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Boehner Distances Republicans From Ryan Budget...But He Can't Name A Single Objection
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House Republicans are at pains to point out that a far-reaching budget roadmap unveiled by their top budget guy, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI), isn't their budget, but when asked today at a press conference what about Ryan's budget he disagreed with, Minority Leader John Boehner couldn't name anything.
"Off the top of my head, I couldn't tell you," Boehner said.
Despite the apparent lack of substantive disagreement, though, Boehner wants to keep the Ryan plan from sticking to the GOP.
"Paul Ryan, who's the ranking member on our budget committee, has done an awful lot of work in putting together his roadmap," Boehner said. "But it's his. And I know the Democrats are trying to say that it's the Republican leadership. But they know that's not the case."
Ryan's detailed long-term budget roadmap has awakened Democrats, who are beginning to make political hay of his proposal's call for privatizing and slashing Social Security and Medicare benefits. It's a tough spot the Republicans have been trying to avoid. On the one hand, touting that they have a deficit reduction plan better than President Obama's. On the other hand, being careful not to hitch themselves to a plan full of politically unpopular cuts in the middle of an election year.
Earlier, in a brief interview, Ryan told TPMDC that though his proposal is his and his alone--and that it's a different beast from the Republicans annual alternative budget--Republican leaders have been very supportive of his efforts.
"There is never a good time politically to put something like this out there," Ryan said.
"The [annual] budget is more of a nuts and bolts 10-year document that's a consensus document," Ryan told me. "I just wrote this bill on my own, so it's not a consensus thing. It's my fiscal plan."
So GOP leadership has been supportive of your proposal?
"Absolutely," Ryan insisted. "If you look at the budget I put out last year, it had similarities. The whole idea was to get a grip on spending, keep taxes low, and get our fiscal trajectory going in the right direction."
There are major differences between the Republicans 2009 alternative budget and the legislation Ryan unveiled recently. Thus, he says, "when you get to the details, that's where good, honest people have differences of opinion."
Those differences will manifest themselves in the actual Republican budget proposal--an alternatives to the plan the White House unveiled earlier this week--which will be reflective of the GOP consensus. If the House GOP's official budget from last year is any indication, this year's version will be short on details in the hopes of avoiding the politically uncomfortable questions that go with making tough fiscal choices.
That budget won't be seen for at least a month. A GOP budget aide detailed for us the lengthy process. First, Republicans wait for the president's budget to be scored by the Congressional Budget Office, which takes about six weeks. Then they craft an alternative, which won't get a hearing or markup in committee. Instead, they can offer it on the House floor when the Democrats put their own budget up for the vote.
The general timeline for that is sometime in late March or early April.
The aide told us, "The Republican budget has to be reflective of the Republican conference obviously and it will be distinct from Ryan's roadmap. That was Ryan's plan."
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
February 4, 2010 2:06 PM
Good god. The Republicans under Gingrich in '94, with their vapid, warmed over Reaganisms, were veritable policy wonks compared to these empty-headed morons. They've got nothing. It fills me with dispair to think they could be poised for gains.
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Steve LaBonne
February 4, 2010 2:12 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Well, when times are rough and your opponents are ALSO largely a collection of empty suits...
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FreeRider
February 4, 2010 2:27 PM in reply to Steve LaBonne
Your charge is that the Democrats are empty suits who have no ideas?
You and Bluebell. Don't let the facts get in the way of your efforts to trash the Democrats. Don't let your prior claims interfere with whatever you need to say to today.
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Steve LaBonne
February 4, 2010 2:50 PM in reply to FreeRider
Facts? The facts are that the rot in the Democratic party is so advanced that Boehner and his fellow low-grade morons ARE in fact poised to make huge gains. Try facing THAT fact for what it is- a massive indictment of the uselessness of the Democratic Party, which when it gets into power has no idea what to do with that power.
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trblmkr
February 4, 2010 2:53 PM in reply to Steve LaBonne
Define HUGE. It's a long way to November. I might just take you up on that ($$).
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Steve LaBonne
February 4, 2010 2:59 PM in reply to trblmkr
I'd be happy to lose that bet. I only wish I believed that I will.
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trblmkr
February 4, 2010 4:44 PM in reply to Steve LaBonne
Well, then quantify your prediction and I'll give you odds. If you accept terms and I lose I'll pay through paypal.
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FreeRider
February 4, 2010 3:12 PM in reply to Steve LaBonne
Being rotten and being an empty suit are two entirely different things.
Claiming that the Democrats are empty suits who have no ideas for governing and advancing the country is absurd. They need some serious help on the execution but claiming that Democrats are empty suits is just stupid.
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Steve LaBonne
February 4, 2010 3:21 PM in reply to FreeRider
There are of course individual Dems with good ideas (my junior Senator whom I hold in considerable esteem, Sherrod Brown, has plenty.) There are also plenty of Dems roughly as stupid and corrupt as Boehner (I just listed some of the more prominent of those). The latter group mostly calls the shots, and as a result the party as a whole stands for little and accomplishes still less. THAT is how you can manage to lose to the likes of Bonehead. And it's pretty goddamned pathetic.
The first step in fixing a problem is admitting you have one. Too many overly-loyal Democrats are still not willing to take that step. The party suffers for that and the country will suffer even more. Just making fun of Republicans will get you precisely nowhere. They'll laugh right back at you on their way back to power.
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FreeRider
February 4, 2010 3:33 PM in reply to Steve LaBonne
FACT: EVERY social and economic advancement in the last 100 years has come from Democrats. Child labor laws, minimum wage, collective bargaining, social security, desegregation, civil rights, voting rights, affirmative action, gay rights, medicare, medicaid, family leave, COBRA, pay equity, stem cell funding, environmental protections.
Only the Democrats have ever balanced the budget.
Claiming the party is just empty suits is stupid and you know it. Admit you goofed while trying to be snarky and quick-witted and STFU.
The Democratic party has a problem with execution and making the Republicans look bad. They are nothing close to being empty suits.
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Steve LaBonne
February 4, 2010 3:37 PM in reply to FreeRider
I'm sure that will give you great comfort as you contemplate massive Democratic losses this fall, just 2 years after they gained the White House and their biggest congressional majorities in a long time. Yup, what a highly functional party.
As I said, the first step in fixing a problem is admitting you have one. People like you actually do a great disservice to the party.
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FreeRider
February 4, 2010 4:02 PM in reply to Steve LaBonne
If you really believe they're empty suits, why are you pissing yourself at the thought that they might lose?
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richard f
February 4, 2010 4:18 PM in reply to FreeRider
FACT: EVERY social and economic advancement in the last 100 years has come from Democrats. Child labor laws, minimum wage, collective bargaining, social security, desegregation, civil rights, voting rights, affirmative action, gay rights, medicare, medicaid, family leave, COBRA, pay equity, stem cell funding, environmental protections.
A little overstated. The Civil Rights Bill of 1964, certainly the most important civil rights legislation of the twentieith century, was proposed by a Democrat but supported by more Republicans than Democrats (21 Democrats in the Senate voted against it, only six REpublicans)
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FreeRider
February 4, 2010 4:24 PM in reply to richard f
YOU LIE! 46 Democrats and 27 Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Bill. Is there some new math where 27 is greater than 46?
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truth > spin
February 4, 2010 10:39 PM in reply to FreeRider
Good lord, this just goes to show how numbers and "FACTS" get abused. You are both right.
The Senate version, which became the final version of the Civil Rights Act, was voted on as follows:
* Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
* Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)
So yes, more Democrats voted for it than Republicans ( 46 is > 27), but it is also true that more Democrats voted against it than Republicans (21 is > 6). As a whole, Republicans supported it in greater proportions than Democrats (82% is > 69%).
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FreeRider
February 4, 2010 11:00 PM in reply to truth > spin
He said it was SUPPORTED by more republicans than democrats. That is an outright lie. Your efforts to change the parameters of the debate can't bend facts.
Fewer Republicans OPPOSED the bill than Democrats. But MORE Democrats SUPPORTED it.
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acf_ma
February 4, 2010 4:37 PM in reply to Steve LaBonne
Where was a similar admission when we were being driven into this mess? The Democrats can't seem to drive the bus and get any legislation passed when Republicans really don't want them to. OTOH, the Republicans, after their performance during the Bush years, have shown themselves to be uninterested in the common good of the country, especially where it concerned deficit spending. Now, that they have lost control of Congress, all of a sudden they have discovered the religion of controlling spending? More accurately, they just don't like who and what money is being spent on, and who has the say on it. For them to use the cry of having to turn back the country from thew wrong direction it is going in is a farce, given where they directed it just a short year ago. Talk to me during the next presidential election, not now.
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skitzo
February 4, 2010 9:04 PM in reply to Steve LaBonne
There is a difference between "rot" and lack of spine.
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Max Thrax
February 4, 2010 3:21 PM in reply to FreeRider
Democrats have ideas. They have no balls is the problem.
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FreeRider
February 4, 2010 3:35 PM in reply to Max Thrax
And your problem is you're a liar. Are you a Democrat or a Green?
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benny 4 facts
February 4, 2010 4:11 PM in reply to Max Thrax
I am supper dupper yellow dog Democrat and I agree with you the Dem's have no balls and that has created a very big problem. Who to vote for. Me I'm sticking with the Dems because they are the no balls group I am accustom to.
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FreeRider
February 4, 2010 4:25 PM in reply to benny 4 facts
LOL! The devil you know.
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trblmkr
February 4, 2010 2:29 PM in reply to Steve LaBonne
...and LaBonne confirms NCSteve...
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Steve LaBonne
February 4, 2010 2:42 PM in reply to trblmkr
OK, then. Your assignment is to give some actual examples of bright ideas offered by the likes of Evan Bayh, Mary Landrieu, Blanche Lincoln, Ben Nelson, Kent Conrad, DiFi...
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trblmkr
February 4, 2010 2:52 PM in reply to Steve LaBonne
DINOs. I dunno, how to get moron 'independents' to vote for them time after time.
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Schmed
February 4, 2010 3:00 PM in reply to trblmkr
Maybe this might help you get over your mindlock on "moron 'independents'". Maybe not. How's your reading comprehension?
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trblmkr
February 4, 2010 4:42 PM in reply to Schmed
read carefully. quotation marks around 'independents' only, not 'moron independents'. Thus, not calling all independents morons. How's YOUR reading comprehension?
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Schmed
February 4, 2010 4:56 PM in reply to trblmkr
I read carefully. The single quote is insufficient to convey the context that might give the hidden intrinsic value you seem to think that the adjective has. It's your burden to communicate your thoughts clearly, not mine to guess what you mean.
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trblmkr
February 4, 2010 4:52 PM in reply to Schmed
Read your blog, I think you are my type of independent (both parties too corporate, GOP and GOP Lite). I've still kept my Democratic affiliation and, i guess, you haven't. That's not a huge difference.
The 'morons' I was referring to are in between the Dems and Repugs and vacillate back and forth depending on whose ad they saw last. THOSE moron independents.
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Schmed
February 4, 2010 4:57 PM in reply to trblmkr
Okay, that's a lot more clear. Thanks.
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FreeRider
February 4, 2010 3:36 PM in reply to Steve LaBonne
Because, as we all know, those are the only Democrats in Congress.
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Steve LaBonne
February 4, 2010 3:40 PM in reply to FreeRider
It's been demonstrated over and over again this past year that they're only ones that matter, as long as there aren't 50 Senators with the guts to nuke the filibuster. Soon enough even the majority will be gone and the Dems can resume their customary posture as irrelevant losers, which evidently is their comfort zone.
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FreeRider
February 4, 2010 4:06 PM in reply to Steve LaBonne
50 Senators can nuke the filibuster? That's your new math talking.
LaBonne, your penchant for creating your own facts is legendary. Remember when you said the Democrats NEVER filibustered ANWR--until I proved that they did. Then you said "well, six months before they filibustered it, they didn't filibuster it."
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Lestatdelc
February 4, 2010 4:10 PM in reply to Steve LaBonne
Irony writ large.
I posit the biggest empty suit around here are lying frauds who claim first to be a Democrat then in the space of a close to 3 hours later claim to be a Green:
Then a short while later...
Better start checking for combustion of your leg garments.
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FreeRider
February 4, 2010 4:19 PM in reply to Lestatdelc
It's amazing how quickly they'll implode if they just keep talking, ain't it?!
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Lestatdelc
February 4, 2010 4:19 PM in reply to Lestatdelc
Opps. That was supposed to be in reply to Max Thrax up-thread.
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Humpback
February 4, 2010 2:14 PM
GOP timeline--Wait for the President to offer a budget, wait for the Democrats to critique it and change it, wait for the press to pick it apart, wait for the analysts to point out its weak points, draft something on the back of an envelope that says "lower taxes", say "No".
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docrocktex
February 4, 2010 2:40 PM in reply to Humpback
Rinse and repeat...
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Cal Gal
February 4, 2010 2:15 PM
But as there were 19 pages in their entire plan for America (not including the cover sheet, the table of contents and the page at the back "intentionally left blank" as shown by Colbert), the budget part should be, what, 15 pages max?
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dem4life
February 4, 2010 3:17 PM in reply to Cal Gal
and why do we keep listening to the filthy goopers.
each thing they put forward has nothing in it.
One big bunch of clowns
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georgecs
February 4, 2010 2:16 PM
Translated - "I don't like that Ryan's budget could cost me my cushy job, but I'm not enough of a man to come out and say so."
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expat46
February 4, 2010 2:22 PM
Another opportunity for Harry Reid to bash them over the head. Demand they submit their alternate budget with some bipartisan "We welcome your ideas" type rhetoric and then send them both to the CBO simultaneously.
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rbeats
February 4, 2010 2:42 PM
How did pumpkin face ever rise to the leadership job in the first place?
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bibimimi
February 4, 2010 2:50 PM
Not the least bit sober.
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johnny b
February 4, 2010 3:00 PM
Just wait. All of you are going to be left scratching your heads when the TEA Party movement goes twice as hard after the Republicans. We've got gloves on now because of the way this President has wrapped himself in "sacred cow" issues. Maybe then you'll see passed the lies that have been sold to you by the government media complex and realize that the new conservative movement is nothing like that of the neo-cons. Maybe you'll join us?
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Schmed
February 4, 2010 3:04 PM in reply to johnny b
government media complex
Since when did GE, Fox, Disney, et cetera become the government? The SC decision opened up the floodgates, but the name on the mailbox still says "United States of America," not "Corporate States of America."
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Matt Jones
February 4, 2010 3:12 PM in reply to johnny b
Yeah - we'll buy that the day that every teabagger doesn't jizz a little every time Sarah Palin talks.
And hating her because she's "not conservative enough" doesn't count.
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Max Thrax
February 4, 2010 3:20 PM in reply to johnny b
Not a chance hillbilly.
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jim43
February 4, 2010 3:13 PM
There is no argument with the fact that Republicans in control of Congress will mean cuts to Medicare, the elimination of Social Security and even bigger deficits via tax cuts.
http://www.political-buzz.com/
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Economides
February 4, 2010 3:33 PM in reply to jim43
No, in fact they cannot do those things even with power, because the American people are deeply against it. Were you abroad during the previous administration? This is 100% political rhetoric. They are peacocks, through and through. More like just cocks.
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truth > spin
February 4, 2010 10:45 PM in reply to jim43
No argument with the "FACT", except of course the evidence that while the Republicans were in charge they did nothing of the sort. Medicare was expanded by its greatest level since the program began (the drug benefit) and Social Security continues to chug along on its way to its date with insolvency.
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dem4life
February 4, 2010 3:14 PM
Bone head is a bona
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dem4life
February 4, 2010 3:19 PM
low arse gop
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JohnMcCSF
February 4, 2010 3:32 PM
Josh thinks the House Dems should start the silly season early in the House....can't hurt, won't matter much but can't hurt...
Here's an idea...when the Budget Resolution comes up for a vote in the House, clear the Rules for the Ryan Subsitute....if they don't bring it to the Floor..collar a Blue Dog to do it
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dem4life
February 4, 2010 3:45 PM
Boehner is a orange man....omfg is he the only face for the grange ole racist party.
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George TheShrubber
February 4, 2010 3:54 PM
Does Boner's (non-existant) HRC plan cover tanning booth visits? The last thing Boner wants is for someone in his party to propose anything. The goons have been dispatched to Ryan's office to have a 'talk' with his knees. If the DEMS plan is 2K+ pages, and the GOOPers sticky-note plan is 1 page, i'm going with the GOOPers. Specifics bore.
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mans_best_friend
February 4, 2010 4:27 PM
Please, please, PLEASE stop everything the moment the Republicans announce their plan and bring it to the floor for an immediate vote. I want to see all the Republicans lining up to vote to slash Social Security and Medicare.
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MyMy
February 4, 2010 4:35 PM
Just proves that Republicans are reflexively disagreeable.
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Aljstl
February 4, 2010 4:58 PM
When your knowledge of the issues is limited to bumper stickers and tea party signs, what do you expect?
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kgb999
February 4, 2010 5:03 PM
So. This pretty much means the Republicans are still without a plan?
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SavannahGA
February 4, 2010 5:46 PM
Y'know, back a good long while ago when I first came here to TPM to read and then later post a few comments (on recommendation from not-even-thinking-to-run-for-Senator-yet Al Franken) wingnut trolls, paid or otherwise, were non-existent.
I feel like Methuselah saying that.
Josh and crew, you must be doing it right.
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Leftflank
February 5, 2010 12:41 PM
Boeners' main objection is that he is asked to go on the record about his objections or lack there of. He's way more into the wait to see what the real government comes up with, then dissect it & stand against it method. At least another year in his fat city job. That's his "best" budget idea, cutting down on the ideas.
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