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Poll: Lieberman Hated By Everyone In Connecticut After Health Care Debates
Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT)
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The new poll of Connecticut by Public Policy Polling (D) finds that independent Sen. Joe Lieberman's approval rating is absolutely in the dumps after his actions in the health care debate, with him having antagonized every group imaginable by both weakening progressive efforts and then voting for the actual bill.
Lieberman's overall approval rating is only 25%, with 67% disapproval. Democrats disapprove of him by 14%-81%, Republicans by 39%-48%, and independents by 32%-61%. Only 19% approve of his actions on the health care bill, with Democrats at 8%-80%, Republicans at 26%-55%, and independents at 30%-59%. Among those who support the bill, 84% disapprove of his handling of the issue, and in addition 52% of the people who don't support the bill also disapprove of Lieberman's actions.
"Joe Lieberman isn't popular enough with the Democrats or the Republicans to receive their nomination for the Senate in 2012," said PPP president Dean Debnam, in the polling memo. "And since the independents don't like him much these days either it's hard to see how he'll be around for another term."
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bluebell
January 7, 2010 11:32 AM
How tragic that Joe had to fall on is sword to give us just exactly the kind of insurance industry welfare bill the party wanted all along. Can the party escape Joe's fate? Hmm. Maybe not.
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FreeRider
January 7, 2010 12:31 PM in reply to bluebell
Yes. Because Schumer and Brown and Rockefeller and Dodd never wanted a public option.
They spent the entire year pushing for it and threatening not to vote for a bill that didn't have it because they wanted to make themselves look like pussies when they caved.
Gosh, they're brilliant! Almost as smart as you, Bluebell.
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bluebell
January 7, 2010 1:15 PM in reply to FreeRider
But they did cave and I knew they would.
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FreeRider
January 7, 2010 2:45 PM in reply to bluebell
Can't keep your story straight, can you? If they never wanted the public option, they didn't cave.
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lousgirl84
January 7, 2010 2:49 PM in reply to FreeRider
Go get 'em Free Rider. Put these lying sacks in their place.
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FreeRider
January 7, 2010 2:55 PM in reply to lousgirl84
LOL! In Bluebell's haste to bash the Democrats, she completely ignores the part where your arguments are supposed to be rational.
Remember that Obama hater who claimed that Obama's nominees weren't getting confirmed because Obama had told the Senate not to confirm them so he can ultimately withdraw them because he never wanted them in the first place? Like Obama somehow benefits when the Senate punks him.
Sheez!
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Libertine
January 7, 2010 3:35 PM in reply to FreeRider
And in your haste to be good rah-rah-rah-sis-boom-bah-go-team-go cheerleaders who have lost any/all objectiveness and credibility.
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FreeRider
January 7, 2010 3:42 PM in reply to Libertine
I'm devastated that I have lost credibility with the people who never had any credibility. Devastated, I tell you!
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Libertine
January 7, 2010 7:19 PM in reply to FreeRider
I know, I know because you third wayers are laughing all the way to the bank with the money your corporate benefactors give you for doing their bidding. The money is good isn't it? Corporations pay well if you make it possible for them to make billions. Figuring out which bubble to inflate next? I've heard that a rising tide lifts all boats. I don't believe it but that is what I've heard. The health insurers are happy. I am guessing the climate change legislations will allow Wall Street to corner the Carbon Tax Trading market. Who cares that unemployment is over 10%? Larry Summers has put his foot down...there is nothing we can do about unemployment. I am expecting to hear how we are so much better off with the D's and to 'stop whining' because if the R's were in power unemployment would be at about 15%.
I am so underwhelmed by this change we can believe in...
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bluebell
January 7, 2010 5:15 PM in reply to FreeRider
So are you cheering for the faux cave or the authentic cave? You can't make it up. You congratulate the bozos for capitulation. Have they got you where they want you or what!
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FreeRider
January 7, 2010 6:50 PM in reply to bluebell
Cheering? Is that what you call it when you've been pwned?
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Libertine
January 7, 2010 7:24 PM in reply to FreeRider
HAHAHA...you've guys have been pwned by your corporate benefactors. I am sure part of 'the deal' was if they got helped out they would create new jobs and help you guys stay in power. Suckers...
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Libertine
January 7, 2010 1:26 PM in reply to FreeRider
I disagree to a point. I think Obama never wanted the PO. And how can I make such a claim? He took single payer off the table before the whole process began. If single payer had left on the table, and used as a bargaining chip, we would have got HCR with a robust public option. But what we have is what Obama and the merry band of third wayers wanted to begin with...reform that their corporate friends could belive in.
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Dorn76
January 7, 2010 1:34 PM in reply to Libertine
Believe what you want, but a PO was never passing this Congress.
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Libertine
January 7, 2010 1:37 PM in reply to Dorn76
I agree Dorn. That is what I was saying. Right when single payer was taken off the table before the whole process started it told me it was a done deal, it had been decided and everything else would be a Kabuki Theater drama...with only who was going to play what roles to be decided.
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Dorn76
January 7, 2010 1:48 PM in reply to Libertine
We're just spectators it seems. And the show isn't even any good.
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Libertine
January 7, 2010 1:55 PM in reply to Dorn76
And we can't even get up and walk out of this current showing of Plan 9 From Outer Space.
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Darrius
January 7, 2010 2:12 PM in reply to Libertine
It was never passing the Senate before that. The best shot we had at a public option was when Obama wanted to make a deal with Olympia Snowe for the triggered public option. But the left didn't want that either.
P.S.
Lieberman did fall on his sword, but it was for Lincoln, Landrieu, and Nelson ets. However, he was the perfect one for this because we already hated him anyway and he had no shot at getting re-elected anyway.
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lousgirl84
January 7, 2010 2:51 PM in reply to Libertine
He never took anything off the table.
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Libertine
January 7, 2010 3:11 PM in reply to lousgirl84
Yes he did. He took single payer off the table right as the process began.
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FreeRider
January 7, 2010 3:43 PM in reply to Libertine
You can't take something off the table that was never on.
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Libertine
January 7, 2010 8:35 PM in reply to FreeRider
Hey for once you're right...he really did take it off the table before the process began. So in that sense it is accurate to say it was never on the table. Bottom line is still the same...an empty table in terms of single payer. But, hey, when you're right I'll admit it. And this is a first.
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FreeRider
January 7, 2010 2:51 PM in reply to Libertine
1. I think Obama wanted a public option but (a) never felt it was the silver bullet to healthcare reform and (b) realized early on it wasn't going to pass the senate.
2. Putting single payer on the table would have achieved one thing: wasting an additional 4-5 months. We could have started with free healthcare (including boob jobs and penile implants) for everybody and we still wouldn't have gotten a public option.
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henk
January 7, 2010 3:11 PM in reply to FreeRider
(b) realized early on it wasn't going to pass the senate
Bingo, why even bother discussing it, when it wasn't going to pass! Leaders stick their fingers in the wind, decide the safest course and head that way, all the while holding their finger up just in case the wind may change.
That's why we elected Obama, we didn't know it at the time, but he's that kind of leader.
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FreeRider
January 7, 2010 3:37 PM in reply to henk
Putting your finger in the wind = taking a poll before you take a position on an issue. Obama took a public position on the public option.
Moving on when you realize that you only have 54-55 votes to pass something that requires 60 is called being realistic.
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henk
January 7, 2010 3:18 PM in reply to FreeRider
Couldn't agree more, great negotiators always start where they want to end up. Why waste time arguing about things you don't really want. When I sell something on Craigslist for instance, I always start with a price lower than what I actually want, because I know I can get it. Why bother asking more than you want? You just end up taking less anyway. Brilliant, really.
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FreeRider
January 7, 2010 3:40 PM in reply to henk
Because trying to pass legislation through Congress is just like trying to sell your old shotgun on Craigslist.
You people don't even try anymore, do you?
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CT Voter
January 7, 2010 11:35 AM
LOLOLOLOL!
Thanks for this, Eric.
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ben_nelsons_hair
January 7, 2010 11:35 AM
The headline and the story made my day.
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Stroszek
January 7, 2010 11:36 AM
Best headline I've read in months.
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chimpale
January 7, 2010 11:39 AM
But, how does Joe Lieberman feel about Joe Lieberman? I mean that's what really matters. To Joe Lieberman.
It's true. Just ask Joe Lieberman.
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Libertine
January 7, 2010 11:41 AM
Geez I didn't need a poll to tell me that, LMAO. Joe must go...Rosa DeLauro in 2012!!!
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chimpale
January 7, 2010 11:43 AM
Of course, now that everyone except Joe Lieberman can't stand Joe Lieberman, he'll just have to get back at everyone by filibustering every bill that's introduced by anyone, Republican, Democrat, or independent. He might even filibuster his own bills just so he can gum up the works.
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leftyloosey
January 7, 2010 11:50 AM
Go Rosa!
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dougom
January 7, 2010 11:54 AM
I wonder what the breakdown is for people a) who work in Hartford b) for insurance companies. I'll bet he's popular with that particular demographic!
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twirling fartknocker
January 7, 2010 1:59 PM in reply to dougom
where's the Joementum now when he needs it most?
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Marinus van der Lubbe
January 7, 2010 11:58 AM
Ambrose Bierce said it best," Politics is a strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles."
No shit, Joe.
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JohnMcCSF
January 7, 2010 12:06 PM
Since it is unlikely that the Dems will retain the so-called super-majority, it had been my fondest hope that they wind up with just enough seats so that they can give Lieberman to the Republicans
Now they won't even have him
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Ben Judea
January 7, 2010 12:08 PM
Since every one is happy I'd be the rainman,Joe will be re elected by a 52% margin due to ELECTRONIC voting machines.
Mr. Mike Connell, take vengance on those who killed you.
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Scott in PacNW
January 7, 2010 12:14 PM
But Joe's real constituents -- insurance, pharma, zionist neocons -- still adore him.
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bluebell
January 7, 2010 12:19 PM in reply to Scott in PacNW
And they won!
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njlib
January 7, 2010 12:14 PM
i hope obama sees where the middle is,and learns. they don't want us going the bipartisan route, a Dem comeback is achievable by promoting and passing progressive legislation, quick and in a hurry. I'd like to see similar polls for Ben Nelson and Blanch Licoln, probably has different results but similar trends in red states.
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eztempo
January 7, 2010 12:44 PM in reply to njlib
Don't know how Democrats feel about Blanche Lincoln as a line item, but the voters of Arkansas are less than enchanted. I, too, would like to see polling on these two.
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Mateo123
January 7, 2010 12:47 PM in reply to njlib
Good luck with that.
Emanuel doesn't want a "middle." And, he decides.
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lapdogs
January 7, 2010 12:53 PM in reply to Mateo123
Great! Another Right Wing "Decider".
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El Puerco
January 7, 2010 12:26 PM
Nice, but not surprising, probably even to Joe. I suspect that he knew he had no chance of getting reelected in 2012, and thus decided to block the public option just to piss off progressives, and to shore up his wife's paycheck from the insurance industry, given he will be unemployed and unemployable in a couple of years.
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DA in LA
January 7, 2010 1:57 PM in reply to El Puerco
He'll be working for an insurance company, guaranteed.
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o224hsday
January 7, 2010 12:33 PM
When someone like Independent Joe raises the dander of 240 CT religious leaders, numbers like these are well deserved! Congrat's Joe.
Religious Leaders Keep Pressure On Lieberman
By Arielle Levin Becker The Hartford Courant
..Their latest attempt to lobby the senator will appear in newspapers across the state today(Dec 10, 2009), an advertisement featuring a letter from Norwalk Rabbi Joseph Ron Fish describing the imperative of multiple faiths to seek the welfare of everyone, particularly the meek and vulnerable. The advertisement includes the signatures of 240 Connecticut religious leaders and will argue that Lieberman must support "real reform" as a matter of conscience, according to the group.
I'd like to see Rep. Murphy (CT-5) run for the Senate. I know he has less experience than Rosa, but I like his ability to win even when his district includes a redish part of CT(Waterbury). That is a LIEberman strong area. He also took out former Rep. Nancy Johnson(R), who was pretty easily defeated after serving 1983-2007.
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junkmailqueen
January 7, 2010 1:29 PM in reply to o224hsday
No, no! Don't take Chris away from me! At least not for a while longer. Rosa in 2012!!!!
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ericAZ
January 7, 2010 12:38 PM
This proves Lincoln's adage that you can fool some of the people some of the time. Who are the 25% of people who still support him? Is mental illness that big a problem in Connecticut? It would be more interesting to see him in a head-to-head poll against a dead skunk.
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storm
January 7, 2010 12:47 PM in reply to ericAZ
what % would have voted for a literal 3rd bush term?
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Rich in NJ
January 7, 2010 12:39 PM
For all his amorality, Lieberman isn't an idiot. He has to know that he has probably become unelectable, so he must have a plan for his future. I would guess that it's making money at a neo-conservative think thank and making speeches, but who knows?
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ericAZ
January 7, 2010 1:07 PM in reply to Rich in NJ
I don't think there is any evidence to show that Lieberman is "not an idiot." He goes out and says something off message and the press, god bless them, decides that he is independent minded. He would have never become a national figure if he hadn't stepped offsides on Clinton's affair. He is truly a no-nothing dork catapulted to prominence by accident. Palin at least has a real constituency in down-trodden white trash.
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Rich in NJ
January 7, 2010 1:25 PM in reply to ericAZ
He did go to Yale. Of course, I could be overrating Yale's admission process.
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Dorn76
January 7, 2010 1:33 PM in reply to Rich in NJ
Ummm, you've heard of G.W. Bush?
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Rich in NJ
January 7, 2010 1:42 PM in reply to Dorn76
He was a legacy. Lieberman wasn't.
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Dorn76
January 7, 2010 1:50 PM in reply to Rich in NJ
I thought of that too, but still, that guy was a fuckin' retard.
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Rich in NJ
January 7, 2010 3:10 PM in reply to Dorn76
Far be it for me to defend him. I was merely trying to explore his motives.
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ojim
January 7, 2010 4:48 PM in reply to Rich in NJ
as my t-shirt with the monkey-like face of W on it says, 'yale schmale'
the 'legacy admission', another fine ivy league tradition. lots of good it did them when it comes to W and the rest of the bush KKKlan.
why couldn't LIEberman have gone to the school of the americas? he might have made something of himself then.
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Ben Judea
January 7, 2010 1:53 PM in reply to Rich in NJ
He's rellying on the electronic voting bug
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rbeats
January 7, 2010 12:46 PM
Are these number lower than Dick Cheney ever got?
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
January 7, 2010 2:28 PM in reply to rbeats
Not nationally. Cheneytine was below 20 for most of Bush's second term.
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DanF
January 7, 2010 12:47 PM
Maybe a few more polls like this will help Joe keep his pie-hole shut and prevent him from derailing the Democratic agenda at every opportunity - but I'm not holding my breath.
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dick c
January 7, 2010 2:59 PM in reply to DanF
He'll treat the country the way he treated the Dems. I wouldn't trust him to not use his position at Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs to sabotage us all.
I'm not really serious, but it could be a reason to remove him from that chairmanship.
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lapdogs
January 7, 2010 12:51 PM
Hey GI JOE,
I hear that McCain has a few houses he lost track of, that you can use right now by retiring to Arizona - far, far, far away from Connecticut!!!!
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docrocktex
January 7, 2010 12:51 PM
Duh.
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tpmgary
January 7, 2010 1:35 PM
Lieberman's a Senator? Are you sure about that? Last I checked he was a spokesman for Purdue Pharma.
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kgb999
January 7, 2010 1:44 PM
He doesn't give a damn. He knows this is his last term ... he's just papering his retirement.
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docrocktex
January 7, 2010 1:46 PM
I still don't understand why Gore chose this guy as his running mate.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
January 7, 2010 2:33 PM in reply to docrocktex
His personality disorder was better concealed before 2000. Most people didn't realize how really ill he was until after 2006.
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Progressive Party
January 7, 2010 1:46 PM
I think the only remaining value on LIEberman is whether or not he has a place in the democratic caucus and retians his chairmanship. The Senate dems need to show something to the base after the this joke of a reform bill goes thru and LIEberman's ass handed to him would be a great start.
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Weitberg
January 7, 2010 1:46 PM
100% of Joe Liebermans support Joe Lieberman.
TheWeekinRebuke.com
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Weeferdog
January 7, 2010 1:49 PM
Libertine: under your theory, if I want a $500,000 raise this year instead of the $200 (or nothing) I'm in line for, I should demand a $4 million. Once that's on the 'table,' how can my company refuse me the half-mill?
Seriously, do you really think if Obama asked for the moon, somehow Lieberman and Nelson and Lincoln and Landrieu would have ultimately voted for a public option?
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Dorn76
January 7, 2010 1:52 PM in reply to Weeferdog
Water under the bridge.
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Kevin Sutton
January 7, 2010 3:24 PM in reply to Weeferdog
Well, in Joe's case he was proposing the medicare expansion before he heard progressives thought it was a good idea. So for that concession I think being less conciliary would have been a big help at reaching 60 with a better bill.
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travy
January 7, 2010 1:54 PM
bwahahahahahahahahaha! couldn't happen to a bigger a-hole. here's hoping he's a despised pariah for the rest of his miserable life.
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roxsteady
January 7, 2010 1:56 PM
That would be a lound and hearty HELL NO!
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bluestatedon
January 7, 2010 1:59 PM
My biggest fear is that Holy Joe will not run for re-election, thus depriving us all of the incredible satisfaction of seeing that smarmy, self-righteous cocksucker get the ass-pounding he so richly deserves.
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Bnad
January 7, 2010 3:42 PM in reply to bluestatedon
That's right--he'll be like Castro--retire and don't let them have the satisfaction of kicking you out.
As for running as a Republican, Joe will never, never caucus with the Republicans--he'd have to be part of their disciplined phalanx and would lose his moments in the spotlight. The anything goes Democratic caucus is his natural habitat.
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twirling fartknocker
January 7, 2010 2:01 PM
he's probably still quite popular with AIPAC
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rbeats
January 7, 2010 2:13 PM in reply to twirling fartknocker
LOL, and AHIP loves him as well.
Joe Liebermann (AHIP/AIPAC-CT)
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henk
January 7, 2010 3:54 PM in reply to rbeats
Do powerful people love or even like their lackeys? Or do they see them as tools who do their bidding for a price? Not really worthy of the affections at all, just a useful tool.
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leoklein
January 7, 2010 2:15 PM
I'd 'like' to see him driven from office.
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WaitWut?
January 7, 2010 2:18 PM
Wasn't he doing all his song and dance for his "constituents?" Okay...which one of you constituents of his misled this poor, misunderstood man? I smell conspiracy.
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ojim
January 7, 2010 4:42 PM
its OK joe. you can just change your last name to bush and move to texas from connecticut and be a certified texan like the rest of the bush KKKlan. as long as you keep your mouth shut, they will probably let you live there. the welcomed your hero, W, didn't they?
but then again, he DOES have a dual citizenship with israel. another place in the middle of the desert where everybody is armed and the bush family if revered. coincidence? Hmmmmmmm.
tell you what, out of the goodness of my heart, i will pony up the first $10 for his one-way plane ticket to tel-aviv. his people need him.
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slb
January 7, 2010 5:49 PM
Now see there? Ol' Joe is a uniter, not a divider!
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aikbay
January 7, 2010 5:54 PM
I hope Ned Lamont, Lowell Weicker and Chris Dodd run against in the same race as this POS,as indies and Rob Simmons as a Repub and have all of them beat him. Something like Lamont getting 35 percent and the other two getting 25 percent each,Simmons getting 10 percent and POS getting 5 percent.
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geofu54
January 7, 2010 9:35 PM
So well deserved.
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HappyTim
January 7, 2010 10:07 PM
Lieberman has 2 years to rebuild his image. One of the perks of being a senator is you are elected for 6 years and voters tend to have a short memory for policy disagreements.
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genroku
January 8, 2010 1:10 PM
Holy Joe will probably get a cabinet post (Secretary of State?) in the next Republican administration. One more reason to vote progressive!!
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