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From Nearly Dead To Nearly Done: How The White House Refocused On Health Care To Finish It Off


President Barack Obama meets with bipartisan leaders of the House and Senate.

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Congressional Democrats say Thursday's health care summit is likely to clear the final hurdles to passing health care reform - and say that President Obama returning to the issue with a clear focus and a specific health care proposal makes it easier for them to get it done.

Health care reform was in hibernation after the special election in Massachusetts ended the 60-vote supermajority in the Senate, with some even declaring it dead and buried. But over the last few weeks there have been a series of developments that gave new life to health care reform. Democrats say the summit is the final step to securing House and Senate support for a compromise bill that could pass by the spring.

TPMDC has been surfacing where the momentum came from, with Congressional and Washington sources telling us that the White House at first seemed wary about spending political capital on something that was plummeting in the polls and which had wounded the party's chances at success in November.

Since Obama finally put a stamp of his own on a health care plan - a compromise that looks more like the Senate bill than the more progressive House version passed last year - Democrats are saying they can finally move forward and score a political victory.

Among the factors at work helping to revive momentum were the president's performance at the GOP retreat last month, Republican shenanigans around the invitations to the summit and the massive rate hikes proposed by the nation's largest insurer. What's more, Democrats cited polls showing the American people want Congress to press on.

These disparate events came together after a month of legislative limbo, giving the White House the political cover to move forward.

Congressional Democrats have been breathing a sigh of relief because they say finishing health care is the only way to stave off massive losses this fall.

"Not passing a bill means that all the lies the Republicans told about the bills would end up being true in people's minds," a House Democratic aide said.

Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-NY) said today she welcomes the steps Obama is taking to lay out his vision of health reform.

"His step in saying, 'This is the bill that I want here,' ... was a very important one," Slaughter told TPMDC. She said it was hard for Democrats to explain "to the world what we're trying to do here," and all that voters saw was inter-party squabbling.

"Should he have done it before? I don't think so. I think the most important thing that we did was the negotiations with the Senate to reach consensus between the two houses, because we know we have to carry this bill," she said.

A Democratic strategist familiar with inner-workings of the White House told me the momentum was reclaimed thanks in part to Republicans. The strategist said the GOP has been saying for a year they find reform necessary, and also called for televised discussions.

But by insisting health care negotiations start over entirely and in some cases suggesting they might not show up, they portrayed themselves as not really interested in bipartisanship after all, the strategist said. The political fight shifted the media's attention away from the process and the talk of 60 votes - which was hurting Democrats - and puts Obama on higher ground by showing he's willing to entertain GOP ideas to get it done.

"Now we are able to really focus on putting Republicans in a position where they have to produce ideas and we come off looking like we want solutions and we're working with them," the strategist said. "Momentum is derived from that rather than from Senate rules."

Meanwhile, Anthem Blue Cross in California announced they are raising rates by 39 percent, an issue the White House and Congressional Democrats seized upon. There are hearings tomorrow in the House and the administration has said California's increases are just a harbinger of what's to come if reform doesn't pass soon.

The strategist said the timing of the hikes "really really helped" because it injected a sense of urgency into the debate.

"And it proves what we had been saying because the insurance companies certainly feel like they are able to do whatever they want to do and when they think they've killed off insurance reform and look what they did," the strategist said.

Others said Congress was waiting for Obama to position himself as the final referee between the House and Senate bills. Lawmakers believe that since Obama actually has put himself on the line with his own plan, they will line up to support the final compromise.

The compromise plan is fairly close to what House and Senate leaders negotiated before the Massachusetts election, but Hill sources tell us that it was only after a regrouping period that the White House got back into the fray.

Congressional aides say they think Obama's team wanted to steer clear of any fallout if the negotiations collapsed and health care died.

Aides said Obama seemed to be showing willpower to go about health care the hard way by giving specific direction to Congress instead of sticking to the broad principles he'd been outlining for nearly a year.

Still, the House remains frustrated with Obama's team. Policy aides weren't consulted on the new health care plan and were only briefed by the White House after reporters were walked through the details.

Additional reporting by Brian Beutler

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February 23, 2010 8:04 PM   

So is passing HCR this terrifying tight-rope that it required herculean efforts from the White House just to get it to happen? Or is it a simple enough jaunt that the White House are in fact a bunch of cowardly slackers for not making their proposals much more ambitious?

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February 23, 2010 10:04 PM    in reply to mcc

Cowardly slackers.

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February 23, 2010 11:19 PM    in reply to EastWest

Right. That's why it is so damn easy and so many Administrations have been so successful trying to do it for the last hundred years.

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February 23, 2010 11:46 PM    in reply to Kristi

they had everything they needed to pass the bill. They still have everything they need to pass the bill.

Wait im wrong they have no fucking balls

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February 24, 2010 1:10 AM    in reply to 3star2nr

I wish things changed enough that they killed the deal they struck with the for-profit hospital lobby to limit its cost reductions to $155 billion over 10 years in exchange for a White House promise that there would be no meaningful public option.

According to The NY Times:

"Several hospital lobbyists involved in the White House deals said it was understood as a condition of their support that the final legislation would not include a government-run health plan paying-Medicare rates...or controlled by the secretary of health and human services. 'We have an agreement with the White House that I'm very confident will be seen all the way through conference', one of the industry lobbyists, Chip Kahn, director of the Federation of American Hospitals, told a Capitol Hill newsletter...Industry lobbyists say they are not worried [about a public option.] 'We trust the White House,'"

Corporations interest first, and the people's second. Unbelievable.
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February 24, 2010 3:32 AM    in reply to 3star2nr

"they had everything they needed to pass the bill. They still have everything they need to pass the bill.

Wait im wrong they have no fucking balls"

Ding, ding, ding, ding.

No more phone calls please.

We have a winner.

End of thread.

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February 23, 2010 10:09 PM    in reply to mcc

Obama cut a deal with Big Insurance a long time ago: go neutral on the P.O., and we'll remember you during the next campaign. What other reason would there be for such otherwise spineless behavior on Obama's part? Big Insurance has Obama in its hip pocket. Everything else is window dressing. No balls Obama.

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February 24, 2010 12:33 AM    in reply to loudprogressive

Each day that passes is 120 more lives that could have been saved. They need to pass a damn bill already. But a bill without the public option is going to be politically disastrous for Democrats. I can see the fall campaign ads already...

"The Democratic controlled Congress is making you give up your hard earned money to greedy corporations who want to kill grandma. Can we afford two more years of a Democratic controlled Congress? Send a message you want your hard earned money to stay in your pocket. Vote Republican."

How Democrats continue to shoot themselves in the foot I'll never know.

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February 24, 2010 6:01 AM    in reply to mophan

word.

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February 24, 2010 9:37 AM    in reply to mophan

Dude, I'm the first to say that it's always dangerous to underestimate the depth of the Republicans' capacity for mendacity, hypocricy and slander, but if a single fucking serious Republican candidate runs against a Democrat this summer on a pro-public option platform, I will personally come back here and virtually kiss your virtual ass.

The Teabagger candidates are going to claim the Democrats health plan was insufficiently socialist? Seriously?

I have lost my capacity to be amazed by the incredible intellectual contortions, and ever escalating heights of rhetorical fancy, that progressives have bent themselves into to try to justify their own obsessive, quasi-mystical fetishization of the public option.

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February 24, 2010 10:46 AM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

LOL. That's not quite what I was referring to, but it wouldn't surprise me either. I was referring to their attempt to repeal any health care legislation if they are able to convince voters to give them control again.

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February 24, 2010 11:11 AM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

True enough that noone yet knows what the public option would be, but I think a lot of us (I, at any rate) see it as a question of principle. A public institution would be held accountable to the public, not shareholders. We'd exercise some control over how people that manage the public option were compensated, rate hikes, etc.

I think the point a lot of people are making is: if we're being forced to buy a product on which our well-being depends, we should have the option of getting it from a gov't agency (like Medicare) that doesn't seek profit. The public option won't do that much to control costs (unless it grows, which is possible), but if you're going to use reconciliation anyway...hell, just as soon hang for a horse as for a mule.

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February 24, 2010 11:57 AM    in reply to Tanjaoui

And that's always been a bogus argument. The overwhelming majority of people who have employer provided health insurance are "forced" to buy private insurance. And that's the way it will be after the bill passes. Employers make the choice and the employees live with it.

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February 24, 2010 3:05 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

The point is we have/had the opportunity to change that situation. I agree that the time has likely passed, however.

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February 24, 2010 8:21 AM    in reply to loudprogressive

Don't forget the PhRMA deal, too! Obama made sure his pal Billy Tauzin would get another golden parachute as he went out the door!

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February 24, 2010 9:37 AM    in reply to loudprogressive

Troll!!!

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February 24, 2010 8:48 AM    in reply to mcc

Get real. First, if Health Care were simple it would have been done already. Second, people really are suckers for drama. Here's a far more accurate headline for this article: "From Nearly Dead To Nearly Done: How the Media Including TPM Consistently Misleads the Public on Health Care and Everything Else By Hyper-Exagerating to Create Drama Where In Fact There Is None".

If you believe health care went anywhere near from nearly dead to nearly done you're a sucker. The process of creating and passing major legislation is complex and takes time. Big surprise there.

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February 24, 2010 9:42 AM    in reply to joseph

And, amazingly, public statements, public posturing and leaks by "informed sources" are not the sum total of the actual process. In fact, they are the shadows on the wall of the cave of platonic parable. Which tells lot about the people who raptly watch and react to them them under the impression they're the sum total of reality.

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February 24, 2010 9:22 AM    in reply to mcc

Since no president has been able to get this close to passing anything in the last 50 years I would say it is an insane to consider the President a slacker. He was the single most productive president in his first year ever. Think of health care like graduating from college. It doesn't matter 3 years later whether it took you 4 years or 5 and 1/2. You have the degree and no one asks, did you make it through in 4 years? Once we pass it we win. And we'll win in November as well, which people discovered over xmas break.

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February 23, 2010 8:11 PM   

All I remember was that TPM was one of the few outlets trying the hardest to convince people that it was dead.

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February 24, 2010 9:00 AM    in reply to DrToast

That's exactly right. Too bad news outlets including TMP can't report something meaningful and well researched instead of manufacturing drama and gossip.

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February 28, 2010 5:15 PM    in reply to DrToast

Exactly. More level-headed voices, like Jonathan Cohn and Jonathan Chait at TNR, have kept saying all this time that the path towards passing a comprehensive bill was hard but still very much possible.

Here at TPM, on the other hand, the writers opt for a more hyperventilating style that attracts immediate attention and rouses visceral reactions. Health care reform is dead! It's come back from the dead!

I guess TPM has a higher number of visitors though ... sensationalism sells.

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February 23, 2010 8:12 PM   

So, basically, Obama wasn't willing to get his hands dirty by getting involved unless there was a trophy win involved? Impressive.

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February 23, 2010 9:20 PM    in reply to chigger

I think it's more a matter of trying to apply the lessons of 1994.

The original Clinton plan WAS a good plan. While people nowadays take the lazy route in proclaiming it wasn't clear, it wasn't this, it wasn't that -- I had the good fortune of being in a public policy course at the time it was being debated, and we did spend a fair bit of time on it.

Why did it fail?

Well... a whole lot of congress -- including would-be progressives - threw a hissy fit because the WH was dictating policy. There were some wankers -- Jim Cooper for one -- who were strictly ***holes for purposes of their own glorification. There were puzzlers -- I still don't think I quite understand why Moynihan, whom I generally respected -- became a twit. There were leadership failures - George Mitchell fired the final salvo in killing it... and, well... the plan took on PhRMA, the AMA, and AHIP.

So what did the Obama administration do?

Well -

#1 They tried to avoid strong-arming congress. This ain't the 60s anymore (and frankly, a lot of the 'LBJ would have...' is based more in fanciful mythology than fact.. .remind me again how many dixiecrats LBJ arm-twisted into voting for, or even, not filibustering the CRA?) - so they tried to play to the new reality. They provided broad sketches and outlines, tried to assist in negotiations, but ultimately -- let congress do what congress is constitutionally SUPPOSED to do. I'm not claiming the early effort was perfect... 'round about September, they should have pulled Harry and Max into a room and said "Look... A for effort, but it's pretty clear this isn't working. Just ram it out of committee and let's get it on the floor. We've got the votes, just do it."

#2 They employed a divide and conquer strategy - they didn't go after the providers (though grand reform is going to require that in the long-term) in order to keep the AMA on board. They cut deals with big PhRMA -- even getting a few concessions, but largely just promising not to upset the status quo too much. They decided this round would be a matter of going after AHIP.... and obviously, based on the astro-turfing teabaggers and the way their supposed progressive allies spent most of the summer and fall more interested in attacking the White House and Congressional Dems than playing a little vanguard defense against the death panelers - AHIP was plenty.

Where did they come up short?

They should have let Obama be Obama. They guy is a wonk, so let him wonk. Put him in front of hostile audiences -- conservative and progressive -- and let walk through the actual issues and facts. He clearly knows them, and he's clearly at his best when he's left to talk about them rather than trying to issue simple sound bytes, so let him do that.

I have EVERY expectation it won't happen during his term (or hopefully) termS. They've become villains, and that's fine.

20 years from now, though... if they do get a bill passed, and even if it's in the form of the Senate bill -- mark my words. The honest history will be that this was really a pretty damn extraordinary thing.

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February 23, 2010 10:31 PM    in reply to zonk

@zonk, why don't you print that post up and mail to Rahm so he can j##k off on it. Without a healthcare bill dems would have been called incompetent, and rightfully so. But by essentially auctioning the public off to insurance companies & the pharma lobby, they've guaranteed voters will turn on the majority who passes it and probably elect a new rethug majority just to over-turn it. Years from now people look back and wonder why Rahm and DLC handed the keys of power back to the rethuglicans at such a potentially pivotal point (serious REAL healthcare reform, and regulation of the financial industry is needed) just for campaign money.

Here is a list of the battleground states the Dems can expect to lose or spend more resources than they otherwise would, at a minimum:

* In Nevada, only 34% support the Senate bill, while 56% support the public option.

* In Illinois, only 37% support the Senate bill, while 68% support the public option.

* In Washington State, only 38% support the Senate bill, while 65% support the public option.

* In Missouri, only 33% support the Senate bill, while 57% support the public option.

* In Virginia, only 36% support the Senate bill, while 61% support the public option.

* In Iowa, only 35% support the Senate bill, while 62% support the public option.

*In Minnesota, only 35% support the Senate bill, while 62% support the public option.

* In Colorado, only 32% support the Senate bill, while 58% support the public option.
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/senate-republicans/polls-in-key-states-public-option-far-more-popular-than-senate-plan/

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February 23, 2010 10:50 PM    in reply to loudprogressive

Hear! Hear!

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February 23, 2010 11:06 PM    in reply to loudprogressive

@loud

Honestly, I don't think people really know what is in the Senate bill, and no pollster ever defines "public option." I support as much as we can get (single-payer is the best), but these polls--seriously, people aren't thinking about specific policy when they ask or answer the questions.

Take me, for example. I support a public option that is an option for all individuals and for small businesses below a certain income level. What passed the House, though, was pretty limited, so while I support "public option" as a foothold to a better public option, I don't see it as the great thing that some supporters do because it doesn't exist in the ideal form that I envision.

It's easy to make something perfect and frustratingly unattainable of a measure (PO) that is good, but not that big a deal.

Still, send $10 to Senator Bennett of Colorado for having the balls to lead the effort. He needs help and should be rewarded for being principled.

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February 23, 2010 10:42 PM    in reply to zonk

Nice job zonk. Agree with every word. When this thing goes through it will be a remarkable legislative accomplishment, despite all the whining here and on places like Kos. In my lifetime, the most significant legislation since the Great Society program enacted under LBJ.

Nice job.

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February 23, 2010 10:52 PM    in reply to blaneyboy

No. It won't be hailed as anything like a major accomplishment. It will be noted in history as an inadequate response to a major crisis that was kept inadequate by the influence of the insurance industry on the President and his party.

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February 23, 2010 11:13 PM    in reply to oleeb

Oleeb please step outside the bubble. You are completely wrong.

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February 24, 2010 1:18 AM    in reply to Viva!America!

Right. This is a good plan designed to benefit the American people and if passed will go down in history as a landmark piece of legislation. You gotta be fucking kidding me! How delusional are you?

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February 24, 2010 9:49 AM    in reply to oleeb

Right. That must be true, because otherwise you're going to be completely on the wrong side of history in twenty years and will feel more than a little foolish if, somehow, you go back and read what you've written here about this over the last year.

And, no, I don't exclude the possibility that I'll be the one feeling foolish in twenty years, but since I'm pretty sure I'm older than you, I may at least have a little senility going to shield me from the chagrin by then.

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February 24, 2010 1:55 AM    in reply to blaneyboy

There's good stuff in it for sure, but at its heart is a giveaway to the anti-trust-exempt insurance companies. Legal collusion 24/7 with our tax dollars paying the way.

If you think this bill is 'most significant since LBJ' you probably thought the GOP's prescription bill giveaway to pharma was up there too.

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February 24, 2010 2:30 AM    in reply to Scott in PacNW

Yes, allowing sick people who cannot get coverage under our current system to get coverage and in many cases alleviate their suffering or even saving their lives though access to appropriate treatment, as well as subsidizing people who cannot buy insurance because they cannot afford something they need is a "giveaway".

The deep selfishness in that kind of comment coming from so-called progressive democrats is stunning.

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February 24, 2010 9:40 AM    in reply to Economides

I am not surprised. Progressives do this every time a democrat gets in office. They are the most selfish folks on the planet.

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February 24, 2010 1:13 PM    in reply to Economides

Um, I said there's good stuff in there. I guess I should have been more explicit that insuring the uninsured is the good stuff.

But the current health insurance system is not sustainable and this bill does nothing to change that. In fact, it rewards the companies who have put us in the current situation with 30 million new customers.

If that's really 'selfish' of me to point that out, so be it.

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February 24, 2010 3:00 AM    in reply to Scott in PacNW

I guess you are pretty happy that Obama called for ending the insurance industry's anti-trust exception, and Pelosi is ready to roll.

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February 24, 2010 9:52 AM    in reply to philogratis

Shh. You're disrupting the ideologically driven narrative with your silly "facts." Don't yoou know how upsetting that is to people?

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February 24, 2010 1:25 PM    in reply to philogratis

Did he? If so, I missed it and I will VERY happily concede on that point. IMO, dropping the exemption will make a HUGE difference. For me a game changer. Maybe bigger than a PO. Truly.

Hard for some of you to belive, I know, but I'll acknowledge the facts changing when they do. Thank you for sharing.

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February 24, 2010 8:22 AM    in reply to Scott in PacNW

Actually, Bush's prescription drug bill DID move the ball down the field on healthcare coverage.

It has enormous problems. It was unfunded and it was enacted by locking in guarantees to drug companies, but it expanded the government's responsibilities in healthcare management.

Now, this round of HCR includes measures (like closing the "donut hole") to fix some of the problems with Bush's prescription drug legislation, but the expansion of coverage remains.

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February 24, 2010 8:58 AM    in reply to blaneyboy

I agree and just ignore the naysayers because that's all they are. They are all very tired and I am as tired listening to them whine and complain. We wouldn't even be having this conversation if McCain had gotten elected. No one said this would be easy or pretty and remember it is conservadems in the party that really put the axe on the bill, but for some reason it's all Obama's fault.

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February 24, 2010 9:12 AM    in reply to blaneyboy

Great Society programs didn't start off by mandating the purchase of services through private sector industries or by directing huge subsidies to private sector industries that made money by denying services and that added nothing of value to the end product (in this case, health care). Inapt comparison.

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February 23, 2010 10:57 PM    in reply to zonk

@zonk

Excellent analysis of Obama's HCR strategy. I remember all too well how Clinton's plan was torn apart by a Democratic Congress.

It's an ego thing, and Congress--especially senators--can't be manhandled into doing what they don't want to.

They will grandstand at the drop of a hat, gaining personal political points with their own constituents for being "independent," all at the expense of common Democratic goals.

You rightly point out that we wear rose-colored glasses when considering FDR's and LBJ's programs. This HCR will be enormous, even without a public option.

It has been painful because we can nowadays follow EVERY subcommittee meeting and every pronouncement and rumor during the legislative process, as people could not do in the 1930s and the 1960s. They were not frustrated by knowing what beneficial measures got bargained away, but Social Security wasn't as big as FDR had wanted (though it's bigger now) and I'm sure LBJ bargained away measures that would have made Medicare more comprehensive.

I love the internet, and I appreciate following negotiations closely, but it's definitely more painful to know what's going on than to sit in blissful ignorance listening to Jack Benny on the radio (or whatever--you know what I mean).

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February 23, 2010 8:20 PM   

Someone should tell AP, which under that Rove-kissing hack Fournier, has become an arm of the RNC. Three 'stories' today: 'Obama in Last-Ditch Attempt on Health Care,' 'Hoyer: Comprehensive Health Bill No Go,' and 'Dems, GOP Agree: Summit Will Not Break Logjam.'

This will just make passage sweeter.

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February 23, 2010 8:41 PM   

Health CARE? I thought it was a bill pretending to regulate insurance, you know like how we pretend to regulate the rest of the financial industry.

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February 23, 2010 8:58 PM    in reply to bluebell

How many post have you made demanding the bills provide generous support for comparative effectiveness research. How many posts on the need to revamp the medicare payment rules to encourage quality of care over quantity of care? I waiting for your essay extolling the virtues of experimenting with other delivery system reforms like encouraging medical homes, and accountable care organizations. I can't wait.

Since when did you have anything to say about health care?


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February 23, 2010 9:29 PM    in reply to Economides

I really hope your grant gets funded.

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February 24, 2010 2:33 AM    in reply to bluebell

Your lack of an answer is duly noted.

And I already work for you.

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February 23, 2010 9:32 PM   

"Congressional Democrats have been breathing a sigh of relief because they say finishing health care is the only way to stave off massive losses this fall."

So in other words, reality struck.

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February 23, 2010 10:06 PM    in reply to leoklein

Dumb idiots. Without a public option voters are going to look at those mandates and think their politicians sold them directly to the insurance monopolies. Staved off massive losses? More like guaranteed them.

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February 23, 2010 9:54 PM   

The Democrats have the votes to pass healthcare without Republican help. What's with the healthcare summit? Just another effort by weak kneed Democrats to blame their lack of nerve on the Republicans? Lame.

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February 24, 2010 12:49 AM    in reply to TJ1

I think it's to embarrass the Republicans -- put them in the spotlight and let the world see they are not serious about reforming healthcare. If they don't show up, Obama can say, "Well, we tried," and they'll pass the bill through reconciliation.

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February 23, 2010 10:48 PM   

The more DC political whores they get on board this piece of crap legislation the more the nation abhores it. The Democratic whores have to be the dumbest ones on earth. The only way they survive November is to include a public option in the healthcare package that all Americans can choose if they wish to. That's the only way, yet Obama and the other weak sisters comprising the DLC/corporate/conservadem wing of the party refuse to back the one feature that makes their legislation popular. Why? Because they cannot bear to be disloyal to their benefactors in the insurance industry... you know, the guys who pay the whores. The whores don't give a rat's ass about the American people and their refusal to even attempt to pass a bill that provides some benefit for the people is irefutable proof.

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February 23, 2010 11:18 PM    in reply to oleeb

What's ironic is that people thinks this is true, yet all estimates are that no one would actually choose the public option.

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February 24, 2010 1:01 AM    in reply to dtOZONE

The fact that a health care reform bill with a public option would, according to the CBO, cost billions less and save over a trillion dollars in health care expenses for Americans means some Americans will choose it.

For those that don't choose it and stay with their current plans, it would stave off yearly double digit increases in premiums and higher deductibles also appears pretty significant to me.

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February 24, 2010 2:36 AM    in reply to mophan

Are you under the impression that government funded health care does not experience the same kind of rapid and unsustainable cost growth as that paid for by private insurers?

The cost of health care is rising and it impacts public and private payers alike.

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February 24, 2010 3:04 AM    in reply to Economides

Right, if Medicare costs rose at the same rate as non-medical inflation (2-3%), then there would be no long term budget crisis.

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February 24, 2010 8:54 AM    in reply to Economides

Economic. No, that is not what I was trying to saying. After rereading my post I see how you might have gotten that impression. I am well aware public funded health care will rise as well. What I was trying to say was with more competition, private insurance would have to hold their cost increases down to be able to better compete against the public plan. The bill as is, offers no such incentive for cost control.

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February 24, 2010 1:20 AM    in reply to dtOZONE

If that were even close to being true then the insurance interests wouldn't be so fearful of it. But they are and for good reason. A well structured public option would kick ass and millions of us would choose it immediately because it would be cheaper and provide better coverage due to not having the burden of leaching as much profit as possible out of the people paying the premiums.

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February 23, 2010 11:46 PM    in reply to oleeb

The nation doesn't abhor it. It's the Republican party and its subsidiary the tea party groups that hate it. Abhor is just the language the party uses to describe their opposition, kind of like tax and spend, death taxes, and save. Is there anything that they like that doesn't start with I, me, my?

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February 24, 2010 1:25 AM    in reply to acf_ma

The nation does indeed abhor the monstrosity the DLC/corporate Democrats bill that came out of the Senate because the people know it is a special interest gift basket that provides more goodies for the insurance and allied interests than it does for the people. The people will be forced to buy private insurance, they'll be stuck with whatever plans their employers decide to provide as they are now, there is nothing in the bill that will keep costs down so people will continue to pay skyrocketing premiums for less coverage. It's a bad deal for the people and yes, they abhor it because they know what it is and it isn't for them.

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February 24, 2010 2:48 AM    in reply to oleeb

You actually don't get it do you?

Under the status quo you are doomed to pay more and more every year whether you have private insurance, or are on Medicare, or you can go to the VA. Only those who get charitable care, and Native Americans using Indian health Service facilities are safe from that gruesome fact.

If you already work for an employer that provides a group health plan then you are in the same boat as before the legislation except you get the benefit of not having to pay the hidden tax that goes to cover care for the uninsured, and you get the advantage for the delivery system reforms as they take effect.

If you work for an employer that has no group plan, or is a small business, or you get individual coverage, or your employer drops coverage and you are forced to buy an individual policy then you will be able to buy on the exchange at group rates instead of individual rates. You will be guaranteed coverage no matter your health. You won't be able to be dropped. Most people on the individual or small group market will see large savings and will have much better security. If you qualify for a subsidy you are getting a pure benefit.

The only people who are worse off are the people who today are healthy and refuse to buy insurance even though they can afford it. And they are selfish fucks who make it more expensive for every one else.

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February 23, 2010 11:57 PM   

"To Finish It Off", Great choice of words. The trouble is it is not a pie or cake, it future of our economy. I get the felling there are many bloger here that have never make a big decision and most likely never will.

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February 24, 2010 12:12 AM   

Anthem rate hike - dumb like a fox. Anthem knows they are better off with a mandate bill than without a bill, and took the PR hit to get it - without the PO.

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February 24, 2010 2:49 AM    in reply to TJ1

So you don't understand what adverse selection is?

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February 24, 2010 11:00 AM    in reply to Economides

I believe the risk adjuster mechanisms in the Senate bill are weak.

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February 24, 2010 11:03 AM    in reply to Tanjaoui

...sorry...and there are no monitoring or enforcement provisions to ensure application of risk adjusters...

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February 24, 2010 8:34 AM    in reply to TJ1

I don't think the insurance companies were all that worried about the very limited public option offered by the House bill.

The public option appearing in actual legislation is more symbolic than people realize--still important as a first step, but not robust enough on the outset to be the alpha and the omega of reform that people think.

If the Senate does accomplish the passage of a public option, most of you who desperately want it will be loudly disappointed at how restricted it is, and you won't have sense enough to look down the field and see how it paves the way for improvements in the future.

This is not the last piece of healthcare legislation this nation will ever see. It's big, though, and we need it.

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February 24, 2010 12:47 AM   

P.O. whiners sound like Glen Beck now.
compromise is not a dirty word.
so sit back and enjoy the reconciliation.

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February 24, 2010 1:45 AM   

Wow:

Congressional Democrats say....

Democrats are saying....

with Congressional and Washington sources telling us....

Democrats are saying....

What's more, Democrats cited polls....

Congressional Democrats have been breathing a sigh of relief because they say....

a House Democratic aide said.....

A Democratic strategist familiar with inner-workings of the White House told me....

Others said....

Hill sources tell us....

Congressional aides say....

Aides said Obama....

Seems to me once upon a time many in the blogosphere would consider an article implying that many anonymous sources as the evilest deed a MSM journalist could possibly commit. How times have changed!

While I never agreed with that kvetch, because I always like political gossip from people in the loop, and consider myself able to handle the fact that the sources might have an ulterior motive or another agenda, I've got to say this example is really pretty over the top, almost hilarious. It sounds like a parody of that type of article by The Onion or similar. You only have one named source here, Rep. Slaughter, but to this reader, you seem to imply like 10's, if not 100's, of other sources, all anonymous!

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February 24, 2010 4:28 AM    in reply to artappraiser

Indeed -- congrats TPM, you're now funding standard D.C. reporting. Anonymous sources, inside baseball, clueless attitude toward whether a piece of policy is good or bad -- it's all there. "How the White House refocused" ... on a highly controversial legislation that many on the left have come to oppose. This bill might help me later, I'll grant that; but not without robbing all of us sooner. This is all fucked.

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February 24, 2010 5:59 AM    in reply to Daniel Doyle

There's not a whole lot of there there. Basically, it seems like after Massachussets Obama got together with leadership of both Houses and had a day long talking marathon, and got nowhere.

So he decided to drop it for a month until they came to their senses. In the meantime, he worked on undermining Republican messaging.

Once Congress came to it's senses and tried to pass something, Obama made his move.

The whole thing about Obama taking a vacation is kind of senseless. I'm sure he urged them, vigorously urged them after the Massachussets election to pass the damn bill and then get to work on reconciliation, but they wouldn't do it.
He can't make them do it, so he gave up for a while.

What else could he do?

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February 24, 2010 3:07 PM    in reply to philogratis

I think you are right on with this. Too many of us succumb to magical thinking regarding what Obama is actually in a position to do. What he can actually do, he increasing seems to be doing well.

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February 24, 2010 2:29 AM   

God, what a coward Obama is. I'm ashamed that he leads the party.

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February 24, 2010 2:50 AM    in reply to MNPundit

For what it's worth, I am ashamed you are a member of the party.

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February 24, 2010 8:41 AM    in reply to Economides

I;m with you but MNPun is no democrat. You can smell the trolls a mile away.

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February 24, 2010 8:23 AM   

I'm not sure how much LBJ bargained away, but I have read that at least in regard to the Civil Rights law, he had MLK in the white house to explain the legislative realities, and to coordinate with King's public demonstrations. As for Medicare, you need to remember that in LBJ's day, there were adults in the republican party. Furthermore, LBJ was an absolute master of politics in the Senate. He knew all the important players there, and he knew how to persuade them. In contrast, no one in the current white house has any legislative depth at all, so I'm not too surprised at the number of blunders we've seen. Finally, I wouldn't compare this round with previous ones in terms of difficulty. The health coverage crisis is much worse, as exemplified by the very significant public support across the political spectrum for reforms (including the public option). In light of this, in my view, this administration has really blundered to the finish line, and it remains to be seen whether they cross it. I certainly hope so, and I hope they learn something from it. Rahm is out of his depth and needs help from someone with lots more experience in the legislative process.

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February 24, 2010 8:46 AM    in reply to rbe1

Emanuel has loads of legislative experience, but it's all in the House, where the leadership has a lot more clout (still nothing compared to the good old days, when House leadership ruled by what we have since decided are corrupt means).

Obama was a senator; I think he himself decided how to handle the Senate on this. I'm not sure if he did well or poorly. After all, he did get the HCR legislation closer to the finish line than anyone else ever has.

Bill Clinton tried to accomplish HCR by presenting his own plan to Congress and pushing it himself--using the bully pulpit and assuming a very high profile--only to have the legislation attacked and destroyed from all sides.

Obama's strategy of letting Congress take the lead also kept the pressure and the spotlight on them. Bill Clinton's (laudable) attempt focused all attention on him and allowed Congress to sabotage reform without suffering any political cost to them.

The proof of the strategy will be in passage or non-passage of a bill. If it gets passed, Obama's strategy will be the best one.

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February 24, 2010 8:53 AM    in reply to rbe1

I should have said, Congress sabotaged Clinton's HCR at no immediate cost to themselves as individual politicians.

I haven't done a survey of which Democrats lost in 1994, but I think you would have to do that before you could proclaim that a failure of healthcare reform in 1993 resulted in the loss of control of Congress.

We certainly can say that failed HCR damaged the Democratic "brand" in 1994, but some Democrats glory in running against the brand, as we have seen this past year (Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln).

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February 24, 2010 8:55 AM    in reply to rbe1

And there was no 24-hour cable television or internet to jump on every story and cause havoc. They could work on legislation and deals with less transparency.

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February 24, 2010 1:17 PM    in reply to rbe1

Joe Biden has no legislative depth? And for what it's worth, Obama has been in the legislature for over a decade, which is a lot more than any of the 7 or 8 presidents before him.

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February 24, 2010 8:49 AM   

I think Zonk's analysis of the Clinton health care debacle is good, and it explains a lot why Obama went the route he did. There are certainly things I would prefer in this bill that aren't in there right now, but it's still a very big improvement over the current system (if it passes). For a century presidents have tried to pass comprehensive health care reform and have been beaten every time by entrenched, powerful interests. If it were easy, this would have passed decades ago. But all the pulling of hair and gnashing of teeth among purity liberals -- there's no public option! no single payer system! this is a giveaway to insurance companies! -- will obscure this accomplishment and the very good things in the package. And it will obscure another key fact -- once major reform is passed, it's far easier to pass other changes over time that make it even better. For the life of me, I can't understand the shortsightedness of some folks.

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February 24, 2010 9:03 AM    in reply to HCTexas

Neither can I but as you can see there is plenty of shortsightedness here. Almost pathetic.

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February 24, 2010 8:51 AM   

President and Senate Democrats Ready to Enshrine Current "World's Most Costly" Health Care System Embedding It with Government Subsidies and Bailing it Out with "Mandated Customers"

Here's where he and the nation started in June of 2009:

“A mere seven months ago (that would be around June 2009), The New York Times/CBS poll found that 72% of Americans ‘supported a government-administered insurance plan—something like Medicare for those under 65—that would compete for customers with private insurers.’”

Now, we have no reform at all - simply the current wasteful, costly, inefficient system on Federal steroids. Now, we may have a system protected and further enshrined in law ..., a system that will cost more and that we will all be required (Required to pay for) through either our taxes, a fine or 'mandated premiums'.

Question: If we're going to have to pay, then why must the Democrats create a system that makes us waste our money?

Answer: The Democrats must reward the insurance lobby, and to do so they must reject meaningful reform.

From where we started until now, Obama has rejected single payer; stiff-armed the government option; mandated individuals make premium payments to private sector insurers under threat of fine or other punishment; assured tax payers money would be funneled to private sector insurers in the form of 'subsidies'; stipulated (by law) that private sector health insurers can spend as little as 80 cents of every 100 cents on actual health care services, while spending up to 20 cents of every 100 cents on lobbying, 'sympathetic' candidates, CEO bonuses, 'administration' and fighting your claim for treatment.

The 'reform' the Senate Democrats are proposing is no reform at all.

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February 24, 2010 9:12 AM    in reply to bill

The big question is why couldn't we pass Medicare for everyone.

Yes, it's simple to understand and technically it's just an expansion of a large program we already have.

The problem is that this kind of legislation would put most insurance companies out of business altogether, and Americans are leary of destroying an industry with a government program.

Now, if you ask me, healthcare shouldn't be insured, just paid for. Health insurance just exists to suck money away from paying for actual healthcare.

But no matter how much you demonize health insurance companies (and no matter how much they help by being incredible jerks), Americans don't want to use the government to put private companies out of business.

This is not just a question of corruption (insurers giving big money to whoever is in power), but also of market ideology. And somehow, we don't seem to have developed a sense that some things are better and more efficiently done by the government. We really don't have the language or the culture for making that case, though evidence of it is all around us.

So I think we should work on that rather than putting all our energy into convincing people that the only reason decisions are made is because people are being paid off. There is an ideological question at stake here, too.

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February 24, 2010 9:42 AM    in reply to mrut

But no matter how much you demonize health insurance companies (and no matter how much they help by being incredible jerks), Americans don't want to use the government to put private companies out of business.

Exactly and neither does Obama want to put companies out of business. You cannot explain this to the folks here - it;s all shortsightedness.

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February 24, 2010 9:55 AM   

Damn, talk about counting your chickens before they hatch. Nearly done my ass. The votes are not there in the House and everyone knows it. Hell even Steny Hoyer said publicly that he doubted this would pass. There is an excellent article in the Washington Post about the chances of the bill passing:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/23/AR2010022303785.html

The triumphalism about a bill passing when the only one's cheering are liberal leadership is premature, to say the least.

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February 24, 2010 12:22 PM   

Social security did not cover everyone it now covers when it was enacted. Coverage has been extended over the years. Pass the bill, pass the reconciliation fix, and make changes as problems arise and as people get accustomed to the new normal. Probably the next thing being to lower eligibility for Medicare; this is easily sold as a way to open up the job market by allowing all of the people between 55 and 65 who are eligible for social security but are waiting for Medicare to kick in before they retire (me for one.)

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February 24, 2010 2:15 PM   

jobs, jobs, jobs. no jobs, no healthcare. no jobs, no democrats left in congress. obama spent all his capital on healthcare, while if he spent it on jobs healthcare would have flown through congress. as usual, the dems did things ass backwards. jimmy carter strikes again. what a waste. imagine what could have been if obama wasn't so arrogant. he mis-read his mandate, he thought it was about him, it wasn't, it was against bush. now, its over. prepare for a republican takeover. lord help us.

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