
With a vote coming up Monday to begin debate on a jobs bill, Democrats are hoping they can get a few Republican votes for cloture. But the Republicans are looking to block the bill, even though they support its content, claiming instead that they've been mistreated by Democrats.
A Democratic leadership aide tells TPMDC that they might have the votes for cloture -- but it "all depends on Republicans."
"We are hoping that Republican senators like Scott Brown will oppose the will of their leadership, and buck the demands of Republican lobbyists who are busy scheming to defeat Senator Reid's legislation as we speak," the aide said.
But an aide for Minority Leader Mitch McConnell criticized Democrats for not allowing amendments on the bill.
It's a "bizarre first vote to have after all the bipartisan talk," the aide said.
And as Roll Call reports today, Republican Senate leaders told more than 100 lobbyists yesterday that they plan to oppose the bill because of the process -- not because of the actual policy.
"The feeling is they aren't going to say anything in opposition to the bill, except to say it's incomplete," a lobbyist who attended the meeting said. "They are not opposed to the bill, they just believe their rights as the minority have been abridged."
Reporting by Christina Bellantoni
VictorLH
February 18, 2010 9:41 AM
Time for Reconciliation!
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IowaKid
February 18, 2010 10:13 AM in reply to VictorLH
I agree!! The dems need to get a spine.
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shooter242
February 18, 2010 10:32 AM in reply to IowaKid
Me too. When Republicans take over the Senate, no filibusters will be a wonderful thing.
There's not a company anywhere that this will incentivise. It's a joke.But beyond that, why should Republicans be in favor of something they are barred from amending? That's certainly not bi-partisanship.
In any event this isn't a jobs bill, it's a PR stunt.
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hunter
February 18, 2010 11:31 AM in reply to shooter242
But beyond that, why should Republicans be in favor of something they are barred from amending?
According to their own statements, they think the bill is good. So, whether or not they get to amend it, why are they voting against policy they believe is good for the country?
Their argument is a simple tantrum: "they won't give us everything we want, so we're going to vote against creating jobs when the unemployment rate is 9.7% even though we think the bill is good."
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Tommy Douglas
February 18, 2010 11:34 AM in reply to shooter242
MAKE THE REPUBLICANS FILIBUSTER THE JOBS BILL.
On the other hand, the bill is so small, what's the point.
THe scale of the $150 billion House jobs bill is what we need.
What happened to the boxer in Harry Reid? Come out and fight please. It's the key to Democrats success in 2010. By the way, Independents like leaders who pass real reform and who are Centrists patsies for Corporate America.
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Tommy Douglas
February 18, 2010 11:37 AM in reply to Tommy Douglas
rather...... Independents like leaders who pass real reform and who are NOT Centrists patsies for Corporate America.
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JennOfArk
February 18, 2010 10:53 AM in reply to VictorLH
No. Not reconciliation. Force them to actually filibuster the damn thing.
Let's see how sweet their election prospects look after they've spent days/weeks/months holding up the business of the Senate to oppose a JOBS BILL at a time when unemployment is at 10%.
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sbv
February 18, 2010 11:13 AM in reply to JennOfArk
it's time to show the country the "emperor has no clothes." let the country see (at least those who still live in a fact-based reality) what it is the democrats want to do and what it is the gop does not.
health care reform = anthem just the tip of the iceberg for all those who think they don't need reform because they already have health insurance.
jobs creation = 1/3 of stimulus went for tax cuts only 12% of the country think they received.
financial reform = wall street and their corrupt ponzi scheme practitioners are back and scheming like its 2007.
barack obama would have taken office with no budget deficit (read debt) if there had been no gwb tax cuts to the wealthy and no iraq war.
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FromTexas
February 18, 2010 11:36 AM in reply to JennOfArk
I agree - make them filibuster and put the whole thing on C-SPAN. I also read that reconciliation can only be used once a session or possibly once a year and they may have to use it with HCR unless they can attach the jobs bill to that bill. Tricky.
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Darrius
February 18, 2010 1:02 PM in reply to VictorLH
Not before we actually hold a vote and make these Senators go on record as voting against a jobs bill.
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wbgonne
February 18, 2010 9:51 AM
Here's the thing: bi-partisan for the GOP means that the Dems should only do what the GOP approves. As I understand the democratic process, it is the winners who control the agenda, not the losers who nearly wrecked the economy, allowed the worst terrorist attack in American history and then launched a war under false pretenses which they paid for with money borrowed from China.
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IowaKid
February 18, 2010 10:52 AM in reply to wbgonne
and largest debt owed to China came on Bush's watch
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mans_best_friend
February 18, 2010 9:51 AM
Then by all means, don't hold the vote. We wouldn't want to put the R's in an uncomfortable position by voting against a jobs bill.
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alkali
February 18, 2010 9:56 AM
I was talking with an unemployed friend the other day. "Sure, I want a job that can put food on my family's table, but if I got a job as a result of a bill that offended Mitch McConnell's procedural sensibilities, I'm not sure I could live with that kind of emotional pain."
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Moose49
February 18, 2010 11:45 AM in reply to alkali
Brilliant!
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tduff
February 18, 2010 9:56 AM
This reminds me of a great SNL skit, JUST FIX IT!!
http://randomthoughtstd.blogspot.com/
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Bullsmith
February 18, 2010 10:04 AM
Republicans oppose jobs for Americans just like they oppose health care for Americans. At least they're consistent.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
February 18, 2010 10:17 AM
Yet another incremental escalation of the chutzpah factor in their excuses for blocking the will of the majority. Now they're actually saying they refuse to allow a vote on legislation they openly admit they support because they claim they're upset that the majority is acting like the majority.
I know we're all mad and know that their obstensible reasons are meaningless, and that the real agenda is to abuse the Senate rules to the maximum and thereby generate a perception of ineptitude and impotent futility which, they believe--apparently correctly--will cause the voters to reward them for their obstructionism. (I also note that way too many Democrats and "progressives" seem to be eagerly buying into precisely the framing the Republicans are trying to create, but that's another post.)
What no one seems to be noticing yet, however, is the way they keep slowly dialing up the transparency and absurdity of their stated reasons. They're like tweens looking for boundaries and not finding any. They keep seeking the point at which the MSM will call bullshit on them, rather than merely reporting that Democrats called bullshit. And they really have yet to find that point. That lack of boundaries is tempting the Republicans into transparent displays of open contempt for the media, just like tweens, will indulge in open contempt for parents who refuse to set limits. Their reasons are going to get increasingly absurd and the MSM will continue to either blandly report them as if they were real or, worse yet, do the knowing insider Cokie Roberts style chuckling and chortling over it that implicitly says that "this is all just perfectly ordinary business as usual."
In coming weeks, look for:
"We are blocking a vote on extending unemployment benefits because Senator Reid didn't say anything to Sen. McConnell about his new haircut."
"We blocked a vote on the bill to provide rations and and ammunition to the troops in Afghanistan because the Senate cafeteria ran out of rocky road ice cream."
"Today, we blocked a vote on a bill whose title we haven't even bothered to read for reasons that will be made clear in the following interpretive dance performance by Chuck Grassley, Saxby Chambliss and Thad Cochrane."
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nova voter
February 18, 2010 10:31 AM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
yep, exactly. spot on.
i just keep secretly hoping (well, "fantasizing", actually, since i know this won't happen) that a really talented and well-funded documentary maker is compiling all of this shit and, thanks to Citizens United, puts together and distributes extremely widely (in addition to pared down 60-second television commercial versions) a well-put-together movie that not only explicitly endorses one candidate and condemns another, but that clearly and simply chronicles the GOP's utter contempt for america and americans, and its downward spiral to complete, malicious absurdity.
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mans_best_friend
February 18, 2010 11:20 AM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
And it's made even easier when the Dems don't even hold the cloture vote. All McConnell has to do is say they're opposed and Reid tosses the bill in the shredder. Call their bluff. How many are going to want to face campaign commercials in November by their opponents highlighting their vote against a jobs bill? I'll bet lunch that if they actually held the vote a lot of R's would lose their nerve and vote for it.
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ru4862
February 18, 2010 10:21 AM
Normally i don't talk like this but Democrats need get a f*** pair of balls and pass shit through reconciliation. The gridlock by republicans is beyond ridiculous.
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agio
February 18, 2010 10:28 AM
So when it comes down to a choice between helping Americans getting back to work or making sure they are properly pampered by Senate Democrats, it's good to know where Republicans come down.
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nova voter
February 18, 2010 10:45 AM
also posted in the daily roundup, where this story was flagged:
OH. MY. GOD.
GOP senators "believe their rights as the minority have been abridged."
LOfuckingL!!!!! think about that statement/position. the GOP all of a sudden thinks minority groups have rights that shouldn't be abridged, that should be protected?????
the two-faced douchebaggery is stunning.
i certainly expect lalo to get in here and explain how minority groups shouldn't be getting "special treatment."
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bidalah
February 18, 2010 10:50 AM
I hate to say it, but the Republicans have a point here. First of all a $15 million job bill cannot be anything but a waste of $15 million dollars. It is simply too small to have any practical effect. Secondly, Reid pulled this maneuver just as Obama was preaching bipartisanship and just as polls were showing that the majority believed Obama was trying harder to reach a compromise then Republicans. We were finally starting to win the public debate before Reid did this!
Imagine the shoe being on the other foot. Imagine the Republicans unilaterally reject a bipartisan bill, forcing a vote on a partisan one and refusing even to allow amendments. These tactics are worthy of Republicans, not Democrats.
Bottom line: as much as I despise the current Republican leadership, if I were a senator I would be filibustering this bill too.
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Bullsmith
February 18, 2010 10:58 AM in reply to bidalah
bidelah, I think you give the Republicans far, far too much credit. They negotiated a bipartisan bill and then immediately started to move to campaign against it, so Reid pulled it. Seriously, the Republicans have made bipartisanship not only a joke, but an impossibility. The mistake Dems have made is not calling them what they are: a disloyal opposition. The idea that the Democrats acted in bad faith here is only plausible if you don't notice the Republicans are lying about every single thing they say these days.
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bidalah
February 18, 2010 12:03 PM in reply to Bullsmith
I give the Republicans no credit, at all. If Reid's manuevers here were a smart and aggressive pushback of the despicable tactics of the Republican caucus I would have have applauded. They were not. It was a hamfisted and ill-considered maneuver. It gave Republican something real to complain about, and made us look a lot like them in the public eye.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
February 18, 2010 11:01 AM in reply to bidalah
Billion. With a B. Let's at least be clear on how much they're trying to waste.
I doubt there's been an individual, stand-alone, public bill appropriating a measly 15 million since the Depression.
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bidalah
February 18, 2010 11:59 AM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Oops. Yes, I meant $15 billion. But I stand by my opinion of its ineffectiveness. The $154 BILLION job bill passed by the house is much closer in scale to what is required.
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wbgonne
February 18, 2010 11:08 AM in reply to bidalah
It's a lot better than nothing. Just ask the people who keep or get jobs.
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bidalah
February 18, 2010 12:04 PM in reply to wbgonne
I have to disagree. $15 billion is essentially a political fig leaf, designed only to help politicians save their jobs.
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Silence
February 18, 2010 11:41 AM
Las Vegas, NV (KTNV) - Mayor Oscar Goodman has refused an invitation to meet with President Obama when he arrives in town on Thursday. Mayor Goodman called President Obama a slow learner after he told Americans not to blow money on a weekend in Las Vegas if they were saving to put their kids through college.
"I've got other things to do quite frankly for my constituents here in Las Vegas who rely on me to do the right thing as a mayor," explained Mayor Goodman.
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The Mayor must be a racist...or perhaps a Nazi.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
February 18, 2010 12:44 PM in reply to Silence
In the military, they tell people you salute the uniform, not the man wearing it. Hard though it is for you people to believe, Obama is in fact, the President of the United States. It's a curious thing how Republican officials feel free, indeed compelled, to engage in open displays of disrespect to him that they wouldn't have dared level at even the loathesome radical liberal liar about blowjobs Bill Clinton.
So, yeah, one cannot help but wonder what is different about Obama that makes people on your side of the divide think that's okay, and even mandatory. And the frequency with which white conservatives make preemptive protestations that they're not racist is suggestive of what that difference might be.
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Powkat
February 18, 2010 12:12 PM
The DNC should have ads in every state asking why Sen. (fill in the blank) is opposed to an emergency jobs bill. Any fool could write it:
Millions of Americans are out of work, struggling to feed and house their families. There is a jobs bill in the Senate that will help them, but Senator ____ is refusing to allow a vote. People are hurting now and don't have time for political games. Call Sen. _____ and tell (him)(her) let Senate Bill ____ come to a vote today.
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Ben
February 18, 2010 12:29 PM
Lets break this down.
1. For the one millionth time the GOP is against what they formerly supported, which in this case was a few months ago.
2. The GOP turned against the bill after Reid removed the annual tax cut extensions that are nothing short of corporate giveways, the GOP loves. Their usage is just basic extortion, threatening the corporations with discontinuing the tax cuts if they don't pay up to their campaigns.
3. Before they announced their change of heart, the GOP met behind closed doors with 100 Lobbyists. Another example of hypocrisy that really needs no explanation.
4. The GOP just wants the Dems to fail. They will drive the country into the ground if it means they can regain power and stop a black man from fixing what they destroyed. You know its true.
5. Sure 15 billion is a drop in the bucket, but lets not loose perspective here. You would think such a small bill would be a shoe-in with the GOP. If the GOP blocks 15 billion, then why would anyone think the bill could be more?
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