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Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL) has decided to place a hold on all pending executive branch nominees, and that has all of Washington asking: Who does such a thing?

A Senate leadership aide even says: "I am not aware of that ever happening."

But it has happened. And perhaps the most recent perpetrator was none other than Harry Reid, before he became Senate Majority Leader.

"Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., is increasing pressure to have one of his aides confirmed to a top post at the federal agency that will decide the Yucca Mountain Project," reads a June 2004 article in the Las Vegas Review Journal.

Reid confirmed Monday that he will put a blanket hold on all of President Bush's nominees for executive branch positions except for judges and defense appointees. He said he will hold up nominees and selected bills until his nuclear waste adviser, Gregory Jaczko, can be confirmed to join the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

'He'll get that job,' Reid said. 'It's just a question of when, now or six months from now. Maybe it will be after Bush is defeated. Whether Bush is re-elected or not, Jaczko will get that job.'

Now there are a number of key differences between what Reid did and what Shelby's doing. Reid's hold, which contributed to a major roadblock of Bush executive nominees at the end of 2004, was driven by a longstanding policy conviction: Reid opposes using Yucca Mountain in his home state as a nuclear dumping site, and was trying to get a simpatico colleague confirmed to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to keep the site protected.

Shelby is asking for billions of dollars in earmarks, and doing a fair amount of whining.

Separately, a top Senate aide points out that Reid's hold excluded national security nominees. Shelby's does not.

Thirdly, the Bush nominees were blocked at the end of Bush's first term--hardly uncommon as a President's term comes to a close. Shelby's move comes toward the beginning of Obama's presidency, at a time when his administration is severely understaffed...largely because Republicans have been stalling his nominees.

So blanket holds aren't unprecedented. But they are rare--and according to a top Congress watcher, they rise to a higher level of obstruction.

"Holds are, of course, very common," says Norm Ornstein. "But blanket holds are pretty damn rare."

Ornstein suggested that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's next move would be to "call Shelby's bluff" -- bring the nominees to the floor despite Shelby's promise to filibuster them. Since a hold is really just a promise to filibuster, Ornstein said, Shelby needs the 41 votes required to block cloture to actually implement it. Bringing it to the floor would force Shelby to prove he's got the support to block the nominations.

"This only works if there's a tacit conspiracy among the...Senators," Ornstein said.

However, there's also the matter of time. Each successful cloture motion causes a delay of several days. Multiply by 70-or-so nominees, and, if Shelby doesn't relent, Reid couldn't confirm all of them by the end of this Congress. Even if he stacked the votes back to back.

"The hold is basically a sort of extension of the casual use of the filibuster," Ornstein said. "It wasn't meant to be an individual veto, or something that would allow the nomination to linger for months...but like the filibuster, it's morphed into something else."

Additional reporting by Evan McMorris-Santoro.

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February 5, 2010 1:54 PM   

It does not matter what the issue, they need to be forced to actually filibuster. Shelby's challenge is a gift. Make him talk.

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February 5, 2010 3:22 PM    in reply to sunnysteve

Agreed. Challenge them on this.

Who wants to fillibuster for PORK?? For their pet projects EARMARKS??

Bring it on!

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February 6, 2010 11:21 AM    in reply to sunnysteve

In 1975, the Senate changed the proportion for a filibuster from 2/3 to 3/5. At the same time, they changed the rules so that a filibustering Senator doesn't have to stand there and literally talk for 24 hours like Strom Thurmond famously did. TPM actually had a decent explanation of the issue:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/filibuster-20-how-41-senators-control-the-country-without-actually-filibustering.php

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February 6, 2010 11:58 AM    in reply to precisioncontrol

Precisoncontrol,

The Democrats should FORCE the Obstructionist, Filibustering GOP to "sit on the floor in silence" (as per the filibuster rule) ... wouldn't that be great tv. The Obstructionist party sits in silence to thwart the "People's" work from being done. YES ... FORCE THEM!

From your TPM Link "filibustering senator "can be forced to sit on the [Senate] floor to keep us from voting on that legislation for a finite period of time according to existing rules but he/she can't be forced to keep talking for an indefinite period of time." And only one Republican at a time would have to monitor the Senate floor. The rest, it seems, could all go on vacation while a lone member of the minority sat there "filibustering" quietly."

That is what the Dems should FORCE the GOP to do.

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February 6, 2010 12:19 PM    in reply to Keepemhonest

As the link also notes, the process they went through on healthcare was pretty close to that. They could do that, but then the work of the Senate would grind to an even slower pace. They just need to get rid of "filibusters" and "holds" entirely.

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February 6, 2010 2:18 PM    in reply to precisioncontrol

Precision

Yes, the GOP, Lieberman, B. Nelson, Lindraeu, B. Lincoln ALL "threatened" to filibuster. Reid should have FORCED them to filibuster senate rule style and sit in silence as time slowly click, click, click.

Can you image the commercials:
ANNOUNCER: "Here is the GOP answer to Health Care"
... shows picture of GOP SILENT during filibuster.

ANNOUNCER: "Here is the GOP answer to "Financial Reform"
... shows picture of GOP SILENT during filibuster.

ANNOUNCER: "Here is the GOP answer to "Consumer Financial Protection Agency"
... shows picture of GOP SILENT during filibuster.

-- I do not like the filibuster rule & I never have ... BUT since we have that rule, Reid should FORCE the GOP to use their "threatened" filibuster ON THE FLOOR IN SILENCE as per Senate Rules

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February 7, 2010 2:34 PM    in reply to sunnysteve

Apples and Oranges...PORK FOR SHELBY vs. principle for Reid... This deserves a MEDIA BLAST---at least twice a day from everyone on this site!

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February 5, 2010 2:07 PM   

Let's see how many Senators want to put their reputations on the line for Alabama pork. I think it'd be a good way for Scott Brown to start his term.

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February 5, 2010 2:10 PM   

Blanket hold on 70 nominees over Defense contracts to come to his state which will help him financially in campaign financing?

I don't see the similarities.

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February 5, 2010 2:20 PM    in reply to mike from Arlington

I think they're trying to point out that making the argument that Democrats have never used the same tactic is incorrect, whatever the circumstances of either persons hold. I don't see the reason to be similar either, just the procedural move employed is the similar.

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February 5, 2010 2:45 PM    in reply to BrookJolley

And I'm fairly well convinced this blanket hold has zero to do with actually getting the pork. Well, okay, maybe a couple percent — but is as disingenuous a reason as are all others in this minority that has declared war on the US deomcratic process.

When you combine this blanket hold with the fact that there have been (as Obama correctly pointed out) more filibuster/cloture threats/motions in the single year of his presidency than during the 50s and 60s combined, what you see is a group of individuals committed to the strategy of strangling the government into submission (or death). This strategy has nothing to do with serving constituencies or solely one's self, and everything to do with power and control returned to the corporate masters. Period.

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February 5, 2010 2:13 PM   

"Multiply by 70-or-so nominees, and, if Shelby doesn't relent, Reid couldn't confirm all of them by the end of this Congress."

But he will relent. That's the whole point. It's a bluff, and as any poker-player knows, the surest way to stop him from bluffing is to call him on it. Instead the Dems keep folding their hand, and in many cases they were winning hands.

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February 5, 2010 2:15 PM   

There is nothing to stop Reid from rolling all the confirmations into a single vote. That happened before under Bush.

Same thing applies to legislation. The GOP stopped passing individual budget bills for each agency as used to happen and instead just rolled everything into one measure.

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February 5, 2010 2:15 PM   

Sweet Home Alabama! Where the Government is always small.

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February 5, 2010 2:30 PM    in reply to jchaus

It's not the government that's small in Alabama...

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February 5, 2010 2:19 PM   

If I had the chance to give Shelby just one piece of advice, I'd have trouble deciding whether I'd tell him to get rid of the combover or to stop being such a corporate whore.

I guess in a perfect world he could do both.

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February 5, 2010 2:21 PM   

Didn't Kit Bond hold at least one nomination over earmarks? If Dems had any brains, they would assemble the list and make very very public. "Earmark" is a very unpopular word--tie it around their necks.

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February 5, 2010 2:21 PM   

Republicans have been lying to the American people about the deficit every chance they get to go before the cameras.

Republicans decry, "Government Take Over, The Government Is Spending Too Much"

Yet Behind CLOSED DOORS THEY ARE HOLDING OUR "GOVERNMENT HOSTAGE"

The President addressed this when he spoke to the GOP, he talked about Earmarks and told us that Republicans were decrying Deficit concerns all the while racking up Earmarks, and that it was all right as long as it was not in their state.

Well BINGO

Republicans are lying day after day after and after Republican Kit Bond also HELD THE GAS CHIEF FOR 8 MONTHS UNTIL PRESIDENT OBAMA EMBRASSED THEM ON NATIONAL TV AND SHE PASSED WITH A VOTE OF

96-0

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE


ON THE ONE HAND REPUBLICANS ARE DECRYING

GOVERNMENT TAKE OVER


ON THE OTHER HAND THEY ARE HOLDING THE GOVERNEMENT HOSTAGE

IN AN ATTEMPT TO LINE THEIR POCKETS WITH TAXPAYER MONEY FOR THEIR PET PROJECTS


WHILE STRUGGLING AMERICANS WHO THEY HAVE COST JOBS, HOMES, ETC

ARE STILL JOBLESS AND HOMELESS


THANK YOU TPM FOR SHINNING THE SPOT LIGHT ON THIS ISSUE


HOWEVER THIS ARTICLE ATTEMPT TO DEFEND THE FIRST ONE

IT CANNOT THERE IS AS SOMEONE POINTED OUT A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN REID'S ACTIONS AND


HOLDING THE ENTIRE GOVERNMENT HOSTAGE FOR


BILLIONS, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS

AMERICANS NEED THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH


IT'S TIME TO TAKE OFF THE BLINDERS


THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN.

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February 5, 2010 2:23 PM   

Shelby has just donated the best example to the WH and all they say is "sillyness"?

How about "outragous"

If this was reversed, the Repubs would not care about hyprocacy and would get milage out of it..

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February 5, 2010 2:24 PM   

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February 5, 2010 2:30 PM    in reply to congoman

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February 5, 2010 3:34 PM    in reply to lousgirl84

Hello..good to see you today.

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February 5, 2010 2:27 PM   

Reid also didn't spend good-sized chunks of the last decade kvetching about both holds (remember "up or down vote"?) and the evils of earmarks.

Combine the two, and Shelby should be embarrassed beyond belief.

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February 5, 2010 2:41 PM   

Don't bring them separately.

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February 5, 2010 3:03 PM   

Put Sen. Shelby to a test. Bring these people up for confirmation one at a time and let Senator Shelby filibuster each one. Lets see how the remaining Republican Senators vote.

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February 5, 2010 3:14 PM   

The Senate is so fucked up.

The Senators religious like devotion to collegial, clubby, antiquated, anarchonistic, anti-democratic rules that have no place in a functioning 21st century democracy prevents them from performing their legislative and governing mission.

And Reid and the rest of the Senate assholes still delude themselves that they are some sort of great deliberative and debating legislative body.

In reality they are an dysfuntional embarrassment and a joke who are dragging this country down to the status of a has-been second rate paower.

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February 5, 2010 3:30 PM    in reply to tommyo

The problem is that the Senate is no longer collegial or clubby, but instead merely antiquated, anarchonistic, and anti-democratic.Those rules actually did work at one time, but the Senate has changed in such a way as to make the rules into devices most useful for political combat.

I guess my point is that rules intended for grownups don't work so well for bratty little toddlers.

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February 5, 2010 3:40 PM    in reply to cwnidog

Yes indeed, but they are still to collegial to recind these outdated rules.

Reid impotently carries on about the injustice of it all but, as usual, does nothing to change the rules that allow this insanity to occur.

That such an outrageous act as this blanket hold is tolerated tells you all you need to know about the sad state of todays Senate.

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February 5, 2010 3:28 PM   

TPM's Brian Beutler completely misreported this. He wrote:

A Senate leadership aide even says: "I am not aware of that ever happening." But it has happened. And perhaps the most recent perpetrator was none other than Harry Reid...

Wrong.

Reid did not ever place a "blanket hold on all Bush nominees" as did Shelby. Reid specifically and explicitly did not place a hold on either judicial or national defense nominees.

The article Beutler cites even says as much.

Beutler should correct this inaccurate article which claims that Reid's selective hold is the same thing as Shelby's Blanket Hold. Shelby's hold puts American lives and national security at risk for political gain; the two are not even close to similar.

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February 5, 2010 3:45 PM    in reply to Munguza

Yeah, I noticed something similar. The LV Sun article says Reid 'will' do it, not that he *did* do it.

If that's the smoking gun of proof that Harry put a 'blanket hold' on nominees, it's more like a broken popgun.

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February 5, 2010 3:59 PM    in reply to Munguza

correct. here's the link to the article

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/Jun-15-Tue-2004/news/24104716.html

also says:

"He said he exempted judicial nominees because the Senate has a separate agreement on how those are handled. As for allowing defense nominations to go through, he said he did not want to hamper military operations."

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February 5, 2010 3:37 PM   

They can take votes to overcome these holds. Do it, damnit! Even if the Dems lose, if they do it enough they win, because it becomes clear which side of the aisle is populated by the posterior's of horses. (No offense to horse posteriors intended— just an analogy to the business both they and Republicans engage in.) If you need some advice on how to show the country what the Republicans are really doing, talk to Clinton about what he did to them in '95.

I do not buy the idea that the Senate does not have the time to engage in a filibuster because it has to get things done. What the hell has it done? It can't even get many of Obama's judicial nominees through.

Get a pair (whichever pair suits you) guys: stop whimpering and do something!

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February 5, 2010 3:50 PM   

The true headline is "we No Longer Have A Democracy".

Each day we get headlines about the symptoms. Media is scared to write the article.

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February 5, 2010 4:03 PM   

The time it takes between the revelation of any Republican outrage and Democratic donning of the hairshirt over their own past indiscretions can now be measured in hours, not days. Good God! Do as they do. Please. Embrace the goddamn hypocrisy of it, and then get up on the high horse and trample them. And that means you, Sheriff Bart.

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February 5, 2010 4:48 PM   

Should Reid elect to push the issue, it is likely that it could backfire dramatically.

The Senators guard their privileges zealously. They lose a privilege and now they don't have it when they feel the need it.

Ried is a leader full of wind.

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February 5, 2010 7:38 PM   

Harry Reid & co used the same hold to keep Roland Burris out of the Obot's seat, and they've used it other times as well.

While you're bitching and moaning about this, your lot ignore the fact that the same HObama who blew 10 million in one year on parties in the whitehouse. Also, the case that will be the start of sending HObama to jail is in it's early stages. Apparently, the HO had Timmy Geithner set up an illegal money laundering operation, and is using public funds to promote Sharia financing, plus lot's more dirt from the AIG bailout. Happy days! Also, HObama admits that his budget is based on a house of cards and our economy is going to collapse soon. I'd get those stories, where you claim complete ignorance of the fascism your lot have been advocating, because when the shit hits the fan, you people will be the one left holding the bag.. just like all those German nazis who tried to pretend they had no idea of what they were involved in. Though I do hope that you all lose everything you own and are forced into the maelstrom you helped create.

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February 6, 2010 10:16 PM    in reply to mm232

Your racism is so totally disgusting I have no time to read your post. Acting like a three year old and posting such disgusting things about the President makes your post to disgusting even to this Republican. I want no one to think I as a Republican condone this outright racism!

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February 5, 2010 8:22 PM   

They should have a vote on one ASAP. I bet there's a highly qualified Republican or at least Independent somewhere in that 70 blocked appointees. Make it Scott Brown's very first vote.

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February 5, 2010 11:40 PM   

When the Reps were running stuff it took TWO senators, usually from the same state, to put a hold on anything. Now, it only takes ONE senator, from any state, to do it. I don't understand why anyone still supports harry Reid. We got an actual mandate from the people, actual political capital, and this clown has squandered every bit of it. Sh*t! (and that's Harry's sphincter in that word.)

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February 6, 2010 8:54 AM   

When the new session begins in 2011, the senate can change the "filibuster kill" rules to require only 51 votes. They can change these rules with just 51 votes. A sitting session cannot make rules for future sessions. But they need to do this as a first order of business in 2011. Otherwise they are assumed to have adopted the previous session's rules.

...Assuming the dems still control the damn thing in 2011, there is a way to unlock this thing.

The reds have decided that it is not in there self interest to co-operate this year. (even if they have doubts, and wanted to co-operate, they have put themselves in a corner with the crazy base) Best to put sunlight on that, save the sen majority in Nov, change the rules in January, and finally get some policy rolling in 2011.

I don't see another path to make positive change. We are falling behind the world now for sure, most...all other countries are not paralyzed like this.

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February 6, 2010 11:32 AM   

TPM Webmaster - please delete & ban "Huang".

As for the topic at hand: Richard Shelby is Ben Nelson, only without the subtlety and sophistication.

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February 6, 2010 12:02 PM   

The Teabaggers should LOVE GOP Shelby.

Shelby is obstructing & halting the "People's" work from getting done so HE can use federal tax dollars for a PORK project in his state -- so that a FOREIGN COMPANY CAN PROFIT.

hmmm... I thought the Teabaggers were against us using OUR TAXES on pork - or pet projects - in states ... talk about BIG GOVT!

If the project is so important to Shelby why not have ONLY those in Alabama use their tax money on the project ... why should people in the other states have to pay for Shelby's Foreign Company project?

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February 6, 2010 1:01 PM   

. Democrats, force Sen. Shelby’s hand. Now is the time to stand up. Well actually January 20th was the time to stand up but ok a little late is good.

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February 6, 2010 1:10 PM   

Another slip in Beutler's reportage: am I the only one curious to know whether Reid's ploy worked, and if Jaczko "got the job"?

Last I heard, the Yucca Mountain project was still proceeding...

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February 6, 2010 4:57 PM    in reply to Pierce R. Butler

I did a little homework: Jaczko is now the (Obama-appointed) Chair of the NRC (which currently lacks 2/5 of its membership due to Senatorial blockage), and the Yucca Mountain project is apparently going nowhere (yay! - for once, Reid did something good).

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February 8, 2010 12:32 AM   

However, there's also the matter of time. Each successful cloture motion causes a delay of several days. Multiply by 70-or-so nominees, and, if Shelby doesn't relent, Reid couldn't confirm all of them by the end of this Congress. Even if he stacked the votes back to back.

What's to prevent bundling them together and voting on all of them at once?

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February 8, 2010 12:32 AM   

However, there's also the matter of time. Each successful cloture motion causes a delay of several days. Multiply by 70-or-so nominees, and, if Shelby doesn't relent, Reid couldn't confirm all of them by the end of this Congress. Even if he stacked the votes back to back.

What's to prevent bundling them together and voting on all of them at once?

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