elegant wording wbgonne. Typical FAR left anger. I voted for Obama and now I am voting for Brown. So are the majority of independents I know. You can rant and rave all you want, but the fact that this liberal state is about to send a Republican into the senate for the first time in almost 40 years should speak volumes about the rejection of this administration's policies.
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wbgonne
January 16, 2010 3:11 PM in reply to This is Hilarious!
The majority of independents I know are disappointed and demoralized but not for the reason you say: after Bush and the Republicans just about destroyed the country people wanted progress. They wanted reform. They wanted change. What they got is more of the same that we got with you Republicans: BS by D.C. politicians in the tank with Big Business.
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brewmn61
January 16, 2010 6:00 PM in reply to This is Hilarious!
Anyone who would vote for Obama and vote for a Scott Brown one year later is too confused to deserve the vote.
Remember to put on slippers and a robe when you leave the house, my friend. Massachusetts can be cold in January, and you sound like you might get lost trying to find your way back home.
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wbgonne
January 16, 2010 3:08 PM in reply to This is Hilarious!
And another thing. You lunatic Teabaggers think people agree with you and that's why Obama's popularity is down. It not's that: you people all hated every breath he took from day one so he never had your support and he never could. Obama and the Dems are suffering because the left of the Democratic party and left-leaning Independents and just about anyone with a brain who just survived the Worst President in History are all desperate for real reform. Progressive reform. If Obama realizes it, he can easily tap into the populist anger you nuts think you control. Then, Bye-Bye Teabaggers.
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ilovebacon
January 16, 2010 6:23 PM in reply to This is Hilarious!
You sound happy about this. Do you long for the days of Buch/Cheney? Are you happy that because of them the American empire is in shambles with China taking over? May God have no mercy on your digusting soul. Enjoy Dante's inferno.
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AnswerFrog
January 16, 2010 3:09 PM
WTF, Mass?
And the key is going to be TURN OUT, TURN OUT, TURN OUT.
Money is good but getting on the phone and calling people is better. We need to harangue people to go vote until close of polls Tuesday.
As for so-called progressives who are saying this proves their point or whatever other childish bullshit, this kills the chance for progress on anything you hold dear -- climate change, financial reform, etc. If you greet this news with schadenfruede, you are a sociopath.
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This is Hilarious!
January 16, 2010 3:11 PM in reply to AnswerFrog
Typical FAR left anger. I voted for Obama and now I am voting for Brown. So are the majority of independents I know. You can rant and rave all you want, but the fact that this liberal state is about to send a Republican into the senate for the first time in almost 40 years should speak volumes about the rejection of this administration's policies.
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wbgonne
January 16, 2010 3:14 PM in reply to This is Hilarious!
Brown is a right-wing moron who will, if given the chance, finish off the country by adopting the exact same policies that the Republicans used under Bush to drive the U.S. into the ground. You are utterly deluded if you think people want that again.
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This is Hilarious!
January 16, 2010 3:24 PM in reply to wbgonne
Get a clue, it is about restoring BALANCE. The Republicans would have 41 seats opposed to the 59 the Dems would have. Brown won't be able to enact ANY legislation. However, he will give the Republicans the ability to stop the FAR left movement in Washington and that is exactly what the people want. Stay tuned, we're going to prove it on Tuesday!
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wbgonne
January 16, 2010 3:28 PM in reply to This is Hilarious!
As I just said:
I am skeptical of your bona fides, Mr. Troll. (You really shouldn't cut and paste comments two paragraphs apart. That might trick the Teabaggers but people here are within the normal intelligence range.)
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This is Hilarious!
January 16, 2010 3:32 PM in reply to wbgonne
That's about efficiency wbgonne. Do you know the meaning of that word? This one is just for you, you're an ignorant, closed minded, far left liberal who is acting out because your kind is about to be dealt a death blow! Deal with it, there is WAY more to come in November...
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wbgonne
January 16, 2010 3:34 PM in reply to This is Hilarious!
Oh yeah, the country is yearning to return to the Bush regime. Ho! Ho! Ho!
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wbgonne
January 16, 2010 3:31 PM in reply to This is Hilarious!
Really? Far left legislation like a health insurance bill that doesn't even include a limited public plan and gives billions to the same corporations who have been gouging American citizens for years? Far left? You ain't seen nothin yet. Chump. Chew on that.
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This is Hilarious!
January 16, 2010 3:34 PM in reply to wbgonne
Hey jackass, do your research. WE ALREADY HAVE HEALTH CARE IN MA! 99% of the population in covered! We did it on our own, why should we subsidize the rest of the states that can't get their act together?
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wbgonne
January 16, 2010 3:38 PM in reply to This is Hilarious!
Um, because it's the right thing to do for the country? Or because every other developed nation in the world already provides health care for its citizens? Or maybe because our employer-based health care system is choking our businesses and making them uncompetitive in a global marketplace? Or because if done properly it will restrain the health care costs that have spun out of control due to greed in the health care system?
You pick.
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This is Hilarious!
January 16, 2010 3:42 PM in reply to wbgonne
Agreed, do it on the state level. If we can, why can't the rest? We pay 7% higher premiums than the rest of the nation because of it. Time for the rest of the states to treat their citizens the way we treat ours (and foot their own bill the way we do).
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wbgonne
January 16, 2010 3:49 PM in reply to This is Hilarious!
I just explained that to you.
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Barry Champlain
January 16, 2010 7:57 PM in reply to This is Hilarious!
Yo Black: I think maybe the reason you self-sufficient MA folks managed to pull yourselves up by your own bootstraps is because you had a Senator named Teddy Kennedy.
And now, you would suggest that the unique individual who gave you everything you brag about be replaced by a right-wing Ken doll, a cipher for the health care industry who shits on literally everything Ted Kennedy stood for?
The "FAR LEFT" may be a great straw man for you O'Reilly types (I think he gets a few cents, every time you use that expression), but the far right never ceases to amaze, with what sanguine aplomb they (you) can spout illogic and hypocrisy, and turn Reality on its head.
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Barry Champlain
January 16, 2010 8:15 PM in reply to Barry Champlain
Oh, and perhaps I should preempt your next comment, the one where you condescendingly explain to us that Kennedy was a Senator, not a lawmaker in Massachusetts, and therefore had nothing to do with their health care system (which I'm also sure you'll attribute to Mitt Romney... who, as a Republican president, would queer the deal for all of us so that we'll never be blessed with some sort of health care reform, like you Bay Staters are!).
It's called "leadership". Look it up.
And I guarandamntee you never would have had your health care system in place, if the locals hadn't benefitted from that kind of leadership. There was a time when the folks in MA understood who a leader was, and got their asses in gear and made sure he had the support he needed, every six years.
But you know what? Since Senator Kennedy's's been gone, apparently you guys have fallen victim to the conventional wisdom of Fat, Lazy, Low-Information America: "Let's give the other side a chance, for awhile". With true moral leadership like Ted's to keep you honest, you never would have gone there. But you're willing to now, and the permanent damage he (and you) will do will far transcend a few years of "Let's give the guy a chance!" (ref: G.W. Bush, post-Clinton).
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Evan Waters
January 16, 2010 5:21 PM in reply to wbgonne
That outlaws the obscene practice of denying health insurance to people with pre-existing conditions?
Clearly your compassion runneth over.
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wbgonne
January 16, 2010 5:36 PM in reply to Evan Waters
Oh yeah? What will the premiums cost?
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Evan Waters
January 16, 2010 5:50 PM in reply to wbgonne
Better expensive premiums than not having the option to buy insurance at all, which is the condition I'm now in.
It's not just about money. I CANNOT GET IN THE DOOR without insurance. I'm dependent on the largesse of the free clinic just to get medication prescriptions, and God help me if I'm ever in an accident. And I'm lucky just to have that.
FFS, people are being excluded for BEING BEATEN BY THEIR SPOUSE. This is not tolerable. This is not something we can wait on. There is no reason to allow this to continue. And if we kill the bill, it will continue.
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hewhohasnoname
January 17, 2010 2:05 PM in reply to Evan Waters
Two important points:
1) Premiums for most people will stay the same or be reduced. [Previous CBO estimates said about 3% of the population with see premium increases.]
2) However, for many people seeing an increase in their premiums, OVERALL COST will be reduced due to subsidies.
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celldumceen
January 16, 2010 9:30 PM in reply to This is Hilarious!
Balance in politics means gridlock! Gridlock means nothing getting done!
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HonestBrokerBoston
January 16, 2010 3:23 PM in reply to This is Hilarious!
It says that independents are unrealistic and uneducated on history if they think one years time is enough to make the change that we need after a decade of Bush policies that sent us spiraling into a near depression. Independents should be grateful that Democrats have all the power right now, because thoughout history they have always cleaned up after Republicans who seek to destroy a functioning government if it becomes successful. A vote for Scott Brown is a stupid one.
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This is Hilarious!
January 16, 2010 3:54 PM in reply to HonestBrokerBoston
Nope, we're not grateful at all about the FAR left movement. If the Dems were smart, they would bring it back to the middle where the majority of the population wants our government. Bush was too far right, Obama is too far left. Unfortunately, this board is full of individuals that see things only one way - no matter what the Dems are correct and the Repubs are wrong. That is just flat out ignorant. Idependents weigh each issue on its merits and vote as such. You will see a beautiful display of it on Tuesday!
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wbgonne
January 16, 2010 3:59 PM in reply to This is Hilarious!
Anyone who claims Obama has moved too far left is a Teabagging idiot. LIsten, Mr. Troll, nobody's buying your shit. Bush nearly destroyed the country. Obama has failed to do enough to right the ship so many of us are pissed. But it was you Republicans who nearly sunk us. Nobody is going to forget that. Nobody. Take that Teabagger Brown and send him to Mississippi where he belongs.
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This is Hilarious!
January 16, 2010 4:03 PM in reply to wbgonne
You continue to prove your vile ignorance, wbgonne. It is your anger and lack of intelligence that has your party doomed. I'm done responding to your closed minded nonsense. I will simply take comfort in the rage that I know will overcome your pea sized brain on Tuesday...
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wbgonne
January 16, 2010 4:06 PM in reply to This is Hilarious!
Yup. See you Tuesday. I'll recognize you with the Teabags stapled to your Yankees cap.
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wbgonne
January 16, 2010 3:27 PM in reply to This is Hilarious!
I am skeptical of your bona fides, Mr. Troll. (You really shouldn't cut and paste comments two paragraphs apart. That might trick the Teabaggers but people here are within the normal intelligence range.)
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wbgonne
January 16, 2010 3:54 PM in reply to AnswerFrog
Yes, insulting progressives has been SO successful so far. So successful that the Dems amy well lose Ted Kennedy's seat. Keep it up. The Repubs will be back in control in no time. At least they will stand and fight for some things. (Unfortunately for the country, the Republicans haven't had a good idea in 40 years.)
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cwnidog
January 16, 2010 7:47 PM in reply to wbgonne
The Conservadems would prefer that we stay in the attic like a crazy uncle and only show our faces in alternate Novembers, and even then just long enough to vote for the DLC, third-way, neolib of the moment. After that they'd prefer if we'd just get out of the way so they can get back to the back-breaking job of teling us why, even with a huge Senate majority, they just can't seem to get anything done.
I cast my first vote in 1974, it was for Teddy Kennedy. I can't seem to find his party anywhere today.
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wbgonne
January 17, 2010 10:33 AM in reply to cwnidog
Amen.
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patmcgrowen
January 16, 2010 7:44 PM in reply to AnswerFrog
My question to sit-at-home on election day progressives, is this... Does letting anyone with an R by their name further our progess or agenda in any way? I understand it is frustrating the way 09 turned out. But how would it have been if McCain/Palin had won. Furthermore, the entire campaign was conducted prior to the fatal collapse of our economy. Imagine what would have been said on the campaign trail if the collapse happened in 07, I'm sure some things would have been different. I'm sure different campaign promises would've been made.
Let's face it people, you have two choices and it is usually picking the LESSER of the evils. Electing a Republican is electing the devil you know, we know what Republican policies produce. A Lost Decade and the Great Recession. Wake up people, we are about to hand over control of our Congress back to the people who destroyed the country. I just don't get it. I thought we were on the cusp of a movement. But one vote, one election day, and things aren't perfect so you give up and go home. It will be many elections and several years to just begin a progressive movement. Obama is just the beginning and just a small piece of the puzzle. Eliminating Republican's is the first and number one priority of a progressive agenda. Just think a year ago everyone was talking about the downward spiral of the GOP, "maybe they will go the way of the Wigs". And here they are about to claim Ted Kennedy's seat, just unfathomable. Because Obama isn't THE ONE, he didn't fix everything in the first year, he didn't go screaming to the Left. I always knew Obama was a centrist the whole time. But he was better than McCain and that's the choice we had, our next choice in Coakley or Brown. Which is a step closer to a progressive nation?
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wbgonne
January 17, 2010 10:32 AM in reply to patmcgrowen
Trust us, huh? Again. Sorry but I'm not persuaded. Obama's first year has proven that the DLC-dominated Democratic Party has no interest in progressive policies. They just want our votes so they can do whatever benefits their Big Business masters. Charlie Brown never realized that Lucy would move the football every time but I'm not that dumb.
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Fitgerald
January 16, 2010 3:27 PM
How many times will people fall for the: I'm an independent minded moderate republican act?
Brown is a Mitt Romney republican who will say anything to get the vote. This guy, and HIS PARTY, could give two shits about people that have to work for a living, and especially those that have been put out of work because of HIS PARTY.
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wbgonne
January 16, 2010 3:33 PM in reply to Fitgerald
Brown is a neanderthal who will carry the Republicans' water and embarrass our state for six fucking years!
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HonestBrokerBoston
January 16, 2010 3:42 PM in reply to wbgonne
Luckily it's only about three years left in the term, if he gets in the seat is up for election again because Ted was only a third or half of the way through his term.
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wbgonne
January 16, 2010 3:48 PM in reply to HonestBrokerBoston
Oh yeah that's right. Even if he squeaks in now Brown will be a one-termer and MA will turn on him as soon as he makes his first insane Republican move (which will not take long).
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Silence
January 16, 2010 4:50 PM
For the past year, every time I've read the slur "teabagger" on this and other far left forums, I have added $10 to my political donation fund. It has become quite a pile of money!
Just threw some of that cash Brown's way. I hope it helps.
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ilovebacon
January 16, 2010 5:08 PM in reply to Silence
Shut your pie hole. You did not. Economy is in the gutters. You have no money. Admit it, troll.
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ilovebacon
January 16, 2010 5:09 PM in reply to Silence
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Silence
January 16, 2010 5:26 PM in reply to ilovebacon
$4800. No problem.
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ilovebacon
January 16, 2010 5:34 PM in reply to Silence
Good. You'll be broke by the time I'm done. Teabagger!
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Silence
January 16, 2010 5:54 PM in reply to ilovebacon
I don't think so. This is the best investment I can make for the future of my children.
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ilovebacon
January 16, 2010 6:21 PM in reply to Silence
I have no respect for anyone who puts his poor children's future in GOP hands. You must hate the souls of your miserable kids.
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Silence
January 16, 2010 7:23 PM in reply to ilovebacon
Outside Independence Hall whenthe Constitutional Convention of 1787 ended,Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin,
"Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?"
With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded,
"A republic, if you can keep it."
My children will have freedom to succeed or fail. Is there anything better?
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mr. e
January 17, 2010 10:35 AM in reply to Silence
somwhere there is a bag with it's tea missing.
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wbgonne
January 17, 2010 10:45 AM in reply to Silence
You are fighting for your children's "freedom" to be controlled and exploited by the soulless multi-national corporations that own the U.S., and abetted by the Republican Party en masse and just enough Dems to neuter them as a viable counterweight. You want freedom for your children? You need a properly-functioning central government to protect them. Perhaps you have forgotten that ours is supposed to be a government of, for, and by the people. Government is how people come together to solve common problems. At least in theory, we ARE the government. You want to protect your children? Fight for better government freed from corporate masters. Government is not the problem; it is the solution.
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Silence
January 17, 2010 10:10 PM in reply to wbgonne
I see. So, by confiscating property and redistributing the earnings of my labor, the govt is protecting me?
I don't think so. No sale.
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wbgonne
January 18, 2010 9:03 AM in reply to Silence
Fine. Go live in your own country. You won't have to pay any taxes or work cooperatively with anyone else. Of course, you'd be ten in 2 weeks but you and your children would be oh so free.
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wbgonne
January 18, 2010 9:05 AM in reply to wbgonne
Correction:
Fine. Go live in your own country. You won't have to pay any taxes or work cooperatively with anyone else. Of course, you'd be DEAD in 2 weeks but you and your children would be oh so free.
Ooops.
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wbgonne
January 16, 2010 5:35 PM in reply to Silence
A sensitive Teabagger. That's sort of like a sensitive Nazi, huh?
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jdb316
January 16, 2010 5:54 PM
Question for the people who say the health care reform bill doesn't go far enough and want to torpedo it and start from scratch:
Do you remember what happened the last time an attempt at health care reform got torpedoed? The Republicans immediately took control of Congress and it took 16 years until another President could get the ball rolling on it again.
I know this bill is going to mostly suck. But is it really worth waiting another 15-20 years before having to start from the very beginning? Is it really that bad?
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Silence
January 16, 2010 5:58 PM in reply to jdb316
Yes. It is that bad. A much simpler approach would yield far more desirable results.
This bill is not about HCR. It's about power.
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Evan Waters
January 16, 2010 6:12 PM in reply to Silence
And in the meantime, what about those of us with pre-existing conditions? What should we do while you're waiting for the right opportunity?
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Silence
January 16, 2010 6:32 PM in reply to Evan Waters
Haste makes waste.
You'll receive the care that you require. Don't ever underestimate the integrity, generosity and resolve of the American people.
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Evan Waters
January 16, 2010 6:41 PM in reply to Silence
I can't get the care that I require if they won't see me without insurance. Some things, if you wait until you have to go to the ER to treat them, are too late to treat. And it'll cost you more than if you had let me buy insurance in the first place.
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Silence
January 16, 2010 7:42 PM in reply to Evan Waters
There are doctors who will see you without insurance. Work out a deal and pay for the appointment. It's that simple. If something major arises, go to a Catholic hospital. They will help you.
In the meantime, proper legislation will be written, without all of the dirty deals and payoffs, allowing you to buy insurance with a pre-existing condition.
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Evan Waters
January 16, 2010 7:46 PM in reply to Silence
So, I'll be okay so long as I have the most limited pool of possible help available.
No. Sorry. Either ban this discrimination or don't pretend like you want to help me.
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Silence
January 16, 2010 8:16 PM in reply to Evan Waters
Once upon a time, most people carried major medical and paid for appointments out-of-pocket. This helped keep costs down. People shopped for doctors who offered reasonable rates and questioned the drugs prescribed.
A year ago, I was handed a script by my Dr. Having a 50% Rx plan, I am very cost conscience. When I attempted to fill it, I was told that it would cost $350 for 30 pills. I snatched my prescription back and called the doctor. I wanted to know what the "F" he was thinking and who the hell can afford these meds? He inquired about my insurance, apologized and wrote another script. The new script cost $28. He explained that some people, mainly teachers and union workers, have plans that cover anything and everything, so price is not an issue(very small or no co-pays). Unless the patient specifies, he writes scripts for the newest and best drugs on the market.
The over-insured are driving up the HC costs. The $28 script was just as effective. So now, aAfter driving up costs for the rest of us, the unions will now be exempt from HC taxes?
BULL SH*T!!!
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wbgonne
January 17, 2010 10:57 AM in reply to Silence
Oh yeah, you Republicans will get right on health care reform if you get back in power. What a crock!
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wbgonne
January 17, 2010 10:58 AM in reply to Silence
Or just drop dead in the street. Either way, it's all good.
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clonecone
January 16, 2010 7:49 PM in reply to Evan Waters
It's so nice of you to be so patient with someone else's health. You are one selfish prick.
Firebaggers are worse than teabaggers. Teabaggers are idiots are are easily lead by people like Glenn Beck. Firebaggers are supposed to know better.
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matsuiny2004
January 16, 2010 10:47 PM in reply to clonecone
Whats a firebagger?
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wbgonne
January 17, 2010 10:36 AM in reply to matsuiny2004
I suspect that term represents the consolidation of mainstream Democratic Party thought, which equates Progressives with Teabaggers. Nice sales pitch, Dems.
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Silence
January 17, 2010 10:54 AM in reply to clonecone
And, it's so nice of you to protect those groups driving up our taxes and HC costs!
Last week, I was explaining the HC issue to my 14 year old son. We discussed the problem of pre-existing conditions. He immediately recognized the hole.
His answer was simple. Everyone should be able to buy health insurance. However, if a person buys insurance only after a problem is suspected or diagnosed, that person should be required to maintain insurance for a specified period of time. ex. 10 years etc.
If that person neglects to maintain insurance, a lean should be placed on property and/or wages garnished. He compared this plan to child support obligations.
Kids possess an ability to see right through the crap.
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wbgonne
January 17, 2010 11:01 AM in reply to Silence
Yes, I was just saying that what this country really needs is 14 year-old Teabagger Trainee as president.
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jdb316
January 16, 2010 8:06 PM in reply to Silence
But the Republicans still aren't going to go for that "simpler approach." They're not going to go for reform period. So either you start now and at least give yourself a chance to build on it, or you're going to have to wait 20 years to get another shot, while millions of more Americans die because they can't afford proper medical care.
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Weitberg
January 16, 2010 8:03 PM
I keep seeing all this GOTV stuff. Makes me want to go sit at home and watch TV.
TheWeekinRebuke.com
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screaminmeme
January 16, 2010 8:53 PM
WTF? Who is this moron, and WTF is with the people of this state going for a MFSB tea-bagger to take Teddy's seat. Excuse me: I think I'll go vomit now . . .
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celldumceen
January 16, 2010 9:38 PM
This is the most absurd situation I have ever seen! The national health plan The Dems are pushing is modeled on the Mass plan and the Mass plan was signed into law by Republican governor Mitt Romney! Plus one of the state senators who voted for this plan was none other than Scott Brown! But you know what the hell, I am still a young man, if the Dems lose this one I guess I can wait another 15 years! Can those older GOP supporters say the same?
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Silence
January 17, 2010 11:49 AM in reply to celldumceen
Yes. The Repubs gave the people of MA HCR.
Obviously, they don't want it anymore.
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N/A
January 17, 2010 3:00 AM
Scott Brown has assembled a coalition of Democrats, independents, and Republicans, women and men, young and older voters. He’s moderate on some social issues and conservative on fiscal issues. He’s an excellent fit for Massachusetts.
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N/A
January 17, 2010 3:01 AM
A vote for Martha Coakley is a vote for Deval Patrick.
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wbgonne
January 17, 2010 10:50 AM in reply to N/A
A vote for Scott Brown is a vote to return to the Bush Dark Age, where the Republican neanderthals nearly destroyed our country with greed and stupidity.
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N/A
January 17, 2010 3:03 AM
I contributed $50 to Scott Brown’s campaign!
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Silence
January 17, 2010 8:37 AM in reply to N/A
Stand tall.
Don't tread on me.
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wbgonne
January 17, 2010 10:49 AM in reply to Silence
Feels good, huh? Yes, sloganeering is so much easier than governing and working together to solve common problems.
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Silence
January 17, 2010 11:10 AM in reply to wbgonne
That 14 year old would destroy you in a debate.
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wbgonne
January 17, 2010 11:13 AM in reply to Silence
Well, he'd certainly do better than you.
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Silence
January 17, 2010 12:56 PM in reply to wbgonne
He has been taught personal responsibility. It is regrettable that so many have not.
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Silence
January 17, 2010 11:12 AM in reply to wbgonne
Tossing out who or what doesn't work is the first step to solving a problem.
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wbgonne
January 17, 2010 11:16 AM in reply to Silence
Exactly why the Republicans were swept out of office a year ago. You actually think people want to go back to the Dark Age? If and when the Dems finally wake up and liberate themselves from their corporate masters fools like you will go back to whatever it is you do when you aren't making tinfoil hats.
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Silence
January 17, 2010 11:27 AM in reply to wbgonne
The Dems are so cozy with banksters, unions and corporate interests, it requires radical constitutional surgery to separate them.
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wbgonne
January 17, 2010 11:51 AM in reply to Silence
Oh, and you are just the kind of mastermind we want conducting "radical constitutional surgery." The U.S. Const. is not a compilation of slogans; it is a complex, organic work of genius. Please stay away from it.
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Silence
January 17, 2010 11:56 AM in reply to wbgonne
Yes. Divine providence is genius.
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wbgonne
January 17, 2010 12:02 PM in reply to Silence
I see. So "divine providence" is what we're counting on? God help us (yuk).
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Silence
January 17, 2010 12:48 PM in reply to wbgonne
Yes. The rights delineated in the constitution are granted by divine providence. Pure genius.
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ilovebacon
January 17, 2010 12:53 PM in reply to Silence
divine providence? what are you, a pilgrim?
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Silence
January 17, 2010 1:23 PM in reply to ilovebacon
No. I am not a pilgrim. Divine providence and natural law are interchangeable.
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ilovebacon
January 17, 2010 1:46 PM in reply to Silence
proove it. I am a believer but not a believer in providence.
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Silence
January 17, 2010 3:45 PM in reply to ilovebacon
A believer in what?
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Hopee
January 17, 2010 1:10 PM
Democrats will not have the Vote to Pass anything at any Number.
If you don’t vote for us our majority status will be endanger, our agendas will be defeated and the other side will advance their agenda. If we lose the seat special interests will destroy the middle class. We have heard it all again and again when the democrats are in the minority. Then, there is an excuse with a different musical tune for not passing bills that means a lot to working people. The tune is “we don’t have the vote to pass a good bill”. We are told that if MA special election is lost to the republican, the ability of the democratic majority to pass anything will be crippled by republican filibuster. That might be true but there is very little difference in what the democratic congress achieves as when they are in the majority or in the minority. It is possible for the democrats to say they don’t have the vote even when there are one hundred democratic senators in the senate. Democratic Party has two important constituents, the people who elected them and members of the Republican Party in congress. They have to satisfy their republican colleagues’ needs first and then if there is any time or energy left they will have enough amendments to defeat the people’s agenda. We saw this on the health care bill. It started to protect the people from insurance companies but after so many amendments, the democrats managed to settle in providing additional victims to the insurance companies.
No matter how many seats the democrats have in the senate, they will not have the votes to pass a good bill. It is possible we may not hear your call in the coming mid term election or any election time when you call us to vote for you. We can’t hear you because no matter how many seats you occupy, you will not have the votes to pass a good bill that will help the working people
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USgreentech
January 17, 2010 7:32 PM
Not even close to the exact numbers. Coakley is winning by 40 percentage points. People are going to jail over these numbers. The FBI and FEC are investigating lies by zogby, reuters, and polling services for spreading imaginery numbers.
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Darian
January 17, 2010 9:49 PM
Great idea VOTE FOR BROWN after VOTING FOR OBAMA! We are well on our way to the cleansing of political parties in this country. OBAMA has done all he could to try to bring us back to some form of normalcy. Congress is the problem..they run the country and it sucks. We need term limits for all of them! So if Brown wins and that is a BIG IF, what will you morons in MA do when he says, "He has new info and has changed his mind on healthcare."LOL
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xalien
January 18, 2010 12:57 AM
Benjamin Franklin seeing poverty in his city, print money, without back, for relief of many persons and in several times print money. Always reviewing progress obtained. USA become a big country only with paper and don’t need debt. This is ocult for tea baggers. The father of constitution signals the way.
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