
A new Rasmussen poll supplies a very interesting data point in the ongoing debate about the budget deficit: As it turns out, Republican voters would prefer having a deficit if it meant they can get more tax cuts, instead of raising taxes in order to balance the budget.
The national poll of likely voters asked: "Would you rather see a balanced budget with higher taxes or a budget deficit with tax cuts?" A 41% plurality would rather have budget deficit with tax cuts, with 36% calling for higher taxes and a balanced budget. The internals of the poll show Republicans favoring deficits and tax cuts.
"The partisan differences on the questions are notable," says the pollster's analysis. "While 50% of Republicans would rather see a budget deficit with tax cuts, a plurality (46%) of Democrats favor the opposite approach - a balanced budget with higher taxes. Voters not affiliated with either party are evenly divided on the question."
A separate question asked: "Is it possible to balance the federal budget without raising taxes?" Here the answer was Yes 37%, with a No plurality of 42% saying that it is not possible to balance the budget without raising taxes. In the internals, 47% of Republicans think it's possible to balance the budget without raising taxes, to 53% of Democrats who do not think so.
Another Rasmussen number finds that only a very small minority knew the correct answer to this one: "Is the following statement true or false? Most federal spending is spent on only three programs--Social Security, Medicare and national defense." The correct answer is "True," but only 35% answered that way, with a 44% plurality saying false.
"These figures highlight a massive failure of leadership from both Republicans and Democrats among the nation's political elite," Scott Rasmussen wrote in the analysis. "Given the amount of political chatter about the budget in recent years, it is almost beyond comprehension that neither party has seen fit to highlight the basics so that the American people can make reasoned choices on the fundamental issues before them."
mans_best_friend
February 4, 2010 10:29 AM
I favor balancing the budget by raising everyone's taxes but mine. I also want a magic pony.
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Peter Principle
February 4, 2010 10:51 AM in reply to mans_best_friend
Don't you understand? Tax cuts create magic ponies! It's the miracle of the free market!
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shepherd wong
February 6, 2010 12:59 PM in reply to Peter Principle
Yes and it's the "nation's political elite" not its corporate press who's responsible for all the "political chatter" that teaches the public nothing about how government works.
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Isepick
February 4, 2010 10:33 AM
Wait, you mean the Republicans are the party of tax cut and spend?
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shooter242
February 4, 2010 10:40 AM
Wrong choices on the question. It should be
Do you favor tax cuts even with a deficit, or tax hikes with a deficit?
That is what Republicans actually hear in that poll question.
T
he house isn't agonizing over a $1.9 trillion debt ceiling raise for nothing. And even that will only get them through the November elections.
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nova voter
February 4, 2010 11:05 AM in reply to shooter242
in other words, republicans hear what they want to hear, rather than what they're told. of course. the question was crystal clear, but according to you, republicans just invent a different question in their head, and answer that make-believe question. maybe that explains the truckloads of ridiculous shit that comes out of the republican party -- their total inability or refusal to understand reality.
as for why the house is agonizing over the national debt, you're right, it's not for nothing. it's for january 2001 - january 2009. remember that? cut revenues like crazy, and spend money like a drunken sailor? what do you suppose happens when you spend more than you take in? you go into debt. and when you spend a LOT more than you take in, you go into a LOT of debt.
of course, you're a republican, and we've -- you, mostly -- already established that that apparently brings with it a total disconnection from reality.
the bottom line of this poll is that it confirms what everybody already knew -- the democratic party is the fiscally responsible party. it's been that way for a long, long time.
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Signalman
February 4, 2010 12:28 PM in reply to shooter242
"Do you favor tax cuts even with a deficit, or tax hikes with a deficit?
That is what Republicans actually hear in that poll question."
This is because Republican policy, even before Reagan, presupposed deficits as a matter of governance. They *want* deficits, despite all their bloviation about being the 'party of fiscal responsibility.'
Constantly running deficits is no way to manage a household or a country.
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Moloko+
February 4, 2010 4:47 PM in reply to Signalman
But then they can say - see - government does not work. Look how it goes broke.
Shilling for insane billionaires....is not a moral position nor it it economic philosophy.
But it IS the MO of the Republican Party.
Chickenhawks promoting Empire.
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Silence
February 4, 2010 5:09 PM in reply to Signalman
That's why there is a TEA party.
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Signalman
February 4, 2010 6:07 PM in reply to Silence
Yeah, they're about a generation behind.
If y'all actually gave a flip about deficits, you'd have been crapping on both Bushes *and* Reagan, instead of being Johnny-Come-Latelies to the argument. In the latter half of the 20th Century and most of the 21st so far, Democrats have been far, far better about avoiding deficit spending (and trying to build actual surpluses) than Republicans have been.
The fact that y'all have only gotten religion on the subject of deficit spending once a Democrat's gotten back into the White House (and that y'all *still* don't acknowledge the fact that President Bush *never* figured the Iraq war costs into *any* of his annual budgets only serve to convince me that you're a bunch of partisan hypocrites and not to be trusted. Show me some equal time and derision for the deficit-laden proposals on both sides of the ideological spectrum and then perhaps I'll start giving you some credence.
Otherwise, go jump in a lake.
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Silence
February 4, 2010 7:03 PM in reply to Signalman
So, you approve of Obama's deficits.
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Signalman
February 5, 2010 9:08 AM in reply to Silence
Of course not, you dishonest turd.
Isn't this the twelfth time (or so) I've had to tell you that?
Of course, your silence on the topic of Republican deficit spending certainly makes it look like *you* approve of the deficit shenanigans of Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43. And that makes your objections to Obama's deficit spending and your love of the teabagger party look a lot more like naked political opportunism than any sort of principled, reasoned opposition.
Which is pretty much what I thought about you from the get-go. Dishonest, untrustworthy and unresponsive to fact and truth. That's Silence in a nutshell.
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Peter Principle
February 4, 2010 10:50 AM
News flash: Free lunches are popular -- especially among morons who really believe there is such a thing as a free lunch.
Who'd a thunk it?
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dswx
February 4, 2010 11:19 AM
For many decades all the Repubs whined about was deficits! Then, when Clinton brought us a budget surplus, they shut up. And they said nothing about it while Shrub destroyed the surplus. They are the definition of hypocrites.
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RD Davis
February 4, 2010 12:44 PM in reply to dswx
You mean when klinton took credit for the surplus that the new Republican controlled congress produced? After pronouncing EVERY ONE of klintons budgets DOA?
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chimpale
February 4, 2010 1:09 PM in reply to RD Davis
The surplus came after the Clinton tax hikes, which the Republicans all voted against (but they still passed). Were you trying to say that the Republicans' "no" votes magically produced the surplus? That would be a good trick.
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Silence
February 5, 2010 8:43 AM in reply to dswx
I'm no Bush fan, but it's time for a little reality check. Bush came into office during a recession and had to deal with 9/11 shortly thereafter.
Two recessions, a major terrorist attack, two wars and a housing collapse. Yeah. Short term deficits were inevitable.
The medicare RX program was a mistake and he could have stopped Barney Mae by taking it directly to the people.
Without the housing collapse and a medicare expansion, I believe we would have been well on our way to reducing the deficits caused by the tech bubble and 9/11.
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NobleCommentDecider
February 4, 2010 11:37 AM
Would you support Abortion Police to ensure fetus rights, with elimination of funding for Medicaid health care and food stamps for children living in poverty to pay for it, with any excess savings coming to you as a tax cut?
Republicans - 63% yes, 12% no, 25% too teabagged to respond
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Libertine
February 4, 2010 11:49 AM
But, but, but, the new budget proposed by the R's calls for more tax cuts for the wealthy, more business deregulation, putting an end to medicare and SS (forcing seniors to buy high priced insurance, they can afford less than the rest of us, in the private market) and a balanced budget...by 2060. If we implement the R's vision we will become a Banana Republic in no time flat.
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chimpale
February 4, 2010 12:17 PM in reply to Libertine
I think it's time someone put the question to the GOP and find out exactly where they are trying to get to for a tax rate. The honest answer would be 0%, or "As low as we can possibly bullshit and browbeat responsible Americans into giving us."
Seriously, it doesn't matter how many consecutive years or administrations they ask for and get a tax cut, they will keep demanding another one and claim that it's the cure to all of the nation's ills.
I'll bet if you look at what the average teabagger paid in taxes last year, it's most likely less than in previous years. But, they're convinced that they're getting taxed to death.
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Libertine
February 4, 2010 12:29 PM in reply to chimpale
Yes and when the tax rate is finally at 0% we can read more stories like this one. (h/t to TAPPED courtesy of Krugman)
And when the tax rate falls to 0% America will be fully Afghanistan-ized.
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agio
February 4, 2010 12:58 PM in reply to Libertine
Eye opening read. This 'graph neatly sums up why things will get much, much worse before they get better:
Your average voter has been conditioned to believe that somehow we can pay fewer and fewer taxes and maintain the same level of services. And why shouldn't they, since this is the way the Federal government has operated since 1980?
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Libertine
February 4, 2010 1:09 PM in reply to agio
Yep...and the eye opener for me was the local resort owner chiding the city govt about what they pay their employees and saying, what seemed to be proudly, that the average annual salary of his employees is only $24,000. And who is probably getting big tax breaks from the city...
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NobleCommentDecider
February 4, 2010 1:48 PM in reply to Libertine
Rethugs have also mentioned over funding of schools by relating a tale of a kid who learned math with only a stick and a dirt floor who later went on to become a famous scientist in '----', lesson, all the kids need is dirt and a stick.
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chimpale
February 4, 2010 12:06 PM
This is consistent with the Republican Party's slogan: "Hurray for me. Fuck you."
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ally
February 4, 2010 12:12 PM in reply to chimpale
Lol - Yep. Like the CSPAN caller who said that "We need to cut the Govt in 1/2 - We don't need all those people - Cause They Do Not Create Wealth - Govt Does Not Help to Create Wealth!"
Me, Me, Me - all about Wealthy Me!
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tomh
February 4, 2010 12:36 PM
I was a respondent for this survey, and I certainly felt that the headline question was skewed to obtain a specific result. As a supporter of President Obama's stimulus, I was surprised that there was no option for choosing investment in jobs over closing the deficit.
If I were a Tea Party activist, I would have wanted an option for closing the deficit without new taxes. Yes, it's unrealistic to propose closing the deficit without new taxes. But they don't know that, and the point of a survey is to find out what your respondents really think, not to force-feed them precooked options.
Really, it was a very suspicious survey. Don't draw too many conclusions from it.
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Jason Miller
February 4, 2010 12:40 PM in reply to tomh
They don't just draw conclusions from spurious data around here. They jump to conclusions with the slighest provocation as long as it somehow confirms their existing prejudices.
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mentsmin
February 4, 2010 12:47 PM in reply to Jason Miller
Everyone but you?
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Jason Miller
February 4, 2010 6:23 PM in reply to mentsmin
I have been accused of many things but preforming opinions based on long-standing prejudice isn't one of them.
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ejg3
February 4, 2010 12:44 PM
The usual mix of no common sense with no common concern and no long term thinking. Their political musical scale is every note as me.
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RD Davis
February 4, 2010 12:46 PM
THIS is what we had in '06 when Republicans held both houses of congress and the WH, and dim-0s were running for control of congress promising "CHANGE." How're yall liking the "CHANGE?"
2006 unemployment #s
4.7...jan.
4.8...feb.
4.7...march
4.7...april
4.7...may
4.6...june
4.7...july
4.7...aug.
4.5...sep.
4.4...oct.
4.5...nov.
4.4...dec.
http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=LNS14000000
When Republicans had both houses and the WH.........................http://www.icmarc.org/xp/rc/marketview/ ... oduct.html
The 1st quarter of '06 saw 4.8% growth in GDP. Then came dimos running for control of congress promising "CHANGE." They won, and after 2 years in power, things HAVE "CHANGED" GDP growth dropped to –6%. Happy with your "CHANGE?"
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mentsmin
February 4, 2010 12:53 PM in reply to RD Davis
Correlation does not equal causation (you'll probably want to look those words up).
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ally
February 4, 2010 1:29 PM in reply to RD Davis
one year does not a point make.
"The U.S. lost a record 19.8 percent of its manufacturing jobs over the past seven years. The previous record, before recent years, was the loss of 14.6 percent from the peak of the World War II buildup in 1942 to the depth of the demobilization in 1949."
"President Bush presided over a $2.5 trillion increase in the public debt through 2008"
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chimpale
February 4, 2010 1:42 PM in reply to RD Davis
Way to pick those cherries. I hope you weren't intentionally omitting the rest of the numbers to support your claim.
The Dems took control of the House and Senate in Jan. 2007:
2007
4.6
4.5
4.4
4.5
4.4
4.6
4.6
4.6
4.7
4.7
4.7
5.0
That looks pretty flat to me. Here's 2008:
2008
5.0
4.8
5.1
5.0
5.4
5.5
5.8
6.1
6.2
6.6
6.9
7.4
Who signed the bills? Who demanded tax cuts for the rich? Who started a war and didn't pay for it? Who deregulated (or refused to enforce regulations on) financial markets?
And why didn't Republicans care about the deficit or unemployment until a Democrat got back in the White House? All of a sudden it matters, huh.
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rlkinny
February 4, 2010 1:50 PM in reply to RD Davis
To RD Davis -- The Bush unemployment numbers that you show are actually HIGHER than those he inherited from the Clinton Administration. When Clinton left office unemployment was at 4.2%. The numbers you show for 2006 under Bush average about 4.6% -- higher than when Bush came into office. In contrast, Clinton brought the unemployment rate down from 7.5% to 4.2% during his administration. But, as someone else said on this post, these numbers represent correlation, not causation.
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NobleCommentDecider
February 4, 2010 1:55 PM in reply to RD Davis
Yeah and by the time the fraud had run its course on Republican administrations unregulated Wall Street the 8 years and two terms of Bush were the only in US history where no net increase in jobs occurred from beginning to end.
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hollywood
February 4, 2010 2:31 PM in reply to NobleCommentDecider
It is very important to understand that when no net job growth and steady slow lowering of living standards was happening under the Bush policies, that the income and accumulation of wealth of the richest 1% was going through the roof!
DURING THE ENTIRE DECADE REPUBLICAN TAX POLICY WAS MAKING IT POSSIBLE FOR THE ENTIRE MOMEY MAKING POWER OF AMERICA TO BE SUCKED UP TO THE TOP 1% ...... AND THEN SOME!
INCOME REDISTRIBUTION TO THE SUPER WEALTHY WAS AND IS STILL THE OUTCOME OF REPUBLICAN POLICIES. NOT JUST TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH, BUT DEMONIZING UNIONS, DROPPING HEALTHCARE COVERAGE FOR LOW WAGE WORKERS, OIL PRICE SPECULATION THAT SUCKED BILLIONS OUT OF AVERAGE PEOPLE'S POCKETS ...ETC.
If you are already filthy rich being a Republican is the way to go ...... but why oh why would anyone in the bottom 99% vote to have their hard work taken from them and given to billionaires? WHY?
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AnswerFrog
February 4, 2010 12:48 PM
Thus as we all suspected, "deficits" was just a cheap political gimmick by the people who ran up defificts themselves with unfunded wars and tax cuts for the rich.
GOP: "Country Last, Me First"
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farnsworth
February 4, 2010 12:53 PM
These deficits will be paid for by our grandchildren. More money for us now, more debt for the grandkids.
So the question becomes:
Why do Republicans hate their grandchildren???
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agio
February 4, 2010 12:59 PM in reply to farnsworth
They don't hate their grandchildren. They hate ours.
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Skybolt
February 4, 2010 1:25 PM in reply to agio
They hate everybody, including themselves.
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NobleCommentDecider
February 4, 2010 5:23 PM in reply to agio
Yeah, but they don't care if Bush sends theirs on a fool's mission to get shot at or IED'd in Iraq.
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Phoebe Fay
February 4, 2010 1:00 PM
Tax cuts are a fetish with Republicans. Cutting taxes will get them off every time and damn the consequences.
Of course, they all act as though tax rates are where they were 30 years ago when St. Ronnie cut them. Cutting top tax rates from 70% to 50% is a hell of a big difference from cutting tax rates from 38% to 35%. The former may well have been a strong stimulus. The latter, not so much.
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decisivemoment
February 4, 2010 1:09 PM
And until Republican opinion flips the other way, they're not fit to govern the country. The basic duty of a center-right party in a democracy is to be conservative, and this is the absolute antithesis of conservatism.
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inokeah
February 4, 2010 1:30 PM
You can have the best crew working the sails and a top notch cook in the galley but it the captain is not worth his salt the ship is going to sink.
Man the life boats, there is bad weather ahead.
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rlkinny
February 4, 2010 2:27 PM
Deciding whether to have a deficit with tax cuts, or a balanced budget with tax increases is like taking the Kobayashi Maru test. (For all you Star Trek fans out there). It's a no-win situation. Neither answer results in successfully dealing with a situation where you have to both stimulate the economy and manage a huge national debt. The only way to effectively deal with the situation is to find a different alternative. (As Captain Kirk did).
If you look at what the Obama administration is doing, it is indeed a different alternative. They are saying that neither across the board tax increases or across the board tax decreases are good. Instead, we need to look at targeted tax changes. Specifically:
1. Middle class tax decreases to stimulate the economy. Basically, through tax cuts, give people in the middle class more "disposable income" to stimulate the economy and create job.
2. Upper class tax increases to increase tax revenues and help to control the deficit. And, he's talking about an upper class tax increase that would just take the wealthy back to the tax level that they had under the Reagan administration. (Note: An underlying premise here that the wealthy currently have enough "disposable income" that giving them a tax increase does not reduce their spending in any substantial manner).
This combination may, indeed, be our best current alternative. The fact that the Rasmussen Poll doesn't include this, leads me to believe that they are not paying attention. Their poll is so Last Generation.
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Boidster
February 4, 2010 3:01 PM in reply to rlkinny
Agreed. This question:
"Would you rather see a balanced budget with higher taxes or a budget deficit with tax cuts?"
has an implied "on you" after the phrase "higher taxes". Word it this way and see how they respond:
"Would you rather see a balanced budget with higher taxes on corporations and people making more than $250,000 per year, or a budget deficit with tax cuts across the board?"
Most lower- and middle-class self-identified R's vote against their own self-interest because they believe what Fox News tells them. And unspecific poll questions like this don't help educate them.
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LinusToo
February 4, 2010 3:25 PM
These poll results just confirm what I've always known about the Republican party: Its members suffer from…no, make that cultivate a raging case of The Screaming Me-Me's. For Republicans it's always about Me! Me! Me! What can you do for Me, Me, Me?! Their mantra has always been, "Me first! Me always! Me, Me, Me! I got mine so "f" you. No, wait, give Me yours, too!"
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regular_joe
February 4, 2010 4:42 PM
Wait a minute! If Republicans actually prefer having a deficit with tax cuts, then why did they all become deficit hawks a few microseconds after Obama was elected?
And why are they trying to blame Obama for the current deficit rather than taking credit for it??
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howie
February 4, 2010 5:01 PM
We prefer to say, "borrow and spend", thank you very much. :)
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howie
February 4, 2010 5:03 PM
We prefer to say, "borrow and spend", thank you very much. :)
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howie
February 4, 2010 5:05 PM in reply to howie
Gee, how did that happen? I was trying to reply to Isepick waay up at the top there.
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eevinko
February 5, 2010 12:17 PM
Pretty amazing when you actualyl take a minute to think about it.
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