
A new CNN poll sheds light on who makes up the Tea Party movement. According to the results, tea partiers are richer, more male and have more education than the general population.
Eleven percent of respondents to the poll said that they had in someway participated in the tea party movement, either by going to a rally, donating money, or "taking some other active step to support the movement." The demographics among that 11% are much different from the rest of the U.S. population.
"Of this core group of Tea Party activists, 6 of 10 are male and half live in rural areas," CNN reports. "Nearly three quarters of Tea Party activists attended college, compared to 54 percent of all Americans, and more than three in four call themselves conservatives."
Sixty-six percent of the tea party activists reported an income higher than $50,000 per year. Among the overall sample in the poll, that figure was 42%. The group is 80% white, as opposed to 71% among all respondents to the poll.
Politically, the figures are not a surprise. Forty-four percent of tea partiers called themselves "Republican," while 52% said they were independent. Among all those polled by CNN, 25% were Republicans while 44% were independents. A third self-identified as Democrats.
Dorn76
February 17, 2010 1:38 PM
Anger Management Classes and Bartending School do not count as having "attended college".
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CJ
February 17, 2010 2:38 PM in reply to Dorn76
Hilarious!
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Chris
February 17, 2010 7:04 PM in reply to CJ
If anyone is shocked by this data, you really should read this.
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Patience
February 17, 2010 9:28 PM in reply to Chris
I think you're overstating it-- no one's professing to be "shocked" by these findings. But the Tea Party rhetoric seems to include a lot of grievance about being oppressed by the Washington elite, so the fact that this group has slightly more income and more education than the average does not quite fit in with their self-presentation of being stuck at the bottom of society.
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OldenGoldenDecoy
February 18, 2010 3:33 AM in reply to Chris
Hey Hey CJ . . .
Thanks for that link to the Fold Blog:
Here's what I just left over there for Chris (scroll down):
The CCN poll data is at:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/02/17/rel4b.pdf
~OGD~
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Neil
February 18, 2010 2:38 PM in reply to OldenGoldenDecoy
OGD is correct, the survey methodology is seriously flawed. "crap" would be a more emphatic description.
lack of controls, lack of proper randomization, small survey size, relies on self declaration when personal confidence isn't guaranteed and where the respondent knows his/her answers will shape perceptions of the party, creating significant incentive to lie.
and frankly, TPM staff should be educated well enough to spot a crap survey before posting it. but speaking of incentives, there's always the incentive to post red meat and get hits. which is always where the decline of for-profit news orgs begins.
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expat46
February 17, 2010 2:50 PM in reply to Dorn76
ziiiinnnggg!
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mans_best_friend
February 17, 2010 2:59 PM in reply to Dorn76
Nor should Regents university.
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glblank
February 17, 2010 3:03 PM in reply to Dorn76
Bartending School, Class of August, better tips in the summer.
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3star2nr
February 17, 2010 3:25 PM in reply to Dorn76
this just proves CNN has 0 credibility because there is NO WAY IN HELL thats possible.
If this is true this country truly is populated by people who are fucking stupid
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lousgirl84
February 17, 2010 3:35 PM in reply to 3star2nr
I agree. I don't buy this bulllshit at all. Now the MSM is really trying to give these nutcases credibility. Sacrebleu!!!!
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tonigo
February 17, 2010 3:35 PM in reply to 3star2nr
It could easily be true if you factor in Clown College, Barber College and Hamburger University
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Bruce Webb
February 17, 2010 4:26 PM in reply to tonigo
You dip-shits. Upper middle class Southerners have been sending their kids to largely social colleges like Tulane and Baylor for generations whereupon they get literally tortured as freshmen pledges to their Frats and then spend the next three years going to football games, drinking heavily, making future business and social contacts, and hooking up with wives from their own class, not incidentally returning the torture favor to three more years of Frat Pledges and end up with a parchment diploma that justifies their being inserted into Daddy's company or one of Daddy's friend's company on a management track.
College educated among the small town rich doesn't mean you spent four years studying Rawl. It meant establishing life long social and business ties with every other scion of the wingnuts. The BA or MS or even the MBA is not even the point. Generally even the most moronic rich kid can find a college to give him a degree, there are plenty of colleges that exist for little other purpose.
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acf_ma
February 17, 2010 4:45 PM in reply to Bruce Webb
That's also the reason why many of the religious based, upper echelon, private schools, such as Andover, were established. These schools, often residential, and starting in elementary grades, get the fortunate off to a rousing start by helping them make the life connections that will serve them as they grow. It's all about connections, personal and professional. You can't have the drycleaner's kid hanging around with the child of a captain of industry.
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kenga
February 17, 2010 5:04 PM in reply to Bruce Webb
I think that's a little harsh, Bruce.
Let me offer this fact for collective consumption:
While I was attending it, UMass-Amherst had a reasonably sizable, active, and highly vocal Young Republicans Club, which had a more-popular-than-you'd-expect bi-weekly newspaper*.
That was before W's old man was sworn in as President.
Don't imagine for a second that the right now has a smaller presence on that campus - which is still viewed in some circles as a bastion of liberal thinking and indoctrination.
I'd guess that more conservative campuses have an even larger presence.
(*A few years ago, another alum happened to notice that a former editor for that publication was appointed to a position in the Bush Administration. - this was around the time Safavian and friends were getting sentenced. Relevant because he was also a member of the same club in the same time period. I think it was Safavian - I'm not 100% sure - if not it was another player in that cluster of indictments.)
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JimmyBobby
February 17, 2010 5:23 PM in reply to Bruce Webb
Whuss "Rawl"?
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Lonesome Otter
February 17, 2010 3:58 PM in reply to Dorn76
Hey folks, don't forget GWB
college degree...white...income higher than average
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DP1
February 17, 2010 8:16 PM in reply to Lonesome Otter
Intelligence...lower than the rat he was
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Powkat
February 17, 2010 1:39 PM
I wonder how many finished college as opposed to attended and also what they majored in. Their hostility to education and government would lead me to believe it was something other than the social sciences.
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TBender
February 17, 2010 1:51 PM in reply to Powkat
Business probably.
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Powkat
February 17, 2010 1:57 PM in reply to TBender
That's what I'm thinking, too. Mostly white, mostly male in rural areas makes me think these are the guys who run small towns. I grew up in one the above description pretty much covers it. I know many people love life in small towns, but I couldn't wait to leave and move to the city. Best decision I ever made.
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lousgirl84
February 17, 2010 3:52 PM in reply to Powkat
I hear ya.
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brianm0122
February 17, 2010 4:11 PM in reply to Powkat
Theology.
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AndrewT
February 17, 2010 3:03 PM in reply to Powkat
+1
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geofu54
February 17, 2010 3:28 PM in reply to Powkat
I wonder how many finished college as opposed to attended
The linked poll result says 40% of them. "Some college" (implying just attended but not graduated") is 34%. Hence "nearly three quarters".
Then again, the "attended/graduated college" is not a homogeneous category (plus, the survey does not ask how many colleges/universities they had to attend before they managed to graduate, hee hee).
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fsudirectory
February 17, 2010 1:55 PM
I wonder if they counted how many colleges they went to in total or per person.
BC Sarah could account for at least 5 of those tea partiers with all of her 'college experience', if hopping community college to community college is actually going to college..
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Viva!America!
February 17, 2010 1:58 PM
Male? of course
Richer? ha! maybe the leaders and sponsors
College educated? More educated? I'm calling bull shit on that one.
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Michael A
February 17, 2010 2:05 PM in reply to Viva!America!
Double bull shit. There is no way that they are "college educated." That is contrary to every other poll that has ever been done on the lunatic fringe. The demographic is poor, angry, uneducated white guy.
Attended college? By the way, what does that mean? A correspondence class.
A better question would be a college degree.
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Steaming Pile
February 17, 2010 2:16 PM in reply to Michael A
I want to know where these people went to school. So nobody I know screws up and goes there.
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shortstop
February 17, 2010 2:16 PM in reply to Michael A
I'd like to see these questions probed a little deeper. I can see marginally better educated angry white guys heading toward teabagging while their slightly less educated counterparts continue to be proud Republicans. The mindset of the 'baggers includes the ability to recognize that things have gone horribly astray while being terribly unable to admit that they themselves are wrong about anything -- thus the tendency to blame Republican policies, which they wholeheartedly supported for the entire Bush administration, on others rather than man up and take accountability for their part in enabling the Bush clusterfuck. And I think making $50,000-plus is consonant with that mindset.
What you WON'T find in the tea party movement is REALLY wealthy Republican guys -- they know Republican corporatist policies are designed to protect them at the expense of the poorer members of the right (and left, and everything in between) and they're not going to mess around with a bunch of loudmouthed and poorly dressed teabaggers.
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AndrewT
February 17, 2010 3:35 PM in reply to shortstop
Agreed. The truly uneducated tend to err toward political apathy, nihilism, or uninvolvement. Most conspiracy types, including tea baggers, are too politically precocious to be totally uneducated.
It's just that their interests and associations tends to be paranoiac towards many of the academic fields that cast dispersion on reactionary, conspiratorial, and/or nativist thinking (i.e. psychology, sociology, cultural studies, labor studies, strains of English, philosophy, political econ, etc).
Most of these guys probably pull good salaries by being from business, econ, or certain poli sci departments.
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mans_best_friend
February 17, 2010 3:02 PM in reply to Michael A
I think what you have is a small group of people who are white, wealthy and college educated with the age-old agenda of reducing the tax bite on people like themselves, who are playing a much larger group of people for patsies. Depends on which part of the group you poll.
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Schmed
February 17, 2010 3:05 PM in reply to Michael A
Attended college? By the way, what does that mean?
Went to the 1997 Cornhuskers vs. Fighting Irish game, bought a Nebraska tee shirt.
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3star2nr
February 17, 2010 3:27 PM in reply to Michael A
they must have attended some internet college. Just like how Orly Taitz has a law degree
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geofu54
February 17, 2010 3:35 PM in reply to 3star2nr
Yeah, who knows how many of their colleges/universities are diploma mills.
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Flybynite
February 17, 2010 4:19 PM in reply to Michael A
If they're so poor how come they have all that money to spend on fancy colonial getups and signs, bus trips, conventions and what not? I've never seen them as particularly poor. They're people who feel threatened by a black president, changing demographics and modernity in general. More haves fearing becoming have-nots than actual have-nots.
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again
February 17, 2010 2:25 PM in reply to Viva!America!
I almost never agree with "VivaAmerica!", but on this, I do.
I did my own research, and found that most tea partiers were woefully undereducated, particularly on financial/econ issues.
Perhaps some college, but...
Is this study one of "self-reported" incomes and education?
Wasn't Joe the Plumber found to be far less productive and credentialed than he - apparently sincerely - believed himself to be?
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lousgirl84
February 17, 2010 3:54 PM in reply to again
Wow, I almost always agree with Viva America. Few in here make more sense.
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Neil
February 18, 2010 7:32 PM in reply to again
Right, take Joe the Plumber who was chosen specifically to resonate with the tea-bagger crowd.
His MO was to lie about his accomplishments to create this facade of an erudite, hard working, upright, family guy, on the road to entrepenurial success... burdened and denied his birthright by evil government. As it turns out, Joe the Plumber is a real goon, deadbeat, nowhere close to buying his business, not even a licensed plumber, etc.
The same delusional victim mentality runs all through Ayn Rand's works, particularly Atlas Shrugged, a favorite among the anti-government anti-tax libertarian and tea-bagger types. The victim mentality is also popular with the more rabid racists and anti-immigration types, which also overlaps.
In my experience these types always exaggerate and lie about their accomplishments, always have excuses for their failures, and devote a large part of their life reinforcing and embellishing these stories at local dive bars, and generally male loser hangouts.
I would love to have seen what percentage of these guys also blame their ex wives and ungrateful children.
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Neil
February 18, 2010 7:41 PM in reply to Neil
Oh and it always cracks me up that Joe the Plumber on his pre-fame wages actually would have gotten a middle-class tax cut under Obama. Either as an employee, or if he were ever able to afford buying the business (as he alleged) because the net taxable business income is way under 250k. Also, since Joe the Plumber couldn't grasp this concept, I doubt he could run successful business for long.
But Joe the Plumber and his followers are just too damn stupid to know better, and too angry to ever wise up. Some people are so ignorant you just can't save them from themselves.
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jeffgee
February 17, 2010 3:09 PM in reply to Viva!America!
Maybe they forgot everything they were taught by the librul prefessers or maybe they partied for 5 years and didn't learn anything.
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Cool Blue Reason
February 17, 2010 3:36 PM in reply to Viva!America!
It doesn't actually seem that far-fetched. The element of any political movement that can be fairly described as "activist" is inevitably going to be more educated than the average for that group.
Also, we shouldn't discount the heterogeneity of those who will self-identify as being involved in "Tea Party" activities. Although we envision a bunch of marginally educated birthers and lunatic fringe racists, there is a significant element of right-wing activists and interests who at least recognize the potential usefulness of the idiots.
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bluesplashy
February 17, 2010 5:25 PM in reply to Viva!America!
I do too, big fat BS. You know, I lie on those polls a sometimes especially about my education and income and if I was a tea person I can guarantee I would lie out the wazoo about those two questions. For god's sake - look at pictures of them.
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Marinus van der Lubbe
February 17, 2010 2:06 PM
Of course, these are the guys that pray to geeks like Grover Norquist...no blue collar conservative has a clue about that prick and how he holds sway over all and sundry in rightwing ville. The minute he opens up his squeaky trap he would get the shit knowcked out of him by a guy in a Steelers cap.
The white collar teabaggers will run it and use whatever useful idiots it can.
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jeffgee
February 17, 2010 3:11 PM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
Norquist compared progressive taxation to the persecution of Jews by the Nazis. He's despicable.
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lousgirl84
February 17, 2010 3:50 PM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
Hi
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Silence
February 17, 2010 2:07 PM
Yeah. That's about right. I'll go one step further and say that many of them are entrepreneurs or high level management types.
Shocked? You shouldn't be.
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shortstop
February 17, 2010 2:17 PM in reply to Silence
Entrepreneurs, yes. High-loevel management types -- no way, for the reasons I outlined above.
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Silence
February 17, 2010 2:29 PM in reply to shortstop
Agreed. The really big corp players aren't there, but you will find plenty of very well-educated and successful people at the TEA parties. Nancy told you that they were well-dressed.
For the unemployed looking for work or single women seeking stable, well-to-do men, the TEA parties are nothing short of the mother load.
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Dorn76
February 17, 2010 2:49 PM in reply to Silence
Bullcrap. Any entrepeneur worth their salt spends their time working, not yelling through a bullhorn holding a sign with Obama dressed as a witch doctor.
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Silence
February 17, 2010 3:02 PM in reply to Dorn76
Any entrepreneur worth his/her salt employs qualified managers who can run the show while he/she is busy fighting the boobs in DC.
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Michael A
February 17, 2010 3:06 PM in reply to Silence
Really? Then he is wasting money and would be out of business very quick. Not much of an entrepeneur.
You guys really live in an alternate reality. Ignorance is bliss as they say.
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Silence
February 17, 2010 3:23 PM in reply to Michael A
Perhaps, you should write a book on entrepreneurs.
The big "C"'s have lobbyists to do their fighting for them. The smaller "S" corps make their stand, in person.
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expat46
February 17, 2010 3:36 PM in reply to Silence
Damn socialists! The French probably don't even have a word for an entrepeneur.
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Dorn76
February 17, 2010 3:17 PM in reply to Silence
You don't even know what an entrepeneur is.
"hire qualified managers"...HAHAHAHAHAHA
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Silence
February 17, 2010 3:42 PM in reply to Dorn76
First of all, it's not entrepeneur. It's entrepreneur.
Definition: Someone who assumes the financial risk of the initiation, operation and management of a business.
And, yes. Successful entrepreneurs eventually hire managers.
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hbobrien
February 17, 2010 3:23 PM in reply to Dorn76
"Any entrepeneur worth their salt..."
Well, since most entrepreneurs aren't worth their salt -- or else the business failure rate would be much lower -- that means the data are what one would expect.
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expat46
February 17, 2010 2:56 PM in reply to Silence
Silence, is your degree in Anger Management or Bartending?
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Silence
February 17, 2010 3:08 PM in reply to expat46
Well, I did work as a bartender at a country club during college. I guess that's why I'm tuned into the social and business networking opportunities that so many people seem to miss.
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jeffgee
February 17, 2010 3:14 PM in reply to Silence
Which would explain the many friends you have made posting here.
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Silence
February 17, 2010 3:47 PM in reply to jeffgee
I didn't come here to make friends. It's pure entertainment.
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big jonny
February 17, 2010 4:01 PM in reply to Silence
And you didn't tend bar to makes tips.
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hbobrien
February 17, 2010 4:24 PM in reply to Silence
"I didn't come here to make friends. It's pure entertainment."
Bad news, bon bon -- you're not that entertaining, either.
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shortstop
February 17, 2010 3:15 PM in reply to Silence
Stable? Oh, dear, I think not.
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Greg
February 17, 2010 3:18 PM in reply to Silence
Well, some sort of "load", at any rate.
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brewmn61
February 17, 2010 5:29 PM in reply to Silence
Well-educated people spell it "lode."
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Marinus van der Lubbe
February 17, 2010 3:25 PM in reply to Silence
Not shocked, bored...becaue it was never any "rube uprising" but well thought out and using the usual suspects, the useful idiots, who are more than happy to wave their jingoistic bullshit and wave into Faux News cams.
As boring and as predictable of any conservative movement that is white collar above the neck.
And I really beg to differ with you from a past conversation, it is an inherently racist movement. You are...it's easy to flesh it out in your answers, the things you state. Youre a racist, have little empathy for thoise struggling and have this weird Aryan Darwinism theme to all you state. You truly are one of the most contemptible bloggers here. Now go back and brag about your software writing that will eliminate all the dead wood from your workplace or people you can put on the streets.
Armchair patriot and hateful little man...you are nothing.
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expat46
February 17, 2010 4:25 PM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
Yeah, you must be referring to his post about gang bangers not voting Republican? He occasionally slips up and shows his true nature. This explains why he doesn't realize there's racist undercurrent permeating the tea-bagger movement.
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Silence
February 17, 2010 4:49 PM in reply to expat46
Oh, I apologize. Black panthers and gangbangers are republicans? I didn't know that. The polling stats indicate something very different.
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expat46
February 17, 2010 6:59 PM in reply to Silence
Black panthers and gangbangers are republicans? I didn't know that. The polling stats indicate something very different.
You are Archie Bunker, not in a funny way but in a sad way. It's your incapability for self reflection that prevents you from seeing why this would be considered offensive.
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Silence
February 17, 2010 7:43 PM in reply to expat46
Oh. You mean it's sort of like categorizing all conservatives as racist, illiterate, in-bred, red neck Nazis, right?
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expat46
February 17, 2010 9:05 PM in reply to Silence
Nope, but thanks for proving my point Archie. You see, your response is a perfect illustration of that lack of self reflection that I mentioned. You think your being offensive to progressives. You also think that progressives are the opposite of conservatives but I won't even go into that.
BTW - another one of your Archie Bunker tells is your obsessive need to have the last word. You can always be counted to come back with some 'I know you are but what am I' bullshit.
The funny thing is there is probably a lot we agree on but you would never know it because you never engage you just attack.
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Marinus van der Lubbe
February 17, 2010 6:24 PM in reply to expat46
He knows...he tried blowing smoke up my ass about it last week. How can you be in it and not see anything BUT white faces and 'never' notice the signs? He knows big time...like every troll in here, sans the conservatives you can actually speak to and share information with, he is a certified racist. Smug comebacks and evasion of questions is his cup of tea. The fact that Obama is "touched by the tar brush" must have him shaking like a dog shitting razor blades every day he sees him on TV or in print. He's racist, anti-American and no patriot. He would rather see the country go down into a pile of shit than lift a hand and put it into the fire to save it.
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Silence
February 17, 2010 4:43 PM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
Hey. Obama needs more money for his corporate friends. It's my job to find it.
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Marinus van der Lubbe
February 17, 2010 6:29 PM in reply to Silence
Youre nothing but a white collar teabagging bigot. You find nothing for anyone other than yourself. You would rather see this country go down in flames than for one second put your hand in the fire next to someone who doesnt fit your genetics or sexual code than to help save it. You sit, smug, with your lame comebacks and repititive talking points stuffed up your ass by Glenn Beck or Frank Luntz, but everyone sees you as the little white power prick you really are.
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lousgirl84
February 17, 2010 6:39 PM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
I love when you get pissed!!!
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Silence
February 17, 2010 7:17 PM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
The racist mantra is getting pretty long in the tooth. Go back to calling all white people uneducated, Nazis.
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Marinus van der Lubbe
February 17, 2010 9:13 PM in reply to Silence
I'm not a nazi and I'm white, but I dont adhere to your philosophy nor your lack of humanity, and anyway, its never long in the tooth when its true and youre a homophobe, a racist and small lonely prick. You think in here you make some take notice, but all we see is your weakness. Youre just weak.
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Silence
February 18, 2010 8:24 AM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
A man who receives a military pension is guaranteed a stable income for the rest of his life, correct?
You could show us all how to be patriots by using a year's worth of your pension income to create some jobs! Did you know that risk adversity is a well-known sign of weakness? Yup. It is. Come on. Stick that pension stable hand in the fire and show the Nazi entrepreneurs how it's really done.
Oh, and if you happen to make any money, don't forget to turn 60+% of it over to the govt. Slavery is your civic duty.
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Marinus van der Lubbe
February 18, 2010 10:02 AM in reply to Silence
That's another ridiculous argument you make. Yes, I get a pension but the people who exit the service and think they can rely on just that are delusional, unless youre a thirty year E-9 or 0-6 and flag ranks. I can see youre not very well learned on your military pay scales so I will enlighten you a bit.
We get Tri-Care for health insurance after we exit, but that isnt like the old days where all is carte-blanche. That's over with. We have co-pays, limits and face COLA blackouts as well.
Now, as far as investing my pension in jobs, that's pretty absurd. I invest in my family. But where I give back is teaching, and training teachers. I did the loot and shoot for twenty years, giving to my country, going to war for my country, GOP prez or Dem prez, made no difference. My life has been service to my country, and not to 'me' as in your case. Everything you divulge about yourself besides whatever talking points you glean from pundits, has to do with you for you. I dont know where you got that 'nazi' thing from, as I have said in the past, you argue with so many people in here you lose track of who says what. I defined you, and the teabaggers, as Aryan Darwinists, that has nothing to do with 'nazification'. You could give fuck one about anyone outside your genetic code and skin color. I see no latinos, asians or blacks in your ranks. Your mantra in here has been cut off all entitlement programs for everyone, let them fend for themselves. You label yourself an entrepreneur and a job creator yet you brag about devising some software that will allow you to fire people and cut your payrolls. Why you even come in this room is a mystery to me. But to us in here youre a welcome grotesque image of what we're up against. You're the slime on the floor, the shit on the walls, the prick who would drive by if someone had a flat in the middle of nowhere, the asshole who leaves his porchlight off for halloween even if youre home....youre basically a miserable prick who covets the real people who can hang, who would survive, who learned social skills. Like I have said, youre just a desperate lonely prick who wants attention. I'm done with you. Youre a fucking waste of sperm in my book.
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Silence
February 18, 2010 10:09 AM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
Risk adverse. Got it.
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Marinus van der Lubbe
February 18, 2010 11:55 AM in reply to Silence
exactly...youre like AIDS.
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Silence
February 18, 2010 5:13 PM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
Pantywaist. All talk, no walk.
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Marinus van der Lubbe
February 18, 2010 7:10 PM in reply to Silence
Pantywaist? What rerun of 'Starsky & Hutch' are you from?
All talk? send me your address...phone...email...put it out there Mr. Entrepreneur...Mr Un-American, Mr. Felchmeister....Have some balls now, bitch...you set the table.
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Silence
February 18, 2010 8:59 PM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
"Now, as far as investing my pension in jobs, that's pretty absurd."
Every day for 17 years, I've put my house, savings, health insurance and retirement at risk to ship product and make a payroll. Yet, you won't risk a single dime of your precious gubermint pension to create one job for your fellow man.
You da man, pantywaist.
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Marinus van der Lubbe
February 18, 2010 9:16 PM in reply to Silence
"Every day for 17 years, I've put my house, savings, health insurance and retirement at risk to ship product and make a payroll."
And I spent 20 years, in 30 different countries, at war, at both North & South Poles, on land or underway....so your tired little take-off artist as slept with your He-Man doll. Butthi sis useless on you...you dont identify service as 'giving it up'..only business..youre hardwiring is fucked up...
Yea, pantywaist...sure..it's what your mama always liked...hiked up to her waist and breechloaded. Who's your daddy, bitch?
and all talk no walk...I get the idea youre in DC...just a stones throw away...so let me know where youre at pussyboy.
And thanks for the laugh.
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Silence
February 18, 2010 9:53 PM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
BTW, how are those top secret PADI classes going at the community pool?
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Marinus van der Lubbe
February 19, 2010 7:05 AM in reply to Silence
Weak and flaccid, like your mom's anus. That all you have Silence?
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Silence
February 19, 2010 7:41 AM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
I'm drinking beers at the Ram's head on west street or crackin' claws at Buddy's every Memorial day. You're more than welcome to stop on by and give us all a little lecture on the joys of Socialism.
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Marinus van der Lubbe
February 19, 2010 9:13 AM in reply to Silence
Ahh Annapolis....know it well. How will I recognize you though, will you have your straw hat with teabags hanging off? A 'Knightrider' teeshirt? A small man in corporate casual just trying to stomach being around the plebeian? On your mom's lap, wearing a bib as yer crackin' claws?
You would never for a moment take that risk. it's laughable.
On Memorial Day I ride to the Wall, but maybe on the way back I can break your neck?
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Silence
February 19, 2010 9:45 AM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
Ooohh. Big talk from such a little yellow flipper. I'll be waiting.
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Marinus van der Lubbe
February 19, 2010 9:55 AM in reply to Silence
OOOOO...so brave here when can always just hide in the sidelines and snark. So give it up. put your face on your avatar, what's your name Mr Job Maker, Mr Payroll, Mr I hate and sneer at people who give service to their country unless theyre as twisted as me...
Seriously put up or just stop. Come on Silence....a good name for you...silent and hidden.
sincerely, your little yellow flipper.
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Silence
February 19, 2010 10:09 AM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
I'll find you...stringy hair, Berkenstocks, tiny glasses and a Che T-shirt. No problem.
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Marinus van der Lubbe
February 19, 2010 11:53 AM in reply to Silence
...you set this table, so put up or shut up. period. Big mouth, big bullshit. if you dont think I would find you, youre dreaming. so come on aryan...or too busy jerking off to the pictures of a plane killing people in the IRS building?
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Silence
February 19, 2010 12:08 PM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
I told you where to find me. Don't forget to wear the Che T-shirt for my Cuban buddy.
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Marinus van der Lubbe
February 19, 2010 12:13 PM in reply to Silence
post your face in avatar or give it up. chickenshit.
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Silence
February 19, 2010 12:18 PM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
Che on Memorial day. Looking forward to it.
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Marinus van der Lubbe
February 19, 2010 12:36 PM in reply to Silence
No face, no meeting, no balls, no beating. adios...
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Silence
February 19, 2010 12:44 PM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
Come on, flipper. Don't give up the Ship. I'll ya a beer.
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AnnieW
February 17, 2010 2:19 PM
My stepfather is a true believer. He fits the demo, but not the way silenced thinks.
He's a cop, white, some education, makes over $50K. He's also a birther. He resents taxes without realizing that every dime and benefit he gets is paid for by taxes. In his view, all taxes are spent on illegals.
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Michael A
February 17, 2010 2:22 PM in reply to AnnieW
I for the life of me do not understand how cops are repukes. Makes no sense. Cops live on the government dole and only make as much as they do based on dems wanting them to be paid more and in many communities, they are paid alot. Makes zero sense.
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twirling fartknocker
February 17, 2010 3:11 PM in reply to Michael A
cops are the pit bulls of the wealthy controlling class, and so cops like to think they are somehow part of the upper echelon, looking down upon the dirty unwashed masses. non-wealthy authoritarian-minded republicans see the world much the same way.
what they don't realize, as Howard Zinn astutely pointed out, is that they, like most of the middle class, would be happily sacrificed by the powers that be if it suited their purposes, just as the guards at Attica were mowed down along with the prisoners. sad but true
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Schmed
February 17, 2010 3:14 PM in reply to Michael A
I for the life of me do not understand how cops are repukes. Makes no sense.
Makes perfect sense, really. Love authority, love power, love hierarchy, love respect, love to intimidate, think that the only reason for taxation is to provide security for the status quo. Their pay is not government largesse, it's "the price of freedom / security / justice / etc."
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Brownbagger
February 17, 2010 3:31 PM in reply to Schmed
Wow. Well said.
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lousgirl84
February 17, 2010 4:00 PM in reply to AnnieW
Be thankful he's your stepfather. I know a lot of folks like him.
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KeithL
February 17, 2010 4:02 PM in reply to AnnieW
I believe the key word is resent. In my checkered career, I sometimes spent some time working alongside police. Almost to a man, they seemed bitterly resentful of those they considered privileged with college educations, and good incomes, yet ungrateful and disloyal because they were always causing trouble and rousing rabble. There were some quite strong feelings!
What I can't quite swallow in this poll is the 80% white number. What the Hell are the other 20%? White women? There sure ain't one in five blacks, hispanics or even asians in any crowd scene I've ever seen.
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February 17, 2010 5:14 PM in reply to KeithL
Disagree. I've found a smaller number (but not an insignificant number) of Hispanics and Asians in these groups. Usually in the earlier strain of the tea partiers, Ron Paul Libertarian folk.
Separately, you'll find white tea partiers who claim some 10% Native American ancestry. It may well be true, but... they're still white like rice.
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expat46
February 17, 2010 9:23 PM in reply to again
Where do you get this stuff? I have a mental image of some guy roaming around a tea-bagger rally with a clip board.
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February 17, 2010 10:57 PM in reply to expat46
No, just go, wear a suit, ask some questions.
Don't go as yourself, know what I mean? Not if you want info. Don't react. Just listen. And ask a few "innocent" questions. A clipboard would intimidate them. If they don't know the definitions of certain terms (usually economic) provide very straight answers. It's what they're missing.
Of the two groups (the Paulist libertarians and the Freedom Works) you'll find the Paulists more open to telling you where they're coming from. They're actively recruiting.Their facts are wrong, but because they've read X and Y and Z that back it up, they really believe.
The Freedomworks "teams" are far more tribal. They're actually not very well read, but they're actually open to some new ideas... I think a large part of their openness is actually the class difference. They're just kind of surprised that someone not like them would show up and care to ask what they think. (who isn't a newscaster)
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expat46
February 18, 2010 11:35 AM in reply to again
Thanks Again. I've considered attending a tea-bag rally but I get hung up on what my goal should be. I feel that 'one at a timing it' (O' Brother Where Art Thou reference), or planting seeds as you say, would be a futile effort.
I'd actually like to see the results of a scientific snap poll performed at their April tea-bag rallies across the country with as many respondents as possible. Questions like: Did you vote in the last presidential election? Do you support Financial Regulatory Reform? Then delve into further specifics. You get my point?
Of course, the questions and the questioner would have to be presented in a non-threatening manner else their radar would trip and their defenses would go up.
btw - if you haven't seen it you should check out San Fernando Curt's post over in the cafe'.
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February 18, 2010 1:53 PM in reply to expat46
Snap poll idea... too good. Definitely go with the non-threatening. I'll check out the cafe bit you mentioned.
I'd love to see how the parties vary state-by-state....
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human
February 17, 2010 2:22 PM
BWAHAHA! Yeah, you shouldn't be surprised, that is, unless you have two eyes and ears and have seen footage of any teabagger rally. All white? Yup. Racist? Definitely. Completely ignorant? Without a doubt. Rich and educated? Not even close, except maybe their corporate and congressional sponsors.
But when you just swallow the results of a poll where people make up whatever you want, then of course they're going to be more "rich and educated". The whole "movement" is nothing but a giant hateful and ignorant inferiority complex, so of course they're going to have to pad their resumes, so to speak.
Successful and educated people don't have time to waste at teabagger rallies and all day sit-ins at the capitol.
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human
February 17, 2010 2:24 PM in reply to human
btw--making over $50,000 a year hardly qualifies as "rich" in anyone's book, especially with a family to support, so this headline is blatantly misleading.
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Nutter
February 17, 2010 3:06 PM in reply to human
50,000 a year a just a few thousand over the poverty like of 40,000 something. Are we importing tea baggers from Mexico or something?
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hbobrien
February 17, 2010 3:13 PM in reply to human
Median US individual income is about $33K/yr, per the Census Bureau. (Note: .PDF file) Since we're talking about individual voters, household income, whose median is about $50K, doesn't apply. So $50K probably puts you at about the 60th or 70th percentile. "Rich"? Perhaps not. But certainly making more money than the majority of people in the country.
People tend to vastly overestimate what the medians are in this field. The US is nowhere near as broadly well-off as a total society as many want to believe.
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baba2nde
February 17, 2010 2:22 PM
My 7 year old attends college too. It is a small K-to-4 operated by the U of Something
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Knothead Jake
February 17, 2010 2:22 PM
The incredibillies (college edumacated teascrotes) just use the ones who dress in stars and stripeswear as cover, in case the facists come to take them to the concentration camps that their ScroteBoss Glenda Beck warned them about.
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calbearinillinois
February 17, 2010 2:22 PM
"College Educated" is a misnomer. Anyone who takes a course at the community college can check the box on a poll as having "some college". Even if they expanded it to degrees, there's no real correlation between "education" and insight, wisdom or open-mindedness. Humanities majors have to defend their positions more than tech majors, for example, and people who go to elite schools are more likely to get a broader exposure to different ideas. Although you can still go to Yale or Harvard and be a conservative, narrow-minded asshole (see Bush, GW) by and large you are less likely to be a blind follower of movements.
From what I've seen at rallies, the Teaparty is full of the sort of people with AA/BA/BS degrees in stuff like administration, acctg/bookkeeping, engineering and other vocation oriented programs that probably never forced them to think outside of their own comfortable preconceptions about life and what they are entitled to as Americans. They also seem to be older on average and less likely to have been educated in settings that valued multiculturalism and diversity of thought. As a result what seems like idiotic drivel to someone with an appreciation for a wider range of viewpoints or a more complete knowledge of our nation's past sounds just right to them, since it reinforces their own self-image and rationalizations.
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Silence
February 17, 2010 2:47 PM in reply to calbearinillinois
How old are you? Let me guess. 18? 19?
In a few years, you'll discover that life in the real world is far different from life on your college campus.
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calbearinillinois
February 17, 2010 3:34 PM in reply to Silence
You really don't want to get into this with me, little man. You have no idea what I've seen, done and dealt with. My observations were based on what I've lived, not some second hand fume sniffing from either intellectual elites or right wing radio blowhards. But you, by all means, are welcome to leave here and go back to the comfort of the echo chamber.
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mpav
February 17, 2010 3:39 PM in reply to calbearinillinois
Go Bears!
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Silence
February 17, 2010 3:43 PM in reply to calbearinillinois
LOL. 19.
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MollyNYC
February 17, 2010 3:46 PM in reply to Silence
Ah yes--the old "I can't argue on facts, so I'll imply that the college kid's brains, education, youth and (in this case) well-considered argument can be trumped by my geezerly perspective" routine.
Calbearinillinois, in the future, when you are out of college and in the so-called "real world," you will recognize (if you haven't already) that (a) every college grad has heard some version of Silence's embittered insistence that if you don't agree with whatever drivel he's parroting, it's because you're too young and naive to know (as Silence does) what a sh|t sandwich life truly is; (b) the use of such ad hominum crap is a sure sign that he's got nothing more convincing with which to make his point; and (c) if, at an instant when Silence is contemplating you and your prospects, he could be packed in a vacuum tube and frozen to 0 Kelvin, we would have the international platinum-iridium standard for jealousy.
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calbearinillinois
February 17, 2010 4:00 PM in reply to MollyNYC
FYI, Molly, I'm waaay out of college (at least as a student). I was probably a lot more cynical then, in the classic meaning of the term sophmore.
Normally I wouldn't have fired back, but I just have a strong aversion to un-Silence's ignorance and efforts to put everyone else down.
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hbobrien
February 17, 2010 5:56 PM in reply to Silence
"How old are you? Let me guess. 18? 19?"
Unlikely. They're not swearing enough. Plus they don't show that certainty captured by the t-shirt: "Hire a teenager while they still know everything!"
"In a few years, you'll discover that life in the real world is far different from life on your college campus."
See? That kind of certainty. The kind that makes Republicanism, libertarianism, and objectivism so appealing to a teenagers-of-all-ages demographic.
As has been said:
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February 17, 2010 2:50 PM in reply to calbearinillinois
True that if you come from a family where most people haven't gone to college, you will claim to be college-educated if you have only a few years of college.
I actually don't think this SHOULD be a problem - the majority of the common-sense people who got behind FDR weren't college-educated. They just had common sense.
Unfortunately, we have two issues:
1) Fox News disseminating false information
2) Very few of us are willing to do the unpleasant work of outreach to tea partiers.
But I would like to suggest that more of us could do this. For example, I have found some success in helping people at tea parties to understand that the economic meltdown we've just experienced isn't largely due to evil minority home-owners, which is what they were told on Fox News.
You won't "convert" most - but you can plant the seed of a question. And that may in the long run be more effective.
Don't forget that a lot of these people used to be Democrats before Nixon's Southern Strategy. They can be won back, but it won't happen without effort.
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Steaming Pile
February 17, 2010 2:23 PM
Read the whole thing. It's not like this is a big-ass movement. We're talking about a teeny fringe here, about what the Green Party might get on Election Day in a really good year.
Given money to any organization
associated with the Tea Party
movement
February 12-15, 2020(sic) yes 2% no 97%
Attended a rally or meeting held by any
organization associated with the Tea Party
movement
February 12-15, 2010 yes 5% no 95%
Took any other active steps to support
the Tea Party movement, either in person
or through e-mail or on the internet
February 12-15, 2010 yes 7% no 92%
So if you figure "any other active steps" can be just about anything, including forwarding a chain email, that's seven percent. That's it. The whole thing. A handful of rich people at the top (the first question) trying to instigate an insurrection among the unwashed masses (the second question) in order to influence the rest of us (the third question). And it's not going all that well. Certainly not as well as the anti-Iraq War protests in '03 or the Dean For America movement in '04.
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Steaming Pile
February 17, 2010 2:27 PM in reply to Steaming Pile
It gets better. The signature poll results are based on this:
RESULTS IN COLUMN LABELLED "TEA PARTY ACTIVISTS" BASED ON 124 INTERVIEWS WITH RESPONDENTS WHO ANSWERED "YES, HAVE DONE SO" TO ANY ITEM IN QUESTION 24. SAMPLING ERROR: +/-9 PERCENTAGE POINTS.
Question 24 refers to any of the three questions in my parent comment above, including the catch-all third comment, which as I mentioned before, has more wiggle room than M. C. Hammer's parachute pants.
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DCCyclone
February 17, 2010 3:14 PM in reply to Steaming Pile
Steaming Pile wins "best comment" for identifying the most important fact about the CNN teabagger poll that the blog entry author Evan missed. When you're talkin' 124 respondents and a 9% margin of error, that sample is so small and the margin of error so high that the results aren't really worth very much. You can validly use the results very broadly to confirm some of what we already know from other evidence, that the teabaggers are whiter and much more male than the general population, but you can't really trust the numbers themselves or draw any other conclusions from a sample this small.
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Steaming Pile
February 17, 2010 2:35 PM in reply to Steaming Pile
Yet more lying about statistics:
(cohort/TP/all)
18-29 years old 20% 20%
30-49 years old 40% 35%
50-64 years old 29% 27%
65 and older 12% 17%
Note that the 30-49 cohort is twice as big as the other ones. They're hiding a lot of 40-something teabaggers in there, I bet. If you break this in half age-wise and assume both partial cohorts are equal, that would be 61% over the age of 40. I bet it's higher.
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Impishparrot
February 17, 2010 3:13 PM in reply to Steaming Pile
Good catch.
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bluesplashy
February 17, 2010 7:42 PM in reply to Steaming Pile
Thank you.
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Silence
February 17, 2010 2:43 PM in reply to Steaming Pile
VA, NJ, MA.
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hbobrien
February 17, 2010 3:20 PM in reply to Steaming Pile
"We're talking about a teeny fringe here, about what the Green Party might get on Election Day in a really good year."
Which is why the press loves 'em. Tea Party stories are basically "silly season" stories. They're considered newsworthy because they're so outside most people's experience.
Reporting on what everyday people think and everyday people do would be "boring," and thus not "newsworthy" -- even if vastly more representative of reality.
This analysis can also be applied as to why "good news" is reported so rarely. "No dramatic conflict," the journos would say. That dramatic conflict is a narrative device imposed on reality by the writer escapes them.
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February 17, 2010 4:23 PM in reply to hbobrien
I disagree. I think it's important to keep your eye on this group, fractured as it is.
What concerns me is that a lot of the coverage here tends to mock them. They're worthy of mocking, that much is true. But they're also potentially a very dangerous group.
And so it's not that they shouldn't be covered. But we should be asking what is behind this.
And I'm afraid calling them racist isn't sufficient. It's certainly a factor. But there are larger underlying economic issues. Which is why I think this CNN poll is mistaken.
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Silence
February 17, 2010 2:38 PM
Your left-wing sources have lied to you about the TEA party.
However, lies can be comforting.
Who is John Galt?
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Nutter
February 17, 2010 3:01 PM in reply to Silence
You elected a guy that bought Massacuhutes Rommney-Care.
But that was a killer blow on health care.
You lost NY-23, the reddest of the red in a deep blue, after picking a tea bagger.
But that means you guys still win!
You lost the House AND the Senate.
But that means that the democrats are losing.
Democrats outnumber Republicans about two to one.
But that means that most people are Republicans.
You lost the Presidency to a BLACK man.
You see why I can't take you seriously?
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Shoto
February 17, 2010 3:02 PM in reply to Silence
Which left-wing sources, exactly?
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expat46
February 17, 2010 3:13 PM in reply to Silence
Who is John Galt? I'll tell you, John Galt is a fictional character developed by someone who's ideology has been thoroughly proven wrong. Here is what a close personal friend of Ayn Rand has to say about her world view.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqe0VqIOrFQ
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lousgirl84
February 17, 2010 4:00 PM in reply to expat46
Ayn Rand didn't even know if she was male or female (nor did most people who met her) Lol.
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Greg
February 17, 2010 4:21 PM in reply to expat46
I love how the ability to write a work of fiction (and poorly so, might I add- the first rule of "show, don't tell," is "no 20-page monologues, plzkthx") equates to being the foremost conservative philosopher, ever. TOTALLY MAKES SENSE.
I mean, I'm pretty sure I could construct an unbelievably contrived, straw-mannish universe that proves that socialism is right and capitalism is wrong. In fact, I'm pretty sure Steinbeck *did*, a few times. But only Rand could manage to come up with a worldview by which things that she says in her strawmannish, contrived stories *must* be true, because she's the one true objective capitalist visionary-queen, because of tautology.
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expat46
February 17, 2010 9:34 PM in reply to Greg
Good point about Steinbeck.
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hbobrien
February 17, 2010 3:29 PM in reply to Silence
"Who is John Galt?"
A fictional character from the world's biggest opponent to freedom? Ms. Rand was all in favor of individual choice -- just as long as you agreed with her. She was all in favor of the free market -- as long as the market agreed with her.
90% of those who "go Galt" are parasites who'll never be missed. I'll bet the person who said, "Keep your government hands off my Medicare," thought they were "going Galt."
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Grannus
February 18, 2010 5:49 AM in reply to Silence
You are speaking of course about the TeaKluxKlan.
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joevan
February 17, 2010 2:38 PM
Not shocking. They're ordinary right-Republicans. The same clowns who voted for GWB.
The Tea Party bullshit isn't anything new--it's just a psychological way to save face: Rather than admit Republican policy and conservative ideology have been a massive failure they throw a few embarrassing folks overboard (Bush? No, not a REAL conservative) and say the failure was only in not being pure enough.
Presto--same shit, no responsibility, blame their fear and insecurity on the usual liberals blah blah
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cmaukonen
February 17, 2010 2:56 PM
Humm...now we know what the "College Republicans" do after they graduate from their respective state institutions.
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Lord Mike
February 17, 2010 3:06 PM
So, they misspell all their signs on purpose? What a sneaky trick!
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cmaukonen
February 17, 2010 3:07 PM in reply to Lord Mike
Who said college graduates can spell.
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Silence
February 17, 2010 3:30 PM in reply to Lord Mike
YES. Hundreds of thousands of people misspelled their signs..every last one of them.
BTW, where are the jobs?
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rmwarnick
February 17, 2010 3:08 PM
I assumed the Tea Partiers were die-hard Bush twenty-percenters, trying to re-brand themselves as Independents to stay relevant. If 1/3 say they are Democrats, then I might be wrong.
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Cool Blue Reason
February 17, 2010 3:39 PM in reply to rmwarnick
Former PUMAs, perhaps?
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expat46
February 17, 2010 4:15 PM in reply to Cool Blue Reason
and the remnants of the Ron Paul army.
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again
February 17, 2010 5:04 PM in reply to Cool Blue Reason
I've met no PUMAs among the tea partiers. I'm not denying it's possible, but everyone I've met within the tea parties who has an opinion on the Clintons has an overwhelmingly negative view of the Clintons. Bill AND Hillary.
I sometimes wonder whether they felt that way about Bill during his actual Presidency. He did have an ability to reach out to these types -part of that was obviously that he's white. Another part is that he was able to communicate with such a broad range of people.
I can't think of a more talented politician - it's why I am so sorry his Presidency was so wasted by so many bad decisions. I think the reason we don't see it for what it was is that what followed in the next 8 years was so, so, so very bad.
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Redwood Rhiadra
February 17, 2010 4:39 PM in reply to rmwarnick
The "1/3" Democrats is for the whole sample, not the Tea Party sample. Among the Tea partiers, it was 44% GOP, 52% "Independent" - aka "never voted for a Democrat in their life".
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again
February 17, 2010 5:09 PM in reply to Redwood Rhiadra
I beg to differ. You'll find people who voted for Kennedy or Carter. A lot of these are "Reagan Democrats", e.g., people who cast their first GOP vote for Ronnie.
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ohyeathatsright
February 17, 2010 3:10 PM
Frat Boys. Got it.
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benintn
February 17, 2010 3:44 PM in reply to ohyeathatsright
You nailed it. Frat boys. Hoods optional.
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Impishparrot
February 17, 2010 3:12 PM
Other common characteristics: Racism, bigotry, and misogyny.
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jsdc007
February 17, 2010 3:23 PM
Well, Sarah Palin is technically a college graduate as well.
Having a college education doesn't necessarily make you intelligent or knowledgable. After all, the guy with a D- average from Party U. is also a college grad. As is Ms. Palin.
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AhTrini1
February 17, 2010 3:23 PM
I bet my Black bottom that they lying!!!!!
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jsdc007
February 17, 2010 3:25 PM
Also the poll results say that "[n]early three quarters of Tea Party activists attended college . . . ."
Attending "college" (another term open to interpretation) doesn't imply that you graduated.
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FreemanW
February 17, 2010 3:27 PM
"A new CNN poll"
Now that's funny.
Ignorance polling ignorance; it's amazing that the resulting poll is comprehensible.
Wun wud axpekt a Tee Partee poster frum CNN
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Outraged
February 17, 2010 3:29 PM
Probably the most common refrains you hear from these "folks" are "I never paid much attention to politics before (I lost my job, a black man became president, etc.) or "I don't know much about...", or lastly, my favorite "I only watch Fox News because they're the only one's telling us the truth...".
Doesn't sound like the naturally inquisitive mind of someone who's been to college to me, or at least they missed the point of the whole exercise.
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mans_best_friend
February 17, 2010 3:29 PM
Hmmm... 4% describe themselves as Democrats and 5% say they voted for a Democratic candidate for US House. Good match.
52% describe themselves as Independent and 44% as Republican, while 87% say they voted for a Republican candidate for US House. Independent my ass.
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mtiffany
February 17, 2010 3:47 PM
Yeah, and I'll bet their MySpace profiles say pretty much the same thing: "I'm young, educated, and make 100K+ a year!"
And seriously -- take a gander at the sampling error in that poll -- +/- 9% gives total overlap between the Tea Douchebags and the general population.
In other words: true to the CNN form, their poll hasn't told us shit.
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rawresolve
February 17, 2010 3:48 PM
Education in not always the antidote to willful ignorance, racism, selfishness, greed and a sociopathic disposition.
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Heraldblog
February 17, 2010 3:52 PM
"According to the results, tea partiers are richer, more male and have more education than the general population."
Hey, wait a minute. That's the same demographic as gay Americans!
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big jonny
February 17, 2010 3:58 PM
These guys are college graduates like Joe is a plumber.
Ignorance, apparently, knows no bounds.
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czony
February 17, 2010 4:00 PM
The thing I hear most from this group is government is too big? If you check the figures * it’s smaller than it was in 1962, (except for the Judicial Branch). In 1962 the population was 186,537,737, now it's at 315,534,736. If you use the logic of the Glen Beck and Sara Palin, in which everything was better back in the day, it would follow that was because government was bigger. That’s logical right? So we need to we need to hire more government employee’s! Look at the figures during the giddy years of Regan and Bush Senior….biggest government ever!
*http://www.opm.gov/feddata/HistoricalTables/TotalGovernmentSince1962.asp
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Mike J
February 17, 2010 4:07 PM
Then it's official, this is the racist wing of the GOP. As a Black man, I knew this wing existed all along. Change the title from Male to White racist Male.
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runfastandwin
February 17, 2010 4:08 PM
Whatever else they are, they are 100 percent against having a black man as president.
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cmaukonen
February 17, 2010 4:19 PM in reply to runfastandwin
You got that right. Bottom line me thinks.
C
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al75
February 17, 2010 4:18 PM
I agree with 'shortstop' below: the teabag group rank above the US average on income/education because they're white (i.e. members of a cohort with elevated income etc). If you rank them among white people, I suspect you'd see them moving below average.
In short, you're back to the old story of the rural, socially marginal racist; white folks who are worried (usually with good reason) that they're losing ground in society.
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again
February 17, 2010 4:26 PM in reply to al75
I think that income is "self-reported" to the poll takers.
It's about as accurate as describing Joe the Plumber as a licensed plumber. He never was, and he never made the money he claimed.
White v. non-white in terms of income? So a group of white waiters should make more money than an equal number of Indian cardiologists?
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Murka
February 17, 2010 4:23 PM
This is kind of meaningless, because people who are politically active are likely to be better educated than people who aren't. Why not compare the tea types to progressive activists rather than your average person?
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Duncan Hines
February 17, 2010 4:25 PM
Physical evidence from tea bag parties-- wording on signs, stretch pants and firearms-- suggests that this poll is based on information which might require verification.
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Waltz
February 17, 2010 4:29 PM
Attended college, or graduated college? Attending for a semester and getting pissed off and leaving because you think your professor is trying to take your rights away because you have to study the civil rights movement doesn't count.
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again
February 17, 2010 4:38 PM
Entirely separate point: I think we may all be overestimating the value of a college diploma.
I worked with plenty of Ivy League grads who were completely clueless.
Example: one who thought the US had interned Chinese-Americans during WWII.
I had to explain to them what constituted Axis v. Allied powers. Then I went to the restroom and screamed.
That person is now managing a well-known hedge fund. Viva the Ivy League meritocracy.
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Bass Ace
February 17, 2010 4:57 PM
So where do all the militia "patriots" fit in there? There has to be a lot of them, and I can't see them as "rich and college educated".
And if so many Teabaggers are educated, why can none of them spell?
Something's screwy about this.
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Scott in PacNW
February 17, 2010 5:14 PM
Except for the education part, this is no surprise. It fits the Pew politcal typology research from a few years ago.
See the 'enterpriser' group described at http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=949
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apmat
February 17, 2010 5:34 PM
Wow! 80% white means that this movement is 20% non-white . . . 1 in 5. When you see these tea-party rallys in the media, either local or national, the non-white proportion is closer to 1 in 500 than 1 in 5. Do think there might have been a little "fibbin'" going on when responses were provided to the pollster?
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zuch
February 17, 2010 5:52 PM
... but inexplicably still dumb as a bag of rocks. Watching FauxSnooze does that to you. There ought to be a Surgeon General's warning.
Cheers,
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FreemanW
February 17, 2010 5:55 PM in reply to zuch
On behalf of the rock lobby, I resent your casting aspersions upon our good name and inherent intelligence.
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FreemanW
February 17, 2010 5:53 PM
If Tea Party membership were subjected to hanging as the punishment for displaying ignorance in their pursuit of free speech, it would be a party of none.
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zuch
February 17, 2010 5:53 PM
Has anyone compared pictures of Tea Party rallies against known Republican congressional staffers ala the Miami/Dade Rent-A-Riot contingent? That might explain the demographics as well...
Cheers,
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mycomment
February 17, 2010 6:26 PM
please. do you think teabaggers are going to respond honestly to a friggin cnn poll.
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sbv
February 17, 2010 7:23 PM
i will believe this poll when pigs fly! i've seen the people the enamored msm shows continuously of these guys; the only thing i will buy is they are white!
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bluebell
February 17, 2010 7:34 PM
This is the demographic that Tim Pawlenty has attracted. I call it the white guy victims. They're not as smart as they think they are and they aren't doing as well as believe they deserve to do and they blame everyone else for their mediocre lives. And too bad for them, they probably are working as hard as their fathers did, maybe longer hours, fewer benefits, wives working and doing as well or better than they are, but they still can't get all they believe they deserve to have. They've been brainwashed into believing they were going to be the winners of Reaganism and they can't see that they're really among its losers. There is only so much room in the top 1%.
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PASC
February 17, 2010 9:40 PM
Oh, come on. It's well known that people -- especially prideful, ego-driven guys -- lie about their education and income all the time on surveys! Duh!
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xargaw
February 17, 2010 9:43 PM
If it is true that the majority of these people are educated then why have we only seen people interviewed at these events that are rather inarticulate and very poorly informed about who has done what in the government? They are not readers. They don't seem to know much about the detail of pending legislation. They don't know about the recent past of what's happened in D.C., etc. They are all poorly informed. They sure don't seem like an educated bunch at all. They seem more like a bunch of angry white racists. Look how spoke at their convention a couple weeks ago.
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unknowncitizen
February 18, 2010 12:40 AM
One aspect of this article really strikes me as inexplicable. The teapartiers are described as "rich" through interpreting the the empirical data of 66% of them made over $50k gross annual income. While I guess that's technically true since non teapartiers had only 42% making over $50k, that's a way, way, way different way to deliniate rich from non-rich than the traditional discussions of the metrics for delineating the two groups.
During the POTUS campaign you weren't rich unless you had a taxable income of $250K which probably meant you made $275-$300K gross. A distinction that like maybe 1-2% of citizens enjoy, and Joe the Plumber tried to will himself into.
As long as members of households making $50 to $100k gross a year (paying max fed and state payroll taxes rates, max local real estate wealth taxes, full freight into group health plans, continouous cash streams into disability, property and auto insurance, full retail residential rates for public service regulated cable, phone, internet, power, fuel, etc. walk around voting like the most important tax discussion to them is federal personal income tax rates on the tens maybe hundreds of billions of dollars that the tiny percentage of Americans making over $250k haul in (money that's essentially uncut by ANY other taxes or socializations), we're f'd.
Why do the middle argue for the rich on income taxes but then ignore the free pass the wealthy get on all the massively more relavent progressive taxes and recurring somewhat socialized household expenses that are only progressive from $0 to about $120K income? The super wealthy pay no more in dollars per individual ( I'd bet it's less in many cases) than the people making $110k for anything (excepting maybe medicare taxes on very high salaries/wages) but income taxes.
For example a healthy millionaire pays less into the healthcare system per year (they leave their money in their wallets until they are actually sick) than say a healthy "best of breed" factory worker, plumber or electrician, even though because health expenses are largely socialized across the whole population (social classes and age groups) the healthy well paid WORKER throughout most of his/her life pays 5 to ten times what his/her actual annual healthcare expenses are every year for decades into group insurance plans and medicare. Then in the end, when any of us enter our end of life years (rich, middle or poor) it's a pure casino of circumstances as to what individuals will reef through millions of dollars in healthcare expenditures, whether personal assets will be collected for those expenses, whether government assistance programs will be depleted, or whether death occurs suddenly with no significant healthcare expenses at all.
I pay more (sometimes by orders of magnitude) and recieve less than the disfortunate for nearly everything except lottery tickets, cigarettes, liquor and unsecured loan interest (if I ever bought any of that stuff). Food, housing, doctors, car insurance, public schools, municipal services, electricity, rent, heating fuel, public transportation, college education, medicine, internet access, telephone service, and I'm sure many others things are available at various forms of need based discounts/ give aways.
I'm not knocking this progressiveness, I actually think it works pretty good. What baffles me is how many in the $50 to $110K crowd who are at or nearing the bitter upper end of so many sliding scales for all these items don't only remain silent about the fact that the sliding scale goes flat at about $110K, lot's of us go absolutely rabid about how unfair and damaging it is to have those super wealthy +$300K/ earners have to pay just a small increment higher than the rest of us on the ONLY thing that they are asked to pay extra for at all - income taxes. It's the same as if a protest group of homeless people, unemployed people, bus boys, hotel maids and day laborers marched on Washington to demand workers making more $75k should have their payroll taxes and group health insurance premiums cut. I don't think that will happen though, those people apparently aren't that stupid.
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Nasai
February 18, 2010 3:30 AM
Since when did 60% constitute an overwhelming majority concerning gender? The title of the article suggests that tea partiers are mostly males, yet the statistics within seem to suggest the opposite - that the group is made up of a gender-diverse population.
Onto another statistic, the college attendance claim. Even if the statistics in this article concerning the makeup of the group that attended college were the accurate ones ("Nearly 3 quarters"), rather than the statistics within the linked article (40%), the author fails yet again to establish a clear difference between tea partiers and the average population. Assuming that we can conclude that "Nearly 3 quarters" represents the percentage equivalent range of 62.5% - 74.999% (50%-62.499% being "over half" and 75%-87.499% being "over 3 quarters", etc), the mean of this range would be 68.75%. The article states that 54% of Americans attend college, meaning that tea partiers are only 127% more likely to attend college than the average population ((68.75 / 54) * 100%). Perhaps if the figures showed that tea partiers were at least twice as likely to attend college, the author's implication would begin to hold water.
The article linked within this article actually shows that tea partiers are less likely to attend college, which goes against the premise that this article seems to be suggesting; tea partiers are privelidged, rich, white males and that they therefore have no reason to complain about anything.
I dont feel that I need to get into the mathematical breakdown for the income statistics of this article. I will simply say that "66% of tea partiers make over $50,000" is insufficient data to suggest that tea partiers are paricularly rich in comparison with the rest of the nation.
The article also states that half of the the partiers live in rural areas, which implies that the other half live in urban areas, which again only serves to highlight the diversity of the demographic, not the other way around.
The other issue I must address is: so what? Even if this article even came close to establishing tea partiers as a very different group from the average citizen, what would it really mean? Is a man's opinion worth less because he is a man? Can a rich individual not complain because he/she is rich?
The author seems to assume that tea partiers attempt to represent their selves as underprivileged, downtrodden people asking for some sort of break. If this is the case, I must argue that the political philosophies of conservatives and libertarians includes that people should not be getting special treatment because of race, wealth or lack thereof, gender, etc. I can only assume that this is what the author is suggesting because at least it has a chance at being logically valid, as anyone holding the beliefs i stated in the previous paragraph would be bigoted at best.
If the author has any evidence that a majority of tea partiers are hypocritical, that is the type of statistic I would like to see; and ample evidence supporting it.
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lousgirl84
February 18, 2010 10:18 AM in reply to Nasai
Great post. Thanks
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Silence
February 18, 2010 9:06 AM
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 18 Feb 2010 at 02:04:03 PM GMT is:
$ 1 2 , 3 9 0 , 8 2 2 , 8 5 0 , 9 5 0 . 6 9
The estimated population of the United States is 307,862,087
so each citizen's share of this debt is $40,247.97.
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Brownbagger
February 18, 2010 10:44 AM in reply to Silence
Send the bill for my share to George W. Bush at his former pig farm/now compound in the Republic of Texas.
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Knapper
February 20, 2010 10:16 PM
The numbers on all of the catagories all throughout favored the dems untill the last 124 tea baggers, which seemed to throw off the whole outcome of the poll. What I would like to know and wasn't answered in the poll is how many of those college educated rural males were part of the Carter dems that became Reagan democrates and had most of their college funding provided by state and federal programs. And now it seems as though the recipients are becoming just a little bit uppity, now that their educated . Saying that these people are rich with incomes around fifty thousand is just not factual.
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Tosh
June 6, 2010 7:38 PM
"Every day for 17 years, I've put my house, savings, health insurance and retirement at risk to ship product and make a payroll."
And I spent 20 years, in 30 different countries, at war, at both North & South Poles, on land or underway....so your tired little take-off artist as slept with your He-Man doll. Butthi sis useless on you...you dont identify service as 'giving it up'..only business..youre hardwiring is fucked up...
Yea, pantywaist...sure..it's what your mama always liked...hiked up to her waist and breechloaded. Who's your daddy, bitch?
and all talk no walk...I get the idea youre in DC...just a stones throw away...so let me know where youre at pussyboy.
And thanks for the laugh.
m65 kamagra
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