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Long Odds: Can The Public Option Really Survive The Senate?


(clockwise from top left) Sen. Michael Bennet (D-CO), Sen. Maj. Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), President Barack Obama, Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)

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The push to revive the public option suffered a major setback today when White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said the popular measure lacks the 50 votes it would need in the Senate to survive the budget reconciliation process. Gibbs' abruptness caught Senate Dem leadership by surprise, but what he said isn't really at odds with their own take. And yet, the number of public proponents of the plan keeps growing, and it's easy to remember a time when it seemed pretty clear that there were at least 50 votes for a public option in the Senate.

So what are the public option's chances in the Senate? Ostensibly, they're not very good.

"I think the public option ought to be done, but it's a long shot," said Sen. Arlen Specter (D-PA). Specter is one of 23 signatories to a letter advocating passing the public option by way of reconciliation, so he has his eyes wide open. And there's some reason to believe this. The public option had four ardent Democratic opponents during the long fight over the Senate bill this past fall and winter: Sens. Ben Nelson (D-NE), Mary Landrieu (D-LA), Blanche Lincoln (D-AR), and Joe Lieberman (I-CT).

Starting from 59 votes, that means the Democrats have a maximum of 55 votes for a public option now. But there are some members who still might demur. Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) says he's not inclined to support the push. Sen. Tom Carper (D-DE) says he does not support using reconciliation to enact a public option. Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN) has been lukewarm at best to the idea of passing anything through reconciliation.

That's 53. Then there are other moderates and vulnerable Dems who--particularly in the wake of the Massachusetts election--might not have the stomach for playing hardball with a polarizing measure like the public option. On this score, think Senators like Jim Webb (D-VA), Mark Begich (D-AK), Mark Warner (D-VA), Mark Pryor (D-AR), and several others. Clearly it's conceivable to imagine the final tally being below the necessary 50.

A top Senate Democratic aide put it to me this way. "We're not willing to go down the same path I think that we went down in December where we see things fall apart over one specific provision."

"When you look at the vote tally, it looks like it's close," the aide went on. "I think that we're still dealing with the--the caucus has been strained as a result of what happened in the Massachusetts election, and since then we've also had so many senators say that they're retiring. We're in a weird spot and I think people are afraid of rocking the boat."

So what does that mean. For the time being, it means that, lacking institutional backing from the White House and Senate leadership, the public option can only win the day if outside groups manage to make it seem dangerous and inexcusable not to pass it. As Adam Green, the co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committe, told me "Ultimately we want to get to 50 [signatories]. Our short term goal is to get to 40 which would build an air of inevitability around this. At this rate, we're picking up one or two a day, a week from now we should be approaching 40."

So far, 23 have signed. There are certainly some strong public option advocates who have not signed on--in part because of the Thursday health care summit. They and others may join on later. But it's a long way to 50. Still, keep an eye on that effort.

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February 23, 2010 7:32 PM   

Correction: Lieberman is not a democrat. I believe he's in the Quisling Party?

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February 23, 2010 7:35 PM   

Can it survive the Senate? I hope so or they won't have their seats come next November and this country will continue its decline into irrelevance.

According to Quinnipiac, support for the Public Option sits at 59%! That includes 34% of Republicans in favor of it.

With numbers like that in favor, Dems had better pass it or start looking for work at their favorite lobbying firms. That is the beauty of it though. No matter what they do, they make out like kings, while we all suffer.

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February 23, 2010 8:18 PM    in reply to JorgeOrwell

Do Obama's advisors, like Rahm and Axelrod, hide these numbers from him?

Its sad. Obama is oblivious to the pulse of the country.

If he pressured the Senate, the Public Option would be done deal.

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February 23, 2010 11:12 PM    in reply to Tommy Douglas

I guess this is why they never supported the Public Option. They struck a deal, much like the one with PHRMA all the way back in August,

According to The NY Times:

"Several hospital lobbyists involved in the White House deals said it was understood as a condition of their support that the final legislation would not include a government-run health plan paying-Medicare rates...or controlled by the secretary of health and human services. 'We have an agreement with the White House that I'm very confident will be seen all the way through conference', one of the industry lobbyists, Chip Kahn, director of the Federation of American Hospitals, told a Capitol Hill newsletter...Industry lobbyists say they are not worried [about a public option.] 'We trust the White House,' Mr. Kahn said."

Corporations interest first, and the people's second. Unbelievable.

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February 24, 2010 1:24 AM    in reply to Tommy Douglas

A PO which pays Medicare rates never even had a pulse in Congress. Hospitals and doctors have a very strong lobby. It's perfectly true.

Funny that nobody will talk about the Dems buckling to greedy doctors, although that's a lot of what this is about. And if nobody is willing to attack doctors for charging too much, how can you win this fight?

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February 24, 2010 9:22 AM    in reply to Tommy Douglas

Do you always ask and answer your own questions?

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February 24, 2010 12:45 PM    in reply to lousgirl84

Do you work for Obama or something? I've never seen someone so defensive of ANYONE in my life. Or is it Harry Reid? I never see a skeptical or analytical thought from you. Always the cheerleader.

It's one thing to be optimistic and quite another to be blind to the facts.

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February 24, 2010 12:02 AM    in reply to Tommy Douglas

He is totally clueless. He is already starting to look like Daddy Bush. Probably isn't aware we have self-scanners at the stores now.

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February 24, 2010 9:26 AM    in reply to JorgeOrwell

For someone who doesn't claim to have a party identification you sure have a lot to say. Are you just one of those people who bitch and complain because it makes you feel good. Sure sounds like it to me. You should get together with IndiePro and Bluebell. You are all made for each other.

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February 24, 2010 10:03 AM    in reply to lousgirl84

So lousgirl, you didn't call Jorge a troll. That's your usual response. Please just go away. Your like a little yapping dog.
This Pres is soooo way in over his head it's gone from surprise to confusion, to depressing, to tragic. At this point there's really not much to say. We're screwed. And stuck. As Sartre put it - No Exit.

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February 24, 2010 12:40 PM    in reply to lousgirl84

What? If your an independent you don't have a say? I say America is lucky to have independent voices out there to help shake the lemmings awake. This country wouldn't exist without independent thinkers like Jefferson, Franklin and Hamilton.

Believe me, we will have plenty to say with our vote next November if this DEMOCRATIC majority congress doesn't get a public option passed and people enrolled by this summer.

You can keep kidding yourself with your cheerleading, but Dems are looking at another brigade of Scott Browns storming the walls if this thing isn't passed pronto!

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February 24, 2010 9:23 AM    in reply to JorgeOrwell

I hear you but the Public Option that people think when they hear the name is nothing like the Public Option that was being considered. Most folks don't have a fucking clue what the Public Option was and by the time it was watered down, everyone here was scrreaming it wasn't good enough and was a piece of crap and now the same folks are screaming for the public option.

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February 24, 2010 1:13 PM    in reply to lousgirl84

We know that. You think we'll just settle for ANY public option? If it doesn't help middle class folks like us, we'll simply not show or vote independent next election.

Do you realize how many Obama campaign volunteers were banking on a Medicare option for ALL when they went to work for the guy in '07? Most of the people I worked with were middle class folks with graduate degrees who were either out of work or teetering on the edge of financial ruin.

I have never campaigned for a candidate and I got out there because I believed we needed an outsider to shake things up and speak up for us.

He has the largest party majority in years in the House and Senate. What does it say about his leadership ability, that he can't get these wildly popular plans through?

Public support for a public option is at 59%! That includes 34% of Republicans in favor! I'm beginning to think Obama never wanted reform. Its looking an awful lot like he is a sellout, who is in it for the lobby money.

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February 23, 2010 7:47 PM   

Can The Public Option Really Survive The Senate? Wrong question.
Can The Public Option Really Survive The President is the question. For some reason(?)the Pres and his minions don't want the PO. There are a lot of answers why but I just don't get it.

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February 24, 2010 1:39 PM    in reply to Cornelius

I'll tell you the reason. Emanuel, Summers and Geithner will make millions if the PO is scrapped.

Don't forget Summers was the Secretary of the Treasury under Clinton. He was the one who convinced him to sign Gramm, Leach, Bliley, which killed Glass-Steagall.

Hmmm. I wonder why?

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February 23, 2010 7:56 PM   

It isn't health care REFORM without a single-payer system covering everyone, let alone a public option plan to bypass the insurance industry.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Principled-Progressive/294994780490?ref=ts

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February 24, 2010 1:20 AM    in reply to jim43

That's upping the ante. Now we've got to scrap the whole bill and go with single payer.

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February 23, 2010 7:56 PM   

Plain and simple ... why don't Obama just come out and admit he already struck a deal with the insurance and phRMA and that he would never allow the public option. At least he would be honest.

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February 23, 2010 8:03 PM   

Once it looked like the PO might actually pass, it became time to bail. After all, the Senators' constituents don't want it. And by constituents, I don't mean the voters.

I guess P.J. O'Rourke was right - it really is A Parliament of Whores.

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February 24, 2010 12:46 AM   

Dear Mr. President:

Health care reform without a public option is no reform at all.

Mr. President, you seem to slipping from a position of leadership, to one of management. Please, take a few minutes to watch this clip from the 1995 movie, The American President, starring Michael Douglas. View it in the context of health care and banking reform, and the malaise that is politics, including the White House. A clip is worth a thousand words.

Thank you.

Link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWRVbWMvi7c

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February 24, 2010 10:11 AM    in reply to Cupertino56

That's the problem. We know Obama can give speeches like the one in the movie clip you linked to. That's the easiest part of leading. But is he willing to roll up his sleeves and do the dirty work? Is he willing to go to each member of Congress and sell the benefits of this bill? Is he willing to make the time and effort to stay ahead of the message and frame the debate to his advantage?

So far, he hasn't.

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February 24, 2010 10:59 AM    in reply to Cupertino56

Wait. You get your politics from movies? You do realize that those people are actors not journalists, and the that they all are paid to register awe when the heroic president finally tells it like it is.

If the president did that in real life, the press would spend the next two months focused solely on the gripping personal conflict between the president and that senator (Bob). There would be no airtime left for even the vaguest hint of a policy debate.

That is the problem with the press and the public: no one wants to hear about policy, especially if you can personalize it and make it into glorified gossip.

Obama is intentionally boring so as not to create one of those stories. Reacting to slights gives the press what they want and dominates the story. Look at Palin, if you don't believe me. The press loves her because everything is personal with her. She gives great copy.

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February 24, 2010 8:28 AM   

I realize health reform is needed, but is public option the answer?

I would try the smaller steps of getting to the public option before turning it into law.

I disagree with mandating medical insurance. If people do not want it, then they should not have to pay for it.

It is going to be another bloated government entitlement that will be misused and abused like the rest we have.

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February 24, 2010 9:17 AM   

I totally agree, Q Jordon, those entitlements need to go away. God, I can't believe we waste millions each year to make sure old people get food and can keep a roof over their heads, Really, does anyone in America still believe people over 60 have a right to live? Please! Time to populate all those freeway underpasses with the old and infirm.

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February 24, 2010 11:04 AM    in reply to numediaman

I know. What's charity for, anyway? The churches and charitable institutions have nothing but time and money on their hands to feed and clothe these people. Let's give them a chance to use it.

The best thing is, they get their money from God, not the taxpayer.

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February 24, 2010 9:54 AM   

Can liberals demand the PO but compromise and get the Medicare Buy-In instead? You know like we almost had last year before Lieberman yanked the rug out from underneath it.

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February 24, 2010 10:02 AM   

Nope. It is going to be very difficult just to get 50 Democratic Senators for reconciliation as it is.

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February 24, 2010 10:25 AM   

Why don't you liberals spice up the bill, if you are requiring Americans to buy health insurance, then they have less money to buy guns!

Obama has already legalized carrying loaded assault weapons to the National Parks, why not give away free ones at the entrance stations for citizens as part of the health bill? Its sure to take the Republicans by surprise and put them on the defensive if they don't back the plan!

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February 25, 2010 1:15 AM   

The requirement is to have a vote on the Senate floor on a reasonable public option. If it doesn't pass, OK; then at least the public will know where each Senator stands on the option.

Maybe opposing it will win some support for Democrats in some states, though I doubt it, and I think every Senator thinking of re-election knows it: if it were to come to a vote, it would pass. Then, where would the reconciliation bill be?--it's unclear.
This is why Jay Rockefeller is having second thoughts, though I still don't think he would vote against it if it came to the floor.

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