
Richard Behney, an Indiana Tea Party activist and candidate for the Republican nomination for Senate against Democratic Sen. Evan Bayh, made a striking pronouncement at a meeting late last year of the "Evansville 2nd Amendment Patriots": That if new people don't get elected to Congress in 2010, he'll be getting out his guns to face down the American government.
"That's the beauty of this, folks. We can do it before it gets to guns," said Behney, in praise of the electoral process. "All right, our founders brought out the guns. When they showed up at Lexington and Concord, regular folks, farm boys, doctors, merchant men, and they said you ain't taking our stuff. They stood up to the most powerful army in the world, and they bought our freedom, literally with their blood. And we don't have to do that yet.
"I believe personally, we're at a crossroads. We have one last opportunity. And I believe 2010 is it. All right? And we can do it with our vote. And we can get new faces in, whether it's my face or not, I pray to God that I see new faces. And if we don't see new faces, I'm cleaning my guns and getting ready for the big show. And I'm serious about that, and I bet you are, too. But I know none of us want to go that far yet, and we can do it with our vote."
(Via Indiana Barrister.)
quinn esq
January 26, 2010 7:26 PM
Well, I'm bringing a knife to THAT gunfight.
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hunter
January 26, 2010 7:39 PM
Hah. Big words, big man...now let's see you in 2010 when you're just whining and moaning some more. Chickenhawks always talk a big game.
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tiowally
January 26, 2010 8:03 PM in reply to hunter
And they always stay classy.
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JNagarya
January 26, 2010 11:15 PM in reply to hunter
"That's the beauty of this, folks. We can do it before it gets to guns," said Behney, in praise of the electoral process. "All right, our founders brought out the guns. When they showed up at Lexington and Concord, regular folks, farm boys, doctors, merchant men, and they said you ain't taking our stuff. They stood up to the most powerful army in the world, and they bought our freedom, literally with their blood. And we don't have to do that yet.
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I wonder when this patriotic pantswetter will be putting his mouth on the front line of one of our current wars. Oh, right: he'd like to do that, but he's too busy running for a position on the public dole, so can't do that right now.
Meanwhile, the actual history:
"It is a distortion of the facts to say that the battle of April 19 was a spontaneous uprising of loosely organized 'embattled farmers'--it was much more than that. The battle can better be seen as the final clash of arms of the old Massachusetts militia, in which forty-seven regiments, containing over 14,000 men, marched against the British regulars (over 4,000 men from fourteen of the regiments actually struck the column) and employed concepts of organizations and methods of command and control that had been forged during a century and a half of nearly constant warfare." The Minute Men: The First Fight: Myths & Realities of the American Revolution (Washington, DC: Pergamon-Brassey's International Defense Publishers, Inc., Published with the Institute of Land Warfare Association of the U.S. Army, 1989), Gen. John R. Galvin, U.S. Army, Supreme Allied Commander, Europe, at 2-3.
In other words:
the Massachusetts militia -- which always operated (and operates) UNDER colony/province/state Militia Act, was a highly trained force, of which the "Minute Men" -- also at Lexington-Concord -- were the equivalent of a modern day "special forces". They weren't, in short, history- and law-illiterate American-hating criminal-rationalizing gun-nuts confusing Boston Tea Party with a homosexual act.
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Joshua the Teacher
January 26, 2010 7:45 PM
I want to see his birth certificate.
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DeathSquad
January 26, 2010 8:40 PM in reply to Joshua the Teacher
I heard he was a scientologist.
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JNagarya
January 26, 2010 11:18 PM in reply to DeathSquad
Was? You mean they threw him out?
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ClosetLuddite
January 26, 2010 7:46 PM
No doubt! Bring it, bitch!
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anna am
January 26, 2010 8:06 PM
Do you think those are veneers on his teeth? They seem sort of unnaturally white.
Or perhaps they're the mirror of his soul.
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loria
January 26, 2010 10:29 PM in reply to anna am
I was thinking that picture made him look like a woman in a man's suit.
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anna am
January 26, 2010 11:44 PM in reply to loria
Yes. This is true too.
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Marinus van der Lubbe
January 27, 2010 7:07 AM in reply to loria
The teabaggers thing must be the ultimate elephant graveyard of chickenhwaks, dweebs who couldnt get laid in high school and points thereafter, gun fetish armchair commandos, live with moms who are shut-ins, download porn yet decry abortion, see anyone who isnt white or protestant or baptist as heretics and write under names like 'Silence' and 'sailormarlowe'.
I'd like to see Mr Sissyman running for senate throw down with something more than a paintball gun. Just another religious bullshitter on the grift.
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CityGuy
January 27, 2010 9:05 AM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
Don't worry, he'll probably accidentally shoot himself if he tries to clean his guns. I hear most of these Reich wingers go off half-cocked anyway.
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Marinus van der Lubbe
January 27, 2010 11:51 AM in reply to CityGuy
I'm so tired of these chickenshit chickenhawk gonna start the revolution if we dont get our way fucksticks. Who are they going to shoot? Just come out and say who it is they will use their weapons on instead of inciting some bizarre prurient fantasy of just randomly killing people they disagree with to raise cash! It's unbelievably careless to write checks with teir mouths that their asses will never cash. And worst of all, this guy looks like the old bag who always had a crush on Jethro in the 'Beverly Hillbillies!'
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EastWest
January 26, 2010 8:07 PM
This guys's a pussy who drives a great big truck. He thinks the Second Amendment is all about the right to bear dildoes.
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bibimimi
January 26, 2010 8:18 PM
Clean UNDER ur guns, Behney. That's where all the stank is.
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Jackster
January 26, 2010 8:20 PM
Did anyone ask him who intends to shoot? If he did he could be incarcerated as he should be.
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CN
January 26, 2010 8:25 PM
"Elect me or I'll install myself through violent overthrow of the government."
Because that's the American way, right, Dickie? Representatives elected by the people -- except if the people don't agree with you, you'll just impose your will on the people with a violent revolution? Just like the Framers wanted, eh, Dickie?
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raiatean
January 26, 2010 8:31 PM
He'd have to clean em If I got hold of him, I would stuff them so far up his ass they would think that he swallowed a trash dump.. Repigliklann feces eating clowns... Gotta have guns, but ain't never been in the mil... Shitheads.. Plain and Simple! Damn!!! Have I mentioned today just how effing much I hate these cowardly bastards???
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Moloko+
January 26, 2010 8:33 PM
Good luck in prison.
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DeathSquad
January 26, 2010 8:47 PM
Jesus was a HUGE fan of firearms!
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JNagarya
January 26, 2010 11:21 PM in reply to DeathSquad
Yeah, but not as much as he got off on torturing folk who were even browner than he. Er, He.
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CVille Dem
January 26, 2010 8:58 PM
Wait -- Aren't these the draft-dodgers>
Cheney, etc? Oh! They are really tough when they don't have to actually stand up to anyone.
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chimpale
January 26, 2010 9:04 PM
Sounds like sedition to me. I think a preemptive assault is called for here. Kick the fucker's door down and start blasting. It would be the patriotic thing to do.
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acamus
January 26, 2010 9:05 PM
As a hoosier, I have to ask: dweeb Bayh doesn't seem so bad does he?
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brewmn61
January 27, 2010 12:52 AM in reply to acamus
Bayh has to tack to the right of Ronald Reagan to beat this douchebag?
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tonigo
January 26, 2010 9:12 PM
Wow. Dwight Schrute is running for office?
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mikeyrstx
January 26, 2010 9:22 PM
Now, Dick, can I call you Dick? Be sure to look down the barrel first before cleaning your gun to see if it's dirty.. maintain a firm grip on the trigger while doing so..
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kfdan
January 26, 2010 9:32 PM
Classic chicken hawk ... big words and no action ... just another talker ... as for the gun business ... that's not going to provide a serious base for a revolution! These tea baggers don't really understand that they would be seriously under-powered. I understand the sentiment though and agree that radical actions must be taken to straighten out the country. This guy and those like him are not the answer.
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Jackster
January 26, 2010 9:46 PM in reply to kfdan
Well, with the recent SCOTUS decision, making a Corp. equal to a person, don't expect anything not corporately sponsored.
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conservativefirst
January 26, 2010 9:44 PM
Seriously people, he was talking to a 2nd Amendment group and for the record his point was voting new people in who would stop all the freedom robbing legislation. Watch and listen to the entire video.
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JNagarya
January 26, 2010 11:24 PM in reply to conservativefirst
I note you don't identify any of that there "freedom robbing" legislation.
Might it be that you don't know what you're talking about, "conservative" chickenhawk?
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conservativefirst
January 27, 2010 1:50 PM in reply to JNagarya
The stack of white binders on the table in the video is the print out of HR 3200. You know, the House version of the Health Care Bill, that's just one example of freedom robbing legislation.
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JNagarya
January 28, 2010 2:32 AM in reply to conservativefirst
According to you assholes, and the Republicans who spoon feed you the pablum that Democrats don't READ the bills they vote for, that bill is thousands of pages long. Which means not only have THEY not read it but also that YOU haven't read it.
Therefore, you have NO KNOWLEDGE of what is IN that ONE of the TWO bills presently under consideration.
That being the fact, your gratuitous knee-JERK smearing of the bill is wholly specious.
Otherwise, both they and you -- asshole -- are utterly stupid, and ignorant of history and the functions of law. The Founders/Framers were for --
"ORDERED liberty".
That means, asshole, liberty WITHIN the law, NOT IN SPITE OF IT. As impulse is responsibily restrained and sublimated by REASON, freedom is regulated WITHIN LAW, law being REASON that is very, very, very refined.
YOUR -- and the mindless anti-American pablum you swallow -- view that "freedom" and law are ANTITHETICAL is the rationalization of the CRIMINAL. Even if the CRIMINAL is before that "merely" STUPID.
You are LIMITED BY LAW from allowing YOUR "freedom" from infringed OTHERS' freedom. Got that, law-illiterate jackass?
Otherwise, ass: you don't HAVE rights UNLESS they are SECURED IN and PROTECTED BY --
L-A-W.
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JNagarya
January 27, 2010 12:22 AM in reply to conservativefirst
Learn something legitimate, instead of defending the far-right lunatic fringe America-hating lies your boy is spewing --
This is the most relevant portion of my most recent statement of the law concerning Militia -- and therefore of the Second Amendment. Read it carefully as concerns the anti-Constitutionalism fed these gun-/nuts by the gun industry via its propaganda arm NRA:
R. B----- says:
"All of the Bill of Rights refer to individual rights. Raving lunatics should read the Federalist Papers for further insight."
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Concerning the "Federalist Papers": the CORRECT title of the book to which refer[red] is "The Federalist". As well, "The Federalist," not having been enacted by a legislature, is both NOT LAW and IRRELEVANT for several reasons. First, they were written by Hamilton, Madison, and Jay -- only one of whom would later be a member of the first Congress, which WROTE the Bill of Rights, under the newly-ratified Constitution.
Second, the authors ADMITTED that their purpose was to SELL the CONSTITUTION -- which OBVIOUSLY means they were not OBJECTIVE: they were BIASED in favor OF ratification. Third, and most relevant, as the Constitution was framed, and then ratified, WITHOUT a "Bill of Rights," the only mentions of "Bill of Rights" in "The Federalist" are REJECTIONS of the "NEED" for one.
Fourth, "The Federalist" was written by THREE delegates to the Constitutional Convention -- out of over FIFTY delegates; which delegates agreed on very little. THREE is an INCONSEQUENTIAL MINORITY of OVER FIFTY delegates. And those three were balanced by THREE delegates on the OPPOSITE end of the political spectrum who OPPOSED ratification of the Constitution because it DIDN'T have a "Bill of Rights". One of those was Elbridge Gerry, about whom more below.
Fifth, with ratification of the Constitution completed, Federalist promotion of that outcome ENDED.
Note the following chronology:
1. Several states that ratified the Constitution, beginning with Massachuetts-Bay, included PROPOSED amendments with their Notices of Ratification.
2. Completion of ratification of the Constitution occurred on June 21, 1788.
3. SUBSEQUENTLY, Congress was established/organized under the newly-ratified Constitution.
4. Congress first "achieved a quorum on 6 April [1789]". "Creating the Bill of Rights" (Johns Hopkins, 1991), Veit, et al., at xiv.
5. Madison, the ONLY author of "The Federalist" to be a member of Congress, codified the several states' PROPOSED amendments into a RESOLUTION which he submitted to Congress for DEBATE on May 4, 1789. Id., at 1.
6. On May 25, 1789, Madison himself moved to POSTPONE consideration of the proposed amendments until June 8, 1789, which was agreed to by the Congress. Id., at 5.
7. Debate of the proposed amendments did not begin until August 13, 1789. Id. at 7. That's how "worried" the Founders/Framers in Congress were about there NOT being a Bill of Rights: they were in no hurry.
8. The debates of Madison's resolution in Congress were conducted by those who WROTE the Bill of Rights: the members of that first Congress.
9. Unlike "The Federalist" -- which as made clear is irrelevant to begin with -- the debates of those who WROTE the Bill of Rights are LEGAL AUTHORITY. It is to THOSE we refer when we want to know the intent of those who WROTE the Bill of Rights.
10. The debate which eventuated in the Second Amendment began with and was EXCLUSIVELY concerned with whether to have a standing army -- which the Founders/Framers considered a "bane of liberty"; a THREAT to CIVILIAN GOV'T -- or the alternative thereto: MILITIA. Elbridge Gerry summarized the issue during the debates of that which became the Second Amendment with this statement:
"What, sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty." Id., at 182.
He makes no mention of "individual". Becasue a MILITIA is OBVIOUSLY no more an individual than is an army. As well, and as obvious, PEOPLE is PLURAL, as in, WE THE PEOPLE. It is NOT "We the individual," or, "I the people".
11. That which became the Second Amendment was drawn from MILITIA clauses in the state constitutions/bills of rights of Massachusetts, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Vermont. "Bill of Rights and the States" (Madison House, 1992), Conley and Kaminski, at xviii.
12. Exactly as with the debates of that which became the Second Amendment, those four MILITIA clauses include the phrase "the right of the people [PLURAL] to keep and bear arms [as MILITIA]"; and that is directly associated with the phrase concerning standing armies being the "bane of liberty"*.
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*The US Constitution incorporates four references to MILITIA. The first (US Con. Art. II., s. 2, c. 1) reads:
"The President shall be Commander in Chief . . . of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual service of the United States."
And when the miltia is not in service to the United States, the commander in chief of it is the states' governor.
The second reference (US Con. Art. I., s. 8., c. 15) reads in relevant part:
"Congress shall have the Power To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, [and] SUPPRESS INSURRECTIONS."
Neither the President, nor the states' governors, are going to call out the militia to "defend against" themselves.
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These, in full, are the four state constitution/bills of rights MILITIA clauses from which was drawn the Second Amendment:
"Massachusetts Declaration of Rights, Article XVII. The people [PLURAL] have a right to keep and bear arms [as MILITIA] FOR THE COMMON DEFENCE. And as, in time of peace, armies are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be maintained without the consent of the Legislature; and the military power shall always be held in an exact subordination to the Civil authority, and be governed by it."
"North Carolina Declaration of Rights, Article XVII. That the people [PLURAL] have a right to bear arms [as MILITIA], for the defence OF THE STATE; and as standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by the civil power."
"Pennsylvania Declaration of Rights, Article XIII. That the people [PLURAL] have a right to bear arms [as MILITIA] for the defense of themselves AND THE STATE; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; And that the military should be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power."
"Vermont Declaration of Rights, Chapter I., Article XV. That the people [PLURAL] have a right to bear arms [as MILITIA] for the defence of themselves AND THE STATE; and, as standing armies, in the time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power."
13. The first draft of that which became the Second Amendment read as follows, in full, the final clause being the ONLY "individual right" concerning that which became the Second Amendment that was debated by those who WROTE the Second Amendment:
"The right of the people [PLURAL] to keep and bear arms [as MILITIA] shall not be infringed; a well armed, and well regulated** militia [NOT "individual"] being the best security of a free country [NOT "individual"]: but no person [INDIVIDUAL] religiously scrupulous of [AGAINST] bearing arms, shall be compelled [INVOLUNTARY] to render military service [in the MILITIA] in person."
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**The third reference to Militia in the US Constitution (US Con. Art. I., s. 8, c. 16) reads in full:
"Congress shall have the Power To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers [this done by the states' governor and legislature] and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress."
As the Constitution stipulates that Congress shall make the laws, "to regulate" means in the form of LAW,
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OBVIOUSLY the final clause of that which became the Second Amendment was VOTED DOWN. AS OBVIOUSLY, as it is the ONLY "individual right" debated concerning that which became the Second Amendment, that it was VOTED DOWN means that the Second Amendment has NOTHING WHATEVER TO DO WITH "INDIVIDUAL" ANYTHING.
Asserting . . . NON-law -- "Federalist Papers" -- changes NONE of those facts, BEGINNING with the fact that the authors of "The Federalist," IN "The Federalist," which concerned ONLY the Constitution, REJECTED the "need" for a Bill of Rights; and the fact that the Congressional debates of those who WROTE the Second Amendment are _THE_ LEGAL AUTHORITY we consult to determine what those who WROTE the Second Amendment MEANT with the Second Amendment. And as unequivocally shown, it is SOLELY concerned with ensuring the states -- GOV'TS -- that they can keep their WELL REGULATED MILITIA.
14. The Bill of Rights, consisting of twelve proposed amendments, were submitted to the states' legislatures for consideration on September 25, 1789. The first two of the twelve were rejected.
15. Ratification of the Bill of Rights was completed on December 15, 1791.
16. The fouurth reference to Militia in the US Constitution reads in full:
"A Well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people [PLURAL] to keep and bear Arms [as that WELL REGULATED MILITIA], shall not be infringed."
17. SUBSEQUENTLY, on May 8, 1792, Congress enacted the "Militia Act" of 1792, by means of which to regulate the militia in accordance with the references to it in the Constitution -- including the Second Amendment.
One can either accept those clear and unequivocal facts and that they substantiate -- the Second Amendment has nothing whatever to do with "individual" ANYTHING -- or continue to talk anti-Constitutional ragtime.
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ohyeathatsright
January 27, 2010 1:51 AM in reply to JNagarya
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JNagarya
January 28, 2010 2:18 AM in reply to ohyeathatsright
Why make it difficult for a "conservative" America-hater -- it's tough enough he has actually to READ the actual words in the Constitution, instead of relying on FOX, NRA, et al., to spoon feed him lies against it?
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Mad Mike
January 27, 2010 12:28 PM in reply to JNagarya
If you expect "Conservative" to learn anything from this argument you will have to put it on a video for him.
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expat46
January 27, 2010 1:07 AM in reply to conservativefirst
Okay, I've watched and listened. Why do these tea-bagger/Republicans always speak in such abstractions?
What do you think this tea-bagger/Republican, if elected, would do specifically to protect my freedom?
It's when they get into specifics that they get into trouble like comparing poor people to stray animals or claiming that your states proximity to Russia gives you foreign policy experience.
Seriously, what exactly is this guy going to do to 'stop socialism' or 'protect freedom' or 'increase prosperity' or my personal favorite 'get government out of the way so the free market can create real jobs'.
If this guys got the tiniest inkling, the slightest idea, the foggiest notion, of what do about the real problems we face he didn't mention ANY of them in the 8 minutes that I gave him.
You think we're not LISTENING, if only we would listen, surely we would see the light. The problem is your not SAYING anything.
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Kuyleh
January 27, 2010 2:56 AM in reply to conservativefirst
Wow. Condoning the man for plotting mass murder simply because you share a title with him. Do you even have one working brain cell?
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SoBenji
January 26, 2010 9:56 PM
This assclown owns a plumbing business in Indy...Here is a comment about him from Angies List...some good christian huh?
We called the owner to complain and after 3 phone calls and one letter there was no response. After 3 days we put a stop on the check and called his office to say we wanted to talk and negiotate the price since we felt that $652.00 was not fair. When Richard did call back several days later instead of letting us talk about a compromise he starting swearing, using extremely foul language repeatedly. He also threatened us by saying that he knew where we lived and he could fix us. We sent a check for $310.00 which from all we had heard was more than fair for 1 hour and 45 minutes of work. The work was acceptable except the parts used were of low quality plastic. Instead of talking to us he has now turned the issue over to a collection agency. One of the reasons for choosing them was because of the Christian symbol they had on their ad. That was obviousaly a sham.
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eztempo
January 26, 2010 10:38 PM in reply to SoBenji
I do fervently hope the Tea Party movement spawns many, many candidates this year. Each one is more priceless than the one that came before, as they announce themselves...
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JNagarya
January 27, 2010 12:26 AM in reply to eztempo
I hope you'll find it as funny when these loons begin showing up at polling places armed.
That will require another dimension in legal history research: that of the tradition of prohibiting armed groups -- including military -- from polling places on election day, for obvious reasons.
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tmccarthy0
January 27, 2010 10:21 AM in reply to SoBenji
Whenever I see that Christian symbol, I know that is exactly the business not to call for any services what-so-ever.
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jsdc007
January 26, 2010 10:27 PM
Another girlie man on a barcalounger for Jesus and guns.
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AhTrini1
January 26, 2010 11:04 PM
Crazy ass racist folks; it's one thing to read it in books or see it on tv but quite another to be living it - WOW!
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mikedrevguy
January 26, 2010 11:39 PM
the most numbing of this speech, is how calmly, rationally, how matter of fact he proposes bloodshed. (and the number of 'amens' in the background of this calmly, rationally, matter-of-fact proposal of bloodshed)
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JNagarya
January 27, 2010 12:40 AM in reply to mikedrevguy
And currently there are bills in both houses of the GA legislature to legalize taking guns to church and political events.
Apparently they go by the abridged Ten Commandments:
"Thou shalt kill."
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mikedrevguy
January 27, 2010 3:29 PM in reply to JNagarya
"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause" and amens.
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Subliminability
January 26, 2010 11:47 PM
His website informs that he is
Owner and CEO of Atta Boy Plumbing Company
Dick the Plumber!
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tiowally
January 27, 2010 12:46 AM in reply to Subliminability
Atta Boy Plumbing
You can't find a dumber plumber?â„¢
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anna am
January 26, 2010 11:47 PM
Do we have enough jails for these people?
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ejg3
January 27, 2010 1:14 AM
The quote about all power coming from the barrel of a gun is by Chairman Mao. Considering that they make about everything else sold in this country I wouldn't be surprised that these Second Amendment folks will be helping widen the balance of trade even more.
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sangsue
January 27, 2010 2:21 AM
If he brings the guns, isn't he saying that if his "new people" don't get in he'll start shooting? How far will he take it? These new people scare the frick out of me.
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Neil
January 27, 2010 4:43 AM
what a con artist! he sounds like a TV evangelist.
"so i need your money... oh, and your prayers, i really hope you'll pray for me ... but make sure to remember the money ..."
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myobamabiden
January 27, 2010 9:19 AM
I HOPE HE FAILS
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im hip
January 27, 2010 9:25 AM
This type of pandering has evolved well past the point of sickening and is becoming, if even slightly, traiterous.
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AmericanDad
January 27, 2010 9:27 AM
He waits to clean his guns before he wants to use them? Too late. If you don't clean them before you store them, they begin to deteriorate rather quickly. Every kid growing up in a hunting area knows this from an early age. Since the Teabagger doesn't know the first thing about gun care, I doubt that he actually own one. I suggest he start with an "official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle!"
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brewmn61
January 27, 2010 10:19 AM in reply to AmericanDad
He might put his eye out. Maybe a water gun instead.
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AmericanDad
January 27, 2010 3:37 PM in reply to brewmn61
Good call! I thought for an instant he might accidentally shoot his brains out, but -- no -- there's no chance of that. You can't hit something that isn't there. This guy certainly gives us gut-wrenching glimpse into the cold, dark abyss where the conservative soul would reside if, indeed, there were such a thing as a "conservative soul."
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ethanatx
January 27, 2010 10:51 AM
Red VS. Blue politics, it really is easier than thinking. The attacks without evidence, streaming insults, snarky humor, and yet, no actual debate. The statements made by Mr. Behney are matched in there vapidity by the responses given. I really do hope that one day we will be able to have political discussions that are not so painfully predictable, patriotism and partisanship are two very different things.
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nsecchi
January 27, 2010 11:30 AM
Worse than the gun thing is the Christianity thing. A gun doesn't in itself give you the courage to through your life into a suicide mission but religion does. If these fools believe they are doing God's work it becomes a jihad for them just like an Islamic extremist.
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Mad Mike
January 27, 2010 12:22 PM
People like him are the reason I moved FROM Indiana. It's the northern most Southern state, the buckle of the Bible belt and the only state to ever elect a KKK promoted governor (Edward L. Jackson, Republican--1924.
Teabaggers, secret militias and flaming crosses--how Hoosier.
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ericf
January 27, 2010 12:25 PM
Did anyone hang on to the end for the extra dose of macho appeal? About six minutes in, he referred to Bachmann and Palin as the only tough guys in Congress, correcting himself that Palin isn't in Congress, and then said that says something bad about the men that a woman is the tough one. Evan Bayh does look like the sane one. I'll take worthless over dangerous.
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Leftflank
January 27, 2010 12:28 PM
If this is his idea of leadership, then by all means he should lead the goobers that would follow & implement his premeditated plan. You know, the vote for me or it's straight to the clean guns against our government plan.
In plumber speak, this guy's a little backed up.
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JNagarya
January 28, 2010 2:37 AM in reply to Leftflank
I think he's simply full of shit.
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vent-noir
April 16, 2010 11:59 AM
American is right on!
If he is stupid enough to say these things at a public meeting, then how many more stupid things will he say, try to write and/or vote on?
Beheney, why don't you try running for a local government position and see if you have that ability . . . before you attempt any other political disaster.
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June 12, 2010 4:35 PM
Concerning the "Federalist Papers": the CORRECT title of the book to which refer[red] is "The Federalist". As well, "The Federalist," not having been enacted by a legislature, is both NOT LAW and IRRELEVANT for several reasons. First, they were written by Hamilton, Madison, and Jay -- only one of whom would later be a member of the first Congress, which WROTE the Bill of Rights, under the newly-ratified Constitution.
Second, the authors ADMITTED that their purpose was to SELL the CONSTITUTION -- which OBVIOUSLY means they were not OBJECTIVE: they were BIASED in favor OF ratification. Third, and most relevant, as the Constitution was framed, and then ratified, WITHOUT a "Bill of Rights," the only mentions of "Bill of Rights" in "The Federalist" are REJECTIONS of the "NEED" for one.
Fourth, "The Federalist" was written by THREE delegates to the Constitutional Convention -- out of over FIFTY delegates; which delegates agreed on very little. THREE is an INCONSEQUENTIAL MINORITY of OVER FIFTY delegates. And those three were balanced by THREE delegates on the OPPOSITE end of the political spectrum who OPPOSED ratification of the Constitution because it DIDN'T have a "Bill of Rights". One of those was Elbridge Gerry, about whom more below.
Fifth, with ratification of the Constitution completed, Federalist promotion of that outcome ENDED.
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