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McCain: It Wasn't Just Me -- America Was 'Misled' On TARP (VIDEO)


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Speaking on NBC's Meet The Press this morning, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) repeated his claim that he -- and the entire country -- was lied to about the TARP program in 2007.

Asked about the claim by host David Gregory, McCain was adamant. "We were all misled" by Bush administration Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson, McCain said.

Video of the exchange, and the transcript, after the jump.

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The transcript:
Gregory: One question about the bailout, the TARP. You voted for it. But you said that you were misled by Former Treasury Secretary Paulson. How so?

McCain: We were all misled. We were all misled. I mean, he said that they were going after the toxic assets. The toxic asset-- for-- is-- were with the housing market. He testified-- that. I mean, we were all misled. So, what did he do then? They started pumpin' money into the financial institutions. Now, the financial institutions are fine. Wall Street's doin' great. Main Street is in deep trouble. In my home state of Arizona, 48 percent of the homes are under water. In other words, they're worth less than the mortgage payments people are making.

Gregory: But [Paulson] says without TARP, you'd have 25 percent unemployment. You would have had that.

McCain: He can-- he said-- that they would be going after the toxic assets, which were the housing market. And that's what his testimony was. That's what he pledged to do. And to the American People and to the Congress. And they turned around. I mean, it's a matter of record. It's been reported in all the media. They turned around and switched from trying to address the housing market to bailing out the financial institutions on Wall Street. Whoever thought that we would-- when we passed that, we would own General Motors and Chrysler? GMAC? I mean, it's-- it's-- it-- it's beyond what anyone had anticipated.

As Zack reported last week, McCain's new comments on the federal bailout program, which McCain infamously suspended his campaign help negotiate and pass, seem to contradict what he said about TARP in 2008.

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February 28, 2010 1:24 PM   

The job of a legislator is to write laws. When the legislator votes for a law it is supposed to define what is permisible and what is not. If a legislator votes for a law that doesn't acomplish what it is supposed to that legislator isn't very good at his job.

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February 28, 2010 1:29 PM    in reply to fpie

p.s. Is McCain really complaining that someone in the Bush administration lied. Surprise, surprise, surprise!

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February 28, 2010 4:09 PM    in reply to fpie

1. I was lied to.
2. I was too busy/lazy to read the effing thing.

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March 1, 2010 3:48 PM    in reply to bibimimi

he's always been lazy, from the naval academy where he got in because his father and grandfather were admirals, he graduated in the bottom of his class; to his navy career where they finally told him he would never make admiral so he got out; where he then ran for congress on his new wife's money. he was a lazy congressman, a lazy senator, hell, he was even a lazy presidential candidate. his only accomplishment, which he always reminds us of, is that he was shot down and survived a pow camp 40 years ago. time for this old man to retire. thank him for his service, give him a party, but get him out of washington. he is the problem. i saw officers like him while i was in the military, they kiss the ass of those above them but bully those who are below them. it's all about karma, the navy caught up to him, then the american people did, now perhaps the citizens of arizona will. i read his book, i watched him over the years, he is not a nice man, and he's not the brightest bulb. god, i wish he would go away. he's at the point now where even republicans are laughing at him. i'm a libertarian, so i really dislike him. i've argued with many of you in the past, but on this matter we can agree, mccain is done.

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February 28, 2010 7:50 PM    in reply to fpie

McCain is correct in saying that Congress was misled.

Instead of buying up the sup-prime derivatives from banks - which were freezing up credit markets, within two weeks Paulson said that the valuation process related to those derivatives would be too difficult and time consuming to have the immediate effect that was needed. (To free up credit.)

So instead they recapitalized the banks; they gave them a huge infusion of cash which made the bad assets a smaller portion of their total holdings. So the money went out – but hardly anything changed. In fact banks used the money for just about everything - including new acquisitions - but lending.

McCain is only quisling on two points. There was never any chatter about using the money to stabilize home prices and McCain wasn't called in from the campaign trail by Bush.

You could say that McCain did a bad job as a legislator but no worse than Reid or Pelosi did. They all thought there was a gun to the head of the world economy and they were probably right.

In the first vote on the Bill in the House was defeated and the market tanked almost 800 points in one day. Sound slike economioc armegedon to me.

According to wikiedia:

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March 1, 2010 12:09 AM    in reply to fpie

No, it is the responsibility of the Executive Branch to enforce the law. But look who was in the king's throne.

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February 28, 2010 1:27 PM   

Sure gramps.

By the way, great softballs by repuke gregory to give him an opportunity to spew his lies and talking points. Great non-existent follow-up. Way to not press. Gregory learned well from helping the repuke propoganda machine. He cut his teeth on helping them lie about killing hundreds of thousands of innocents and now he is helping them kill poor and down trodden Americans. Awesome job.

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February 28, 2010 8:06 PM    in reply to Michael A

Totally agree re Gregory and most all other talking heads these days. Both parties and all their minions are free to say whatever they like and no one questions the accuracy. What's sad is that most people don't look into any of the issues for themselves; they just believe what they hear and go from there.

Objectivity is obsolete.

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February 28, 2010 1:41 PM   

Yes, the fact that Gregory did not point out, "Uh, we all knew TARP was for the financial institutions, not housing, so what rock were you under that day?" is shameful.

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February 28, 2010 2:37 PM    in reply to IndyLinda

... Or the more obvious reply, "Who did you think HELD all those toxic assets?!?!?"

It's because the Wall Street firms made bad bets on these toxic assets that they got in trouble to begin with. They held the "toxic assets" so OF COURSE they were going to get the Tarp money.

McCain is either senile or an idiot and either way he is just embarrassing himself on a daily basis now.

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March 1, 2010 8:11 AM    in reply to IndyLinda

Sadder still that Gregory did not follow up and say "But senator, you sat there during the meeting with Bush officials and did not ask one question or make one comment. Do you wish now that you would have?"

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March 1, 2010 10:47 AM    in reply to realist

Gregory is not a journalist, he just plays one on TV.

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February 28, 2010 2:08 PM   

Something else to think about here: Paulson slammed McCain in his book, essentially saying that McCain was clueless about the financial crisis, and didn't have any constructive input when it was a pressing matter.

So, I'm sure McCain is trying to give himself some political cover on those votes (though he may be making things worse while trying to do that). But, I also think he's got an axe to grind with Paulson. I think that axe-grinding is part of the dynamic. McCain's attacking Paulson's credibility, even at the expense of drumming up wild accusations, in an attempt to protect his own.

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February 28, 2010 2:23 PM    in reply to hewhohasnoname

Exactly this. Mccains comments reek of "he badmouthed me, so I'll smear him on national tv". I mean, never mind cover, at some point this starts to sound like grade school playground payback. John McCain is increasingly showing himself to be a petty,petty man.

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February 28, 2010 2:11 PM   

"I was clueless on that issue" seems to be McCain's defense for a lot of critical issues to Americans. He was just about the last person in the country to realize the economy was collapsing in 2008, at the same time he thought we could just "muddle through" in Afghanistan. In fact, he seemed to think that America's biggest issue of 2008 was S. Ossetia.

I guess the real question is if he was even more clueless than Bush.

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March 1, 2010 9:03 AM    in reply to Owen

so he's going for the stupidity defense. I've long heard "ignorance of the law is no excuse," but didn't realize it may have been meant to apply to legislators.

to be fair, though, this defense actually worked for bush right up until the end of his term.

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February 28, 2010 2:13 PM   

he has become what he decried, a politician who will say anything to get elected. i voted for him in two michigan primaries and even sent him money but he has completely compromised his principles beginning in his bid for the presidency. too bad.

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February 28, 2010 4:37 PM    in reply to fred17

When you were sending him money, he was smirking and dissing you to reporters behind your back. Of course, the reporters were so aroused by the attention that they just returned the grotesque old fraud's winks.

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February 28, 2010 2:18 PM   

I'll play Devil's Advocate here.

McCain is bad, but Hayworth is worse, and there's just a chance that a narcissistic prima donna like McCain will be the Republican equivalent of Lieberman, eager to spite the party base which hates him.

Like much of the southwest, Arizona is moving toward the Democrats because of an increasing Hispanic vote. Since we don't seem to have a strong Democratic candidate this year, it would be better for McCain to win one last term and have an open seat race in 2016, rather than have Hayworth running as an incumbent. There's also the possibility, now that campaign finance reform has been gutted by the Supreme Court, that McCain will want to have SOMETHING to show for his third of a century in Washington, something for which he will be remembered, and the only way to do that would be by bucking the Republican establishment.

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March 1, 2010 9:32 AM    in reply to Ron Thompson

It's increasingly a waste of time to dither over two bad options. McCain has so swallowed the party's pure anti-Obama strategy that he'd be hard pressed to do more damage than Hayworth. At least Hayworth would lack the residual good will and veneer of reasonableness McCain maintains in some independent eyes.

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February 28, 2010 2:19 PM   

McCain is going off the deep end. He was probably so busy suspending his campaign to avoid the debate with Obama, that he forgot to pay attention to the most pressing legislation last fall. I didn't know what I voted for, therefore I'm not responsible for it is a lame excuse. I am so thankful this man isn't president. We'd have a president who is increasingly appearing to have some dementia and a vice president who is obviously clueless about most everything. All at a time when the US is facing some of the most serious issues in decades. So, for those who are disappointed in what Obama has or hasn't yet done, think of where the country would be if McCain had been elected. It's a scary thought.

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February 28, 2010 2:31 PM   

This may be the first time I've ever come to John McCain’s defense. ----- Everyone knew that this would benefit banks and Wall Street (which is really the same thing.) That wasn't the issue - the issue was frozen credit markets which was KILLING Main Street. Businesses borrow money all the time for short term needs – like payroll. This kind of lending smoothes out the bumps related to cash flow. It’s SOP. ----- The "Troubled Assets" portion of TARP was specifically sold to Congress as a way to get the sub-prime derivatives that financial insertions were holding off the books. These toxic assets were creating a crisis of confidence and freezing up credit transactions. With these out of the picture - credit would supposedly flow again which would benefit everyone. ----- McCain is correct in saying that Congress was misled. Instead of buying the sup-prime derivatives, within two weeks Treasury said that the valuation process related to those derivatives would be too difficult and time consuming to have the immediate effect that was needed. So instead they recapitalized the banks; they gave them a huge infusion of cash which made the bad assets a smaller portion of their total holdings. ----- So the money went out – but hardly anything changed. In fact banks used the money for just about everything but lending – including new acquisitions. ------ So McCain wasn't even streching the truth on that issue. ----- The part about getting a call from the President to rush back to Washington to help fix things -- that was a whooper.

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February 28, 2010 2:51 PM    in reply to The_Buddha_Pest

The only reason they moved away from the toxic asset buy up in the first place is there was massive public outcry against it. The idea of direct loans/recapitalizing was that loans would be eventually paid back whereas public consensus was that paying money for toxic assets (since they were TOXIC) would actually be just a giveaway to the banks.

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March 1, 2010 5:50 AM    in reply to The_Buddha_Pest

The original plan was for the government to buy up troubled assets at 100% of their theoretical value, even though they were trading at about 10%.

This was obviously very favorable for banks so it went over like a lead balloon on Capitol Hill. They changed the program so that the government got shares in the banks instead. The reasoning was, why buy just the bad assets of a bank, when the bank has some good assets that can be used as collateral.

McCain knows all this, if he isn't completely senile. Paulson's original plan would likely have cost the US a couple hundred billion more.

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February 28, 2010 2:46 PM   

Technically speaking, McCain has a point.

The original plan for TARP was to buy toxic assets from the banks, taking those obligations off their balance sheets and allowing the banks to resume lending. Largely because pricing these assets was too complicated or would take too long, the gov't decided to simply give the banks $ in return for a stake in the company.

But that is where any resemblance to the truth ends. The authority for Treasury to simply give banks $ was explicitly included in the bailout legislation. And either way, the $ was always going to the banks. To portray TARP as a program that was supposed to help the housing market or homeowners that was then diverted into a bailout for the banks is a blatant lie.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised given the style of campaign he ran in '08, but to me it's sad how he has let his principle take a backseat to political expediency on a range of issues (immigration, climate change, campaign finance). There was a time when I would have expected more from him - guess I was wrong.

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March 1, 2010 5:42 AM    in reply to Bear 115

McCain indefensible here. Paulson's original plan was for the government to buy up all the bank's troubled assets for 100% of their theoretical value: this would have literally been giving away money to the banks. Congress called foul, and demanded that instead the government recapitalize the banks and get stock, so the government could eventually be paid back (which it mostly has been).

Paulson's original plan was far more generous to the banks.

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February 28, 2010 2:53 PM   

I don't think McCain has changed at all. At one point, he believed that it was in his political interests to pretend that he was more liberal than his party. Now, he believes he has to be as conservative as anyone in his party. So he has never stood for anything except himself. Unfortunately, the Villagers still can't see the obvious truth.

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February 28, 2010 10:14 PM    in reply to Rich in NJ

Your are absolutely right. Had he made it to the Virginia primaries back in 2000, I would have cast my vote for him. Now I see that he was acting "moderate" because that's where he thought the votes were to win.

The man stands for nothing.

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February 28, 2010 3:30 PM   

"See, SEE, you viewers are all in this with me."

In McCoot's head I'm sure we are.

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February 28, 2010 3:31 PM   

McCain has to have Alzheimer's......he was the one who called and practically demanded that Obama suspend his campaign and join McCain in "solving" this problem at the White House....he claims that Bush wanted him back at the White House.....he gave David Letterman that reason and it is on tape.....he managed to lie because it has come out in several books that Bush didn't ask McCain to suspend his campaign.

I think J.D. Hayworth is a real idiot but Arizona is going to have to pick the lesser of the evils during the primary or another way of looking at it is the evil of 2 lessers. McCain is a very bitter old man.

I can't believe that in all of Arizona there isn't one democrat or a progressive independent to run against the two clowns that call themselves repukes.....wasn't Hayworth involved in the Abramoff mess?

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February 28, 2010 6:27 PM    in reply to sconset

There is a Democrat in Arizona who plans to run against the Republican candidate. Tuscon vice-mayor, Rodney Glassman has an exploratory committee, and he is accepting $20 contributions http://www.rodneyglassman.com/ He is very impressive with a law degree and PhD in Arid Land Resource Sciences as well as being a U.S. Air Force JAG Reserve Officer.

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February 28, 2010 3:51 PM   

Paper currency always returns to its intrinsic value, Voltaire.

McCain is against earmarks; actually, earmarks are how law directs money to specific purpose. Without earmarks, money goes into the general fund. The Executive branch lead by whoever is recognized as president that day, decides who gets the money (with only passing reference to intent and no accounting).

Ron Paul: "All appropriations should be earmarked. That is how you specify how the money is to be spent."

McCain: Fraud, bad student, bad husband, and a bad pilot. Read history.

Central Bank creation of debt (pretending to be money; see: "Money as Debt" "MoneyMasters" "Ron Paul sound money" "Dishonest Money, Honest Money") always hits a limit of the ability to pay.

Bankers can fool all their customers some of the time.
Bankers can fool some of their customers all of the time. But Banker can not get repaid all the time, and then they become the fools. Read history of banking.

Central control of money always over time, favors Banks.

Central control of government always over time, favors government.

Central Bank creation of debt (pretending to be money) always hits a limit of the ability to pay.

Bankers can fool all their customers some of the time.
Bankers can fool some of their customers all of the time. But Banker can not get repaid all the time, and then they become the fools. Read history of banking.

Central control of money always over time, favors Banks.

Sound money will go a long way toward fixing our current mess.

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February 28, 2010 4:07 PM   

That pic of McCain has a real 'Body Snatchers' vibe. Our 'maverick' has been taken over by pod people politicians!

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February 28, 2010 4:19 PM   

I'm gonna have to get a new pair of flip-flops to wade through all the bulls***.

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February 28, 2010 6:51 PM    in reply to benintn

Better just to lift your watch hand over your head because its already that high.

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February 28, 2010 4:57 PM   

So when McCain shut down his campaign to fly to the rescue and usher TARP through Congress, all that time he didn't have a clue what it would do? Even I knew. Jeezus H. Christ, this guy reminds us almost daily how the country dodged a bullet by not electing him.

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February 28, 2010 5:27 PM   

Isn't McCain simply pointing out how totally ignorant he was when he cast his vote and how totally incompetent he is as a Senator? Is his defense that he understood considerably less about TARP than most Americans?

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February 28, 2010 6:32 PM    in reply to xargaw

Yes.

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February 28, 2010 6:04 PM   

Thank goodness MtP has him on every week to update us on his latest version of history. No sense wasting time on people who confine themselves to a single reality when we can have story time with Grandpa Grumpy.

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February 28, 2010 6:23 PM   

You ask on the front page: "How can J.D. Hayworth not take advantage of this opening?"

My question is: "How can the Democrats not take advantage of this opening?"

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February 28, 2010 6:55 PM   

The real question is David Gregory McCain's love child or something from a drunken night in Pensacola during pilot training? Can he have McCain on MTP this many times and let him rant unchallenged without being a blood relative?

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February 28, 2010 7:04 PM   

David Gregory is an utter failure. McShrill lied, again, and Gregory did not challenge him.

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February 28, 2010 7:10 PM   

Janet Napalitano should come back to AZ to run. Against either McCain or Hayworth - both are idiots, not sure which is bigger idiot. Cabinet Secretaries are a dime a dozen...not a problem replacing her in DC. I'm sure she would mop the floor with either McCain or J.D.

AZ is about 1/3 repub, 1/3 Dem and 1/3 Indy. That's why I should Janet could clean their clocks - she is still respected here.

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February 28, 2010 7:13 PM    in reply to Scottsdalian

BTW...Terry Godard, the Dem Atty General here is AZ is running for Guv. Terry is a good guy and eminently capable. Beyond Terry, Dem bench is not too deep. I think I would rather see Godard run for Sen. and not have to deal with AZ Legislature (talk about maroons!), but would prefer Janet as Sen. and Terry as Guv.

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February 28, 2010 7:16 PM    in reply to Scottsdalian

ummm..."That's why I think Janet should could clean... "

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February 28, 2010 7:19 PM    in reply to Scottsdalian

ummm#2..."That's why I think Janet could clean... "
If I am going to keep posting, I guess I better stop drinking. Or stop posting!

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March 1, 2010 2:53 PM    in reply to Scottsdalian

Janet Napolitano will never get my vote for anything, and I'm a liberal Democrat who always voted for her and liked her. She skipped out on us to become--you're right on this part--a "dime a dozen" Cabinet Secretary. She needed to stay put to protect Arizona from its far-right legislature. Instead, she quit her job, leaving Arizona to a far-right Governor and the same legislature. Why would we ever "hire" her for any other job?

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February 28, 2010 8:05 PM   

The craziest aspect of the whole TARP bailout is the number of Americans (especially among the tea bag clan) who believe that the Obama Administration was responsible for the TARP bailout program ... which took place before he took office.
Kinda like when Limbaugh declared that the crashing national economy was officially the "Obama Recession" .... back in November of 2008.

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February 28, 2010 8:12 PM   

I'm a liberal dem but if my only voting choices were McCain and Hayward, I'd have to vote for Hayward. At least we know what he is. McCain reminds me of a buoy in a hurricane these days. To say he didn't understand the bill he voted for is an insult to the people of AZ.

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February 28, 2010 9:11 PM    in reply to Andreams

Instead of "buoy" wouldn't it be more accurate to say "sailboat", as in "Grumpy McCrashcup is driftier than a sailboat in a hurricane" to describe his daily "positions"?

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February 28, 2010 8:44 PM   

Why is this on national TV? It should be on local TV in Az. where he can lie to the people who might be voting for him in Nov. and leave the rest of us alone.

Or is McCain considering another suicide run for president?

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February 28, 2010 10:26 PM   

Even if we were lied to about TARP by Paulson, we weren't in any position to do anything about it.

McCain was. And he voted for it.

Personally, I think it was a wise decision by Paulson, and I bet that McCain just rubber stamped it not knowing that he'd be up against insanely stupid teabaggers, but what's done is done, and he needs to man up and take responsibility.

I'd love to see Paulson come out and trash McCain for the two-faced, lying coward he is.

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March 1, 2010 3:51 AM   

So how is it the public was up in arms about TARP and fully realized the banks needed to be bailed out to keep the economy from collapsing but also needed to be taken to task for their screwup. And still do.

And the senate had and has no idea of any of this? Gimme a break!! Liars and dumbfucks every one. They're all fucking criminals and should be shot for egregious commission of treason against this nation. Same with Goldman and Citi and JP Morgan etc. The entire crew is stealing the country blind. That they have the legal power to do this is beside the point. They're all criminals for having conspired to make it possible. That's what all the changes in banking and financial regulation were about all of these years. And now they say they had no undertsanding of any of this!!! Every bit of this, all the signs point the same way. There is no challenge at all in grasping what has gone on.

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March 1, 2010 5:26 AM   

He is out of touch with reality.
Who could ever forget that when the Dow was falling over 500 points, Lehman just filed for bankruptcy and AIG was falling like a rock, he stands in front of America and says "The fundamentals of our economy are strong".

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March 1, 2010 7:34 AM   

McCain's nervous giggling gave it away again. No need to listen.

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March 1, 2010 8:00 AM   

I'm almost inclined to McCain the benefit of the doubt here - except that buying toxic assets is as much "pumpin' money" into Wall Street as taking equity stakes. That however I put down to McCain's inherent lack of knowledge about banking.

I don't have my copy of "Too Big to Fail" with me, but one feature of the narrative around the passing of the TARP legislation was how continuously Paulson was updating the McCain and Obama campaigns on what he was proposing. I'll check again later, but I somehow doubt McCain was not personally briefed on the final intent of TARP.

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March 1, 2010 8:43 AM   

McCain thought Palin was qualified to run the country if anything happened to him.

'Nuff said.

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March 1, 2010 9:37 AM    in reply to billpaustin

point, and game!

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March 1, 2010 8:59 AM   

From the snippet I saw of McCain's MTP appearance he came off as bitter and whiny, not to mention clueless. He should heed that famous advice, "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

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March 1, 2010 10:06 AM   

On the one hand, McCain is, or was, the most recent standard bearer for a party that prizes cluelessness above all else. For example, didn't Lame R Alexander just tell the country that we shouldn't try to reform our health care system because "it's too complicated?"

On the other hand, we've just come off eight long years of clueless government. The memory of having a president who literally could not find his ass with both hands is fresh in the minds of all who were paying attention.

Do we really want to go back to that?

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March 1, 2010 12:17 PM   

McCain has now shown that he is too stupid to be a U.S. senator, and he should resign because either:

1. He has such little regard for his constituents and the American people that he'd tell a bold-face lie and expect us to believe it. Which shows he's a complete fool. (This is the correct answer by the way.) Or ...

2. He admits he didn't bother to understand one of the biggest, expensive pieces of emergency legislation that has come through the Senate since he's been there.

Either way, he's in the Jim Bunning Hall of Stupidity and should get the hell out of Congress. Thank God he wasn't elected president or we'd have another Alzheimer's patient in the White House.

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July 10, 2010 12:10 AM   

On the one hand, McCain is, or was, the most recent standard bearer for a party that prizes cluelessness above all else. For example, didn't Lame R Alexander just tell the country that we shouldn't try to reform our health care system because "it's too complicated?"

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