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Grover Norquist's Group Totally (Hearts) Ryan's Social Security-Slashing Budget

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A real split is developing between fiscal conservative groups and Congressional Republicans as Rep. Paul Ryan's budget "roadmap" gets more attention.

GOP leaders in the House have said again and again that even though Ryan is their chief budget writer and he'll be the one to offer their alternative spending plan this spring, what he produced showing massive Social Security and Medicare cuts is not their official plan.

But we keep talking to conservatives who are asking in earnest, Why not?

Adding to the Club for Growth and top McCain economic adviser we wrote about earlier, Grover Norquist's Americans for Tax Reform is a "big supporter" of the Ryan roadmap.

"What's not to like here?" Ryan Ellis, tax policy director for Americans for Tax Reform told TPMDC, citing large tax and spending cuts.

He says in Ryan's defense:




It's important to note that the Roadmap plan is unique. Nobody in either party (least of all the Obama Administration, which has no plan beyond the next decade) has put forward a comprehensive, pan-governmental reform bill like this. It reforms the tax system, budgeting, Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. If you continued this plan long enough, it would even pay off the national debt. It does it all.

Ellis said Democratic arguments about the Social Security cuts in the plan are "over the top."

"Getting a quarterly 401(k) style statement from the Social Security Administration is hardly turning Grandma's pension check over to Bernie Madoff," Ellis said. "As reforms go, it should be no more radical than your 401(k) at work or your Roth IRA."

Both Ellis and Holtz-Eakin argued for a real debate on how to reform entitlement spending, an issue that has long been a political football in Washington.

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February 5, 2010 4:08 PM   

For those of you who thought the Dems were going to get their asses handed to them in November, I offer you Exhibit A on why that's not going to happen. Republicans wouldn't be Republicans without their gift for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. They're going to go around spouting this as the key to saving the country and the country's reaction is going to be "Holy freaking shit!!!! These guys are NUTS!!!". People may be unsure about Obama and the Dems, but they're going to be very sure about the Republicans. They're going to get a sobering reminder of why they don't want them anywhere near the levers of power.

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February 5, 2010 4:31 PM   

My wife's quarterly 401(k) statement has been pretty scary the past two years. Meanwhile, my social security check and medicare coverage are rock solid.

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February 5, 2010 4:49 PM    in reply to sunnysteve

There you go, focusing your attention on silly things like reality, rather than listening to the talking points. How ever will you learn to be a good little drone if you insist on thinking for yourself?

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February 6, 2010 4:19 PM    in reply to Lok52

+1

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February 5, 2010 5:28 PM   

Why isn't Grover Norquist in jail for his part in the Abramoff corruption? He was taking kickbacks from his buddy Jack.

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February 5, 2010 5:33 PM   

Grover Norquist: Bringing teh stoopid since 1985

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February 5, 2010 7:16 PM   

The GOP is ****ed now. Either reject the Ryan budget and be anathematized by the far right or embrace the Ryan budget and look like an imbecile.

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February 6, 2010 7:36 AM    in reply to Ethan

The "funny" thing is, Norquist's concept, to "shrink government so small you can drown it in a bathtub" is the geographic center to the whole Reagan Voodoo Economics/Reagan Revolution plan since 80. Yeah. Right. Leave everything to state governments, which can't run deficits and have zero chance to compete against the power of multi-national corporations that have budgets the size of small countries — leaving us all relying on the sheer beneficence of those multi-nationals to bring us quality (re)education, health care, security for our golden years (read that: never able to retire) and response to natural disasters. Oh, and having policing and fire-fighting become for-profit industries themselves.

That is their "roadmap," their vision of our future. Since 1) We the People is the government in our democratic republic, 2) "Government does not solve problems; it is the problem," then 3) We the Peole can not solve our own problems or take care of ourselves, but the influence of our democracy needs to be shrunk so small it can be drowned in their sh*t-filled bathtub.

This revolution is against the democracy of our founders. It is against the basic functioning of our government. Think not? Look what they've done to the senate.

After all, according to the Constitution's preamble, one of the many core functions representing creation of "a more perfect union" requires our government (We) to "promote the general Welfare."

A simple look in the dictionary defines "welfare" (first/most-general meaning) as, "health, happiness, or prosperity; well-being." That is the contextual definition at the time the founders wrote the preamble and constituion as well.

Meaning? All these neos, and their revolution kicked off by Reagan, are focused on their hatred for the fundamental principles of our country. This revolution, and any accompannying "roadmap" is, and has always been, aimed at changing this country to something very different: A corporatocracy, where the entire direction of the country's policies and fruits of production are aimed at enriching a small oligarchical band of private individuals, not all of whom are even citizens of this country, and where the "problem" of "We" is solved by stealing away all our power and forcing us to only be sweatshop workers supporting their greed.

I'm just sayin... .

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February 7, 2010 1:15 PM    in reply to TheRealFish

Great post. The dems have been given a great opportunity to remind voters what exactly Republicans want. They are not about supporting the Middle Class. Republicans need to be defined. And I would love to see some town halls this summer where people proclaim Republicans want to pull the plug on granny's social security. Signs read...GOP Death Panels: Work till you die. Let's beat them at their own game.

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February 5, 2010 7:19 PM   

This Ryan guy looks like one of the Mengele kids.

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February 5, 2010 8:27 PM   

How can you look at that pic of Ryan and not want to beat the fucking shit out of him?

People actually vote for a little shit like this to represent them? If someone showed up on my doorstep looking like that and had the nerve to ask for my vote, I'd blow his fucking brains out.

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February 6, 2010 8:32 AM    in reply to chriss1519

"People actually vote for a little shit like this to represent them?"

Well...sure. They fool fools into believing they represent all things that are 180 degrees away from what they actually functionally do when they get in office (e.g., serving the best interests of the government is the meme they sell, but killing the functioning of the Constitutional government is what every one of their actions aim at). They sell snake oil to the gullible, whom they keep gullible and vulnerable through terrorist fear-mongering tactics. They force government to not work, then channel the resulting anger and frustration of people with the dysfunctional government they created back toward the ones who actually want to fix it. And their "solution" for making it functional once more is to rely on the very operating principles that killed its functionality in the first place.

They've got a compliant corporate mass media — CMM — (they've been busily and quietly buying up over the past 30 years) to totally support their talking points and other memes to help sway the now-fear-driven masses into buying more of the snake oil that made everyone sick in the first place.

And we can't pooh-pooh the overwhelming influence of that CMM, or we do so at our peril. I mean, really: What is the single biggest political "story" or "news" of this whole past year? I suggest (having actually been a reporter at one time in my checkered past) the Big Story of the year is: The Republican obstruction machine is totally crippling the functioning of government through unprecedented and historic abuse of Senate rules, an obstruction that essentially halts government action at a time of crisis so severe it poses a threat to the very stability of our country.

How many times has this story been discussed by Brian Williams? By Katy Couric? By Charlie Gibson/Diane Sawyer? Any of the other major players?

Not so much. Or they treat it as a lighter piece, some "aren't those guys/gals rascals, though?" fluff piece at best.

It's also really tempting to blame Dems for not trumpeting these truths — and there have been many who do. But what good does all that trumpet blowing do when these CMM meat puppets ignore the trumpet blasts in favor of conservative talking points?

I mean really. When these pukes admit straight-up out-loud that they refuse to participate in governance, why do the CMM types have them on their chat shows so often? They refuse to participate in democratic governance, so why is it important to listen to anything they have to say? Yet there is an endless parade of them, spouting clear, provable lies that go completely unchallenged by the CMM talking heads. And the Low Information viewers are left with the impression (since their lies are not challenged) that these lies must have some validity, that theirs is a constructive part of the narrative of current events.

Even the few "good ones" (talking-head-types, that is) do it. I see Ed Schultz talking to a repuke spouting known and knowable lies in some interview and Ed's response: "Sure."

So, yeah: People vote for them. The 4th Estate is as dysfunctional as the Senate and SCOTUS by now — and a lot of people still rely on their "news" to help decide who to vote for or whether they will even get out to vote.

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February 6, 2010 6:52 PM    in reply to TheRealFish

More than half way to hell? Astounding. Fourth Estate, Presidency, Congress (made up of the Senate and Congress) and SCOTUS. Five pieces, three of which have gone to the dark side. The odds don't sound too good...

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February 5, 2010 11:21 PM   

Social Security is not our personal, government managed pension plan. It is a government financed plan designed to keep the elderly from slipping into destitution when they can no longer work. The mistake started in the 80s, when they started with the annual 'report' listing a taxpayer's annual payments into the SS system, and the monthly payment they could expect when they retired. It gave the impression that it was their personal pension, which, in fact, it is not. This is not your 401k, not a defined benefit pension, and although government run, not the same thing that government employees, from janitors to Senators, can expect when they retire.

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June 12, 2010 5:29 PM   

The "funny" thing is, Norquist's concept, to "shrink government so small you can drown it in a bathtub" is the geographic center to the whole Reagan Voodoo Economics/Reagan Revolution plan since 80. Yeah. Right. Leave everything to state governments, which can't run deficits and have zero chance to compete against the power of multi-national corporations that have budgets the size of small countries — leaving us all relying on the sheer beneficence of those multi-nationals to bring us quality (re)education, health care, security for our golden years (read that: never able to retire) and response to natural disasters. Oh, and having policing and fire-fighting become for-profit industries themselves.

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