
Despite selling his only home in Massachusetts, former Gov. Mitt Romney (R) voted last month in the state's Republican primary to choose a candidate for Sen. Ted Kennedy's seat using his son's address and has already mailed in a ballot for the Jan. 19 special election.
Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom said despite selling his home in Belmont last year, Romney never gave up his Massachusetts residency. When he is in the state he stays with his son Tagg.
Romney, a former governor who ran for president in 2008 and is considering another bid in 2012, made an offer on a condo in Belmont and will close in March.
Romney has been campaigning for the Republican candidate Scott Brown.
TPM checked in with Fehrnstrom after speaking with the town clerk in Belmont, Mass., who confirmed that Romney voted in the Dec. 8 special election.
He used an address in Belmont that matches the address of a home where their son Tagg lives.
According to the Boston Herald, Romney sold his six-bedroom home in Belmont for $3.5 million.
A report in the Associated Press last April said Romney sold his home in Utah for $5 million but was keeping a $10 million summer home in New Hampshire and a $12 million home in La Jolla, CA.
Additional reporting by Zachary Roth.
DCCyclone
January 8, 2010 3:48 PM
If he's still buying a home in Massachusetts, then this is legit.
My wife and I and our little kids moved from D.C. to Virginia in 2008, physically abandoning our house in early February that year as we got it ready to put on the market. We bounced around my various in-laws' homes in Northern Virginia, and eventually for a very short time even a Tysons Corner hotel, for several months before getting a contract on our D.C. house and renting and moving into an Arlington townhouse. A couple months later we bought our house in McLean where we now live, but the point is during our nomadic existence in NoVA we were registered to vote in D.C. the whole time. Only upon renting the Arlington townhouse did we re-register in Virginia, because only then were we finally staying someplace where our inhabitancy didn't have a fixed, known end date, and further we would have returned to the D.C. house anyway if we didn't get an offer (and we got only one in writing, that we accepted, after several months). And, indeed, I don't remember if we'd already physically vacated our D.C. house when I voted in the D.C. Democratic presidential primary in early February; it's possible we already were staying with my sister-in-law and her husband and kids in Reston.
What Mitt is doing is substantially the same thing, there is no legal or ethical issue.
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Signalman
January 8, 2010 4:18 PM in reply to DCCyclone
Actually, it may not be legit.
Is Romney paying MA state taxes, or is he earning his keep elsewhere? If he isn't paying MA taxes (because all his income is earned elsewhere or because he's not filing a state return) AND he isn't maintaining an absentee domicile within the state, THEN he may have a problem.
And since he's voted in a *Federal* election, it would be Federal law that's in play here, not Massachusetts law.
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cwnidog
January 8, 2010 5:52 PM in reply to Signalman
Guess what, if you're a Mass resident, it doesn't matter where you make your money, the Commonwealth wants its cut.
But this is a good idea, maybe I can claim my brother's address and vote in the Jan 19th election, despite having moved to the Seattle area some years ago. I'm pretty sure my vot ewoul dcancel Mitt's.
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Prefabfan
January 9, 2010 11:34 AM in reply to DCCyclone
Actually, it is not legit. And how in the world would you think telling that you did something vaguely similar proves something is legal, is beyond me.
Your residency is where you sleep at night, where your belongings are, where you work.
When he buys a property in the future in MA he can reregister. But he cannot vote in MA without a RESIDENCE in MA. Staying at your son's house is not a residence, anymore than staying at a hotel is.
Where he LIVES is what determine his right to to vote.
It is not accidental that Haircut's spokesliar, only gave facts as an excuse, and never went into trivialites such as the applicable legal standard, and how (theoretically) Roamin'ey's crashing on the couch allows him to vote there.
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mJJ
January 10, 2010 9:36 PM in reply to Prefabfan
He could have re-registered in the area where his son lives even if he does not live there all the time. That is true in the three states where I have lived and registered to vote. One was when I lived with one of my children for only a few days. I had my mail sent there because I was between settling down and was working as a volunteer for my Church. All perfectly legal. Registration is the issue. Was he registered in that precinct?
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Hyla Brook
January 10, 2010 11:24 AM in reply to DCCyclone
Sure! It's legit if Republicans do it. But right over the MA border in upstate NY, Republicans are challenging the votes of second home owners in elections.
Second home owners are generally people who live in the NY metro area and have a home upstate where they go for weekends and vacations.
The Republicans say these votes are invalid even though these voters pay school and town tax in the community where their second homes are.
Republicans also challenge the votes of college students, even though the courts have repeatedly held that students can vote in the state where they are attending college.
Romney is using his son's home address without actually having a residence in the state, or living in the state part time.
This is another case of Republican hypocricy. When Democrats do something it's wrong. When Republicans do something it's OK.
I'm fine with Romney voting in MA - but then he needs to tell his buddies that are challenging votes in other state to back off. Otherwise he should not be voting in this election.
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CityGuy
January 8, 2010 4:00 PM
Maybe it's where one of Mitt's wives live also?
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Marinus van der Lubbe
January 8, 2010 4:09 PM in reply to CityGuy
FRAUD!!! Romney must mean ACORN in some language...
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expat46
January 8, 2010 5:40 PM in reply to CityGuy
Doh! Good one.
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monet768
January 8, 2010 4:08 PM
ANOTHER DIRTY SCUMBALL. I RESIDE IN MA SO I HAD FIRST HAND AT THIS SLOB
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apodaca
January 8, 2010 4:35 PM
Well, it's not as if Romney eevr had this same exact issue provoke controversy before.
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CranialRectalLoopback
January 8, 2010 4:35 PM
That's not voter fraud, cause he's not with ACORN!
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commie atheist
January 8, 2010 5:16 PM in reply to CranialRectalLoopback
And...
It's...
O...
K...
If...
You're...
A...
Republican.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
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slb
January 9, 2010 4:27 PM in reply to CranialRectalLoopback
You just know ACORN made him do it.
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richard f
January 8, 2010 4:37 PM
And since he's voted in a *Federal* election, it would be Federal law that's in play here, not Massachusetts law.
I don't think thats right. There are no federal residency requirements for voting - the residency rules, even for voting in a federal election - are set by the state.
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Signalman
January 8, 2010 5:08 PM in reply to richard f
There is such an animal as Federal election law, but I'm not conversant with it. Perhaps we have an attorney or two on the board this afternoon who can speak knowledgeably on the matter?
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DCCyclone
January 8, 2010 6:35 PM in reply to Signalman
Um, I'm an attorney, and there's no applicable federal law. Votijng requirements are set entirely by states. Federal law applies only in special cases, such as where federal Voting Rights Act issues arise, or other federal laws addressing discrete issues.
Whether Romney's voter registration is legal is not something any federal law would address, it's determined entirely at the state level.
Really, there's no apparent fraud or other wrongdoing here, this is much ado about nothing.
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Signalman
January 11, 2010 11:59 AM in reply to DCCyclone
Thanks very much for the clarification, DCCyclone. I stand corrected.
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Hussein Stemper
January 8, 2010 4:38 PM
Who cares whether or not he committed voter fraud. He's got Reagan hair! Go, Mittens!!
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bibimimi
January 9, 2010 2:41 PM in reply to Hussein Stemper
Nice hair, shame about the head.
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The Old Grouch
January 8, 2010 4:39 PM
Investigate. Indict. Prosecute. Convict. Imprison.
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Citoyen92
January 8, 2010 5:00 PM
The story says that Mr. Romney owns homes in New Hampshire and California.
Is he receiving a tax break on either by claiming a "homestead" exemption i New Hampshire or California?
Home is where the "homestead" is folks.
DCCyclone, why'd you leave the District?
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richard f
January 8, 2010 5:15 PM in reply to Citoyen92
Is he receiving a tax break on either by claiming a "homestead" exemption i New Hampshire or California?
Home is where the "homestead" is folks.
The homestead exemption in California has nothing to do with tax breaks (it has to do with whether a portion of your interest in a home is immune from judgment) and you don't need to declare a homestead in California to get the benefit of the exemption (its automatic whether you file something or not). He's not doing anything wrong by owning property in more than one state.
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Signalman
January 8, 2010 5:25 PM in reply to richard f
Respectfully, I submit that folks who have either lost their homes or are close to foreclosure aren't going to have a lot of sympathy for Mr. Romney. If the man's got a passel of houses and no income in MA (but income arriving from other states), he's not going to get a lot of public love for voting in MA whether he's still registered there or not.
It's just another example of what an out-of-touch elitist Romney is. Remember when he said that his sons weren't serving in the military because their service to their country consisted of helping him in his campaign for President? One kinda wonders if even *one* of them has bothered to enlist or sign up for ROTC.
More elitism.
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runfastandwin
January 8, 2010 5:33 PM in reply to richard f
Wrong, it has to do with whether a portion of your home is immune from property tax, and only applies if you are a bonafide resident of the State. You can't get it if you live somewhere else.
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soupson52
January 9, 2010 11:21 AM in reply to runfastandwin
We owned a principle residence and a cabin here in CA. We only got the "break" on the residence. I agree with you: principle residence gets the break, nothing else.
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soupson52
January 9, 2010 11:24 AM in reply to runfastandwin
And, yes, it is a reduction in property taxes. Not that big a reduction, but we have pretty low property taxes.
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DCCyclone
January 8, 2010 6:39 PM in reply to Citoyen92
Citoyen92, we left mainly for public schools. The ones in my neighborhood are substandard, not the worst in the city, but not good. NoVA public schools are excellent. We have a daughter about to turn 4 and a son about to turn 2, so this was critical. And crime in our neighborhood, Mount Pleasant, and in Columbia Heights where I commuted with my daughter (before our son was born) on the Metro, was also an issue.
There was plenty we loved about the city, and for a lot of reasons would have loved to stay there, but schools and crime became too important. If D.C. could get a handle on both, no one would ever leave. Of course, real estate would only be that much more expensive, because demand would skyrocket.
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ETSpoon
January 8, 2010 5:05 PM
Buying a condo in Massachusetts, sold a house in Utah, owns houses in New Hampshire and California.
Well, where does this guy live?
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commie atheist
January 8, 2010 5:17 PM in reply to ETSpoon
Apparently he's not sure. He has more homes than McCain, so what do you expect?
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ETSpoon
January 8, 2010 5:32 PM in reply to commie atheist
If I were a betting man, and I'm not, I'd hazard a guess the old Nit-Mitt gets most of his mail at his California address.
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BohemianBill
January 8, 2010 7:12 PM in reply to ETSpoon
"If I were a betting man, and I'm not, I'd hazard a guess the old Nit-Mitt gets most of his mail at his California address..."
True, but if you were a bankster like Mittens, you would "reside" in NH. No income taxes in NY, don't ye know? So, Mittens is committing tax fraud on top of everything else. That makes voter fraud pale by comparison. Stick his elitist ass in prison.
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ETSpoon
January 8, 2010 7:44 PM in reply to BohemianBill
Thanks. Did not know that about the "Live Free or Die" state.
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Nowukkers
January 8, 2010 5:06 PM
Oh please. Romney's got such a foot-in-mouth problem that this will be the least of his 2012 worries. Guaranteed, he'll say something stupid about this, or something else, over the next couple years, and he won't even come close. Also, he will never pass muster with the fundies, or the tea-baggers. I'm just enjoying watching the internecine blood-letting going on in the GOP at the moment - it takes my mind off our other problems.
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expat46
January 8, 2010 5:54 PM in reply to Nowukkers
I wouldn't be to sure about tea bagger support. I was over trolling over at tea bag central aka teapartynation and I was banned for simply pointing out the history of the Mormon church regarding blacks. Talking about the virtues of a third party is also grounds for excommunication.
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Shoto
January 8, 2010 5:32 PM
We shouldn't be too hard on Romney. After all, it isn't like the android is exactly a human. Wait: Can androids even vote?
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Powkat
January 8, 2010 5:50 PM in reply to Shoto
Guy Smiley from Sesame Street
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Marinus van der Lubbe
January 8, 2010 9:13 PM in reply to Shoto
They just dream of electric sheep...
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Chris Brown
January 8, 2010 5:34 PM
From the State's web site
As much as I detest Romney, this is a red herring.
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Chris Brown
January 8, 2010 5:52 PM in reply to Chris Brown
By the way, I live in Mexico and may still vote in WA state, even for local elections, though I no longer own anything in the state or otherwise have nay association with the state.
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Prefabfan
January 9, 2010 11:45 AM in reply to Chris Brown
Wrong.
You confuse (1) there is no affirmative action, like a checklist, that one must go through to establish residency, with (2) there being NO STANDARD, which of course is WRONG.
And ridiculous.
Romney to be a MA resident, would need to show among other things, automobile registration, a driver’s license, the appearance of his name on a city or town street list, and rent, utility, mortgage or telephone bills..
to show he legitimately claims MA residency. Or does he not claim residency but VOTES THERE?!?!?
This is actual voting fraud.
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bogglesthemind
January 8, 2010 5:41 PM
Anyone notice the Mickey Mouse ears on the "right" side of the photo?
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sabatia
January 8, 2010 6:15 PM in reply to bogglesthemind
That is the shadow from Mitten's reptilian brain. This proves that he's not human. Plus, I am from Mass. and have never ever seen his birth certificate. I do not believe that he was born, but rather he is a malfunction of the American Motors assembly line, a cross between a Gremlin and an Ambassador.
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ballerina X
January 8, 2010 6:56 PM
Wprd around here in SLC is he has purchased a home here next door to a friend of mine, My friend has been complaining of the mess , property & car damage he has endured from the folks renovating the house.
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RDT
January 8, 2010 6:59 PM
Voting in Massachusetts isn't a problem per se -- but if he registered to vote somewhere else since leaving MA it could be. In most states, registering in a new location is supposed to invalidate your previous registration.
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njlib
January 8, 2010 8:49 PM
Whats to stop a guy who lives in multiple states from submitting an absentee ballot in every state he has residency?
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MichiganMark
January 8, 2010 9:26 PM
I would love for the blogger community to check voter registration / history in the other two states. I am willing to believe that he is not too attentive to the details of election law.
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bibimimi
January 9, 2010 2:39 PM
Thank God. That one ballot will SURELY paint MA as RED as a deer carcass after it was pounded by an SUV.
Hooray...heavy on the hoo.
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jsj20002
January 9, 2010 5:47 PM
I think most of these comments are jumping to conclusions. You do not need to actually own a residence to be a legal resident of any state. You do need an address. The fact that former Governor Romney sold his former residence in Massachusetts and also owns property in other states does not mean that his claim to reside at his son's residence is fraudulent. One of many factors, perhaps, but not dispositive by any means. As for Romney's taxes, he will almost certainly file Massachusetts state income taxes and will likely claim a lawful deduction for his out-of-state earnings to the extent that he actually paid income taxes to other states on those earnings. This silly argument is a non-starter in our global economy. If Democrats want to complain about voter registration problems, put Romney aside and go after the Republicans who want to cancel Democratic voter registrations when homes are foreclosed or Democrats kids go to college or take seasonal jobs out of state.
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bibimimi
January 9, 2010 5:55 PM in reply to jsj20002
If Mitt is still heavily invested/involved in Bain Capital, then yes, he surely pays MA taxes.
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Orca
January 10, 2010 3:37 PM in reply to bibimimi
Here's the real issue: Romney learned his lesson from the brouhaha about how many houses McCain owned when he was campaigning for President. So he's selling a couple off before his own campaign begins. We should remember that and remind people during the next election that he may "only" own two houses now, but he sold off two of his four mansions recently.
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bibimimi
January 10, 2010 7:57 PM in reply to Orca
That place in Utah was a g.d. palace. A fine example of indulgence in the face of Americans who are barely scraping by and hoping to avoid a visit from the sheriff.
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