
The message from the new CNN poll out today couldn't be more clear: if you're an incumbent politician in America these days, you'd better shape up or you'll be shipped out by angry voters. As in other polls, respondents in the CNN survey continue to support removing incumbents from Congress. But for the first time in a long time, their own representative wasn't shielded from the throw the bums out mentality.
Neither was President Obama. As Greg Sargent pointed out this afternoon, 52% of respondents the poll said Obama does not deserve to be reelected. Only 44% say he Obama deserves a second term.
It's a little early for the White House to get worried by that result -- Obama still has years to prove to the electorate he can be the president he promised he would be on the trail in 2008. But on a larger level, the number is indicative of the frustration toward incumbents that promises to be a central storyline of 2010.
In most polls about Congress, Americans are dissatisfied with the organization as a whole. But when it comes to their own representatives, respondents are generally approving. But when asked by CNN whether their own representative deserves another term in the new poll, registered voters were split -- 51% said their member of Congress deserves another term, while 48% said they were either opposed to or unsure about reelecting their representatives to Congress this year.
That's the lowest support for reelection recorded in the CNN poll since at least Oct. 2006, when 57% of respondents to the CNN poll said their member should be reelected. That was just a month before voters ended Republican control of the Congress and handed the reins over to the Democrats. This time, the Democrats are the ones in charge, and the frustration at incumbents is even higher.
felix
February 16, 2010 6:31 PM
How can any member of Congress resist the temptation to call out the American people as the sniveling, short-sighted mouth-breathers they are?
I know I couldn't, but I guess that's why I'm not a politician.
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FebM
February 16, 2010 9:31 PM in reply to felix
Does that mean only teabaggers and Sarah can save the planet?
If GnOP have decided to be pure obstructionists, even voting down the bills they sponsor, some of which are to correct the wrongs brought by years of misrule and corruption how will just getting angry and voting the next guy with a gun touting 'freedom' bring any change? Yes freedom to be hanged separately, with no regulations, no taxes, no social safety nets, but pro-life and with Jesus.
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loudprogressive
February 17, 2010 12:16 AM in reply to FebM
To be fair, the rethugs aren't the reason for Obama's low numbers. Obama has abandoned the platform that got him elected, and completely turned his back on his base. He's doing what Rahm and his corporate sponsors want him to do, now what he was elected to.
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JNagarya
February 17, 2010 1:15 AM in reply to loudprogressive
Wake up, jackass: all Obama has "abandoned" and "turned his back on" are the politics you SAY you oppose but at the same time DEMAND he play.
I'm fed up with the pseudo-progressives -- and Democrats -- who hate Nazis but can't imgine life without the prototypical "Strong Leader" as president.
Try something differnt: WAKE UP.
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ctal
February 17, 2010 6:44 AM in reply to loudprogressive
Well said. Obama has turned his back on us and embraced the Wall street blood-suckers. I won't give him a dime for 2012, and sincerely he hopes he is voted out. He is a liar, and I won't vote for a lesser of two evils.
Hello green party, I'll never give another time to the Democrat / Rethug party.
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shooter242
February 17, 2010 7:38 AM in reply to felix
Keep up the contempt Felix, that kind of honesty is rare among liberals.
Keep up the good work.
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DeathSquad
February 17, 2010 8:51 AM in reply to shooter242
TROLL
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jeffgee
February 16, 2010 6:32 PM
Most Presidents' approval ratings fall in their first year. Bush was still riding the rally-behind-the-President tide after 9/11 when his first year was up, so he may be an exception.
The House and Senate, on the other hand, deserve bad marks all around.
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justasailor
February 16, 2010 8:22 PM in reply to jeffgee
Just as a matter of full disclosure--I am a conservative, but I think you're on to something here. I'd like to chime in, if I could.
If you look at President Bush's numbers before 9/11, they weren't that great (a lot of people were still debating his legitimacy as President). Post 9/11, and the fireman speech at ground zero, he enjoyed a huge rise in support. By the end of his presidency, though things had changed considerably.
Bush Sr., post Desert Storm, enjoyed huge popularity ratings, but eventually lost the elections a year later.
I don't remember President Clinton's numbers the first year, so I won't comment. But, during his eight years he was up and down a bunch.
It seems to me that President Reagan's popularity in his first year wasn't that great, but it was a long time ago and I could be wrong.
I know articles like this are grist for the mill with political commentators, but really it seems a bit early to worry about the President at this time.
He has plenty of time to turn around his own numbers. He needs to take better advantage of the small wins that come his way. This recent Taliban capture could help him out if he handles it well. I don't know that the administration did a lot to effect this capture, but it's good news, and President's normally take credit for the good things that happen on their watch.
Bottom line, it's a bit early in the game to call this one. The Super Bowl was a different game in the first quarter than it was in the fourth. I don't think anyone knows what the next few years will bring.
Congressional numbers are a different matter. The frustrations with Congress have been around for several years.
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lousgirl84
February 16, 2010 8:50 PM in reply to justasailor
Wow, you aren't like any "conservatives" who usually post here. You must be one of the reasonable ones - the ones who don't have a party anymore and are looking for one. The tea partiers would have nothing to do with you for sure.
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Marinus van der Lubbe
February 17, 2010 8:47 AM in reply to lousgirl84
I concur...it's few and far between that a reasonable argument, on the merits, can be made, yet the infusion of trolls takes that away.
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FebM
February 16, 2010 9:34 PM in reply to justasailor
Actually Reagans approval fell to under 40 in his second year, he lost the house in the midterms, but the economy recovered and he was re-elected in the largest landslide in history.
Keep your eyes on the price, anger is not a governing strategy, it is a symptom
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gharlane
February 17, 2010 12:39 AM in reply to justasailor
Thanks for posting and for the disclosure :) Most of the conservatives here are, unfortunately, trolls, who at best serve up Frank Luntz talking points and at worst are just batshit crazy. Which is really too bad. I think (I could be wrong) that if you keep posting and bring up reasonable points, as here, even if you find yourself disagreeing with prevailing opinion on the site, you'll find people more than happy to discuss issues with you.
Nothing much to add or to argue about in response to your post -- except to emphasize one item you pointed out: Presidents take the credit, and the blame, for things that happen on their watch. Obama may have inherited an economy in the shitter and two wars, but they are his now.
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JNagarya
February 17, 2010 1:19 AM in reply to justasailor
"a lot of people were still debating his legitimacy as President"
The honest and knowledgable among us still KNOW he was illegitimate, because unconstitutionally appointed by an UNelected SC that usurped CONGRESS' exclusive authority to resolve such election disputes.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
February 16, 2010 8:22 PM in reply to jeffgee
There were presidents before Bush?
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Riesz Fischer
February 16, 2010 6:32 PM
I wonder if they'll show Obama's concession speech at Buffalo Wild Wings. It's the kind of thing that would be fun to watch with a cheering crowd.
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AJM
February 16, 2010 10:05 PM in reply to Riesz Fischer
If any of the current ReThuglican probable nominees are elected, the frat boys as Wild Wings will be cheering the demise of the United States.
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DeathSquad
February 17, 2010 8:58 AM in reply to Riesz Fischer
Will you be attending the Palin victory speech from the T.G.I.Fridays in Anchorage? It sure will be nice for the TEA party to have a president that isn't a socialist or even slightly educated.
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CranialRectalLoopback
February 16, 2010 6:34 PM
Hey, if the one politician that people hoped would be different turns out to be the same, riddance.
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bluebell
February 16, 2010 6:39 PM
How can you blame the American people for being smart enough to figure out that both parties are corrupt?
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nancydenis
February 16, 2010 7:32 PM in reply to bluebell
To me this statement is the root of the problem. Everyone, particularly the "Fox Type Outlets" get on their little rants and soon all politicians, all parties are painted with the same brush, yet I say to bluebell and all other posters going down the same road, where are the facts?
In my mind the statement is blatantly false and contributes to the discontent and floundering we are currently facing. I strongly disagree with much of what the opposition party is doing. I believe there are members of that party that are just plain uninformed and uneducated but that does not make them all crooks or corrupt in the normal use of that word. I would even agree that some are morally corrupt but once again that does not make both parties corrupt.
I look forward to my grandchildren living a life of opportunity. Unless we the average citizen stop this whining and finger pointing and attitude that everyone but me is corrupt, out to take advantage etc. etc. there will not be a representative democracy for our grandchildren. I think of the days of Everett Dircksen and Hubert Humphrey - both very partisan politicians yet they understood that civility was needed if we were going to have effective governance
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bluebell
February 16, 2010 8:06 PM in reply to nancydenis
It is not whining to face reality and it's interesting the party faithful in both parties use the WHINING word to shut up anyone who departs from party dogma.
There are eras that are corrupt. I believe we are in one now. I doubt that Congress has been this corrupt since the 1920's. What's the first thing the Bush administration does? Invites the energy industry to the White House behind closed doors. What does the Obama administration do? Invites big pharma to call. If you are for single-payer and show up at a Senate hearing you get escorted out by police. We cannot have a discussion about what kind of healthCARE bill is best for the American people. The only discussion allowed is what health INSURANCE bill is acceptable to the insurance industry.
We are not allowed to have policies that benefit Americans. We can only have legislation that benefits the people who have bought Congress.
Pick any issue. Defense? The NON-reform of the financial industry? "Free" trade?
And then there is the Supreme Court! Talk about corruption!
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nancydenis
February 16, 2010 9:33 PM in reply to bluebell
1) Would you please give me your definition of corrupt?
2) Can you give specific examples of this corruption = not generalities, not innuendo, not "stories" or "common knowledge" but concrete examples...
Incidentally I tend to instinctively agree with you on the Bush energy issue... the facts stand that no one was allowed to see who came or what the discussion was about; however, when I do a reality check I have to say bad policy decisions do not necessarily equate to corruption. If I disagree with you policy / politics and I disagree how you administer that policy that does not necessarily mean you are corrupt. Unfortunately there have been many examples of true genuine corruption in recent years. That in itself is a problem; however the bigger problem seems to be one parties or group's willingness to call out that proven corruption (lobbyists buying "The Duke's" house) and unwilling to look at problems in their party or group.
Having said that I still do not believe all in either party are corrupt from the standpoint of the normal use of that word - hence point #1.
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stillidealistic
February 19, 2010 3:21 PM in reply to nancydenis
You need look no further than the amount of money given by lobbyists to the politicians, of all persuasions. This country is owned by the lobbyists, lock, stock and barrel. If you don't believe that, you are incredibly naive.
We will never regain control of our country unless we get rid of their influence. Since the SCOTUS just granted personage to corporations, the chances of doing that are slim and none.
This is what conservative judges get us.
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lousgirl84
February 16, 2010 8:49 PM in reply to bluebell
Well if you use that barometer, where were they during 2000 and 2008. There was no more corrupt government than those 8 years of Bush.
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Leftflank
February 16, 2010 6:44 PM
How many years did it take to get to this point & landmines set by the right? Obama & crew are supposed failures for not waving the magic wand & making it all better in one year. A year I might add that included saving the world, basically.
NOT IN MY BOOK!
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lousgirl84
February 16, 2010 8:52 PM in reply to Leftflank
It blows the mind doesn't it leftflank? It blows mine every day. I agree with you.
BTW Bluebell is a whiner personified. That's all he/she/it does.
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Leftflank
February 19, 2010 11:58 AM in reply to lousgirl84
Hey lousgirl, I was out for a few days so I just got your response. It's painfully obvious, especially with the current crop of--hope Obama fails--if Obamas for it, we're against it--
useless right-wingers. Despite the false info campaign by the ever fearful right, Obama & his administration are piling on changes & returning the American spirit after too many years of bush/bombs/& bullshit. And yes, bluebell is a boring downer,
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CranialRectalLoopback
February 17, 2010 1:19 AM in reply to Leftflank
What you fail to understand is that there are really only two years in a President's term to accomplish anything; namely year 1 and year 3. Year's 2 and 4 are wasted on campaigning. What you do in year 1 determines what you can do in year 3.
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DeathSquad
February 17, 2010 9:02 AM in reply to CranialRectalLoopback
You're telling me he has to devote an entire year to helping senators and members of congress get re-elected?! And can't find time to do anything else. Bullshit.
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mcc
February 16, 2010 6:45 PM
Aren't more Republican incumbents up this year in the Senate than Democratic incumbents?
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Hey Obama - Get in the Fight!!
February 16, 2010 8:23 PM in reply to mcc
mcc: Not sure, but I know about 9 or 10 Dems are in serious danger (Reid; NV) or simply retiring (CT, IN). Them numbers ain't good.
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Maritza
February 16, 2010 6:46 PM
Unless the Congress gets stuff done they deserve not to be re-elected.
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jim43
February 16, 2010 7:05 PM
The problem for Republicans is that this is not a pro-GOP movement forming among voters. They may just as easily get kicked out in many races as Democrats.
http://www.political-buzz.com/
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mans_best_friend
February 16, 2010 7:18 PM
Most voters aren't that up on the day-to-day occurrences. They don't care about filibusters and cloture votes or any of that. All they see is Congress screwing around for six months on health care and getting nothing done but a lot of partisan wrangling, and the Dems have done virtually nothing to counter that impression. The Dems have been ineffective. If they don't start doing a better job of communicating their message they'll get what they deserve.
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Michael A
February 16, 2010 7:46 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
Co-sign.
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lousgirl84
February 16, 2010 8:41 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
Well you were kind and yes most voters are not up on this stuff but the problem is that most american voters are tuned out and dont pay enough attention because they are either "too busy" or "too lazy" or both. They get all their information from the boob tube and make their decisions based on sound bites.
If we had a decent MSM maybe it would be different.
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ohyeathatsright
February 16, 2010 7:23 PM
At least a lot of the bums are already throwing themselves out by "retiring".
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AndrewT
February 16, 2010 7:33 PM
Too bad the poll didn't include better demographic info on the sample.
Isn't this cnn poll likely impacted by the same issue that's been dimininishing the validiy of many phone polls over the past 5+ years? Namely that most of the polled individuals are land line home owners (i.e. older middle class).
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1audiofile
February 16, 2010 7:39 PM
Lets see, if the GOP is in power again, we can have real change:
1. Eliminate Social security by creating a privatized account.
2. Eliminate Medicare. Enjoy the 39% increase this year by Blue cross/Blue shield This year. What will the increase be next year
3. Eliminate Medicade.
4 Pass tax elimination for Billionaires again.
The mind boggles.
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lousgirl84
February 16, 2010 8:25 PM in reply to 1audiofile
That's the american voter for you. They don't know shit about what's really going on because they are too busy or too lazy to find out so they get spoon fed their information byt he boob tube and faux noise. They are stupid and we have to suffer.
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Hey Obama - Get in the Fight!!
February 16, 2010 8:26 PM in reply to 1audiofile
1audiofile: Agreed, but here's what most people hear from Republicans on all points:
1-4. "Get this bull$hit, inneffective Government out of our lives..."
It's hard to disagree with that statement. But we TPMers know what this really means in practice. Further annihilation of the Middle Class.
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FebM
February 16, 2010 9:35 PM in reply to 1audiofile
They dont even want GnOP, they want teabaggers, God save us. Thats when I will gladly vote for Ron Paul
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Jackster
February 16, 2010 10:13 PM in reply to 1audiofile
Why stop there? Take out the Public schools, only the wealthy landowners should move forward. Stop fixing roads and bridges, people build their own runways and fly to work, Oh and airports, too much spent on Air safety and all those regulations and government bureaucracy. Lets privatize local police and fire protection, wait till you get that bill? C'mon more people come to the aid of mistreated dogs than human beings. Some how THEY deserve it.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
February 16, 2010 8:26 PM
So, first the Republicans wrecked the government. Then they wrecked the economy. Then the wrecked the efforts of the Democrats to try to repair all the stuff they'd wrecked. So, let's put them back in to power.
Yeah. Sounds about right.
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admiralmpj
February 16, 2010 8:56 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
I wouldn't be so concerned if Americans weren't dumb enough to do just that.
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psyclone
February 16, 2010 11:40 PM in reply to admiralmpj
They only do what our corporate media drumbeats into their heads.
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Barney
February 16, 2010 9:14 PM
The CNN poll of registered voters, heavily oversampled with Democrats, says 52% of Americans think Obama should not be re-elected...
...there is a tsunami coming in November
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Viva!America!
February 16, 2010 10:16 PM in reply to Barney
Yet he has a 53% percent approval rating according to Gallup.
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stillidealistic
February 19, 2010 3:09 PM in reply to Barney
I wouldn't take much comfort in that if I were you...those numbers are coming from the left and the right, and probably a bit from the middle...When people see what the choices are, I think you'll see better numbers for Obama, even if things don't improve between now and then, and I think they will, no matter what the obstructionists do.
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SpiderPig
February 16, 2010 9:38 PM
For sh!#'s sake! The man's been in office only barely over a year! What a stupid poll question to put in front of someone right now.
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Jackster
February 16, 2010 10:16 PM
The American voter has a memory of a stoned slacker.
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bill
February 16, 2010 10:27 PM
Do you want to know one reason we're ready to vote the incumbents out?
Just to 1, 2, 3 to find the answer:
Item 1: “A mere seven months ago (that would be around June 2009), The New York Times/CBS poll found that 72% of Americans ‘supported a government-administered insurance plan—something like Medicare for those under 65—that would compete for customers with private insurers.’”
Item 2: As of February 2010, no single payer health care reform, no 'government option', mandated premium payments to private sector insurers, tax money to private sector insurers, stipulations making it legal for insurers to spend only 80 cents of every 100 cents on actual health care while spending 20 cents of every 100 cents on lobbying, 'sympathetic' candidates, CEO bonuses, 'administration' and fighting your claim for treatment.
Item 3: Virtually no one (other than those who created the sop for themselves) want this bastardized insurance industry bailout to pass.
Question: Why do Americans want to vote the incumbents out?
Answer: See Items 1, 2 & 3.
Other items include:
1.Ignoring previous Republican crimes, misdemeanors and profligacy – e.g. tax cuts for the wealthy. 2. Supporting a stingy stimulus that was half of what was needed and was one-third tax breaks, not jobs. 3. Killing the only option that would have slowed the cost of health care & led to universal coverage. 4. Accelerating the Bush bailout, $ 4.3 Trillions in bailouts, guarantees and purchasing assets from the private sector at well above market value. 5. Escalating a meaningless and fruitless war. 6. Gutting real financial reform and substitute finger wagging and silly taxes and fees, while banking fees continue up, lending freezes and credit tightens. 7. Not helping people with bankruptcy and mortgages remediation – accelerating middle class decline. 8. Fiddling around and not passing a jobs bill.
Had enough? Vote the incumbents out.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
February 17, 2010 7:54 AM in reply to bill
And replace them with Republicans? Or enable their replacement by Republicans?
Were you even alive in 2000? Or 1994?
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chigger
February 16, 2010 10:28 PM
My Representative,Loebsack, lost my vote when he refused to draw a line in the sand on healthcare. That's when I drew the line in the sand.
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bill
February 16, 2010 10:32 PM
It's not that Obama has 'lost control of the narrative', it's that Obama has made decisions that further harmed the middle class and rewarded the guilty. He has betrayed those who elected him and turned his back on the young, the working class, the middle class.
He's caused those Republican voters who were willing to 'give him a chance' to see that he is not going to make things better, but will continue the policies of the previous administration.
He has caused those in the middle (the independents) to see that he does not represent 'change' in any meaningful sense.
He has caused Democrats to run in shame.
He and many many many other incumbents are going to be gone very very very soon.
Yes, we mistook him for a leader, but, more importantly, when he has lead, it has been in the wrong direction.
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jsdc007
February 16, 2010 10:46 PM
What a meaningless poll. Right now the electorate is in a schizophrenic mode. They want more jobs, but they want a smaller deficit. They want everything in the Healthcare proposals in Congress, but they also oppose the bills. They want more troops, but they want less troops. We have an incoherent polity whose only point of commonality is anger against those in power. In any case, people usually vote for someone in light of who his/her opponent is, and Obama's opponents in the GOP are about as useless as they get.
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Chisholm
February 16, 2010 10:47 PM
Obama is the uber-Senate Democrat. That's where he cut his political teeth, and that necrotic body's world-view informs his.
He's governing in precisely the way a President Landrieu or President Bayh would: timorous, hesitant, conciliatory, and uncomfortable with wielding power. Again -- the perfect example of a Senate Democrat.
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LAB
February 16, 2010 10:47 PM
I can see being angry at Congress--but why in the world would you vote for the same lame asses that got us in trouble over the previous years? What did they do to deserve to be reelected? Certainly nothing for the American people.
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oleeb
February 16, 2010 11:15 PM
I think the majority are right. At this moment in time Obama has yet to do anything to earn him re-election. That doesn't mean things won't change, but he has done a piss poor job on delivering on his promises to the American people, except of course the obscenely wealthy people who have been serviced very nicely since he was elected.
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JNagarya
February 17, 2010 1:22 AM in reply to oleeb
I'm calling your bluff, obnoxious punk:
Instead of repeatedly spewing your bullshit, how about for the FIRST time SUBSTANTIATING ANY of that horseshit?
Meanwhile, many here know that several have posted lengthy lists of ACTUAL accomplishments by President Obama in terms of legislative "successes".
Why you assholes claim to be "progressive" and "Demcoratic" yet do nothing but whine and tear everything down without any evidenced basis for doing so is beyond the comprehension of the intelligent and reasonable.
Do us all a favor: STFU until you're old enough to vote.
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oleeb
February 19, 2010 2:54 PM in reply to JNagarya
If you had any sense you'd be embarassed to behave as you do online. You've got a lot of courage when you aren't within arms length. You just keep drinking the kool aid junior. Okay? I know it's hard to keep up the hero worship without it. For those of us who prefer to see the world as it is we'll stay in tune with reality.
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JNagarya
February 19, 2010 6:52 PM in reply to oleeb
I'm still calling your bluff, punk -- and attempting to make me the issue in effort to avoid meeting that call, including therewith threat, is for you to be ashamed of in the very way/s you prescribe for others.
Again, punk: SUBSTANTIATE ANY of your vapid whine as being more than that.
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gharlane
February 24, 2010 2:44 AM in reply to JNagarya
This from someone who claims to have such a problem with personal attacks.
Coming as it is from someone who does nothing except mount personal attacks, as I demonstrated in the link above, this is pure comedy gold.
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JNagarya
February 25, 2010 4:38 AM in reply to gharlane
I'm still calling your BLUFF, punk.
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gharlane
March 2, 2010 1:47 AM in reply to JNagarya
Aaalll righty then.
So this is what I wrote -- one of the posts -- in the thread I linked to, in which (in true Palinite fashion) after mounting attack after attack after attack, poor little JNagaraya starts to whine and blubber about -- wait for it -- purportedly being attacked. Pot, have you met kettle?
Anyone who clicks through my link in my comment above can follow the tread and read for themselves. You're on record. Repeatedly.
You are such a transparent, pathetic little child (albeit likely in an adult's body, which makes it all the more pitiful).
This is SOP for our little girl-who-cried-asshole. She does it again in the comment thread she links to below, peppering her comments with such substantive commentary as calling people "asshole," "loon," "illiterate," and of course, your perennial favorite, "jackass." Way to keep the conversation focused on the issues, there, little Sarah, also too.
The fact that you've been able to dredge up one thread in which you manage to string together a few phrases that make a modicum of sense in between your assholes, jackasses, loons, and the rest of it is singularly unimpressive.
Like I said: pure comedy gold, from someone who has all the self-awareness of Sarah Palin when she was in the second grade.
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JNagarya
February 25, 2010 9:23 PM in reply to gharlane
According to you -- being a liar -- I do "nothing except mount personal attacks". Is this a personal attack, dipshit? --
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/man_charged_for_stockpiling_weapons_was_tea_partie.php
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gharlane
March 2, 2010 1:49 AM in reply to JNagarya
Is this a personal attack, dipshit?
QED.
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psyclone
February 16, 2010 11:47 PM
I want to support the Democrats, I really really do. But all they do (collectively) is stammer and fiddle around and pick their noses while we continue to suffer needlessly. My problem with Obama is that he doesn't seem to be fighting all that hard for us, and is instead fighting very hard to win over the hearts of Senate and congressional Reeps, who even I can see a 1000 miles away as being utterly hopeless and intractable. Why he doesn't see that, I'll never understand, but until he does, the Democrats are totally doomed to failure.
When Obama finally figures out how to use the Presidency to *really* ramrod a liberal agenda through congress, he'll be set, and we all will be better off. But right now, I'm seeing a lot more Reeps taking office next January because the Dems are completely useless.
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masanf
February 17, 2010 12:13 AM
It is freakin hilarious how left wing blogs try to claim the only factor in the Dems recent losses and their pending slaughter in November is the result of some sort of "anti-incumbent mood" as if the Dems radioactively unpopular agenda has absolutely nothing to do with.
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mentsmin
February 17, 2010 8:22 AM in reply to masanf
As opposed to the GOP 'agenda?' Link?
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psyclone
February 17, 2010 9:34 AM in reply to masanf
I've seen lots of polls to support that idea though, and none to support that "radioactive agenda" hypothesis. Good grief man, you must have the memory of a tadpole, the 2008 election was not all that long ago, and the results did not suggest that people wanted 4 more years of Bush-like politics.
Seen how unpopular the GOP is these days? Seen the pathetic crowds at the teabagger functions? I have. The GOP gains next November will only be from the fact that they are the only other game in town. Too bad the Dems seem to have forgotten that.
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KdNicewanger
February 17, 2010 1:38 AM
January 21, 2017 -- A CNN poll today found that 53% of Americans think that President Whoever, who took office yesterday, does not deserve a second term.
The 2012 elections are a little less than 3 fking years away, give it a rest already.
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Nana
February 17, 2010 4:58 AM
Based on my observation of CNN political news presentations, the average CNN viewer probably has little idea about anything positive that Obama has accomplished. Not that I think CNN's coverage is all that different than ABC, CBS, or even NBC when it comes to giving fair & accurate coverage.
Obama has done quite a bit that is good, but he does seem to have gotten off track in the area of healthcare and green energy. Also, while it one thing for the opposite party of a President to drag their feet, the feet dragging we are seeing from Obama's fellow Dems is really quite disgusting. I rather liked Andrew Sullivan calling them a "bunch of pantywaists", today.
PolitiFact has an "Obameter" by which they keep track of the President's progress at fulfilling his campaign promises.
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Sailormarlowe
February 17, 2010 5:58 AM
Palin/Bachmann, 2012. Time for strict, assertive, dominant leadership.
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DeathSquad
February 17, 2010 9:04 AM in reply to Sailormarlowe
And none of that Hopey-Changey stuff! I can't wait to see their birth certificates.
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WaitWut?
February 17, 2010 1:30 PM in reply to DeathSquad
Perfect. I can see the bumper sticker...
NO Hope NO Change!
KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID!
(Simple/Bachmann - Stupid/Palin)
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Jeff
February 17, 2010 7:38 AM
You need to post on here more - this place is turning into the Daily Kos.
However, I don't think you will not get a very good answer to "what it means to be corrupt?" question. Like you said, in reality actual corruption isn't the problem. People confuse money in politics and corruption every damn day. Lawrence Lessig's Change Congress movement makes this distinction between actual criminal corruption and money in politics from the get go since people are confused on the issue.
I agree with Lessig about money squeezing trust between the public and our electeds. From my many hours of subjective experience and evidence from reading blogs; the mass of liberals assume that corporation's money prevents us from getting a fair shake. Every time someone espouses a contrary position, BAM! Corporation/Business money and influence exclamations are given the same weight as if it is a law of nature. I am not arguing they are wrong, just that they are superficial and the whole liberal sphere becomes Kabuki theater.
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dswx
February 17, 2010 8:05 AM
What a non-story. Meanwhile, Obama's approval rating continues to be around 50 percent as it has for weeks. No Republican comes close. And Obama beats them all head-to-head.
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willia451
February 17, 2010 8:32 AM
Everyone is over-analyzing. Again.
Anti-incumbent sentiment is high because:
A. The economy still sucks............
B. .......even after we bailed out Wall Street.......
C. ............they still get huge bonuses...........
D. ......while a lot of people I know, including me, are unemployed and on food stamps...........
E. ......and all I can find to replace the good job I lost to help feed my wife and kids is playing a moving crime target at the corner circle K; and had to fight 15 other people to get that.
What other questions do you have?
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mentsmin
February 17, 2010 8:41 AM in reply to willia451
In short, the GOP will shortly benefit from the situation they played a large part in creating. Not that the Dems haven't appeared almost completely dysfunctional and haven't lost control of the narrative.
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ESK
February 17, 2010 9:55 AM
Perhaps it's many of the American people who ought to be looking in the mirror about why they think this way. What they would see is their own short sightedness and a decided inability, and for the moment, a childlike resistance, to being able to reasonably view where we recently came from relative to where we are now. Instead they continue to feed on, without questioning, the seemingly constant overly negative, overly critical, fear mongering point of view about this president being offered up to them by much of the media. It's infuriating. Perhaps they'd like to go back to where they were just before November 2008? I think not.
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Ben Judea
February 17, 2010 10:23 AM
My big let down was.."I'll not litigate the past." this made him a partner in crime with Bush.
The other thing that I find unexcusable, Leaving 95% of all Bushes D.A in the same place he found them. That being the biggest tactical error as they have fought to undermine him at every turn. To me he's like a PARROT, it can speak well, but he's lacks, Guevos/cojones/chutzpa.
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tduff
February 17, 2010 10:26 AM
To be honest do you blame them?
http://randomthoughtstd.blogspot.com/
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cimabuehw
February 17, 2010 10:28 AM
Obama needs to get his head outside the University of Chicago bubble. His problem is not so much being controlled by the Village, but rather his inability to give up his affection for the economic and political mindset of the University of Chicago. Granted U of C's thinking is generally accepted throughout the Ivys, but it started in Chicago.
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Captain Obvious
February 17, 2010 1:14 PM
To me, economics is everything. People understand this the most viscerally. Obama campaigned on CHANGE from the Bush/Clinton free trade, and now in the State of the Union, he is promising to enter into new free trade agreements. Obama campaigned on getting EFCA passed, and he has done zero to get that done. Obama campaigned on a public option, and he made deals with big Pharma to make sure that didn't happen.
Obama's economic platform that got him elected was a fraud. He is not helping working people like he promised he would.
Meanwhile, we all have lost our jobs, or taken paycuts - and all we hear about is bankers billions in bonuses.
People understand that the banks got free money from US - from working people. The "reason" these bankers got free money was because they fucked up royally.
People understand that Obama has been in charge of taking working people's money and giving it away to the bankers. These very same bankers caused a lot of people to lose their jobs, houses, and standard of living. So people grow to hate what Obama represents in their minds - the rape of the taxpayer to reward the people who need it least. Obama presides at the top over this system of fundamental unfairness - and it is obvious, even to those of lesser rank than myself.
Who really thinks Obama DOES DESERVE to be reelected? Seriously, DESERVING to be reelected is something different than being slightly better than the troglodyte Republican he'll be up against.
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philogratis
February 18, 2010 8:09 AM
This a pretty terrible article for TPM who are usually more sophisticated about polling analysis.
The Obama question tells us nothing. What does it really mean to ask if an incumbant "deserves to be elected" one year into a four year term? That's the reason why CNN has NEVER ASKED THIS QUESTION about any president, or governor, or any other executive. FOX News once asked a similar question about Bush in August 2001 but with quite different wording for the responses and only 35 percent or so said he deserved it.
The only time CNN has polled the House question before is immediately before an election, when the voters do in fact decide if their incumbants deserve re-election, although sometimes people vote for their congressman just because the other option is so bad. There's no guarantee that numbers immediately prior to the election are comparable to numbers 9 months away. I personally would like to see if the Democrats do something to pass health care and fulfill their agenda before I am willing to say my Congressman (Neil Ambercrombie.D-HI) deserves re-election.
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