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Poll: How Gays Are Described Influences Support For DADT Repeal

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There's a new round of polling on gays in the military out today that sheds a fascinating light on the debate in America. Yesterday came the poll showing that a large majority of Americans support the repeal of the military's Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy, but remain split on giving gay men and lesbians equal rights if they serve. Today comes numbers showing American support for ending the ban on gays serving openly in the military depends on the wording used to describe homosexuals.

A new CBS News/New York Times poll released this afternoon shows 57% of Americans approve of "homosexuals" serving in the military. Change the word "homosexual" to "gay men and lesbians" and the support jumps to 70%. The change in support holds when respondents were asked whether they think "homosexuals" vs. "gay men and lesbians" should be allowed to serve openly in the U.S. armed forces.

On the "serve openly" question, 44% were in favor when the word "homosexual" is used, and 42% were opposed. When that word was swapped for the alternate "gay men and lesbians" wording, support for serving openly jumped to 58%. Just 28% were opposed.

The wording not withstanding, the poll mirrors others showing support for gays being allowed to serve openly in the military is on the rise. In a CBS/NYT poll taken in 1993 -- the year DADT became law -- 56% said they were opposed to homosexuals serving openly in the military, while just 37% were in favor of it.

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February 11, 2010 3:04 PM   

Any poll is like this--rephrase the question and it changes dramatically. That's why when you hear polling data you need to actually see what the question was, how was it framed, who was asked etc. The results are used too many times to then make people say oh wow everyone else thinks that.

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February 11, 2010 3:10 PM   

For once I would like to see a polling of Americans on of if hetro college freshman should be forced to cohabitate with gays, lesbians, homosexuals, in college dorms. See how the numbers change when it actually hits home.

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February 11, 2010 3:31 PM    in reply to waltk

Do you think, currently, people in college dorms or the armed forces aren't sharing living spaces with people with different sexual orientations?

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February 11, 2010 4:14 PM    in reply to Indie Pro

Of course but it's kind of like budgets.
Everyone is in favor of funding, and against spending.

Keep your government off my medicare, increase defense funding for a "strong defense", build more prisons to be tough on crime, and most of all - lower my taxes.

There is a significant part of our citezenry that prefers to live with their head in the sand. Of course, they'd also prefer to not be aware that their head is in the sand. That's what Fox News is for.

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February 11, 2010 4:52 PM    in reply to mcrose68

Well said!

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February 11, 2010 8:37 PM    in reply to mcrose68

...or their head in their ass if there is no sand readily available.

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February 22, 2010 3:41 PM    in reply to James D

Any port in a storm.
;-)

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February 11, 2010 4:11 PM    in reply to waltk

You do know that "in the closet" shouldn't be taken literally. They really haven't been stowed away somewhere just waiting for the repeal of DADT. They've been active members of society for, oh...since man walked the earth, maybe?

If I were to poll parents of incoming college freshmen, I would insist on rewording the question. The word "forced", in any question, immediately puts the pollee on the defensive. For example, if I were to force you to eat a Snickers bar, would you hate chocolate or peanuts more? Better...if I were to give you a Snickers bar, how would it alter your opinion of chocolate or peanuts?

I just reread my reply and think I need to take less cold medicine.

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February 11, 2010 4:37 PM    in reply to waltk

Forced? Cohabit?

Just proves the point that wording is everything.

Bigot.

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February 11, 2010 5:49 PM    in reply to waltk

"For once I would like to see a polling of Americans on of if hetro college freshman should be forced to cohabitate with gays, lesbians, homosexuals, in college dorms. See how the numbers change when it actually hits home."

so, how long have you been aware of your fear of being tricked into having gay sex??

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February 12, 2010 6:38 AM    in reply to waltk

I was force to cohabitate with straight people in college and I made it through without any trauma. I guess that proves that gay men are tougher than all those silly heteros.

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February 11, 2010 4:13 PM   

So, about 13% or so of the country thinks that gays and lesbians are not homosexuals.

Wow. Just, wow.

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February 11, 2010 4:33 PM    in reply to psyclone

Those 13% are just confused 'cause they haven't done found Jesus yet. :p

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February 11, 2010 4:35 PM    in reply to ariseatex

Attempt at snark fail. I meant to say "Those 13% think the others just haven't done found Jesus yet."

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February 11, 2010 5:51 PM    in reply to ariseatex

interesting slip...

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February 11, 2010 4:32 PM   

I went to college 35 years ago, and I knew I was living with gays and lesbians. Today's college freshpeople could not give a tinker's damn about the sexual orientation of those around them.

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February 11, 2010 8:19 PM    in reply to tjiny

I served in the Army forty-five years ago and shared a room for a few months with an openly gay guy. (He didn't wear a sign, but he didn't keep it secret either.) Off duty, he went his way and I went mine. Nobody cared as long as we showed up in the morning and did our work. Commanding officers and first sergeants had enough to do with the usual fights, drunks, and AWOLs without worrying whether everybody was sleeping with the "right" kind of person. Senators, of course, have more leisure to ponder that matter, and seemingly a lot more interest.

We are not talking about sex offenders here. In the military, most of them appear to be straight guys hitting on their female comrades, which seems to have its own DADT policy.

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February 11, 2010 4:50 PM   

The real question that surveys should ask is: Should those who support leaders (such as Sara Palin) who favor secession from the United States and thus the destruction of its Constitution be allowed to serve inn the military?

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February 11, 2010 7:20 PM    in reply to itizenWhy

Good one! When the governor of Texas was throwing around talk of secession to excite the dumbfucks that vote for him, there was a survey of Texas republicans that found about half thought it was a good idea. So if HALF of your political party is in favor of breaking up the UNITED STATES who the hell are the REAL AMERICANS? Should these people be allowed to serve in the armed forces? Should they be allowed to hold political office? Why do these TRAITORS get a free pass on their radical ideas but Acorn is beat to death in the media for signing poor people up to vote?

(actually I would let Texas and the rest of the dumbfuck South out of the Union in a heartbeat.... the progressive states could finally solve some problems and catch up with the rest of Western Civilization)

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February 11, 2010 5:43 PM   

Don't tell anyone, but the miliary really NEEDs some more gay influence.

Try something next time you are at a Democratic convention; walk from caucus to caucus and poll them for their IQ's.

Guess which of the regular groups has the highest?

Gratuitous, uncontrolled "sex", in any form, is anathema to the process of organization. Assuming that gay sex is any more destructive to the process than hetero obsessions is ignoring the blindness of our organs.

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February 11, 2010 6:17 PM   

If they really wanted to show how dumb the respondents were they should have asked if they approved of "heterosexuals openly serving."

I bet you'd get at least 20% saying "no".

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February 11, 2010 7:28 PM   

homosexual is more of an esoteric term.

gay men and lesbians are people -- they have faces. it's like Harvey Milk said, paraphrasing here, "if they know they know even one of us, support for equal rights goes up dramatically"

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February 11, 2010 7:54 PM   

People are stupid.

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February 11, 2010 8:22 PM   

You beat me to it robcat. At least 20%? You're too kind--I at least a third would answer 'no'. A great follow up question would be whether confirmed pedestrians should be allowed to teach in public schools.

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February 11, 2010 9:18 PM   

I'm betting that they just don't know what "homosexual" means. Heck, one of their congressfolk didn't know what "hermaphrodite" meant.

Since "homosexual" has 5 syllables, and the limit of a significant portion of the population extends to 2 at the outside, the probably just felt whatever "homosexuals" were, with such a long word, they must be "elite."

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February 12, 2010 12:22 AM   

The only poll that really counts is the polling of those actually wearing the uniform. Everyone else is just a bystander.

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February 12, 2010 9:05 AM    in reply to waltk

Fail.

Sorry, but in this country, the military doesn't run itself. Civvies decide the rules of war; soldiers just carry out the orders.

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February 12, 2010 4:54 PM    in reply to waltk

Which is what John McCain said when those in uniform agreed with him. Now that the military is preparing to accept gays, he's all "How DARE you do this without consulting congress!"

And speaking of uniforms, I bet you get some gays in there, you end up with uniforms that actually fit!

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