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Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) is putting forward a very daring proposal for how to fix Social Security and Medicare, Think Progress reports: Get rid of them.

Bachmann spoke this past weekend at the right-wing Constitutional Coalition in St. Louis, Missouri, and put forth her plan. "So, what you have to do, is keep faith with the people that are already in the system, that don't have any other options, we have to keep faith with them. But basically what we have to do is wean everybody else off," said Bachmann. "And wean everybody off because we have to take those unfunded net liabilities off our bank sheet, we can't do it. So we just have to be straight with people. So basically, whoever our nominee is, is going to have to have a Glenn Beck chalkboard and explain to everybody this is the way it is."

It certainly is interesting to see a Republican not talk in any euphemistic terms about personal accounts, or about saving the system, etc., but to openly admit that the goal is to no longer provide the social benefits themselves, and to transition away from them.

Currently, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) has presented an alternative budget roadmap that would privatize Social Security and Medicare, replacing the latter with private vouchers. So far, nine Republicans including Rep. Roscoe Bartlett (R-MD), Rep. Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) and Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX) have signed on to co-sponsor Ryan's budget roadmap. Bachmann is not a co-sponsor of the Ryan plan -- she in fact goes much further, by apparently wanting to abolish the program entirely.

It will be a very good question, to see just how many other Republicans are willing to talk like this during the mid-terms -- and also how actively the Democrats will use Bachmann's plan as a political tool against the GOP.

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February 9, 2010 10:37 AM   

Note to Democrat operatives: convince the nation that Bachmann is the face of the Republican party...

I really think she should try for the Republican nomination for President in the 2012 election.

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February 9, 2010 6:36 PM    in reply to cambridgeMR

Michele Bachmann is a beautiful, sensual, seductive woman. Who can argue with that?

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February 9, 2010 10:43 AM   

THIS is so cool
More, please!

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February 9, 2010 10:44 AM   

Please Michele, keep talking like this! The more you do, the more optimism I've got about Democrats' political future.

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February 9, 2010 10:46 AM   

Just wondering.. Do Dems have a plan of their own for tackling the 3rd rail of politics? Or are they just gonna stick with the tried and true tactic of scaring up the old folks.

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February 9, 2010 10:51 AM    in reply to BKinDaHouse

The Dems are already taking on a huge debt issue--healthcare reform--and getting beaten up for taking it seriously.

It's time to beat up the Republicans for their plans. There is no need to dissemble or exaggerate. Just repeat, repeat, repeat that the Republicans want to take back Congress in order to put your Social Security on the stock market and give Medicare back to for-profit insurance companies. This is what they openly advocate.

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February 9, 2010 10:58 AM    in reply to mrut

Absolutely.
Can you fathom what the private insurance premium would be on an 80 year old? If they could get approved at all, that is.
Heck even people who have significant retirement savings would be pretty unhappy at having to fork out a couple grand a month for private insurance. The vouchers wouldn't come close to covering the cost.


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February 9, 2010 12:40 PM    in reply to Kristin126

This has nothing to do with Dems scaring anyone or having their own plan. What should be satisfying for Dems is that the Repubs in their arrogance are showing their true feelings in regards to how they would run the country if they could. If the Dems would use the Repub playbook and make sure these things were broadcasted loudly so that people knew what Bachman and her buddies were planning, the Dem majority in both houses would expand greatly. Bachman would be a Fox News nanny again.

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February 9, 2010 11:29 AM    in reply to BKinDaHouse

Actually, the real 3rd rail has a one ton gorilla guarding the power switch: the defense budget. That's one budget that no politician has either the integrity or the balls to tackle.

If you want to see what's really bleeding America dry, check the military/industrial complex's waistline.

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February 9, 2010 12:24 PM    in reply to Schmed

the pentagon IS the largest and most wasteful entitlement program in the budget

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February 9, 2010 11:44 AM    in reply to BKinDaHouse

For Social Security, the best thing we can do long-term (and I'm talking beyond just the next few years) is get the overall budget deficit under control (you know, like it was before Bush's tax cuts) so we can run deficits if necessary to fund SS for the boomer bulge. Nobody minded running deficits for everything else under Bush, so why can't we run managable deficits to fund the SS benefits that people have been paying in for for decades?

Medicare is the real budget-buster. To deal with that, we need health-care reform, for starters. Even with that, there will still be tough choices down the road. Higher taxes would help, but what Republican other than the likes of the exiled Bruce Bartlett is willing to contemplate that?

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February 9, 2010 4:16 PM    in reply to Ann Arbor

I think Obama tried to drive that point home much to the chagrin of the progressives, who could only see a public option or single payer as the be all to end all. If we do not get health care costs which are now almost 20% of the debt, we would have accomplished something real and that is why Obama kept saying that the public option wasn't the only thing health reform was about but the progs didn't want to hear it.


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February 9, 2010 12:13 PM    in reply to BKinDaHouse

Yes.

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February 9, 2010 12:29 PM    in reply to BKinDaHouse

Yeah. Pretty simple fix. Obama talked about it throughout the campaign.

People currently don't pay Social Security on income over 97,500. Leave income between 97,500K and 250K exempt from Social Security tax, phase the tax back in on income over 250K and you've got a solvent Social Security fund again.

Problem is, the idea that people who earn over 250K should have to pay taxes makes tiny Republican brains explode in outrage so, instead, they reach for Underpants Gnome "solutions." ("Step 1. Steal underpants. Step 2. . . . Step 3. Profit!")

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February 9, 2010 12:46 PM    in reply to BKinDaHouse

There was serious plan to fix SS passed in 1983 that, anticipating the boomers, would create a surplus ahead of time. G.W. inherited it and gave it away as tax relief for rich people. (Gore wanted it a lock box but was ridiculed for the suggestion) The solution is straight forward. Tax rich people and get it back.

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February 9, 2010 1:01 PM    in reply to BKinDaHouse

Stick with the tried and true, I hope, since change frightens and confuses us.

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February 9, 2010 1:45 PM    in reply to BKinDaHouse

Or are they just gonna stick with the tried and true tactic of scaring up the old folks.

Why should Republicans get to have all the fun?

The real question is whether the Dems can come up with something as punchy as "death panels".

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February 9, 2010 10:54 AM   

The Dems will swing and miss at this goof ball like they do at every other. They really are capable of screwing up a free lunch.

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February 9, 2010 10:57 AM   

Now I'm confused. The teabaggers say "keep your hands off my Medicare" and Bachmann says get rid of Medicare. Who's for what?

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February 9, 2010 10:59 AM    in reply to Dabb

They're tea partiers--consistency is unnecessary.

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February 9, 2010 11:23 AM    in reply to Kristin126

I'd usually have to agree but i do begin to wonder if there isn't a threshold at some point. I mean, all these internal contradictions do have to hurt their heads or something...

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February 9, 2010 11:34 AM    in reply to Given Up

The Pachycephalosaurus Republicanus has a really tough head that is probably immune to pain.

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February 9, 2010 1:47 PM    in reply to Given Up

all these internal contradictions do have to hurt their heads or something...

That's why they have Glenn Beck -- to explain to them that it all actually makes perfect sense.

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February 9, 2010 4:19 PM    in reply to Given Up

Then they blame their pain on Obama. See how it all fits together now?

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February 9, 2010 11:23 AM    in reply to Kristin126

Exactly

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February 9, 2010 11:08 AM   

Don't suggest that the likes of Palin and Bachmann should go for and get the Republican nomination for President because they are so far out there that the ridicule and trouble they would cause for the Republican part would be fun to watch. Too many people get charged up listening to them and believe what they have to say, then cast votes. We can't risk people like them affecting the outcome of critical elections, or even souring the public discourse of issues such as health care reform, taxes, and Social Security. They have to be marginalized and driven from public discourse. Their access to the public airing of their opinions is a danger.

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February 9, 2010 11:23 AM   

Let's take a vote!!!!

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February 9, 2010 11:29 AM   

Despite the fury of lamestream media, and in opposition to liberal elite opinion, Michele Bachmann's supporters are openly straight. Such courage is commendable.

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February 9, 2010 11:47 AM    in reply to Sailormarlowe

Of course they're straight; no self-respecting gay person would support Michele Bachman. Oh, and lamestream media? Really?

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February 9, 2010 12:28 PM    in reply to twoviragos

Sailorboy is very stupid. He thinks Sarah Palin is a military position. So all you can expect from him is blathering and nonsense.

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February 9, 2010 12:31 PM    in reply to farnsworth

I still go with lame-ass performance artist with an ill-advised NEA grant for his breathtakingly innovative concept of blog trolling as art.

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February 9, 2010 11:36 AM   

How does she feel about weaning everybody off of farm subsidies?

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February 9, 2010 11:59 AM    in reply to cwnidog

She's for it, I'd guess, as long as we "keep faith" with the farmers.

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February 9, 2010 12:48 PM    in reply to tamiasmin

and exempting the Bachman family 'farm'.

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February 9, 2010 12:13 PM   

dog whistle! dog whistle! Let's wean "everybody" off Social Security and Medicare...you know-like those "welfare queens".

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February 9, 2010 12:13 PM   

"Keep faith with the people that are already in the system."

What about people who have been paying SS taxes but not yet started receiving benefits? Aren't they already "in the system"? If you plan to exclude them, good luck! You'll be delivering just about every baby boomer vote -- all 70 million -- to the Democrats.

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February 9, 2010 1:04 PM    in reply to Ann Arbor

What about people who have been paying SS taxes but not yet started receiving benefits? Aren't they already "in the system"?

Don't go asking trick questions. You'll make Bachmann's tinfoil hat fly off...

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February 9, 2010 12:24 PM   

Hmmmmm . . . so the Dems now at least have a chance at picking off a Republican incumbent in a Republican leaning district this year.

On a related note, the thing that gets me is how all sides of the entitlement debate in Washington lump Social Security and Medicare together. It's ridiculous. Social Security is one of the slowest growing parts of the federal budget. Medicare is the fastest growing major item. They could leave Social Security alone, and, apart from some cash flow problems during the 2030s if they don't repay what they've looted from it (i.e. they might have to skip a few COLA adjustments at that time), they won't have a problem as things stabilize thereafter when the Baby Bust generation hits retirement.

On the other hand, if they leave Medicare alone, the entity we call the United States will cease to exist as a sovereign nation.

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February 9, 2010 12:33 PM   

Hey MEEchele, why don't you take the initiative and cut out all the government provided perks you guys get. Let's start with your government funded healthcare. Sounds like you should put your money where your BIG mouth is.

Coming up, the sounds of crickets chirping....

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February 9, 2010 12:33 PM   

The real benefit of Scott Brown's victory in Mass: the real/true/full agenda of the GOP/TeaBag is being tempted, taunted out into the full light of day, and like an adder being lured form it's hole, it will find the shovel of truth awaiting to lop off it's head.

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February 9, 2010 1:04 PM   

Actually I would love to see Palin/Bachmann elected in 2012. It would provide 4-8 years of comedy gold, and hopefully have the positive side effect of finally killing off the GOP forever. I mean I thought Bush/Cheney was bad, but they can't hold a candle to those two.

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February 9, 2010 1:12 PM   

But then I already have a house and 2 cars and a bank account and a job, so maybe I'm not the best person to ask...

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February 9, 2010 1:12 PM   

What we have here is a teachable moment. This would be a good time for someone, possibly one of Michele's opponents, to explain why we have Social Security.

They could describe what the country went through in the 30s, how so many people ended up with absolutely nothing when the stock market took a dive. They could explain to people, whether or not Bachmann is capable of understanding it, how Social Security is a safety net, that it's insurance as opposed to an investment.

I realize that the Republicans hate the idea of a government that watches out for its citizens, even to the point of protecting them from their own bad choices sometimes. But, if we had another depression and Social Security wasn't available to provide at least a meager fixed income for a lot of Americans, well-to-do Republicans wouldn't be able to build walls high enough around their gated communities to fend off the starving masses. Republicans have no foresight and they can't see that, so Social Security is actually a way of saving rich people from the consequences of their own bad choices, too.

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February 9, 2010 2:07 PM    in reply to chimpale

I've tried to make this point a few times in comments here. Without government to level the playing field, there is an end-game to capitalism. That end-game is revolution (at best peaceful, but most likely violent) and a drastic change in the status-quo.

To those who would see our government dismantled for a bit of personal short-term gain: think of your children and grandchildren. All the money in the world won't help them when the peasants come with torches and pitchforks.

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February 9, 2010 3:14 PM   

I have a better idea. Find a part of the US that no one cares about, round up all the right wing wackos, transport them there, and forget about them. The average IQ for the rest of us will rise by 50 points, and it will be much more peaceful.

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February 9, 2010 4:18 PM    in reply to rbe1

In other words, lock them up and throw away the key. Works for me. I had something a little more permanent in mind!!!

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February 9, 2010 3:22 PM   

You are welcome to wean me off of them as soon as you repay me what I've put into the system.

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February 9, 2010 4:42 PM   

She's not quite as plain spoken as Chuck Grassley in describing government benefits in a derogatory sense.

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June 6, 2010 9:47 AM   

Or are they just gonna stick with the tried and true tactic of scaring up the old folks.

Why should Republicans get to have all the fun?

The real question is whether the Dems can come up with something as punchy as "death panels".

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