
For the first time since the Massachusetts special election last month, Democratic leaders in Congress have signaled an agreement in principle on a way to finally pass health care reform, despite the loss of their filibuster-breaking 60th vote in the Senate. However, though both House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid appear to have settled on an overall framework, they have backed off a timeline for reaching a workable solution as they resolve some outstanding procedural issues.
Emerging from a meeting with Pelosi yesterday, Reid acknowledged that the most likely scenario for passing reform is what has come to be known as Plan B: Congress would preemptively pass an amending bill through the 51-vote budget reconciliation process, allowing the House to adopt the Senate bill word for word.
"That seems like a strong possibility," Reid said.
That puts him in agreement with House leaders, who say they can't pass the Senate bill until the reconciliation process is completely wrapped up.
"Don't even ask us to consider passing the Senate bill until the other legislation has passed both houses so that we're sure that it has happened, and that we know that what we would be voting for would be as effected by a reconciliation bill or whatever parliamentary initiative they have at their disposal," Pelosi said yesterday.
That leaves unresolved two major questions: When and how? Last week, both House and Senate leaders said they believed they'd have answers for anxious reformers by the end of this week. But yesterday, they backed away from that self-imposed deadline.
"We hope to be in a position in the near future--don't put me down as to days or number of weeks--to move forward health care," Reid said at his press conference yesterday afternoon.
Senate aides also say there's a potential procedural problem: The Senate rules may not allow the upper chamber to pass a bill which amends legislation that hasn't been signed into law. Yesterday, Reid suggested that the House's powerful Rules Committee gives the lower chamber more leeway to push through legislation than the Senate has. But Pelosi yesterday insisted that objection doesn't meet muster.
"It is not an obstacle to this path forward," she said.
Moose49
February 3, 2010 9:07 AM
Now. By any means necessary. Just get it done.
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Steve LaBonne
February 3, 2010 9:08 AM
Harry, STFU and just get the package of fixes done. (And enough of the bullshit excuses fro these anonymous aides- tell them to STFU while you're at it.) It's the only way this will happen. At least you'll end your career on a high note rather than with an abject failure.
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Maritza
February 3, 2010 9:31 AM
The deadline is April so we know the when. It has to be before the 2011 budget is voted on which typically happens in April.
Pelosi's aids have now signaled according to Politico that the House knows it will have to go first.
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jim43
February 3, 2010 9:34 AM
All this hand-wringing from the Dems is getting ridiculous. Why not make "plan B" single-payer, pass it via reconciliation and get it over with?
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog
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TBender
February 3, 2010 9:40 AM in reply to jim43
Maybe because there aren't 50 votes currently for single-payer? And fewer once you use reconciliation to do it?
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FreeRider
February 3, 2010 10:33 AM in reply to TBender
Now, now, now! Don't go bothering him with facts about not having 50 votes. We won't even mention that single payer can't be done through reconciliation.
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Rich in NJ
February 3, 2010 9:44 AM
They should pass the Senate bill as is, then work on fixing it.
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kmac
February 3, 2010 11:44 AM in reply to Rich in NJ
I disagree ... what ever gets passed will be considered "We passed a bill now on to something else ...tired of this game!" It will be put on the back shelf for forever. As far as I am concerned we will not have passed Health Care Reform until we have a Single Payer Option. Scrap this one and start from scratch. It maybe would not happen for awhile but once passed it will be what most of us want.
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Steaming Pile
February 3, 2010 11:52 AM in reply to kmac
The thing is, if the progressives feel as strongly as they say they do about their objections to the Senate bill, fixing a bill that has already been signed into law should meet far less resistance than the original bill did. There would be nothing to be gained in the Senate from filibustering it other than the Republicans' apparent desire to look even more foolish than they already do, and I don't think this is universal.
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Rich in NJ
February 3, 2010 2:07 PM in reply to kmac
This bill will prevent thousands from going bankrupt as a result of a medical issue, it will subsidize premiums for millions of American families, it will prevent people from being discriminated against as a result of pre-existing conditions, and it will demonstrate that Democrats can govern.
If a single payer system ever has any chance of being enacted in your lifetime, that is a necessary condition precedent.
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EastWest
February 3, 2010 9:46 AM
I'm still trying to figure out if Harry is really as stupid and weak as he seems. Guess I'm an optimist.
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bluemeanie
February 3, 2010 9:50 AM
Next up: figuring out how to stop DeMint and his no-nos from technically filibustering reconciliation by offering endless, useless amendments
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SFCWallace
February 3, 2010 11:05 AM in reply to bluemeanie
Just read the article you linked to...
"Reid or another Democrat could make a point of order that using amendments to stall a reconciliation bill violates the spirit of the Budget Act of 1974, which sets up for expedited consideration of budget-related bills."
WTF?!? No more then the Dems use of reconciliation violates the spirit of the Senate rules...
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human
February 3, 2010 11:22 AM in reply to SFCWallace
passing budget related measures via reconciliation doesn't violate the spirit of the rules.
but you know what does? firing the parliamentarian when he won't allow you to do whatever you want via reconciliation, like your fellow Repubs did.
oh wait I forgot, IOKIYAR.
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SFCWallace
February 3, 2010 11:34 AM in reply to human
Dude, you know as well as I do that the only reason Dems are considering reconciliation for this mess is because it can't pass through the normal process. Everything can be called "budget related" if you want it to be. If Republicans were doing this y'all would be going berzerk!...well more berzerk than you are about the public option going down the toilet.
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Steaming Pile
February 3, 2010 11:55 AM in reply to SFCWallace
You mean like the Bush tax cuts? IOKIYAR.
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ogliberal
February 3, 2010 1:07 PM in reply to SFCWallace
If Republicans can use a Senate rule - cloture/filibuster - to stop a revised bill coming back to the Senate from the House, what's wrong with the Dems using a Senate rule - reconciliation - to fix the Senate bill rather than have a revised Senate bill come back to the Senate? Other than things like impeachment and amending the Constitution, the Constitution has nothing in it requiring 60 votes for passing legislation. All of these are creations of the Senate that can be changed by the Senate.
Here's the deal. The GOP is willing to use it's 41 votes - which represent about 37% of Americans - to prevent that passage of a bill supported by 59 votes, representing about 63% of the country. (Yeah, I know that a majority/plurality of Americans oppose the bill but you don't alway base your votes on public opinion polls, especially on big, controversial bills like civil rights or healthcare reform. You do what you think is right and hope that the voters agree with you once the law is put into action. If they don't agree with you, they can vote you out and the other party can change what you did once they regain power.) To get around this, the Dems are going to use reconciliation to fix the bill with a simple majority, which is the only thing the Constitution requires. Remember, the Dems aren't proposing putting the entire bill through reconciliation nor are they talking about adding in a public option (which can be passed through reconciliation). They're just trying to fix some of the problems with the Senate bill, some of which - eg, the Cornhusker Compromise - are things that nobody likes, regardless of party.
And sorry but I don't recall any Dems are anybody on the left raising a stink about Bush pushing legislation through reconciliation. There were complaints about the legislation itself - eg, the tax cuts - but not the process by which it was passed. Those things Bush passed through reconciliation got the necessary 51 (or more) votes. That's good enough for me even if I didn't like what passed. This 60 vote threshold is getting ridiculous. I can see it being necessary re: judicial appointments where somebody is being put onto the bench, basically, for life. But for just plain old legislation that can be changed later on? It's getting out of hand.
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BossDrop
February 3, 2010 10:13 AM
Well its good to see. At least the Dems are smart enough to know they could not let HCR go down in flames. Reconciliation eh?, should be an interesting spring.
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Scarce
February 3, 2010 10:15 AM
Harry Reid has about 9 months left in his Senate career. Either he gets something passed or he's through, and his legacy will rival Tom Daschle's for ineptness. It really is that simple.
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AnswerFrog
February 3, 2010 10:16 AM
Let's see if they have 51 spines left in the Senate.
It's becoming a real Axis of Weasels up there.
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Powkat
February 3, 2010 12:04 PM in reply to AnswerFrog
Only need 50 - Biden can be the 51st.
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NoVA Dem
February 3, 2010 10:29 AM
Write (or Call)
Your
Senator
Tell them to support this effort, get them in line and let them know some parts of the party are still paying attention. Threaten votes, threaten primary challenges. Let's get this over the line. If no one shows support, no one on the Hill will care.
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Sportin' Life
February 3, 2010 10:55 AM
What, specifically, are the "fixes" to be included? Wouldn't that qualify as a major unresolved question?
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hopeful still
February 3, 2010 12:57 PM
Stop the Alphonse and Gaston Act: LEAD!
The Pelosi-Reid impasse unfortunately begins to look like a greater concern about relative power than about getting the job done for the country. I don't think that is true, necessarily, but these two leaders are at a critical point to show what leadership actually means.
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Turnaround
February 3, 2010 6:09 PM
I got notice yesterday from Anthem/Blue Cross in Cali stating that they are hiking my PPO from $1200 to $1700 per month! (For a married couple, self-employed, no kids, early 50s, decent health).
That's a 40% increase!
Are they tracking my lefty comments on blogs? What, Scott Brown gets elected and five minutes later they're already sticking it to me?
Five hundred bucks more per month! In this economy?
We need a public option, or better single payer, or at least a medicare buy-in at 50...something...tax write-offs of insurance expenses, taken against war spending...something...and we need it NOW!
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