
At a DNC fundraiser last night, President Obama had an interesting exchange with a Democratic organizer about health care reform, wherein he appeared to suggest that Congress could drop the ball and fail to pass a bill--and that voters should judge them harshly if they do.
"[I]t may be that -- you know, if Congress decides -- if Congress decides we're not going to do it, even after all the facts are laid out, all the options are clear, then the American people can make a judgment as to whether this Congress has done the right thing for them or not," Obama said.
Curious, because in the same appearance, Obama came closer than he's yet come to laying out a process and a timeline for getting the bill done (I'll give you a hint, not for several weeks).
"What I'd like to do is have a meeting whereby I'm sitting with the Republicans, sitting with the Democrats, sitting with health care experts, and let's just go through these bills -- their ideas, our ideas -- let's walk through them in a methodical way so that the American people can see and compare what makes the most sense," Obama said.
And then I think that we've got to go ahead and move forward on a vote. We've got to move forward on a vote. But as I said at the State of the Union, I think we should be very deliberate, take our time. We're going to be moving a jobs package forward over the next several weeks; that's the thing that's most urgent right now in the minds of Americans all across the country. And that will allow everybody to get the real facts, both about the health care crisis that we face, why it's so important for deficit reduction, why it's so important for families all across the country.
It's hard to know what to make of this. On the one hand: Obama says he sees a way forward, and lays it out pretty clearly. But on the other hand, as Greg Sargent notes, he's pretty clearly suggesting Congress might just completely drop the ball. That could be a warning shot at Congress, or it could be an attempt to put some distance between his presidency and the potential failure of his signature initiative. Either way, it's probably left some people on the Hill feeling disgruntled. Or at least confused.
Maritza
February 5, 2010 11:11 AM
I think it was more of a warning to Democrats that if they don't pass HCR then voters who voted them in office will take it out on them in the midterm elections.
Obama's plan is to get the jobs bill passed first then they will do health care reform.
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sbv
February 5, 2010 11:22 AM in reply to Maritza
please call speaker of the house pelosi and your representative and tell them to pass the senate health care bill. yes, it is flawed, yes it has faults and most definitely disappointments; but at this point, passage of nothing will have far reaching consequences. the possibility of losing both the house and especially the senate is very real; and if so, nothing important to any of us will get done.
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barbara63
February 5, 2010 1:00 PM in reply to sbv
I've called my Rep three times and I will call again today.
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JorgeOrwell
February 5, 2010 1:59 PM in reply to sbv
They pass that piece of garbage corporate welfare package and they will have sealed their fate in November.
Here is a great article from Kevin Baker at Harper's, explaining how these half measures will destroy the Democrats AND Obama...
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/07/0082562?redirect=1982284879
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For Want of a Nail
February 5, 2010 4:31 PM in reply to sbv
I've called and told them not to pass it. Make the senate pass the house bill. The senate bill is toxic and I would vote against incumbent who voted for it.
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JorgeOrwell
February 5, 2010 5:30 PM in reply to For Want of a Nail
And I find it quite funny that Obama is calling the Congress out on inaction. Ha,ha,ha! That is a knee slapper.
He is being called Barack "Hoover" Obama in some circles....
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/07/0082562?redirect=1982284879
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jenesq
February 6, 2010 8:11 AM in reply to JorgeOrwell
"Some say he's Hoover"....How completely idiotic (as most memes are). In some circles, people who fall for those kinds of inapposite comparisons are considered to be sort of silly.
Congress is a co-equal branch of government. They're all supposed to be big boys and girls who don't need handholding and coddling from the President, and they need to act like it.
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JorgeOrwell
February 6, 2010 9:28 AM in reply to jenesq
He is the CEO! Get a grip. You think FDR and LBJ just sat on the sidelines like Obama. You are clearly pretty naive about how politics work.
But oddly enough I agree with you in one respect. Neither Obama nor the Congress have any idea of how to lead.
I have argued time and again this two party system is broken. Time for some new blood and ideas.
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Tommy Douglas
February 5, 2010 12:05 PM in reply to Maritza
Reconciliation please! Say the word, Mr. Obama.
Do you really want to be weak and be "sitting with the Republicans, sitting with the Democrats, sitting with health care experts, and let's just go through these bills -- their ideas, our ideas -- let's walk through them in a methodical way."
What a gift and victory that would be for the Republican Party.
Get your hands dirty and help the Senate pass a side-car amendment with a Public Option. It can be done with your support and LEADERSHIP.
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JorgeOrwell
February 5, 2010 1:54 PM in reply to Maritza
It may have been a warning, and I think he absolutely correct on that point. I mean, I am a right fiscally conservative independent who actually worked for the Obama campaign and I will b voting third party next November if the PO is scuttled.
But Obama and Rahm Limbaugh have some real culpability here. They shouldn't have made deals with Pharma and big insurance last Summer in closed door meetings.
They totally tied the hands of real reformers in the Senate and House with those bill writing sessions in the White House.
I tell ya, if he doesn't pull his head out on the public option and these Wall Street bailouts, HE is doomed in '12.
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JorgeOrwell
February 5, 2010 1:56 PM in reply to JorgeOrwell
Can you say "Herbert Hoover"?
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lousgirl84
February 5, 2010 8:02 PM in reply to JorgeOrwell
This story is running at huffpo
Franken Lays Out 'Pledge And Pass' Strategy For Health Care
Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn) called on Friday for Senate Democrats to commit to passing amendments to its health care legislation through the process of reconciliation -- so that the House can then pass legislation of its own.
In a call organized by the pro-reform group Health Care for America Now, the Minnesota Democrat laid out what he called a "pledge and pass" strategy for getting a bill into law.
"If we in the Senate pledge to fix those top priorities right away through reconciliation... the House of Representatives should pass the Senate bill. The exact details of this process need to be worked out by the leadership and the president."
Franken also tried to alleviate some of the concerns of those who argue that the Senate legislation -- even with reconciliation fixes -- doesn't go far enough.
"Like it or not, the reality is that big pieces of legislation often need to be fixed after passage," he said. "Health care is a historic undertaking and this is no different. I think we have to stop letting the perfect -- and everyone has different definitions of perfect -- we have to stop letting the perfect be the enemy of the good... Walking away empty-handed to me is just not an option."
In offering his preferred procedural remedy for health care's impasse, Franken echoed a emerging sentiment within the Democratic caucus. Sens. Arlen Specter (Penn), Max Baucus (Mont.), Ben Nelson (Neb.) Kent Conrad (ND), Jeff Bingaman (NM), Dick Durbin (Ill.) and others have all either endorsed or openly considered the idea of using reconciliation to change their bill.
There were some crossed messages on the call -- the person who preceded Franken, HCAN National Campaign Manager Richard Kirsch, advocated a slightly different legislative strategy for congressional Democrats.
As Kirsch sees it, the Senate would have to make reconciliation changes to its legislation first before the House would then vote on the entire package.
"A bill can be passed without having to have these 60 votes. The whole 60 votes [thing] is crazy. There is nothing in the constitution about 60 votes," said Kirsch. "Through [budget reconciliation], a lot of what's in that final compromise can still be passed. That would mean that both the Senate and House will pass a budget reconciliation bill and then the House will pass the Senate bill."
"It is totally a matter of political will," Kirsch added. "It is not a matter of procedure. It is up to the Democrats to exercise their political will... and it up to us to help provide the energy behind that."
GO AL!!!
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JorgeOrwell
February 5, 2010 9:14 PM in reply to lousgirl84
Love Al!
Now, this Kirsch idea sounds more intriguing. If the Senate can prove they are willing to shoulder some of the negative corporate PR after passage, I think that is reasonable.
Pass the "Public Option" and the repeal of the antitrust exemption in the Senate first and THEN merge the bills.
I have been waiting for Al to speak his mind. I gather he was playing a little coy in the interest of decorum. Glad he is now feeling comfortable enough to stand up to the cowards in his party AND the Republicans. He is a great asset to the state of Minnesota. They (and we) are lucky to have him in the Senate.
I just hope we don't lose another independent freshmen voice to the machine.
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JorgeOrwell
February 5, 2010 9:21 PM in reply to JorgeOrwell
Let's just hope this is some grand strategy to get the "public option" and antitrust repeal through and activated by June, so the voters will actually feel the benefits by November (not by 2014).
That would be a helluva a political table turner on the do-nothing Republiturds and would solidify the Congress in the hands of Dems for at least a generation.
One can only hope David Plouffe is now running things in the White House. The removal of Rahm Limbaugh is long overdue.
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lousgirl84
February 5, 2010 2:38 PM in reply to Maritza
I can see nothing in anything he said to indicate this. Quite to the contrary
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JorgeOrwell
February 5, 2010 9:30 PM in reply to lousgirl84
BTW, Thanks for sharing that story. I'm glad to see the new blood in the Senate is lighting some fires under the old machine politicians in both parties!
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goldiera
February 6, 2010 12:12 AM in reply to Maritza
Sure, Santa Claus will be back again in December, too.
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Walter Mitty
February 5, 2010 11:12 AM
And the American people will judge you in two years and this ridiculous stand-on-the-sidelines attitude. You are just as much to blame if it fails - if not more so. But keep living in your ivory tower with a private doctor following you around and your kids and wife having the best available doctors provided at the tax payers dime.
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Economides
February 5, 2010 1:02 PM in reply to Walter Mitty
You forgot the private plane and the personal chef and all the guys who dress up in uniforms with guns who are sworn to follow his orders. Dude even gets a free house.
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goldiera
February 6, 2010 12:13 AM in reply to Walter Mitty
They are all to blame for it's failure...they never intended to pass anything. They work for the insurance, pharma and banking corporations, not the American people.
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rosebowl
February 5, 2010 11:19 AM
The smart politics right now is to get a jobs bill passed first and then a financial reform bill second. The focus on the economy should be of the utmost priority. Then the pivot to health care reform.
Health care reform is going to PASS this year. Bank on it.
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Michael A
February 5, 2010 11:24 AM in reply to rosebowl
Hope that is the strategy.
Just want to add, forget about any repuke imput or assistance at all. They will get none. Ram the stuff through. If repukes stand in the way rub their faces in it.
Time to play hardball. I still don't know what happened the last year. Were they on vacation?
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Schmed
February 5, 2010 11:32 AM in reply to Michael A
I still don't know what happened the last year. Were they on vacation?
Their checks from Aetna, Humana, BSBC, and UHC hadn't cleared before Christmas.
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barbara63
February 5, 2010 12:58 PM in reply to rosebowl
I hope you're right.
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septictank
February 5, 2010 11:22 AM
I've been writing my Senators on a weekly basis to remind them that if they don't get the damn thing passed, I won't bother voting in November. And really, if A-Number-One Base Voter me doesn't come out, the Empire State will have a Republican Senator come November. As Ezra Klein points out, they can do this if they want to. If they don't, the President's right -- he'll be dealing with a Republican Congress.
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goldiera
February 6, 2010 12:20 AM in reply to septictank
They don't care what we think. The supreme court made it official last month, the corporations have been given a green light to pour billions into our elections to buy and sell candidates of their choosing. They don't need your vote, just the money and approval of the big corporations who have taken over this country.
Americans slept too long, we have lost our country.
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jim43
February 5, 2010 11:33 AM
This is a signal that health care reform is over. The Republicans and Tea Partiers have won. Game over...
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog
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Economides
February 5, 2010 1:07 PM in reply to jim43
No, it's not.
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Viva!America!
February 5, 2010 11:43 AM
Sigh! Is this going to be another thread filled with panic and defeatism?
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septictank
February 5, 2010 11:51 AM in reply to Viva!America!
I'm over panic and defeatism. I'm on to anger and resignation. I'm pissed that this is still in doubt. If they don't have the political will to pass it I'll resign myself to the resurrection of Karl Rove's thousand-year reich.
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Viva!America!
February 5, 2010 11:58 AM in reply to septictank
Oh yes, I forgot those two. I should know the routine by now.
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lousgirl84
February 5, 2010 2:40 PM in reply to Viva!America!
Sure looks like it doesn't it. And over nothing really. This is really getting on my fricking nerves
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jenesq
February 6, 2010 8:15 AM in reply to Viva!America!
Yes, and this story is the kind of bait that stirs it up...an overreaching interpretation of the facts presented, with the most ominous spin possible.
Why TPM feels compelled to microanalyze every statement and draw the worst possible conclusion is beyond me.
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JorgeOrwell
February 9, 2010 7:04 PM in reply to Viva!America!
You said it! Why has Obama suddenly become the President of "No We Can't"?
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hopeful still
February 5, 2010 11:50 AM
I have just sent this letter on the White House website.
Dear Mr. President,
Although many of us who supported your campaign in numerous ways understand that the multiple crises you face make governing difficult, we are increasingly disheartened that health care reform is stalled on the 1-yard line. As you surely know, failing to get this done now will cause massive suffering for our fellow citizens for years or decades to come. We need your leadership to get this through, and the mechanism seems obvious: a House-Senate preemptive fix that goes through reconciliation (because a Senate supermajority is now impossible to get), and the House passing the Senate bill. We trust that you are exercising all possible influence toward this solution, the only viable one.
It may well be that the pivot to jobs and financial reform, both desparately needed, are a step toward HCR completion in order to work out the legislative details. But the absence of visible momentum on HCR enables the meme that it is at death's door, which can become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Many of us still have great hopes for your Administration, especially in times of crisis. A more visible effort on this front would be important at this critical juncture.
Thank you for your efforts.
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felix
February 5, 2010 11:51 AM
This guy is unreal. What president in recent memory operated like this? It's disgraceful. His core supporters have been reduced to wasting their time trying to decipher his Yoda-like utterances.
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Schmed
February 5, 2010 1:05 PM in reply to felix
And you call Independents "mouthbreathers" for walking away from this kind of circus. Nice.
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TheRealFish
February 5, 2010 2:33 PM in reply to felix
What president in recent memory operated like this?
None. All presidents in recent memory have just been functional CEOs of the emerging corporatocracy. His was a warning shot with resulting realistic consequences, then a guide for one way to get it done (after all the heat is diverted elsewhere).
Mind you, that's just one possible timeline. Another would be for every one of us to urge (and urge and urge) House progressive reps to suck it up, pass the piece of crap Senate bill, so that any form of HCR becomes Law of the Land. Then that majicks called Budget Reconciliation (the actual full title) can more easily be used, since it was designed to improve the economics of laws already on the books. Any time in the future. The day after the law passes. One year later. Two years later. Whenever.
And it strikes me that, since the CBO already gave figures showing the PO gives the biggest bang for the buck (aside from single payer), there's a really, really easy case to make that substituting the PO for states-based exchanges is a marvelous way to improve the bottom line of this reform already on the books.
Of course, since the exchanges aren't set to kick in for several years, then even if this budget reconciliation takes place next year (assuming we the disillusioned don't hand the legislative shop back over to the skinhead wrecking crew next fall), and maybe also reconcile that plan to kick in immediately, then everything would be just fine.
Yeah, that's just another possibility of a few. As for going out and voting third party out of unreasoned and unregulated anger next fall? If someone actually feels and thinks we are in a worse place right now than we were under Republican control, go ahead. Vote a third party that can not be elected.
That should be very satisfying, running around with spited faces and no noses — and Mitch McConnell as Majority Leader and John Boehner as Speaker. Yeah. That will be much better. After all, things will finally get done again. And none of those things will benefit anybody by the Wall Streeters and top two percenters (just like the previous 30 years).
But, if that comes about, at least we won't have to worry about the next crash taking quite so long. I'm thinking that will make just fine chat-fare for the corporate mass media echo/conflict machine somewhere around 2012.
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goldiera
February 6, 2010 12:17 AM in reply to felix
He is just another corporate stooge, that is why he behaves as he does. Once the powers that be saw we would not accept another clinton or bush, they offered us loser mccain or Obama.
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jenesq
February 6, 2010 8:24 AM in reply to felix
Most presidents in memory did not have the blogosphere obsessing over every utterance and trying to draw the conclusions that best fit their own preconceived biases. Obama has a solid record of accomplishments (not three-dimesional chess, but straightforward accomplishments), which are conveniently ignored because they don't fit the narrative. The left can be as bad as the right, and sometimes worse, because at least the right doesn't eat its own.
People have this fictitious belief that previous presidents led Congress around by the nose, and that is utter bullshit. Bush had Congressional authorization for his biggest blunders (Iraq et al) and utterly failed to achieve his primary domestic aims (privatization of Social Security and immigration reform). Clinton...well, anyone alive in the 90s should remember that. You can go back throughout history, and all presidents have failed to achieve some of their goals, even FDR and LBJ (who inexplicably has become a godlike darling of the same left who hated his guts in the 60s because of Vietnam...and even he didn't get exactly what he wanted from Congress).
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agio
February 5, 2010 12:00 PM
If Congress does drop healthcare reform altogether then I'd say our nation is officially ungovernable by its people.
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Schmed
February 5, 2010 1:07 PM in reply to agio
Don't worry. Big Brother, Inc. will take care of us. Now, thanks to the SCOTUS, they'll be able to manage the show from out in the open.
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bdtex
February 5, 2010 12:02 PM
Whatever the plan is,Congress and the Obama Administration have until the August recess to get it done. That's when the window closes. The problem is that in the meantime,they gotta ask folks to donate $$$ and time to campaigns for the November elections. I got a DNC fundraising letter from Pres. Obama today. Until I see some results,no Congressional candidate or federal office campaign committee is getting anything from me.
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Viva!America!
February 5, 2010 12:05 PM
I am always fascinated by how one blogger can take one sentence and spread unnecessary doubt and fear throughout the blogosphere.
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septictank
February 5, 2010 1:36 PM in reply to Viva!America!
I wish it were unnecessarily doubtful or fearful to worry about whether or not even this cautious, incrementalist (but, yes, historic and desperately needed nonetheless) package of reforms will pass, but it's plainly not. There has been a lot of unhealthy obsessing and parsing of this stuff in the blogosphere, but really, odds of passage are at best even at this point, and the Senate Democrats have proven themselves hopelessly undisciplined and compromised time and time again. This is all stuff worth getting upset and obsessive about if you care about the cause of healthcare reform or progressivism or whatever.
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Pintop
February 5, 2010 12:05 PM
Don't worry kids.... President Obama took the Health Care Bill to live on a farm. It's very happy there and has lots of room to run.
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Pintop
February 5, 2010 12:13 PM in reply to Pintop
Yes, President Obama promises you can visit the health care bill. When? Well... not this week, but soon....
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JohnMcCSF
February 5, 2010 12:12 PM
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/02/its_just_you_democrats.html
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Xpostfactoid
February 5, 2010 12:15 PM
"To live on a farm" - that's funny!
In context, I read this statement differently, more as a threat to Congressional Dems along the lines of the parental, "Yes, you *could* decide not to change your clothes and so stay inside all afternoon...that *is* a choice you could make....
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eevinko
February 5, 2010 12:28 PM
Duh, of course they will. They have all been bought and paid for my the medical industry! There is just too much profit at stake. Nevermind the sheeple.
Jess
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septictank
February 5, 2010 2:17 PM in reply to eevinko
That's a little simplistic. The "medical industry" is actually many very different industries whose interests often don't align. What Rahm and Obama did was to take all the big players except insurance out of the game so they could focus on getting a bill past the insurance lobby. It was gross but I don't fault them for it. What I do fault them for is letting Baucus drag things out until the tea partiers could frame the fucking thing and the public soured on it.
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Barry Ragin
February 5, 2010 1:04 PM
The audacity of hopelessness.
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Rick Jones
February 5, 2010 1:27 PM
paraphrasing: "...where I'm sitting with Republicans,Democrats, and health care experts, and we go through these bills, walk through the ideas so that the American people can see and compare what makes sense." Must see TV ala Question Time. Put everybody in a room. Turn on the TV cameras and get to the truth about HCR. And hope that the media reports the substance of the bills and ideas, and the exchanges between Obama and the others in the room. Could be a winner.
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xargaw
February 6, 2010 2:06 PM in reply to Rick Jones
After the GOP Congressional Q&A on TV, no Republican will agree to another televised sit down with the President even if the DEMs and industry are present. It just won't happen. That COULD be a big story in itself, but the media is unlikely to make it one.
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Lucieann
February 5, 2010 2:34 PM
Past this thing before more people die!!!
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artwrite
February 5, 2010 2:39 PM
Yo, Congress (and Mr. Obama), this just in.
ANTHEM BLUE CROSS JUST ANNOUNCED THAT THEY ARE RAISING HEALTH CARE INSURANCE RATES BY 39 PERCENT IN CALIFORNIA.
And they are cutting benefits at the same time. The lovely booklet they just mailed to this self-employed writer announced that the rate for my $5,000 deductible policy covering only myself rose from $635 per month to $849, a mere 34 percent increase. However, they added that although they raise rates annually, they may, according to the terms of their contract, raise my rate again at any time. This was mailed to me by Mr. James Oatman, Vice President and General Manager (and Chief Greedy Scumbag), Anthem Blue Cross.
So Congress, if you think this is the time to put health insurance on the back burner, I would like you to know that I am putting Congress on the front burner. And I'm turning the flame to high. So Mr. Obama, if you think now is the time to be deliberate and chat with Congress, please understand that I am deliberating about how the financial industry was bailed out without any deliberation whatsoever, yet I am standing in the rising tide of health insurance costs, trying to bail myself out like mad, and losing.
And I'm not getting one god damn bit of help from the people I elected to public office. Serve the people now. Get health insurance reform done now. Today. Or we the people are going to rise up and throw you out on your deaf ears.
One more thing. Organizing for America, stop asking me for money. I gave during the campaign. I can't give any more because you didn't fix health care, and I'm giving all my hard-earned money to the greedy bastards at Anthem Blue Cross. So just shut the fuck up until you get something done.
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AnswerFrog
February 5, 2010 3:18 PM
Those poor Congressional Dems.
-Feeling so alone
-Unsure
-Alone
-Afraid
These people don't need leadership from the WH, they neeed therapy and a hug.
Boo fucking hoo!!
How about growing the fuck up and doing your fucking job because it's why you were sent there in the first place????
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Darrius
February 5, 2010 3:49 PM
If The House fails to pass the health care bill than Obama has not choice but to run against them.
The grape vine has been saying for months that the White House wants the Senate bill to be passed. The House just won't go along with their guidance.
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Pintop
February 5, 2010 8:01 PM in reply to Darrius
Sure the realpolitik SEEMS self-evident. Now try running that past the residents of Janestown. They mix some powerful stuff into the Flavor-aid over there.
You clearly are a corportist sell-out.
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For Want of a Nail
February 5, 2010 4:35 PM
The Democrats do not have your interests in mind. For that matter, neither do the Republicans. You will see lots of major reform crusades this year besides healthcare (jobs and finance at least) but none will be passed. I'm calling it now, this whole year is going to be whining about obstructionist Republicans. The senate is controlled by corporations.
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Lestatdelc
February 5, 2010 5:10 PM in reply to For Want of a Nail
Yawn.
(scroll)
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For Want of a Nail
February 5, 2010 5:12 PM in reply to Lestatdelc
Except you didn't. You felt it so important to tell me how unimportant my comment was, that you had to comment on it yourself. Interesting.
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goldiera
February 5, 2010 11:27 PM in reply to For Want of a Nail
You are 100% correct. The supreme court made it official last month in their horrible ruling giving corporations unfettered, unlimited access to buy, manipulate and control the ragged remains of our pathetic election process. Our voices have been silenced, our votes a joke.
Corporations run things, the congress works for them.
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For Want of a Nail
February 6, 2010 12:39 AM in reply to goldiera
We need to stop supporting these nuts! We need to start voting third party. Sure we wont win, but it'll make the Democrats lose and that's the only reformist strtegy I can see doing any good at this point. We won't win elections this way but it will show that a democratic party that wants to win will have to work for our votes and that means finally moving to the left. And in that way we will win.
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lousgirl84
February 5, 2010 8:00 PM
This story is running at huffpo
Franken Lays Out 'Pledge And Pass' Strategy For Health Care
Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn) called on Friday for Senate Democrats to commit to passing amendments to its health care legislation through the process of reconciliation -- so that the House can then pass legislation of its own.
In a call organized by the pro-reform group Health Care for America Now, the Minnesota Democrat laid out what he called a "pledge and pass" strategy for getting a bill into law.
"If we in the Senate pledge to fix those top priorities right away through reconciliation... the House of Representatives should pass the Senate bill. The exact details of this process need to be worked out by the leadership and the president."
Franken also tried to alleviate some of the concerns of those who argue that the Senate legislation -- even with reconciliation fixes -- doesn't go far enough.
"Like it or not, the reality is that big pieces of legislation often need to be fixed after passage," he said. "Health care is a historic undertaking and this is no different. I think we have to stop letting the perfect -- and everyone has different definitions of perfect -- we have to stop letting the perfect be the enemy of the good... Walking away empty-handed to me is just not an option."
In offering his preferred procedural remedy for health care's impasse, Franken echoed a emerging sentiment within the Democratic caucus. Sens. Arlen Specter (Penn), Max Baucus (Mont.), Ben Nelson (Neb.) Kent Conrad (ND), Jeff Bingaman (NM), Dick Durbin (Ill.) and others have all either endorsed or openly considered the idea of using reconciliation to change their bill.
There were some crossed messages on the call -- the person who preceded Franken, HCAN National Campaign Manager Richard Kirsch, advocated a slightly different legislative strategy for congressional Democrats.
As Kirsch sees it, the Senate would have to make reconciliation changes to its legislation first before the House would then vote on the entire package.
"A bill can be passed without having to have these 60 votes. The whole 60 votes [thing] is crazy. There is nothing in the constitution about 60 votes," said Kirsch. "Through [budget reconciliation], a lot of what's in that final compromise can still be passed. That would mean that both the Senate and House will pass a budget reconciliation bill and then the House will pass the Senate bill."
"It is totally a matter of political will," Kirsch added. "It is not a matter of procedure. It is up to the Democrats to exercise their political will... and it up to us to help provide the energy behind that."
GO AL!!!
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igotthis
February 5, 2010 9:50 PM
Listen, folks, the president is displaying the lessons he learned last year. Lately, he has been displaying a new a style of leadership: call it reasoned, confrontational leadership. For Republicans, this means he will be in their faces dropping truth bombs for the nation to see and hear. For Democrats, this means he will be dropping truth bombs at their feet to force them to move and fix the nation's problems. This is a risky style of leadership, but he has learned that charm does not move these people.
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goldiera
February 6, 2010 12:10 AM
Nothing will get done. Obama said today time should be taken to pass health care, the final death keal. The people no longer matter, they don't need our approval any longer. Our voices are meaningless.
We have lost our civil liberties. First thing Obama did when he took office was expand NSA spying powers. The rest of the world was talking about his cute children and pretty wife.
Thanks to the supreme court, we now have lost our voice in the election process, which was corrupt enough before their ruling.
Nothing will get done that will help the people, only the corporations.
Health care is dead because it never really lived. It was political theatre to keep people believing something was being done for us. All the real deals happen behind closed doors with corporate leaders. Truth, there is no money left for the people, we are now the world's largest debtor.
There is money for the endless unwinnable wars, contracts for the big corporations at the expense of the American taxpayer.
Every empire has been wiped out by wars, ours will be no exception.
I live in California, our roads are rutted, our businesses are going broke, there is no money for education, health care or anything else that might help us rebound from this mess. Nancy Pelosi, who lives in San Francisco said no money from the Feds to help our crumbling economy, but give billions for war. A decent education is becoming impossible to attain, costs went up another 34% this year!
How can we compete?
How can we recover?
The answer is simple, we won't.
Look at the idiots representing this country! Harry reid, the wimpy old maid in pants, Pelosi, a joke, Obama......not an ounce of gumption in any of them. Bureaucrats in power at the beck and call of corporate rulers, that is what they are, and they are not serving the people. They don't need us any longer.
This country is finished.
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igotthis
February 6, 2010 12:44 PM in reply to goldiera
Oh, how quickly we forget our history as a nation! If the patriots in 1776 had fallen sway to the same gloomy pessimism as you in declaring their independence against the British, there would have been no United States of America. If President Abraham Lincoln and the rest of the Union had surrendered to the gloomy prospects of waging a Civil War, there would have been no United States of America. If President Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the majority of the nation had succumbed to the stifling and horrific struggles of the Great Depression, which dwarfs our present recession, there would have been no United States of America to fight the greatest threats to democracy in the world at the time: Nazi Germany, fascists Italy, and militaristic Japan.
So get a grip on your fears and pessimism. Today's Congress and "Robber Barons" on Wall Street and in Corporate America are no more corrupt than their predecessors. We've overcome worst, repeatedly, so re-read your American history, qoldiera, for this country is definitely not finished! We will get it done!
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xargaw
February 6, 2010 12:59 PM
Obama cannot hand off any failure to pass healthcare reform to Congress. He ran on it as a signature issue and he has shown NO leadership on real reform at all. First, he cut deals with the Insurance Co's and PHARMA that directly betrayed the bullet points of his campaign and constained Congress's ability to even realistically debate certain avenues, then he did NOTHING to direct the debate toward the things Americans indicated they wanted in poll after poll. He took both the corporate and hands off approach allowing all the egos and payoffs to Congress to ocur unchallenged. Even if we get a Bill, it will be his failure that we did not get a FAR BETTER BILL.
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goldiera
February 6, 2010 3:37 PM in reply to xargaw
You are quite right. There will be no bill in any case. If there is, it will be to mandate all Americans buy insurance from the greedy pig insurance companies. No consumer protection....it is a total joke on us.
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doggie daddy
February 6, 2010 5:31 PM
What too BHO so long to pass the buck and blame someone else for fuc%ing up?
He's losing his touch. He used to be able to skirt issues quicker.
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Sagae
February 6, 2010 9:40 PM
For myself and my family, having a Democratic President and a Democratic Congress has changed nothing, sorry to say. We gave quite a bit in donations to Obama and other Democrats in 2007-8 but I cannot imagine any of us will ever give another dime to a politician.
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markg8
February 7, 2010 1:36 PM
Why not take the President up on his offer? Let's get Democratic and Republican principals from both the House and the Senate together, with Obama and the CBO and any other serious health care experts you can round up and put it all on TV. Score each provision as you go along and vote to include or exclude them from a final bill.
We'll wind up with a much stronger bill, maybe even a public option. And as a bonus it'll show the American public just how bad Republicans are at making policy.
What's the worst that could happen? They'd refuse to show up? LOL
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bill
February 7, 2010 10:49 PM
Congress has already 'dropped the ball' on health care reform.
Item 1: “A mere seven months ago (that would be around June 2009), The New York Times/CBS poll found that 72% of Americans ‘supported a government-administered insurance plan—something like Medicare for those under 65—that would compete for customers with private insurers.’”
Item 2: As of February 2010, no single payer health care reform, no 'government option', mandated premium payments to private sector insurers, tax money to private sector insurers, stipulations making it legal for insurers to spend only 80 cents of every 100 cents on actual health care while spending 20 cents of every 100 cents on lobbying, 'sympathetic' candidates, CEO bonuses, 'administration' and fighting your claim for treatment.
Item 3: Virtually no one (other than those who created the sop for themselves) want this insurance industry bailout to pass.
Question: Who 'dropped the ball on health care reform?
Answer: Obama and Congress. But I would have to finger Obama primarily, as he would not support true reform. With health care, as with the financial bailout, Obama only wanted to go along to get along with the corporate raiders, pushing taxpayer and middle class money into corporate coffers.
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bill
February 7, 2010 10:57 PM
Obama has boxed himself into a true loss/loss. Obama ran on the Democratic Platform which promised real reform and a single payer. Yet, by not supporting true health care reform and , instead allowing the Congress to create a ridiculous charade of 'reform', he has turned off those who wanted and expected true reform. Now, he has boxed himself into a true loss/loss: push for passage of a bill no one wants or let the bill die. Loss/loss.
The really bad thing about this is that it capsules the political ineptitude of this administration in the financial bailout, the escalation of war in Afghanistan, the brushing aside of the crimes and misdemeanors of the Bush administration, etc.
At each point, Obama has made stunning and wrong decisions. He has persisted in these and he and the Democrats are paying the price. They have managed themselves in to loss/loss over and over again, and cannot or will not govern in the public interest.
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