
At the CPAC conference, Human Events editor Jed Babbin introduced Grover Norquist, the top anti-tax conservative activist in the country. During his introduction, Babbin joked about the recent airplane attack on an IRS building in Texas, which reportedly killed both the alleged perpetrator and a person who was in the building.
"And let me just say, I'm really happy to see Grover today," said Babbin. "He was getting a little testy in the past couple of weeks. And I was just really, really glad that it was not him identified as flying that airplane into the IRS building."
The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
February 19, 2010 10:35 AM
Murder, terrorism, torture, rape, gay bashing--all excellent sources of humor if you're a CPAC conservative.
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Dave303
February 19, 2010 1:06 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
So I guess the take-away from this joke is that, in Babbin’s opinion, you are completely justified in killing IRS workers - or at least terrorizing them - as long as you really really don’t want to pay your taxes.
So is terrorism an act that induces terror? If so, how were the rank and file IRS workers feeling yesterday afternoon? How about now, after Babbin’s public approval?
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B.C.
February 19, 2010 4:22 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Unless the exact same joke is made by a liberal, THEN it's clearly a lack of morals and/or patriotism that allowed them to say it.
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mans_best_friend
February 19, 2010 10:35 AM
If he thought this was funny he must have been in stitches when the hijackers flew their planes into the World Trade Centers.
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Brownbagger
February 19, 2010 10:50 AM in reply to mans_best_friend
Well since it didn't happen on Bush's watch.
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JNagarya
February 19, 2010 4:38 PM in reply to Brownbagger
Mmmm. Since it didn't happen on Bushit's watch, does that then mean it didn't happen at all?
Or did Clinton, using a top secret magic materialist time machine, beam the event ahead in time in order to put the responsibility onto Bushit?
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
February 19, 2010 10:51 AM in reply to mans_best_friend
The Oklahoma City bombing doubtless yielded a million chuckles for him as well.
Right now in in Austin, there's an actual grieving family of actual human beings who lost someone they loved in this senseless crime. Those people aren't real to Babbin, however, because he doesn't know them. Their grief doesn't affect him personally. He's like so many conservative activists. He lives in a world filled with a few actual people who he knows personally and a few billion cardboard cutouts and comic book caricatures to whom one may do whatever one wants and about whom one may say anything he wants because they're not real people.
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WaitWut?
February 19, 2010 10:56 AM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
That's the hardest part for me to deal with. The anger and real hatred I have for this man gets sideswiped by my sympathy for the families, including that 12 year old step-daughter of his.
Selfish prick. Who told him his life was more important than everyone else's?
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mcrose68
February 19, 2010 11:51 AM in reply to WaitWut?
That's the beauty of faith. He doesn't need anyone to tell him, he just knows.
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MyMy
February 19, 2010 2:03 PM in reply to WaitWut?
Conservatives truly believe that they are worth far more than the average person.
They've been taught this by Ayn Rand. They've been taught this by Coe Christiantity (C Street).
They believe it body and soul (if they had souls).
How any decent person could believe in their big Oil driven nonsense is beyond me.
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B.C.
February 19, 2010 4:24 PM in reply to MyMy
Nicely said.
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AirBoss
February 19, 2010 10:43 AM
Sick f**k.
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Dorn76
February 19, 2010 10:55 AM
Domestic terrorism, haha! Funny!
Prick.
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Barfood
February 19, 2010 10:55 AM
Dehumanize them first - that way they're easier to kill. Basically, it's Glen Beck's job description.
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EH
February 19, 2010 11:01 AM
I'll bet Grover feels the insanity that drove this guy better than almost anyone. Or, at least, he feels the comfort of the house that inspiring that insanity bought him.
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Walter Mitty
February 19, 2010 11:03 AM
And what did Grover Norquist say about the "joke"? Did the crowd laugh and cheer?
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Steve LaBonne
February 19, 2010 11:04 AM
As Atrios would put it- sick, broken people.
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Tres
February 19, 2010 11:05 AM
Oooh. Too soon?
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Tres
February 19, 2010 11:09 AM in reply to Tres
Actually, I'm not at all surprised to see these folks come out of the closet on this. If this fool and Scott Brown are already dipping their toes into this poison pool, it won't be long before we see the teabaggers rallying with "Stack Was Right" signs (bonus: all monosyllabic, and easy to spell).
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Powkat
February 19, 2010 11:58 AM in reply to Tres
Five bucks says at least one of them misspells something.
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Rick Jones
February 19, 2010 12:05 PM in reply to Powkat
Stak Was Rite
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Ohm on the Range
February 19, 2010 2:00 PM in reply to Rick Jones
Shouldn't that be "Stak wus rite" ?
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Rick Jones
February 19, 2010 2:33 PM in reply to Ohm on the Range
my mistake. thanks for the correction.
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JNagarya
February 19, 2010 4:43 PM in reply to Rick Jones
Stack wuz Reich.
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Rick Jones
February 19, 2010 12:09 PM in reply to Tres
Joe the Pilot replaces Joe the Plumber.
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tamiasmin
February 19, 2010 3:12 PM in reply to Rick Jones
Joe the Plumber, Joe the Pilot, and Jed the Putz.
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brewmn61
February 19, 2010 12:17 PM in reply to Tres
Well, Stack went out of his way to portray humself as a martyr for the cause. I'm certain some of these delusional morons will support that portrayal.
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smartalek
February 20, 2010 12:01 AM in reply to Tres
Yet at least some of them will still spell it "rihgt" or "rite"
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CVille Dem
February 19, 2010 11:06 AM
But Emmanuel had to apologize for calling Democrats "fu**ing retarded!
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AnswerFrog
February 19, 2010 11:19 AM
GOP are really one or two steps away from this kind of thing.
Remember the 1990s? When you had Liddy talking about "head shots" to ATF agents, and then McVeigh blows up a federal building.
GOP are once again flirting with and sympathizing with domestic terrorism.
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Rick Jones
February 19, 2010 11:56 AM in reply to AnswerFrog
And it will be Obama's fault when more such incidents happen. Just like this one will soon be blamed on him. He's out there inciting this kind of thing, you know, being black and all.
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Brownbagger
February 19, 2010 5:03 PM in reply to Rick Jones
BWBP (Black While Being President)
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AnswerFrog
February 19, 2010 12:14 PM in reply to AnswerFrog
What's funny is that I had the same thought about Grover Norquist when this happened. Can't be a good sign that when terrorist incidents happen, Republicans come to mind as inspiration.
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JNagarya
February 19, 2010 4:46 PM in reply to AnswerFrog
Whether they know it or not -- and I think it obvious it's deliberate -- they are calling for more of the same.
Keep in mind that these are the Second Amendment-lie gun-nuts and Neo-Confeferates/-Nazis/White Supremacists who are itching for civil war.
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AKHunter
February 19, 2010 11:28 AM
During the next election, every Democrat should define "Kidding on the Square" and provide examples like this.
Watching coverage of CPAC, I just keep thinking that every one of these idiots reminds me of White Goodman from Dodgeball.
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Matt Jones
February 19, 2010 12:08 PM
Remember the key conservative belief: when a white tax protester flies a plane into a building, they are a "disturbed individual", best dealt with by law enforcement and not indicative of a larger threat. But when a brown person lights his pants on fire on a plane, he's a TERRORIST who needs to be tortured / detained by the military and a reflection of a vast Islamic conspiracy. Amazing how that works...
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jah627
February 19, 2010 12:29 PM in reply to Matt Jones
Exactly...personally, I think the CIA should be rounding up his family and known acquaintances for shipment to an unknown black site. And Grover too.
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JNagarya
February 19, 2010 5:14 PM in reply to jah627
"black sites" are for terrorists. There would be white sites available for white "patriots" except that they're white "patriots".
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PDJ52
February 19, 2010 6:13 PM in reply to jah627
No, if we go back to precedent and the Bush administration the government should be rounding up his family and flying them off to safety so they can't be questioned by the FBI. Bin Ladens anyone?
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Dan Costello
February 19, 2010 12:30 PM
Wow. Yeah, that's freaking hilarious -- what a tone-deaf jerk.
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Knothead Jake
February 19, 2010 5:07 PM in reply to Dan Costello
It's as if he's jerking off onto a grave.
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bluestatedon
February 19, 2010 12:56 PM
Actually, I am a little disappointed that it wasn't that fat little parasite Norquist piloting the plane.
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jeffgee
February 19, 2010 2:25 PM in reply to bluestatedon
Then we could have been rid of him.
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JNagarya
February 19, 2010 4:49 PM in reply to bluestatedon
He would have needed the know-it-all Newt aboard to tell him how to fly it.
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hamiltonian
February 19, 2010 1:29 PM
So why isn't there an outcry about the administration's "delay" in calling this an act of terrorism? How, exactly, is this different from the shooting at Ft. Hood?
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ohyeathatsright
February 19, 2010 1:32 PM
Apparently Norquist is a potential threat to our national security. Better lock him up in Guantanamo North.
Babbin also apparently holds information that could lead to the capture of additional domestic terrorists. We should see how he feels about waterboarding now.
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Rich in NJ
February 19, 2010 1:32 PM
Why is CPAC soft on terrorism?
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eric the red
February 19, 2010 1:37 PM
Democrats should be doing what Republicans would be doing if the situation was reversed: stand up and demand an apology. Throw a fit, demand a vote on a resolution condemning this.
Do I need to write this for the spineless Democrats?
"There is nothing funny about attacks against the government of this country. There is nothing funny about the death, injury and destruction that happened in Texas. Intentionally flying an airplane into a government building is terrorism. Mr. Babbin and his fellow conservatives should apologize to the families of those affected and condemn this attack."
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Brownbagger
February 19, 2010 3:12 PM in reply to eric the red
Bravo. Ben detto.
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Hey Obama - Get in the Fight!!
February 19, 2010 1:38 PM
So if Democrats knew anything about having balls and playing politics, they'd make an issue out of this. We'll see...
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Brownbagger
February 19, 2010 3:18 PM in reply to Hey Obama - Get in the Fight!!
Democrats suffer from basic decency, civility, willingness to compromise.
Repugnicans know it. Use it. Revel in it.
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Schmed
February 19, 2010 4:08 PM in reply to Brownbagger
Democrats suffer from basic decency, civility, willingness to compromise.
That's why they regularly get their collective ass kicked. they suffer from CBS: Charlie Brown Syndrome.
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traitorjoe
February 19, 2010 1:51 PM
You'd think CPAC would be more sensitive about one of their board members.
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MarinCat
February 19, 2010 1:53 PM
ROTFLMA..... Now I get it!
Make gubmint so small and weak that you can kill it by crashing a plane into it!
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Thomas G Williams
February 19, 2010 1:58 PM
WHAT IS IT WITH THESE CONSERVALIGIOUS RETHUGLICANS AND CONDONING ACTS OF VIOLENCE AND TERRORISM? You have one a STATE GOVERNOR no less, calling for acts of violence against the UNITED STATES and you have OTHERS CALLING FOR WORSE, It is time to put these mad dog CONSERVALIGIOUS RETHUGLICANS down, they are calling for and promoting acts of terrorism and violence as if it is OK to do so, this is incitement and not free or political speech, they want to provoke and motivate violence as a means to an end and it is NOT OK, it is in fact the way they are so blase' about this that shows (when it comes to the UNITED STATES and the compact of the US CONSTITUTION) they are nothing more than SANCTIMONIOUS and TREASONOUS BASTARDS & (to be PC) BITCHES.
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AnswerFrog
February 19, 2010 2:14 PM
GOP has a grand history of sympathizing with terrorism, violence, extremism.
I guess it's only a matter of degree when you talk about "tyranny" and "evil" fed government that is "oppressing" us so much we need to talk about a "revolution" and hint at violence -- and somebody acting on those violent words.
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NobleCommentDecider
February 19, 2010 2:15 PM
Does this mean that other Republicans may have to pay more taxes to replace the IRS building?
Norquist wanted to drown the government, Stack tried to immolate it. Two peas from the same GOP pod.
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AnswerFrog
February 19, 2010 2:30 PM in reply to NobleCommentDecider
It makes you wonder: Is Grover Norquist only an audit away from strapping on a suicide vest?
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Bullsmith
February 19, 2010 2:19 PM
Ha ha ha ha. Conservatives are so funny these days.
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Wisco
February 19, 2010 2:22 PM
"And, for my next joke, I'll need a puppy to drown..."
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dustbunny44
February 19, 2010 2:23 PM
How can they make a joke that terrorist-like behavior was perpetrated by a person with views like their constituents?
That's equating their constituents with terrorists.
And laughing about it.
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VictorLH
February 19, 2010 2:27 PM
Way to stay Classy there pal.
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rawresolve
February 19, 2010 2:28 PM
They are just being who they are, sociopaths.
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ihatebeets
February 19, 2010 2:29 PM
hahahahahaha freakin hilarious. Did he read this idiotic quip off a teleprompter?
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Solomon Drek
February 19, 2010 2:32 PM
Conservative talk radio host Bob Grant was fired by WABC New York in 1996 when he joked how relieved he was that the only survivor of a plane crash wasn't Commerce Secretary Ron Brown.
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Shoto
February 19, 2010 3:03 PM
Is this the biggest collection of assholes and psychos ever, or am I missing something?
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JNagarya
February 19, 2010 5:06 PM in reply to Shoto
You mean outside of rallies in Nazi Germany?
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Brownbagger
February 19, 2010 3:06 PM
A beautiful Repugnican woman behaving beautifully.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/02/slideshow_cpac_day_2.php?ref=fpblg
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JNagarya
February 19, 2010 5:11 PM in reply to Brownbagger
Only when the women are attractive. Which includes: not bigots.
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freaktown
February 19, 2010 3:14 PM
terrorism is funny! especially if its terrorism directed at the united states government that these conservatives hate so much
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Brownbagger
February 19, 2010 3:35 PM in reply to freaktown
Ben detto. Discussion over. You nailed it.
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Ironicus
February 19, 2010 3:58 PM
Terminally self absorbed, irredeemably unempathic and incomprehensibly tone deaf. These are the elements of the true republican purity test.
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laffingby
February 19, 2010 4:19 PM
Babbin should change the name of the rag he edits to Inhuman Events. What an insensitive, inane remark.
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B.C.
February 19, 2010 4:30 PM
Being an independent contractor carries an extra responsibility when it comes to taxes. If you fail to calculate what you owe (simply because other jobs took it out of your check for you in the past) it can appear that the IRS is asking for too much come April 15th. Failing to pay it carries a penalty, duh!
Although I agree with his jabs at a system that favors corporate power over individual rights, I'm having a hard time finding sympathy for him.
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Brownbagger
February 19, 2010 5:08 PM in reply to B.C.
Hmmm. Once in a while, in an oyster of clever quips, there is a pearl of real information. Thanks.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
February 19, 2010 5:21 PM in reply to B.C.
True. But the guy was also clearly part of a longstanding movement of "Constitutionalist" tax cheats who think their "plain reading" of the Internal Revenue Code, Constitution and/or IRS regulations means they don't owe any taxes. These cranks, many of them people with actual law degrees, have been banging around the fringes of legal system, getting gullible zealots thrown into prison, since the 80s. They're ideologically aligned with the militia movement which is, of course, the intellectual wellspring of the Tea Party crowd.
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JNagarya
February 19, 2010 5:30 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
That's accurate except the anti-tax loons go further back, to at least the 1950s. And they are at minimum associated with those whose great-grandparents weren't paid, under the Constitution, for the "taking" of their property/slaves without compensation.
Who are, yes, aligned with the fake "militia" "movement," from which spring the "teabaggers".
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PDJ52
February 19, 2010 5:05 PM
Why is this story disappearing so quickly? Is it because this was a common person, neither right wing or left wing, only a man without a responsive government? Who's playing who here? I'm beginning to suspect both left and right. This guy had real concerns. I know because I'm a lung cancer survivor and my life has gone to hell since I contracted lung cancer in 2002. I think the only difference is I don't have a plane, or a desire to take anyone down with me. I'm content to just go quietly into that good night.
Peace!
PJ
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Brownbagger
February 19, 2010 5:12 PM in reply to PDJ52
Sorry, PJ. God bless, dude.
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JNagarya
February 19, 2010 5:24 PM in reply to PDJ52
"neither right wing or left wing,"
Anti-taxation is quintessentially RIGHT-wing. It's the Left -- remember? -- that is FOR taxation and a RESPONSIVE gov't.
"only a man without a responsive government?"
You base that on hearing only HIS side of the issue?
"Who's playing who here?"
He MURDERED a person, though he intended a MASS murder. And that puts him on the RIGHT side of the issue, because murder is justified?
"I'm beginning to suspect both left and right."
Are you left? Or right?
"This guy had real concerns."
You conclude that after hearing ONLY HIS side of the issue? And again endeavor to justify murder?
You know who has real concerns? The family of the innocent Federal employee's family. And Staxck's own widow and step-daughter.
When was the last time I so sympathy expressed for the murderer, with no expressed concern for the victim/s? Oh, yeah, right: when the far-right lunatic fringe praised Timothy McVeigh and said of the children and infants he murdered --
"Those weren't infancts. They were Feds."
And what has any of that to do with your allegedly having lung cancer?
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PDJ52
February 19, 2010 5:34 PM in reply to JNagarya
I know that I tried to use the "government" to help me. I was told by the American Cancer Society that all they did was give out wigs and bras. I was told by United Way they couldn't help me when I was broke because I still had my house. I was told by the EEOC I could sue for discrimination, but couldn't find a lawyer who would go up against the worlds largest private corporation.
I'm not justifying or condoning his actions. I'm only understanding what the depths of hopelessness can drive a person to do. I'm thankful I care more about others and am willing to go quietly.
This is your country Mr. rightful indignation. Live with it. I choose not to.
Peace!
Oh, by the way, I'm left wing and thought this guy was a tea bagger, but he's just like me, shat upon by people like you.
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JNagarya
February 19, 2010 6:59 PM in reply to PDJ52
"I know that I tried to use the "government" to help me. I was told by the American Cancer Society that all they did was give out wigs and bras."
Not gov't.
"I was told by United Way they couldn't help me when I was broke because I still had my house."
Not gov't.
"I was told by the EEOC I could sue for discrimination, but couldn't find a lawyer who would go up against the worlds largest private corporation."
And you think you're alone in that?
"I'm not justifying or condoning his actions. I'm only understanding what the depths of hopelessness can drive a person to do."
The "depths of hopelessness" can "drive" a person in any number of directions. Not all choose either to kill others, or to give up on themselves.
"Oh, by the way, I'm left wing and thought this guy was a tea bagger, but he's just like me, shat upon by people like you."
How did I shit on you? Opposing defense of a murderer who HAD NOT "lost it all": he didn't live in a slum, and burned his own house down. He certainly hadn't lost the plane with which he attempted to commit mass murder.
And -- how thoughtful and genius of him -- cost the taxpayer substantial monies either repairing or replacing the building as result of HIS wasting of taxpayer monies.
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porkbarrel
February 19, 2010 5:07 PM
Do you really have to say alleged perpetrator when the guy's body is in the wreckage and he has left a demented suicide note? Or do we need to get O.J. a furlough so he can find the real perpetrator?
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Brownbagger
February 19, 2010 5:10 PM in reply to porkbarrel
And suddenly, another pearl appears.
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JNagarya
February 19, 2010 5:32 PM in reply to porkbarrel
Yes, we must, because he was white.
Were he insufficently white he wouldn't have been allowed on a small private plane in the first place.
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Knothead Jake
February 19, 2010 5:10 PM
It's like he's jerking off onto the grave.
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Leftflank
February 19, 2010 5:21 PM
Beware the Lone Wolf, where have I heard this?
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strictscrutiny
February 19, 2010 5:36 PM
They Are Telling Us Something.
Yesterday, progressive writers were concerned about Joe Stack. They fretted that conservative commentators would use Stack's crime to malign the left. The worry was that Beck et. al. would cite Stack's anti-corporate critique as evidence of leftist terrorism. Interestingly, however, conservatives have launched no such attack.
Given our current atmosphere of 24/7-total-partisanship-attack mode, I wonder why conservatives have been so muted on the subject of Joe Stack.
Scott Brown even struck an apologetic tone when asked about Stack, stating essentially that he knows lots of folks who are upset about taxes. Now Babbin reflexively associates Stack's manifesto with Norquist's theories. Even Beck used his program to lecture against "revolutionary" rhetoric in politics! I sense that conservatives recognized their own populist rabble-rousing in Stack's rant. In fact, they recognized it so strongly that their attack button has been entirely defused.
In a rare moment, Republicans have gone on the defensive, even before their opponents had a chance to fire a warning shot. They are telling us something. Some of these Republicans are looking at Joe Stack and seeing their own constituency.
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Ironcomments
February 19, 2010 5:36 PM
Again, "the vast liberal media" allowing this type of story to die. Nor asking any real insightful questions such as: Why isn't Stack considered a terrorist? Or that these and other recent events such as armed men at political rallies aren't considered terrorist. However anyone with a non-anglo name or has a slight pigment to their skin that is the first thing the media jumps on. How different this story would be and how much coverage it would get if this was a non-white.
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Mycos
February 19, 2010 6:26 PM
I too was quite surprised by his willingness to place blame at the foot of corporations whose greed and influence peddling as key components of his own and the US's downfall. Conservatives overwhelmingly believe in the ability of the marketplace to lead us toward the best solutions to a given social problem. So his attack on business suggests he may not fit into the conservative mold as cleanly as I thought upon first hearing of his crash. Indeed there was a surprising number of grievances he had that echoed the things that I and many other left-liberal sorts came to identify as corrosive influences in a society.
In any case, that conservatives are much more fearful of hidden threats, more hostile and willing to do great harm to people they see as existing on societies margins (drug addicts, homosexuals, blacks, Mexicans...Jews during the last century)is a debate that was settled decades ago as well. Outside the sociological circles long familiar with Adorno thru Altemeyer's empirical findings revealing who it is that is most disposed to using terrorism to gain political ends (conservatives). Ironically enough, the news media they believe is left biased happens to also be the one that refrains from mentioning such findings due a fear of alienating a substantial portion of the buying public. This allows a dysfunctional personality "quirk" to pose as a well-thought out ideological choice they may have made rather than their being identified as the dysfunctional individuals they really are. They are the result of what happens when we fail to fully pass out of the highly authoritarian worldview we all have as small children dependent on adults for everything.
Some quotes typical of our understanding of of the RWA-SDO "embrace": "Conservatism is not the doctrine of the intellectual elite or of the more intelligent segments of the population, but the reverse. By every measure available to us, conservative beliefs are found most frequently among the uninformed, the poorly educated, and the less intelligent" (p. 38).
"It appears that conservatism has pathological dimensions manifested in violence and distorted psycho-sexual development" (Boshier, 1983, p. 159). This is supported by a study conducted by Walker, Rowe, and Quincey (1993) in which there was a direct correlation between authoritarianism and sexually aggressive behavior. An investigation done by Muehlenhard (1988) revealed that rape justification and aggression toward subordinate individuals was much higher in traditional (conservative personality) than non-traditional personalities. It is postulated in this paper that the offender has a conservative personality and, therefore, manifests that violence." http://www.doc.state.ok.us/offenders/ocjrc/95/950725C.htm
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fiddlecraig
February 19, 2010 8:52 PM
Since when is intentionally flying an airplane into a building because of your ideology not terrorism?
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Heraldblog
February 19, 2010 9:38 PM
"What does the IRS stand for? Inflammable Revenue Service!"
*rimshot
"Hey! I'll be here all week. Try the veal!"
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vvdinko
February 20, 2010 12:19 AM
Wow, you have to admit that is pretty funny!
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Tosh
June 6, 2010 9:34 AM
GOP are really one or two steps away from this kind of thing.
Remember the 1990s? When you had Liddy talking about "head shots" to ATF agents, and then McVeigh blows up a federal building.
GOP are once again flirting with and sympathizing with domestic terrorism.
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