
Republicans have put Democrats on the defensive in the Congressional midterm elections, but are facing their own challenges from conservatives across the country more frequently identifying with the tea party movement.
The trend started last fall when national momentum built behind conservative candidate Doug Hoffman in New York's 23rd Congressional district, pushing the party-chosen Republican Dede Scozzafava out of the race.
Now, Democratic sources tell us, tea party challengers have sprung up across the country. In many cases they are specifically saying they want to fight against the "establishment" of the National Republican Congressional Committee-backed candidates and incumbents who are too comfortable with the Washington way.
That's one reason you've seen Republicans paying homage to and lauding the work of the grassroots tea party movement, and the Democrats are happy to push this story line because in the case of NY-23, it resulted in an unexpected win for their candidate.
We've been tracking the race in VA-05, where seven Republican candidates are lining up in hopes of challenging top target Rep. Tom Perriello (D).
In the latest development there, Joe "the Plumber" Wurzelbacher of 2008 presidential campaign fame is endorsing Laurence Verga.
Wurzelbacher called Verga "a true American that truly understands the importance of the Constitution, and will follow it." They will campaign together this weekend.
As we have reported, Verga also was lauded by conservative talk radio host Laura Ingraham.
In AL-02, Rick Barber announced his candidacy in the Republican primary, challenging the NRCC candidate Martha Roby.
Barber, who calls himself a "conservative Tea Party Patriot," also announced he has hired Yates Walker, who served as a regional director of the Hoffman campaign in NY-23.
"There are a lot of parallels between Doug Hoffman and Rick Barber," Walker said in a release put out by the Barber campaign. "We need more representatives who believe in free market principles and understand balance sheets."
In PA-06, the race is heating up to replace Rep. Jim Gerlach (R), who is retiring to run for governor.
A TPM reader tipped us off to the fight between NRCC favorite Steve Welch and state Rep. Curt Schroder, a conservative.
Welch, like the establishment candidate in VA-05 Robert Hurt, just signed the Grover Norquist Americans for Tax Reform pledge against backing tax increases.
In this video below filmed at the July 4 tea party, Schroder addresses the tea party groups and asks for liberty to be continued.
"We don't like the direction our country is going. ... We have to return to a Constitutional republic," he said.
JNagarya
January 6, 2010 1:11 PM
PLEASE stop calling these far-right lunatic fringe loons "conservatives" -- it gives the impression that they are moderates, and therefore legitimate and credible, when in fact they are as far to the right as one can get without falling of the cliff.
These loons don't deserve the respect inherent in capitulating to their deceit of hiding behind that term. They are the perfervidly rabid foaming-at-the-mouth deranged domestic enemy. One should see that clearly when these assholes who've never READ the Constitution jabber about the Constitution. They are in such instances hiding their "Joe the Plumber" thuggery behind the pretense of lawfulness.
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pakaal
January 6, 2010 3:05 PM in reply to JNagarya
It's interesting to watch this split and reformation going on. I guess we really do need to start calling it the "Tea Party." Are they Conservative? Well, they sure aren't Liberal, anyway. Hard to tell, the whole thing is still forming, but they do seem pretty close to Libertarian IMO.
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worthy9
January 6, 2010 5:17 PM in reply to JNagarya
I respectfully disagree. The more the word conservative is associated with the TEA Party movement the better. Sure, it's more accurate to call them libertarians and/or extremists but Republicans are known as conservatives to the American public and, since Republicans have openly embraced and encouraged the TEA Party positions, it will communicate the ideological similarity more effectively to use the word conservative regardless of their true alignment.
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JNagarya
January 18, 2010 8:25 PM in reply to worthy9
It is wiser to establish in the public mind the FACT that conservatives are to the LEFT of these loons. That these loons are hiding behind a relatively moderate label in effort to hide their radical extremism.
It not only makes the conservatives look suspect to the loons to their right, it helps split the conservatives off from them and forces them leftward (for which the sane among them will breathe a sigh of releif, if not actually thank us).
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Forrest
January 6, 2010 5:25 PM in reply to JNagarya
I think we need to start spreading the term "Reactionaries" when talking about these people, because I agree that they're beyond conservatives. And I don't think a bit of conservatism is inherently a bad thing, so long as conservatives are willing to compromise and participate.
These folks see changes happening and it scares the hell out of them. They want the 'old' America back. I think Reactionary describes them accurately enough.
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ericf
January 7, 2010 1:47 AM in reply to Forrest
Reactionary is the right word, but not enough people know what it means. Let's not make a "stimulus" and "public option" mistake. Since this is what conservatism has come to, let's just use the word. If doing so damages "conservative" like conservatives have long been doing to "liberal", no crying on my part.
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markg8
January 7, 2010 9:02 AM in reply to ericf
Exactly. What kind of country do conservatives want to take us back to? One property owning white man, one vote? Unfettered crony capitalism? 18th century EPA regulations?
They have tried to eviscerate the federal government for their personal and political gain to the detriment of everyone. They even privatized much of the common defense with military contractors even though they think that's one of the few duties the federal government is actually responsible for.
I'd encourage any teabaggers in your area to primary your local Republicans wherever possible. If it's too late to get on the ballot see if the local Libertarians will slate a candidate. Force Republicans to shore up their right flank and they all become Sarah Palin.
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JNagarya
January 18, 2010 8:28 PM in reply to Forrest
I'm all for it because -- and so long as -- it's the truth. Therre is the problem with the term being unfamiliar to those who most need to know what it means.
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JNagarya
January 6, 2010 1:13 PM
Tea Party? Full-of-Vociferous-Shit Party.
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CityGuy
January 6, 2010 1:15 PM
Damn, I need some popcorn while I watch them devour their own!
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Lucidity
January 6, 2010 1:21 PM
They would not be true teabaggers if they knew how to spell "judgment."
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M.L.H.
January 7, 2010 4:58 AM in reply to Lucidity
@lucidity
"Judgement" is the British spelling, so it's not completely incorrect. I have a problem with the idea that "Judgment Day" happened in Virginia and New Jersey, but not in upstate New York.
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Silence
January 6, 2010 1:24 PM
Just ignore the TEA partiers. They'll go away.
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commie atheist
January 7, 2010 12:35 AM in reply to Silence
We're not ignoring them, moron. We're laughing at them. And at you.
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bearnut
January 6, 2010 1:53 PM
Can't these morans spell!! Just unbelievable. Oh, and I forgot, the GOP capturing the state houses in Virginia and New Jersey was because of the tea baggers. RRRRRight!
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Silence
January 6, 2010 2:05 PM in reply to bearnut
Keep calling them names. That's been a very effective strategy so far!!
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WaitWut?
January 6, 2010 3:35 PM in reply to Silence
You're right. I mean, they show absolutely nothing but total respect for Democrats, Liberals, our flag, our President. How dare we call them names! I mean, they've never called me names like, Nazi, Communist, Fascist, Socialist!
Wait...screw them. I've come face to face with too many of them to not know their behavior. They're wannabes and will continue to be a farce until they grow up and act like adults. So, until that time, and until they stop using derogatory words and phrases on their crayon-drawn signs and can actually come up with some sort of logic, they will be teabaggers. Or, would you prefer clowns?
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Silence
January 6, 2010 3:44 PM in reply to WaitWut?
Wannabe whats?
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WaitWut?
January 6, 2010 3:47 PM in reply to Silence
Activists, concerned citizens, patriots, educated masses...
I could go on...
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Silence
January 6, 2010 4:17 PM in reply to WaitWut?
I see. One must fall on one's knees before the Dem party and the Wall street criminals in order to qualify as an activist, concerned citizen or patriot? Got it.
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bearnut
January 6, 2010 5:12 PM in reply to Silence
That is not what WaitWut wrote, if you bothered to read it. The anti-Obama tea protesters ARE the lunatic fringe, and will continue to be so long as they cling to birthers, or the notion that providing access to health care to the middle class and poor is the communist, socialist, marxist, or fascist.
No one is talking here about obeying the Democratic Party or Wall Street. Quite the contrary, there are mostly free thinkers here, just progressive free thinkers.
I have been to a tea bagger protest (on 4/15/09). It was a sounding post for the local Republican party activists. It was largely populated by signs regarding birth certificates, nazis, socialism, etc. I did not see or hear one argument not followed or preceded by a profound hatred for President Obama. The words used to describe the new president made me sad and angry. There was so much hate and ugliness. And not a person of color in the whole group could I find.
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WaitWut?
January 6, 2010 6:05 PM in reply to bearnut
Thanks, bear for getting that for me. I was just going to ignore it because I hurt my head when I slammed it into the monitor.
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lousgirl84
January 7, 2010 10:32 AM in reply to bearnut
"Moron" is with an O - not an A.
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Jon Geeting
January 6, 2010 2:07 PM
Christina, I hope you'll cover what's going on in PA-15. Charlie Dent is one of the DCCC's top targets, and the Dem candidate John Callahan, Bethlehem mayor, was personally recruited by Joe Biden. Dent has two teabaggers to deal with - a primary from activist Mathew Benol, and a third-party Independent bid from activist Jake Towne. Double-baggin!
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twoviragos
January 6, 2010 2:34 PM
"Barber, who calls himself a "conservative Tea Party Patriot," also announced he has hired Yates Walker, who served as a regional director of the Hoffman campaign in NY-23."
Hmm? So, he hired the guy who screwed up an election so badly that the district elected a Democrat for the first time since the Civil War?
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Weitberg
January 6, 2010 2:37 PM
The best moment in future Tea Party history will be when they storm Florida and throw Charlie Crist in the water.
TheWeekinRebuke.com
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pol
January 6, 2010 4:51 PM
We laugh at these people, but they are motivated to "take back their government," whatever that means. Democratic voters are tired and aren't motivated. Plus, we have a compliant press. The teabaggers could possibly win.
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fsudirectory
January 7, 2010 12:09 AM in reply to pol
yes yes yes
Democrats never care because they dont see the need to scream and rant, the same "not caring" that was in place because Obama was so far ahead...
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tedski
January 6, 2010 5:04 PM
I'm having a laugh at the candidate's name in Virginia. That word "Verga" has some less than savory conotations here in the Southwest. And they thought being called a "tea bagger" was bad.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=verga
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Alex39
January 6, 2010 5:06 PM
Okay, TPM -- just for the record -- I appreciate puns as a rule, but tea does not "percolate." Coffee can percolate, sometimes. But tea steeps.
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georgecs
January 6, 2010 5:59 PM
They may wrap their rhetoric in the flag, but what their argument really boils down to is that they don't want to pay taxes - for any reason. Since they also would never give up the social services that benefit them directly, like fire and police departments, roads, bridges, and traffic lights, municipal water and sewage systems, and so on their argument really seems to boil down to "I got mine, f*ck you."
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Old-Style Progressive
January 6, 2010 6:04 PM in reply to georgecs
Exactly.
Quoth Oliver Wendell Holmes, "Taxes are what we pay for a civilized society." It's carved into the side of the IRS building in Washington. Therefore, do they want an uncivilized society? Or no society at all?
My money's on the latter.
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commie atheist
January 7, 2010 12:49 AM in reply to Old-Style Progressive
They don't know what they want, because they haven't thought through any of their positions. They are just a bunch of angry people, pissed at the fact that they're not doing better economically, or that a black man was elected president, or whatever some radio screamer tells them to be angry about. So they're looking for someone to blame for...something. But what? High taxes? The income tax rates have been moving steadily downward since the high-water mark of 90% for the top marginal rate in the Eisenhower administration. The rate is lower now than it was under Reagan. Bank bailouts? But they are against aggressive government regulation of the financial industry, because that would be too much government intrusion.
I'm not worried about the fucking teabaggers, because they don't have a coherent ideology. And having idiots like Not-Joe the Not-Plumber as one of their leading lights dooms them to irrelevance. They will be a distant memory by the time 2012 rolls around.
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Old-Style Progressive
January 6, 2010 6:02 PM
So they claim that they can run the country better? Show me the proof. The truth is...they will only be happy so long as they are in the opposition. I love it when they, or any other wingnut reactionary says they hate Washington and the DC establishment, then want to go there and reap the rewards.
Face it, tea partiers: unless the US dissolves into 50 bickering states and one federal district without a home, you will never get what you want. Unless that means total anarchy.
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fsudirectory
January 7, 2010 12:15 AM in reply to Old-Style Progressive
You mean Somalia or Yemen? That does sound like "Tea Bagger Paradise" to me, a whole bunch of feudal states with a non-existent or close to the end of a federal goverment where everyone has guns, worries about their village and hates central governments.
I think the Taliban/Al-Qaeda just might pass the GOP purity test
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Silence
January 6, 2010 8:02 PM
I don't understand why you folks are blaming the TEA party for your failures.
You won. Remember? Of course, I do find it rather curious that people of such "superior intellect" would fail to consult with those most in touch with the daily economic engine of this country. But, hey. Small business isn't as glamorous as Wall street banksters and multi-national corps.
Instead, entrepreneurs from across the nation are reacquainting themselves with Ayn Rand and attending TEA parties that provide endless opportunities for jocularity at the expense of the alleged intellects.
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the true enduring majority
January 6, 2010 10:59 PM in reply to Silence
You or your fellow scrotum smelling geriatric fellow travelers wouldn't know jack shit about "small business" or any business for that matter if it bit you in the ass, put on a fireworks show or made an educational PSA.
It was the exact bullshit free market, Ayn Rand nonsense that you morons spout that brought this country to the edge of a second Great Depression.
By the way, no one here is blaming the Teabaggers for anything. In fact, IMHO they'll be the key to a Democratic victory this November due to their insistence on purging the Republican party of any candidate with a remote chance of getting elected outside of the most inbred, assbackwards redneck districts in places like Oklahoma or Appilachia.
Please keep up the good work Silence. I don't know what I would do without you for political comic relief.
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willia451
January 7, 2010 5:52 AM in reply to the true enduring majority
Actually it was credit default swaps based on mortgage backed securities, sub-prime mortgages plus insanely low interest rates, an over-leveraged public and private sector, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae being pushed by our government to give loans to those who could not afford them, and an ill-advised energy policy that nearly brought this country to the edge of a second Great Depression.
Not the free markets.
The REAL problem was no one was minding the store. So the greedy rascals looted the hell out of it.
It really IS all Bush and Cheney's fault.
If the Tea Partiers want to vilify someone, it MUST be them.
But it won't be. For obvious reasons.
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Silence
January 7, 2010 8:19 AM in reply to willia451
There is no need to vilify anyone, in particular. Although great fun, it is pointless. A society that rewards failure and punishes success has no chance of survival.
Rand's predictions were dead on accurate. The only thing left to do is sit back and watch it all unravel.
In the meantime, the younger children must be acquainted with the basic principles of natural law and a civil society. It sure as hell won't be covered in our schools, so it must presented by parents.
From the ash heaps of ideological failure, they can and will rebuild this nation.
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Signalman
January 8, 2010 10:09 AM in reply to Silence
"There is no need to vilify anyone"
Unless, of course, they're a disabled veteran and Silence disagrees with them.
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kenga
January 7, 2010 8:34 AM in reply to willia451
Not the free markets.
Uh, the only one of those things that doesn't indict "free markets"*, maybe, is Fannie and Freddie. But I think most here would agree that their actions were prompted by representatives of the private sector - aka lobbyists. (*Financial "innovation" sound familiar?)
Alan Greenspan - Mr. Objectivist Rand-fan himself admitted, in public and on TV, that the very principles behind the concept of free market economics were wrong, and that he was mistaken, and that's how the US and world economies got to be in this morass.
In a free market, no one needs to mind the store - market forces will ensure that all outcomes are optimal. It's the fundamental pillar of faith in free markets. And it was adherents to that faith that encouraged the private sector to play fast and loose with their money, and their customers' money, and money they borrowed, and money they created out of thin air with "financial products".
Free markets, or more importantly, unquestioned blind faith in unrestrained markets, are at the root of many of the problems we currently face - economic, social, environmental. And especially those we're currently enmeshed in.
Don't give the core faith a pass.
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Silence
January 7, 2010 9:11 AM in reply to kenga
The rule of law exists to protect free markets and the rights of the individual. When corruption arises, the rule of law should be strong enough to contain and destroy it.
When the source of corruption is rooted in govt, thereby distorting the rule of law, the end result is catastrophic.
This is what Greenspan missed.
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onecrappyusername
January 7, 2010 10:35 AM in reply to Silence
In Alan Greenspan's own words: "I made a mistake in presuming that the self-interests of organizations, specifically banks and others, were such as that they were best capable of protecting their own shareholders and their equity in the firms.”
It's not about government interference in the free market - it's that the free market concept itself is fundamentally flawed.
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Silence
January 7, 2010 10:56 AM in reply to onecrappyusername
Really? When a bank knows it will be bailed out by the govt because they're "too big to fail", the rules of the game change dramatically. Wouldn't you agree?
In fact, the rules are thrown right out the window!!!
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onecrappyusername
January 7, 2010 11:11 AM in reply to Silence
It was the over-leveraging and reckless gambling (and the resulting collapse of bear stearns) that gave birth to the concept of "too big to fail".
not the other way around, silly :)
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Silence
January 7, 2010 11:30 AM in reply to onecrappyusername
Failure is failure. Defining it with terms like 'risky bets' does not change it's true nature.
Corrupt and poorly run institutions must be permitted to fail. Yes. The fallout is terrible. However, removal of this debris gives way to the cream.
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willia451
January 7, 2010 11:58 AM in reply to Silence
Maybe. But it was also that kind of philosophy that made the "Great" Depression so "Great".
I agree. Allow institutions that should fail, to fail.
But for God's sake, our government should at the very least engineer a soft landing for the rest of us.
If we can't at least do that much for ourselves, then what the hell are we doing?
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Silence
January 7, 2010 12:10 PM in reply to willia451
Soft landings have unintended and often destructive consequences.
It's better to take one good hit, then get up and start again.
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onecrappyusername
January 7, 2010 12:33 PM in reply to Silence
I didn't argue in favor of TBTF or attempt to redefine failure. But that's a non sequitur so I'll let it drop.
I'm glad we agree that those companies are responsible for the mess they got themselves into :)
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Silence
January 7, 2010 1:01 PM in reply to onecrappyusername
And what blame should we assign to govt backed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? Is it the responsibility of taxpayers to securitize mortgages? If these institutions never existed, would the banks have taken on so much risk? Could they have grown 'too big to fail'?
Fannie and Freddie are now losing hundreds of billions and have been promised unlimited taxpayer dollars. The law of unintended consequences. It'll get you every time.
It's nice to have a discussion without all the name calling, isn't it?
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onecrappyusername
January 7, 2010 5:38 PM in reply to Silence
I am indeed enjoying this conversation. The way you think is very different from my own, and that's interesting. I hope it doesn't die with the work day :)
You ask how much I would blame fannie/freddie. I actually think that to assign blame to them, or to AIG, or BoA, or even Countrywide when they are only parts of the much larger system which failed is to misunderstand the real reasons why things went south, to miss the forest for the trees so to speak.
As I see it, the real cause of the crisis was that it became normal behavior across the entire financial industry to measure their success in terms of profit and share price instead of metrics that reflect their actual business. It's the drive to make more money that led investment banks to create financial products out of thin air; it's that drive that led ratings agencies to rate that thin air as AAA investments, it's that drive that led banks to push people who couldn't afford a home into a mortgage so the investment banks could issue more thin air, it drove AIG to insure the whole mess, and so on. You asked if fannie/freddie never existed whether banks, etc would have taken on so much risk - OF COURSE!!!! They would have done exactly the same thing, because the same factors that compelled their risk taking - the desire for profit and ever-increasing share price - wasn't dependent on fannie and freddie. It was intrinsic to the system. It's reflected in all of the participating agents - investment banks, ratings agencies, insurers, and mortgage lenders! It was a systemic failure of the free market, and it's the flaw that Greenspan missed. Which brings us right back to where we started :)
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Silence
January 7, 2010 7:25 PM in reply to onecrappyusername
Thank you for your thoughtful response.
So, what is your opinion on the Geithner/AIG/Goldman Sachs deal? These guys are really something, aren't they?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/07/geithners-new-york-fed-to_n_414449.html
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Signalman
January 8, 2010 9:49 AM in reply to onecrappyusername
"You asked if fannie/freddie never existed whether banks, etc would have taken on so much risk - OF COURSE!!!! They would have done exactly the same thing, because the same factors that compelled their risk taking - the desire for profit and ever-increasing share price - wasn't dependent on fannie and freddie. It was intrinsic to the system."
This is exactly right. There were plenty of investment and brokerage houses doing the *exact same thing* as FNMA and FHLMC (Fannie and Freddie) were doing.
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mrdufus2u
January 7, 2010 12:49 PM in reply to Silence
I'm sure you were out there voicing these objections everywhere when Pres. Bush initiated the TARP program. Of course you were.
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Silence
January 7, 2010 2:04 PM in reply to mrdufus2u
As a matter of fact, I was. Over 40 emails to senators and congressman, on this subject, are stored in my outbox.
Unfortunately, our royal representatives have chosen not to listen to their constituents. As a result, unintended consequences are surfacing again. It's a shame, really.
The truth is a tough pill to swallow, but once it goes down, it's down.
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Signalman
January 8, 2010 9:54 AM in reply to Silence
"As a matter of fact, I was. Over 40 emails to senators and congressman, on this subject, are stored in my outbox."
Then post some of them here. Let's see some proof of your claims.
If you can question the veracity of others here, then surely you have no complaint coming when your own veracity is questioned.
Sauce for the goose, you understand.
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Signalman
January 8, 2010 9:45 AM in reply to Silence
"I don't understand why you folks are blaming the TEA party for your failures."
You mean like in NY-23?
The teabaggers don't have a single victory to point to. Maybe you should try winning a few elections before you start talking smack about other people's supposed "failures."
(laughing, pointing) :D
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Turnaround
January 7, 2010 5:34 AM
"...and that we allow freedom and liberty to really be proclaimed..."
What the hey does that even mean?
I think Palin and the Teabaggers are the best thing to happen in US politics in recent years. In fact, I plan to donate to a number of their races.
Then I'll sit back and watch the parasitic larvae consume its host--the old school BobDole-type "Money Republican" party from within. Delicious!
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Silence
January 7, 2010 11:14 AM in reply to Turnaround
Allow me to present an example of how it should NOT work.
Last week, I spoke with a small businessman who was beside himself with anger. Several years ago, he developed a device, with his own time and money. He built a company around his product and now employs 30 people.
He recently discovered that another company, located just across town, has been awarded 1 million, through the stinkulus bill, to develop the same device.
The govt is taking money from the most productive and innovative people in society and using that money to destroy them.
Does anyone else see a problem here?
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mrdufus2u
January 7, 2010 12:46 PM in reply to Silence
I see a problem here .. actually two problems. You tell one story about one individual and we're suppoesed to think it represents everything that has happened under the entire stimulus bill. The other problem is your story is suspiciously short of particulars. For starters, what sort of "device," and why should I take your word that what the other businessman is working on is really an equivalent "device?" Using context-less anecdotes to represent large trends is one of the oldest ways to mislead people.
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Morbo
January 7, 2010 12:59 PM in reply to mrdufus2u
Well, after all, the plural of "anecdote" is "data" to the average dumb-shit rightwinger.
That's why they think snow in Buffalo invalidates millions of hours of peer-reviewed, double blind-tested climatology research when it comes to global warming. "It's colder today than yesterday, that proves there's no such thing as global warming. Durrrrr!"
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Silence
January 7, 2010 2:20 PM in reply to mrdufus2u
Allow me to make a comparison that someone of your experience level may understand.
Ok. You're playing in the finals of the NCAA championship. Your team has worked tirelessly to get to this level. The team has made all the right plays, made all the right sacrifices and now it's time to claim the prize.
With 1 minute left in the fourth quarter, your team is up by 10 points. Suddenly, the referee walks over to the scorekeeper, takes control of scoreboard and adds 10 points to your opponent's score. There is no rhyme or reason for it. He just does it because he can.
Do you see the problem now?
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Signalman
January 8, 2010 10:00 AM in reply to Silence
It seems that we have only *your* word that Businessman A was quicker to market than Businessman B was, and that Businessman B did not deserve the nice government money (which I suspect you wouldn't be complaining about if Businessman A got it, hypocrite).
If Businessman A didn't patent his device, get it to market quickly enough or do enough promotion and advertising, then it sounds to me like he only has his own bad business choices to blame. Of course, if he *did* do those things, then there are plenty of attorneys who, I'm sure, would love to take his case.
Otherwise, that's how capitalism works in the big city. Sometimes investors pick your competition and not you. Too bad for Businessman A.
Isn't Ayn Rand great?
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sabatia
January 7, 2010 8:00 AM
Yesterday on my way to work I passed the Post Office and there was a small group set up with a table and big posters of Obama with a Hitler moustache. This was in Kingston, Massachusetts! I am not sure if they were Teabaggers of Lyndon Larouchians. The LaRouche people--among the most vile and vicious nutbags--have glommed on to the Tea Party almost since the beginning, and claim that that image of Obama as Hitler is theirs. So I suspect that all the extremist groups are attaching themselves to the Tea Party as a recruiting ground and to get the Tea Party "buzz". It will be interesting to see how the Tea Party and the GOP deal with people in their own ranks that even they revile. I wish someone in the media--maybe here at TPM--would do a story on LaRouche and the Teabaggers.
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sabatia
January 7, 2010 8:39 AM in reply to sabatia
Teabaggers OR Larouchians
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Silence
January 7, 2010 10:49 AM in reply to sabatia
It's called freedom of speech and there is nothing you can or anyone else can do about it. Bad taste is bad taste. It shows up in music, art, movies, schools, clothing, advertisements and politics. Bush was portrayed as Hitler and worse during his term. That's the way it is.
Spare us your disingenuous indignation.
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Signalman
January 8, 2010 10:04 AM in reply to Silence
Spare us yours.
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warbaby
January 7, 2010 8:08 AM
Conservative used to mean part of the political consensus. Now it means rejection of any sort of consensus process.
The far right has a long history of continually switching labels on themselves. It's a reaction against critical thinking. Same office, new sign on the door. Or more crudely, same toilet, new stain.
These folks are talking like people who want to start a civil war. It's not going to happen, but there will be political violence. I spent a lot of time as a reporter going to "Patriot" meetings in the 1990s. The Tea Party is the result of mainstreaming white supremacy. Most of their rhetoric and ideology is cleaned up (and broadened out) from Posse Comitatus and Freemen stuff. No coincidence that Cleon Skousen (long a leading light in the "Patriot" movement when he was alive) called his show The Freemen Institute. After the showdown with the Montana Freemen, they've opted for "Constitutionalist" instead of Freemen, but it's essentially the same song and dance that Richard Potter Gale was peddling with his perverted "Committee of the States." The militias in the 1990s were the second round for that crowd.
Nobody paid much attention to the Posse twenty years ago. Now it's gotten so that attention must be paid.
This whole nonsense will polarize the Republicans and then dissolve like smoke once the fringe nutcases start committing mass murders in their frustration. Before the Oklahoma City bombing, the Patriot movement was treated as a joke. This will have a similar trajectory -- ending in a series of suicidal domestic terrorism incidents.
Mind you, most of the people caught up in the emotional plague don't have a clue about the roots or history of this peculiarly American form of insanity. They are just a rabble and a whiff of ANFO will teach them order.
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Watt Childress
January 7, 2010 10:35 AM
So far, most of the news and opinion I've seen at TPM frames the Tea Party movement as an unruly crowd of strange fools worthy of little more than mockery. However deserved that reputation, progressive commentator Thom Hartmann suggests that this movement is the closest thing we have now to a real revolution in this country. I agree with him.
Last night I posted a ditty shortly after JM flagged this important story by Christina Bellantoni. In it I attempt to reframe the context for Tea Party discussions. My assessment may seem strange and foolish, but I hope it is at least a little fun. Anyone who is interested can read "New Year's tea with the ghost of Teddy Roosevelt" at my blog.
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ejg3
January 7, 2010 11:51 AM
Wurzelbacher's legal name is Samuel and the Joe is as phony as everything else about the got. With apologies to an early rock group, he's the second Sam the Sham.
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dougom
January 7, 2010 3:59 PM
The scary thing is, these people mouth these things, and they clearly don't have the slightest idea what they mean.
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Ted
January 8, 2010 2:12 AM
I think we should embrace these guys.
1. We probably agree with them on what the problems are more than you might think.
2. They will win elections -- for Democrats -- as they split the Republican/Libertarian vote.
3. Their heads will explode when we join them in common cause of preserving the bill of rights, taking our country back (we may not agree from whom), Kelo, etc.
They can't really be fond of the banksters, skimmers, and swindlers, can they?
They have the same blind faith in Palin as some of us did in Obama -- I mean, they are not really much change from their respective party's mainstream, but we want them to be.
Too bad they think they hate liberals. We'd have a lot in common, if they'd quit watching Fox and start using their noodles.
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Chris
January 8, 2010 3:05 PM
Hey Christina, here is a dandy in IL-12!! Check this out.
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