
During a CPAC segment to recognize student conservative activists from across the country, one particular conservative, Ryan Sorba of the California Young Americans for Freedom, denounced CPAC for allowing the gay conservative group GOProud to co-sponsor the event and host a booth. After finishing his short speech against homosexuality as being contrary to the concept of natural rights -- amidst booing from the crowd -- he walked off the stage.
"Just to change the subject for just a second, I'd like to condemn CPAC for bringing GOPride (sic) to this event," said Sorba. The young activist crowd erupted into booing, but Sorbs continued. "Bring it. Bring it. I love it. I love it. I love it.
"Guess what? Guess what? All right, guess what? Civil rights are grounded in natural rights," said Sorba. "Natural rights are grounded in human nature. Human nature is a rational substance in relationship. The intelligible end of the reproductive act is reproduction. Do you understand that? Civil rights, when they conflict with natural rights, are contrary -- hey, you sit down. The lesbians at Smith College protest better than you do. The lesbians at Smith College protest than you do. All right? Bring it."
Maritza
February 19, 2010 5:40 PM
Doesn't sound like the GOP is a big tent after all.
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JEP07
February 20, 2010 12:05 AM in reply to Maritza
Pup tent.
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datglster
February 19, 2010 5:47 PM
Sorba looks like he gets his tan out of the same can as Boehner does !! Must influence his brain tissue in a negative way!!
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Matt Jones
February 19, 2010 6:10 PM
You'd think the GOProud crowd would figure out they weren't wanted when they saw "Fag Drag: 10pm" on the CPAC itinerary, but some people are dense. They'd probably be proudly defending their conservative beliefs while President-for-life Palin was shutting the gas chamber door.
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joejustice
February 19, 2010 6:10 PM
The ban marriage for anyone who cannot reproduce. Problem solved.
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keldog
February 24, 2010 9:59 AM in reply to joejustice
I guess this guy's partner is pregnant after every session of love making. He either has one hell of a lot of kids, or very little sex in his life. A T-bagger wing-nut for sure. Closet gay? Quite pssibly.
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Alex39
February 19, 2010 6:15 PM
I give the crowd a little credit for booing. It's good to see that this argument can get booed even at CPAC.
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Icon
February 19, 2010 8:14 PM in reply to Alex39
Hear hear!
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Michael Lafferty
February 19, 2010 6:17 PM
Fake tan aside, he's just to damned 'pretty' to be much more than 80% straight.
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Macnut222
February 19, 2010 9:34 PM in reply to Michael Lafferty
I say 100% closet case. Expect a "wide stance" story with this schmuck in the near future.
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Rainyday
February 20, 2010 1:23 PM in reply to Macnut222
Right.... it is widely known in psych circles that HOMOPHOBES are, at the very least, closet BI.
(and I do not mean to denigrate bis... In fact, more need to be educated that is is a very normal life status.. and consider they are lucky, they literally could fall in love with anyone.)
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Rainyday
February 20, 2010 1:24 PM in reply to Macnut222
Right.... it is widely known in psych circles that HOMOPHOBES are, at the very least, closet BI.
(and I do not mean to denigrate bis... In fact, more need to be educated that is is a very normal life status.. and consider they are lucky, they literally could fall in love with anyone.)
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ceeusbeeus
February 21, 2010 2:15 PM in reply to Michael Lafferty
The shaped eyebrows give him away, but the tan thing? Well, he is from California (I'm a native who lives in San Diego) and people would be surprised how many men, of all stripes, use the fake tan. Even have booths in their homes!
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Emilia1956
February 19, 2010 6:23 PM
Class-A asshole. Someone should circulate this widely. Let the people of America see the future of the Republican Party.
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ohyeathatsright
February 19, 2010 6:30 PM
Glad to see the crowd acting out against his hate. What was the lead up to this? Why did they boo him when he was going up to the mic?
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dtkindler
February 19, 2010 6:35 PM
I wonder if he is familiar with the Minneapolis/St. Paul airport.
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mjshep
February 19, 2010 6:36 PM
OK, does that even actually mean anything? "Human nature is a rational substance in relationship." I know thee are words, and each one has a meaning, but put together they are just gibberish. And he probably thinks he's brilliant.
What a maroon.
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commie atheist
February 20, 2010 1:08 AM in reply to mjshep
Translation: "Homos are icky." Everything else is just him pretending that he's actually read any books.
I'd like to see him visit a leather bar in the Castro sometime and try his "bring it" bullshit. It will most definitely be brought on his pansy ass.
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ariseatex
February 19, 2010 6:51 PM
I used to be like them. Not a GOProuder; in my case trying to be an active Catholic while knowing I was gay. I was as fervent on the 95% of things I agreed with the church on as much as I could, hoping that they would then look over the 5% we disagreed on and accept me. Guess what? Didn't happen.
GOProud broke off from the Log Cabin Republicans because the LCRs weren't "conservative enough". They've been trying to stress their support for the 95% of conservative stances they agree with. Well guess what? Everyone there is just gonna focus on the 5% and say you don't belong.
I wonder when they will realize this.
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Powkat
February 19, 2010 6:58 PM in reply to ariseatex
Hey, you can be Catholic. The church is the people, not the scared old men who think they are the church. I always told my kids that there were the people rules and the god rules. The god rules are simple: Love god, love your neighbor. They rest is something a human being decided and if you know in your heart that it's false, you can ignore it. I know a lot of Catholics don't like that attitude, but that's their problem.
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toxophilite
February 19, 2010 7:53 PM in reply to Powkat
I was a good Catholic (except for the birth control thing) for the first 40 years of my life. We brought the kids up in the Church, were active, and we believed. Then the fundamentalists redefined right wing politics. They started with their "activism" locally and perverted our school board for a while there. Their kids accosted ours at school and told them they were going to hell. And then there was all the political stuff equating right wing with righteous. It was just so hateful, and all in the name of God. It got me thinking hard about the God thing. After several years, I decided that God was just a myth. An interesting journey. Two of the three kids got there on their own and the oldest can't make up her mind, although she and her husband have not baptized their kid. -The unintended consequences of Christian fundamentalism.
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SFn8ive420
February 19, 2010 7:39 PM in reply to ariseatex
Do the Log Closet Republicans still exist?
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mcc
February 19, 2010 7:54 PM in reply to SFn8ive420
GOProud was designed to be a version of the LCRs who didn't make so many demands of the party leadership. As far as I can tell basically as soon as GOProud appeared the LCRs stopped getting invited to anything.
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commie atheist
February 20, 2010 1:10 AM in reply to mcc
So they're a less gay version of Log Cabin Republicans? Somehow that seems perfect.
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lousgirl84
February 19, 2010 7:04 PM
Sick fucks!!
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ariseatex
February 19, 2010 7:21 PM
"Civil rights, when they conflict with natural rights, are contrary -- hey, you sit down. The lesbians at Smith College protest better than you do. The lesbians at Smith College protest than you do. All right? Bring it."
So same-sex attraction is unnatural, but lesbians still are considered an actual group? Not "The unnatural woman-loving-women at Smith College", but giving them the term "lesbians" as if it was an apt category.
*is confused*
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Matt Jones
February 19, 2010 9:06 PM in reply to ariseatex
Duh - even conservatives love lesbians. They just have to oppose male homosexuality, so everyone will be clear that they are "NOT GAY", no matter how much time they spend trolling airport bathrooms, chatting up pages, or snorting meth off a male prostitute's ass. :)
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psyclone
February 19, 2010 8:55 PM
I love how conservatives have to suffer under the cognitive dissonance of having to stress the importance of NATURE and adhering to NATURAL law when it comes to why gays and lesbians must be repressed. And here I thought they were always stressing how the goodness of humans arises from when we DON'T obey our natural impulses, in other words, by doing UNNATURAL things! So which is it, geniuses?
I mean, you don't even have to bring up the whole gay penguin thing to show how ridiculous the anti-gay GOP is.
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commie atheist
February 20, 2010 1:12 AM in reply to psyclone
And please, don't mention the bonobos. Those easy-lovin' primates would be way too much for conservatives to get their little brains around.
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Pablo Manriquez
February 19, 2010 9:38 PM
Nutcase.
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Johnny
February 19, 2010 11:39 PM
The crowd deserves credit for booing - just not much. You can count on right-wingers embracing positions that liberals fought for 40 years before, just like fashion and music always repeats what was avant-garde 20 years back. If you're GOP, libertarian or Tea Party, you live and die by Will Rogers' line: "Progress was all right once, but it's gone too far".
I bet you won't find a single CPAC attendee who'd lynch a black man for disrespecting white women. That doesn't mean conservatives are evolving any faster than they ever have.
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Brownbagger
February 21, 2010 3:47 PM in reply to Johnny
I'll take that bet. Nevertheless, I get your point.
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Marinus van der Lubbe
February 19, 2010 11:41 PM
Why wasn't Liz Cheny booed?
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JEP07
February 20, 2010 12:05 AM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
Dick was there to protect her?
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commie atheist
February 20, 2010 1:14 AM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
If I recall correctly, Liz Cheney only mentioned her support of the repeal of DADT to TPM; she didn't say it in front of the CPAC crowd. I mean, she's stupid, but she's not that stupid.
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Michael A
February 20, 2010 12:35 PM
Makes me want to become gay and join the log cabin republicans.
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morriganinoregon
February 20, 2010 4:31 PM in reply to Michael A
well, since they think it is a 'choice' you can just go ahead and say you picked 'gay', I guess. Matter of fact, all of us could say we 'picked gay' and join the LCR and swell the ranks (no pun intended, of course)
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we r all husseins
February 20, 2010 5:06 PM in reply to Michael A
You still can Michael. You could be their token straight guy.
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anna am
February 20, 2010 12:54 PM
This guy is just too angry. Very deep that. Clearly a story here.
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we r all husseins
February 20, 2010 5:18 PM
Natural Rights?!? Men have used "Natural Rights" as justification for everything from despotism to genocide, from territorial aggression to bigotry. And now .... homophobia???
I thought we killed this beast 234 years ago when we replaced natural rights with the unalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
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labman57
February 20, 2010 7:34 PM
It's very revealing that, with all of the critical issues facing the nation -- unemployment and the economic recovery, health care reform, energy policy, the Middle East conflicts, etc., some key players in the conservative movement are prepared to fall on their swords over their determination to deny gays their equal rights.
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waterhead
February 21, 2010 1:55 AM
So his group, California Young Americans for Freedoms, wants to deny another group the freedom to be Conservative?
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AllanCook
February 21, 2010 8:41 AM
Methinks he doth protest too much.
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Knothead Jake
February 21, 2010 11:11 AM
He's pressing this issue Waaaaaaaayyyyy too much. Closeted gay in denial.
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jonez
February 21, 2010 12:25 PM
Homosexuality is totally gross, lesbians are ok though. But still that's up to them if they choose to be gay. And they should not be discriminated against because of it. And btw, nobody's born gay, that a propaganda tool they've used on the world for years now. That's like being born a burglar, or born a baseball player, or born a preacher. Just because you have urges for a particular type of behavior doesn't mean that's how you were born. A person who considers themselves gay can surely stop doing it and get married to the opposite sex, raise a family and everything, right? All they have to do is decide that they are going to do it. Therefore, it's a choice. But you can't decide to not be black, or not be handicapped, or not be short, etc. Sexual behavior is triggered in the brain, not anywhere else.
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tragic
February 21, 2010 1:58 PM
Homophobia is even grosser. Believe it or not, most people that are comfortable with their own sexuality don't go out of their way to describe it as a disgusting behavior. Nor are they self-proclaimed experts on the origins of it. They sort of just let people live their own lives without making over-the-top remarks. I know human decency and respect isn't for everyone though.
Moreover, a man and woman aren't required to create a family. A loving gay couple are completely capable of raising children and deserve that right.
And let me assure you, it's not a choice. I might ask you when you chose to be straight. Was there a definitive moment when you decided you'd be attracted to girls? With all the bigotry out there, wouldn't many "choose" not to be gay? I guess all the counseling many go through is an elaborate act. I guess all the misery many have endured on a daily basis from people like you is out of a want for special attention.
Or it could be you have no idea what you are talking about. It is nice that you think discrimination is wrong, but when your message is underscored by the very same type of damaging remarks that hinder gay men and women from feeling equal in our society, it kinda ruins the point.
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Brownbagger
February 21, 2010 3:51 PM in reply to tragic
He's choosing to be hateful.
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sammy baby
February 21, 2010 7:29 PM
The lesbians I met at Smith College would kick this prick's ass.
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JimmyBobby
February 23, 2010 11:21 PM
Just wait, Sorba will turn out to be a major fudge-packer.
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VexSmith
February 24, 2010 3:11 AM
How do we distinguish booing from disapproval, and the normal --for them--booing of the mere mention (of gays)?
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Tosh
June 6, 2010 5:23 AM
I love how conservatives have to suffer under the cognitive dissonance of having to stress the importance of NATURE and adhering to NATURAL law when it comes to why gays and lesbians must be repressed. And here I thought they were always stressing how the goodness of humans arises from when we DON'T obey our natural impulses, in other words, by doing UNNATURAL things! So which is it, geniuses?
I mean, you don't even have to bring up the whole gay penguin thing to show how ridiculous the anti-gay GOP is.
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