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Poll: Republicans Think Obama Is A Socialist, And Palin More Qualified To Be President
Eric Kleefeld | February 1, 2010, 3:58PM
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A new Daily Kos/Research 2000 poll, conducted among 2,000 self-identified Republican respondents nationwide, gives an interesting peek into the psyche of the minority party's base.
Kos has not yet released the full numbers, but here's some early info on the poll that he has posted on his Twitter account:
• 39% of Republicans want President Obama to be impeached.
• 63% think Obama is a socialist.
• Only 42% believe Obama was born in the United States.
• 21% think ACORN stole the 2008 election -- that is, that Obama didn't actually win it, and isn't legitimately the president, with 55% saying they are "not sure." This number is actually significantly lower than it was in a similar question from Public Policy Polling (D) back in November, which said that 52% of Republicans thought ACORN stole it. So does this mean Obama is gaining ground among Republicans? As it is, only just over 20% of Republicans will say that Obama actually won the election.
• 53% think Sarah Palin is more qualified than Obama to be president.
• 23% want to secede from the United States.
• 73% think gay people should not be allowed to teach in public schools. This position puts the GOP base well to the right of none other than Ronald Reagan, who helped defeat the Briggs Initiative, a 1978 referendum in California that would have forbidden gays or people who advocated gay rights from teaching in public schools.
• 31% want contraception to be outlawed.
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converse
February 1, 2010 4:15 PM
Just checking: Is it still illegal to sterilize people because of their political views?
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FreeRider
February 1, 2010 5:20 PM in reply to converse
If so, a lot of nutroots on the left would be sterilized, too. They say Obama is a right-wing sellout, warmonger and a corporatist (even though they have no clue what that means).
The people on the left who say Obama is just like Bush are as retarded as the tea baggers who think he's a socialist. They both should be put down or sterilized.
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M Miller
February 1, 2010 6:17 PM in reply to FreeRider
At best he's John Kerry over again. You can lie all you want to about him and he won't much about it if anything. That really helps us all out. He lets the liars win and you think he was smart enough to realize that Americans aren't all that bright and need someone to lead them. If people lie, then they lead America because he isn't doing it.
Health care and the stimulus? Who cares, he won't get support for anything because everyone knows its wrong anyways. That's what people think and he don't tell them otherwise.
He did a good job during the campaign of setting the record straight but as president he has failed us that supported him by keeping his mouth shut and doing what he can to actually fight the disinformation. Now we have to deal with the Republicans winning MORE seats congress turning to the right.
No wonder they call him a corporatist. He caters to them a lot and their agenda.
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FreeRider
February 1, 2010 6:23 PM in reply to M Miller
Be sure to sign up for your sterilization. I would suggest a lobotomy but I see you've already had one.
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VivaAmerica!
February 1, 2010 9:01 PM in reply to M Miller
yes, just like he was John Kerry during the campaign yet ended up whooping McCain's butt.
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CN
February 1, 2010 6:17 PM in reply to FreeRider
Roger Ailes is truly the P.T. Barnum of the 21st century.
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JEP07
February 2, 2010 1:46 PM in reply to CN
The Original News Molester!
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M Miller
February 1, 2010 6:21 PM in reply to FreeRider
And I want to add to that the economy has put me out of a job, health care has put the other person in my household in massive debt. This stuff is no joke whatsoever to me. When he fails at anything, some feel it more than others.
Theres no wonder I look at ALL Republicans (I don't care if anyone disagrees with me) no matter WHO they are as fascists and landowners. If they our healthcare bills, they can have them. If they don't, they can shut the fuck up and take what they deserve for being anti-healthcare reform and screwing the economy. They need to take responsibility for it.
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M Miller
February 1, 2010 6:24 PM in reply to FreeRider
I mean fascist/corporatists just like the landowners in old Italy that tried to dominate over their workers. Communism became something to the actual people that made them rich.
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FreeRider
February 1, 2010 6:29 PM in reply to M Miller
There you go again--using words with no understanding of their meaning.
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M Miller
February 1, 2010 6:32 PM in reply to FreeRider
I know what they mean. Fascist isn't what obama is. Fascist is a right-wing government. See wikipedia. If the GOP isn't corporatist, then there is no such thing as corporatist.
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FreeRider
February 1, 2010 6:48 PM in reply to M Miller
You're arguing with yourself, dearie. I am not and have never defended the Republicans. My point was that when the nutroots on the left call Obama a corporatist warmonger, etc. they are just as retarded as the wackadoos on the right with their nonsensical hyperbole.
Both extremes are ignorant and dangerous. Both should be put down in a county dog pound sorta way.
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M Miller
February 1, 2010 6:59 PM in reply to FreeRider
Agreed. Ignorance is ignorance and doesn't help anyone out. I guess I'm just one that has my heart into the whole things more because I still believe in the change Obama was talking about it and will when he has been out of office for 20 years.
FIGHT. They won't give up easy and they must be fought at every turn.
I think a lot of people that are pretty far on the left are pointing out that all he is doing is changing things in the system and keeping the system intact that is going to fail no matter what. They know it will fail again but they probably should go after the other people that make it fail more than Obama.
A system that is "capitalism" that is built upon something with no human emotion other than... well... greed (in more instances than need be) is bound to fail unless the people choose to not allow greed and endless profit to make it fail. Is the right to make x millions a year really worth it? Is total endless freedom really what people want? Someone(s)' going to get screwed.
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M Miller
February 1, 2010 6:48 PM in reply to FreeRider
Sorry, I don't mean to come off that mean. I'm just saying that there is an issue that some people don't like with Obama. I would defend Obama to any Republican at all. If I was polled, I would say that I am a STRONG supporter because them dam teabaggers are being polled too.
The ideas Democrats support and more left-leaning people as well, they may not see much of the good that they support. Greed isn't a big thing with left-leaners. The subsidies that government gives, which left-leaners totally are for are things that the people I KNOW are going to have. Medicaid, SS Disability, Unemployment, the whole nine-yards.
When he fails to be as strong of a leader as some of us want, its always with ALL due respect. Some of us come from VERY GOP areas and have this insane shoot anything way about us but grew to be fighters not for some ignorant corporate Republican agenda but for all of us hard workers out there that have been watching each other suffer at the hands of Republicans.
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FreeRider
February 1, 2010 6:54 PM in reply to M Miller
I have watched Democratic administrations be destroyed by Democrats too many times and I wonder "when will we ever learn?" The answer is NEVER!
The Democrats did more harm to Carter than the Republicans and we ended up with Reagan. The Democrats helped cripple Clinton. The Democrats whined that Bush and Gore were the same and gave us 8 years of Bush.
It's only after we turn the government over to a right-wing wacko who goes against everything we care about that they halt the madness. Then, as soon as we elect a Democrat, we instantly start ripping him to shreds because he's not "pure" enough and the vicious cycle starts all over again.
Needless to say, I hate these assholes *almost* much as much as I hate the right-wingers. I find Kucinich as repulsive as Pence. Both stand in the way of a Democratic agenda. Fuck 'em both.
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lousgirl84
February 1, 2010 7:03 PM in reply to FreeRider
Again, I can't help but agree because I too have witnessed this far too many times and it isn't pretty.
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M Miller
February 1, 2010 7:04 PM in reply to FreeRider
In the end, I guess the only way for it all to work in the current system is for Democrats to stick together. If the GOP is, then I guess Democrats are too or nothing can really happen. against: GOP 41, Dem 10; for: dem 49.
I think the problem is probably the system itself. I like Europe's coalition government. You can vote for far-left or center-left and they would work with each other to run the majority.
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VictorLaszlo
February 1, 2010 11:24 PM in reply to FreeRider
lol
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tatere
February 2, 2010 5:27 PM in reply to FreeRider
Oh well gosh, Mr. Wizard, why don't you explain it to us so we will be enlightened? Or, alternatively, you could curse some more. That's always helpful.
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FreeRider
February 2, 2010 6:20 PM in reply to tatere
I choose the alternative. Fuck off, asswipe.
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LonewackoDotCom3
February 1, 2010 6:26 PM in reply to converse
What a progressive and humane joke! Those in the past used regressive means such as camps to contain their political enemies.
As for the poll, here's one highly flawed question: Would you support or oppose giving illegal immigrants now living in the United States the right to live here legally if they pay a fine and learn English?
That doesn't reflect the reality of any legislation proposed in the past several years. Even the most far-left proposals wouldn't cover everyone (the question covers everyone), with some limiting it to those here for a while and with all at least pretending to not include criminals. And, of course, that question doesn't specify where "living here" actually means getting "on the path the citizenship" or whether they'd just be "guests". And, of course, it doesn't reveal any of the downsides of comprehensive immigration reform. Kos isn't exactly a great thinker, and the poll reflects that.
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Docb
February 2, 2010 9:16 AM in reply to converse
Problem with this is 'self identified republican' on the net...I have many repub friends that are appalled by the FRINGE taking over the agenda..They think palin a joke that embarrassed them with her uninformed cutsy mouth!
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Laughing Vergil
February 2, 2010 4:41 PM in reply to Docb
This was not a "net" poll. This was a traditional poll. That means that the traditional ways of identifying a person as a Republican, Democrat, or other, was used.... they were asked.
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Darlene
February 2, 2010 7:26 PM in reply to converse
Thanks, I needed the laugh. Signed the 'Death Squad!
(just kidding!) Darlene
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plan69
February 1, 2010 4:16 PM
Here's a question for these retards: Do you think George W. Bush was a better President than President Obama and, if so, why?
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Overreach THIS!
February 1, 2010 4:22 PM in reply to plan69
85% would. If not more.
Why? They can make something up, no worries.
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Darrius
February 1, 2010 4:36 PM in reply to Overreach THIS!
Oh, they will say that Obama is better so far, but they will also tell you that Bush is a liberal.
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Overreach THIS!
February 1, 2010 5:12 PM in reply to Darrius
I had to read your note a coupla times to understand even. Listen, I don't honestly think they'd say he was "better so far." He's a socialist, a fascist, Hitler. No, I think they'd say he needs to be impeached pronto. That's what the polls show, as I understand.
There is a lot of irrationality involved here, a *lot*
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benny 4 facts
February 1, 2010 4:16 PM
Was this poll taken in South Carolina, Texas and Georga?
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TBender
February 1, 2010 4:21 PM in reply to benny 4 facts
Obviously not. If it was, those numbers would be 100%.
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Richardxx
February 1, 2010 5:40 PM in reply to TBender
Only a 100%? Nah, here in Texas it would run more like 250%.
The Republicans stuff every ballot box they can find. It's an ingrained reflex, so old they think that Adam was given it when God kicked him and Eve out of Eden.
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shooter242
February 1, 2010 5:04 PM in reply to benny 4 facts
These results aren't believable. I suspect they are manipulated at best, and fabricated at worst. It will be interesting to see the details of this.
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FreeRider
February 1, 2010 5:22 PM in reply to shooter242
It's hard to claim these numbers aren't accurate when you frequently express those same views here.
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shooter242
February 1, 2010 5:37 PM in reply to FreeRider
You are obviously not paying attention.
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FreeRider
February 1, 2010 5:50 PM in reply to shooter242
On the contrary.
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Rick
February 1, 2010 8:21 PM in reply to FreeRider
He's saying the numbers are too low. Only 63% think Obama's a socialist? The number is far too low.
I think the poll reflects the kind of opinions that people express when they know that they are answering a poll. If you polled people and asked "Who would be a better President, Barack Obama or Joe Montant?" a sizeable portion would answer Montana, even if they would never dream of voting for him in reality.
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farnsworth
February 1, 2010 6:05 PM in reply to shooter242
Like you would believe anything that didn't fit your preconceived notions.
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nova voter
February 1, 2010 6:19 PM in reply to shooter242
i'm with shooter on this. i don't believe these numbers. i mean, i DO believe that there is some segment of the republican base that believes these things, but i cannot believe it's even close to these numbers in reality.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
February 1, 2010 9:14 PM in reply to nova voter
Believe it. This is what happened when the more or less sane ones finally got disgusted with Bush and left the party. When they left, there was no one left in the asylum to make the people like this to take their meds so they just got crazier and crazier and crazier. Throw in the rich ones' boundless sense of entitlement to power and their deep sense of grievance of having lost power just because a majority of the voters--many of them not even white people!--voted against them, and this is what you get.
That percentage who are anti-contraception is right on the money too. I keep trying to tell people that Roe v. Wade isn't the ultimate objective of the religious right, that it's Griswold v. Connecticut, but no one believes me.
These are the people the Firebaggers are willing to let run the country if they can't have their way about everything. These are the people that they insist are indistinguishable from the "Corruptocrats" so why bother to vote?
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Laughing Vergil
February 2, 2010 4:40 PM in reply to nova voter
This is not the first poll showing a huge number of Republicans (and independents - but primarily Republicans) believeing that Obama was not born in the US. In fact, in all of the polls I have seen asking this question, the Republican "No" votes outweigh the Republican "Yes" votes. Example:
From an August, 2009 Public Policy Polling poll:
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eztempo
February 1, 2010 7:08 PM in reply to shooter242
The favorite (and only, apparently) news network Republicans watch is Fox. I'd say these "views" are pretty much in line with what they hear coming from Roger Ailes, no?
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Neil
February 1, 2010 7:27 PM in reply to shooter242
shooter, you really crack me up. what is the republican leadership saying all the time? that Obama is a "socialist." many of the rally posters say the same thing.
which is pathetic really. these people clearly have no idea what "socialism" is. by current republican definition of "socialism" all US presidents of the 20th century have been "socialists" including Reagan.
the GOP is basically cultivating an illiterate mob. they can't distinguish between a social program on one hand, from the fire department to public schools to regulation of monopolies and financial institutions allowed to incorporate under law by the state, etc. to on the other hand being a full blown "socialist" i.e. the notion the state should permanently control the means of production and distribution of wealth.
GM and such are clearly special cases due to a crisis brought about by a lack of financial and environmental regulation as well as military policy centered around oil.
GM for one example wouldn't have been in trouble if:
1) we passed stricter CAFE and developed more public transit. they'd have made more competitive cars focused on efficiency and build quality, instead of poorly built SUV on pickup chassis like rolling sofas.
2) we've spent trillions of tax dollars subsidizing GM and other energy consumption based US corporations via our military which has largely been securing oil. that has grossly distorted our markets, which was ultimately unsustainable, has killed tens of thousands of soldiers, and heightened out exposure to terrorism and global resentment, also hurting our exports.
3) we should have better regulated financial markets and prevented banks from loaning cheap money from the FED on one hand, while making risky investments on the other, and growing "too big to fail" and putting the entire economy at risk which then had ripples to everything from pensions to auto sales.
republicans think socialism and capitalism are polar opposites. on the contrary a "free market" can't exist without regulation, as anyone serious readily admits. any modern nation to be efficient and competitive globally, to encourage growth, education, self defense, and wellbeing, depends on a complex mix of free markets, entrepreneurship, regulation, social programs.
most republicans today simply lack the curiosity or education to understand complex systems or any notion of efficiency. most republicans today would be either libertarian idealist isolationists or corporatist imperial fascists given their way.
today's republicans have become the party of hicks, reactionaries, and corporatism. strange bedfellows.
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Darlene
February 2, 2010 8:53 PM in reply to Neil
Your right! They don't know the meaning pf the word 'Socialism' yet they profess to be followers of Christ, who was the greatist and most famous 'Socialist' the world has ever known. In fact the first 'Christian' communities, founded by the deciples were 100% Socialistic! ie: "Sell all you own, put all the money in the community pot, and if you held some back, your were literally 'DEAD' without a trial.
I don't mean to turn this into a religious discussion, but that is another idiotic mind set of the Christian right.
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Schmed
February 1, 2010 4:17 PM
It would be interesting to see how the RNC regards these numbers. It would also be helpful if the poll compared these results to similarly questioned polls of average Americans without reference to party affiliation.
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Xantar
February 1, 2010 4:19 PM
There are times when I really wish this was constitutionally possible. They'd get to self-immolate in the Republic of Texabama while the rest of us get on with fixing our country.
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NR
February 2, 2010 3:40 AM in reply to Xantar
The problem is, without the moderating influence of the saner states, that part of the country would quickly become a theocratic police state. The massive influx of refugees to the north would be a crippling problem, so we can't let it happen.
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Jeppy
February 1, 2010 4:20 PM
Of course they'd get these kind of results if they only asked "self-identified Republicans". Only the crazy ones still call themselves Republicans. The moderate ones say "Independent."
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Schmed
February 1, 2010 4:26 PM in reply to Jeppy
The moderate ones say "Independent."
What sane person would want to identify with the profile described by this poll?
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jenesq
February 2, 2010 11:44 AM in reply to Jeppy
I'm not sure I agree with that. A lot of the teabaggers claim to be "independent" in order to burnish their credibility (lol, sorry, I giggled as I typed that). In fact, I'm not sure we are seeing a move away from Obama among real independents (centrist/moderates) but rather that we are seeing a lot more fringe types adopt the label of "independent."
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stillidealistic
February 2, 2010 2:03 PM in reply to jenesq
The "independent" tent is getting pretty big, but it incorporates people who have 180 degree differences in ideology...plus some are indies just because they want to criticize everything and accept blame for nothing.
If you think herding cats and dems is difficult, try herding them.
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Pete Bilderback
February 3, 2010 10:17 AM in reply to stillidealistic
Bingo. So many people identify themselves as Independents because they want to be able to blame other people when anything goes wrong.
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musgrove
February 1, 2010 4:26 PM
Id feel sorry for these brainwashed people if they werent doing so much harm to our country.
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JEP07
February 2, 2010 1:45 PM in reply to musgrove
The institutions that are enabling that brainwashing are the real culprits. These ignorant lemmings are almost as much victims of the pernicious right as we are, if they had been fed enough truth via education to offset the lies, the liars might not be so capable of managing them.
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lousgirl84
February 2, 2010 2:26 PM in reply to JEP07
Agreed but you can't get it through their thick skulls. Saliormarlowe is a perfect example.
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Sailormarlowe
February 1, 2010 4:30 PM
Obama has had a cushy free ride. No trial by ordeal. However, Sarah Palin, a small town girl from modest family, has accomplished much in spite of sexism, mysogyny, the frown, the wrinkled lip, the insolence of office, the proud man's contumely; slithy toves and whited sepulchers in media caverns measureless where Albrecht Durer carves, where horrible green parrots call and swing, and plagiarists practice without shame. Such gamut of gauntlets has Sarah run, and skewered Mordred. Yet, knaves with nodules would discredit her?
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Sailormarlowe
February 1, 2010 4:34 PM in reply to Sailormarlowe
D@mn! Misogyny. Goodbye for today.
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farnsworth
February 1, 2010 6:02 PM in reply to Sailormarlowe
Wait, aren't you the guy who said Palin was a military position?
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jonnienohands
February 1, 2010 4:39 PM in reply to Sailormarlowe
Yeah, the GOP should go with that.
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Schmed
February 1, 2010 4:48 PM in reply to Sailormarlowe
Why are you shilling for Palin? She wouldn't understand what you've written in such elitest purple prose, and would probably assume you've insulted her. Of course, if she were half smart, she'd barf at the sound of such cloying pablum.
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Why oh why
February 1, 2010 6:32 PM in reply to Sailormarlowe
You forgot the rabid man-eating mooses.
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Weitberg
February 1, 2010 4:34 PM
It's nice, though, that Kos has finally gotten around to polling the RedState.com comments section.
TheWeekinRebuke.com
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TerryDarc
February 1, 2010 4:40 PM
Couldn't we PUHLEEZ just give the teeny-tiny republican party some state I consider useless: AK, MS, OK, MA? Move all of the R's there, establish diplomatic relations with their new country and let them live out their fascist wet-dreams to the fullest. They'd be happier and we'd be free of their disgusting ejaculations.
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Schmed
February 1, 2010 4:50 PM in reply to TerryDarc
Okay, but if you give them MA, they have to keep the Red Sux there.
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Powkat
February 1, 2010 4:52 PM in reply to TerryDarc
I've been saying this for years. There are just enough of these poor benighted people to put the country in gridlock. The politi-corpor-media class are happy to keep them stirred up because they benefit from this appalling ignorance. If we could send them off to their happy little state of unreality, can we send David Gregory and Terry Moran, too?
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acf_ma
February 1, 2010 5:08 PM in reply to TerryDarc
Keep them out of my state (MA). I say give them Haiti, and let them see if they can fix it, from the ground up, in their image, with a whole new political system.
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Jeppy
February 1, 2010 6:21 PM in reply to acf_ma
Yeah, that would work. They're all part of the "pick yourself up by your bootstraps" crowd. Let'em prove it.
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rambler american
February 1, 2010 4:50 PM
Lobotomize Republicans.
Not just a good idea. It's the LAW.
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Johnbo
February 1, 2010 5:39 PM in reply to rambler american
Um, hasn't someone already done that?
Just askin'.
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TrivTriv
February 1, 2010 4:56 PM
"63% think Obama is a socialist"
It is factually untrue that Obama is a socialist. I'm sorry, but like him or not, his policies are not socialist policies, and these people clearly don't know what the word "socialist" means. Can someone please call them on that?
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jenesq
February 2, 2010 11:45 AM in reply to TrivTriv
You really think facts or reality matter to people like this?
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stillidealistic
February 2, 2010 8:28 PM in reply to TrivTriv
But it sounds soooo patriotic to call him that!
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Walter Mitty
February 1, 2010 4:59 PM
Only 53% think Palin would be a better President - That's not good for Palin at all. That's only half of self-identifying Republicans, so the other half think Obama is the better choice. Along with 99% of all Democrats and probably 60% of Independents.
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whitenoise100
February 1, 2010 5:18 PM in reply to Walter Mitty
53% think Palin is more qualified to be President. I'm pretty sure 100% of these yahoos think she'd be actually be a better President. Also, too, that she better understands the values of those real Americans out there in small towns throughout our great nation and in places like Alaska and so forth.
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lousgirl84
February 1, 2010 6:51 PM in reply to whitenoise100
However, a poll was done last week I believe, where a sampling of the country was polled and over 70% said she is not fit to be president.
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PeninsulaMatt
February 1, 2010 5:04 PM
Hey, the right stole the signs of the left from 2001 through 2008! Some enterprising progressive could have made some money by selling them on E-Bay AND they'd get more use out of the signs - very environmental!
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twirling fartknocker
February 1, 2010 5:08 PM
well, they've got the below-100 IQ market cornered, but we've known that
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hoehneb
February 1, 2010 5:17 PM
Uh... Is this satire?
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Tom Betz
February 1, 2010 9:01 PM in reply to hoehneb
I wish! It's for real. Markos anticipates a post on the poll Tuesday, with crosstabs and all the internals, after he's had achance to digest them.
Should be very revealing!
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Tom Betz
February 1, 2010 9:01 PM in reply to hoehneb
I wish! It's for real. Markos anticipates a post on the poll Tuesday, with crosstabs and all the internals, after he's had achance to digest them.
Should be very revealing!
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Tom Betz
February 1, 2010 9:02 PM in reply to Tom Betz
Dang! First this happens at the Daily Kos, now here.
I suspect something in Google Chrome's javascript interpreter is playing havoc with these sites' posting code!
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Tom Betz
February 1, 2010 9:02 PM in reply to Tom Betz
Dang! First this happens at the Daily Kos, now here.
I suspect something in Google Chrome's javascript interpreter is playing havoc with these sites' posting code!
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Jorge
February 1, 2010 5:18 PM
That's a frightening set of numbers. I can only think of two reasons for these results offhand. One is that this is the response of a primarily white party feeling threatened by a black president, and another is that this is what happens when you lose all power after having most of it for many years. Obviously, I don't think that all or even most Republicans are racist, but this is a very frightening set of numbers.
Research 2000 (http://www.dirtygreek.org/outgoinglink.php?url=http://www.research2000.us/about-2), who did the poll, is connected to DailyKos in that they do polls for them, but it's been pretty good about seeming believable in the past.
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Jorge
February 1, 2010 5:19 PM in reply to Jorge
Sorry, bad link last time
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shooter242
February 1, 2010 5:22 PM
I see this company had Coakley as a runaway winner 2 days before the election. Heh.
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ejg3
February 1, 2010 5:23 PM
This just confirms that bipartisanship is both a myth and a one way street.
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CT Voter
February 1, 2010 5:29 PM
Thanks, everyone, for the comments. They've been great fun to read.
At this point, the number of self-identified Republicans has shrunk. Therefore, the crazy is undiluted by any so-called independents. (And I suspect this will be growing trend, once these numbers get out there).
So these numbers aren't surprising. A minority {small, and growing smaller} of the country calls themselves Republicans and holds extremist views about the President.
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mans_best_friend
February 1, 2010 5:41 PM in reply to CT Voter
Well, they did find 2,000 of them to poll. ;-)
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NotFooledByDistractions
February 1, 2010 5:39 PM
How long did it take them to find 2000 people willing to admit they're republicans?
Looking at the results, I didn't think there were THAT many crazy/ignorant people in this country.
Just out of morbid curiosity...What was the racial make up of those polled.
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jsdc007
February 1, 2010 5:40 PM
The modern day GOP is what happens when crazy meets ignorant. The modern day Democratic party is what happens when cowardly meets incompetent.
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threesmommy
February 1, 2010 5:55 PM
Could we please have an update on what percentage of the entire population self-identifies as Repub? Because until we know that number, it's hard to know the significance of what 39% of them believe or want.
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CT Voter
February 1, 2010 5:59 PM in reply to threesmommy
These numbers were from summertimeish, earlier.
Number of self-identified Republicans is getting smaller
21% in the Post Poll, and 20% in the WSJ poll.
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breakspear
February 1, 2010 6:02 PM
Sarah Palin isnt electable, at least to be Prez of the US. shes a bonafide quitter who left her democratically elected Governor position to go make money (before her fame ran out). now shes a pundit on Fox News. if GOPers want to find a woman candidate for higher office perhaps women like Lisa Murkowski, or Kay Bailey Hutchison could be considered. they havent quit their jobs and are doing quite well from the polls ive read recently. yes Sarah Palin has a right to seek to make money but for her supporters to not notice the real reasons she quit her job last year (again to make money) and still say shes qualified to be Prez just says more about how illinformed and uncaring they are for who is actually electable to be Prez.
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farnsworth
February 1, 2010 6:11 PM in reply to breakspear
Do you seriously believe that more than 10% ever make an informed, thoughtful decision about anything when they vote?
If you do, I want some of what you are smoking.
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breakspear
February 1, 2010 6:08 PM
and just curious: what has Obama done that would rise to the constitutional level of 'high crimes and misdemeanors' in order for him to be 'impeached', as 39 percent of these petulant brat voters said. now if it were Bush or Ch'eney, well then there might be many things to point at
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Davis_X_Machina
February 1, 2010 6:34 PM in reply to breakspear
what has Obama done that would rise to the constitutional level of 'high crimes and misdemeanors' in order for him to be 'impeached'
Taken with the ACORN numbers, I'd say 'being in possession of stolen goods'.
Just because your consistent doesn't mean you're sane,
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Kuyleh
February 1, 2010 8:07 PM in reply to breakspear
He's black, and he's not a Republican.
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bluesplashy
February 1, 2010 9:53 PM in reply to Kuyleh
You betcha!
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WaitWut?
February 1, 2010 6:17 PM
31% want contraception to be outlawed. Wow. Imagine all those unwanted Republicans. And, I'm bettin' that 31% doesn't have to worry about contraception.
Where was this poll taken? Appalachia?
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Michael A
February 1, 2010 6:20 PM
This poll is really silly. 1/2 these people have no clue what the words socialist or impeach means. Also, 1/2 these people have no clue about rambo of the northwest.
The b-movie actor's war on education has really paid dividends. We have an uneducated and poor mass of people that have no clue about anything and are willing to vote against their interests and for repukes. Pathetic.
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patmcgrowen
February 1, 2010 6:29 PM
These are good examples of the brainwashing being perpetuated on Fox News. They are nothing more than a 24/7 informercial spouting right-wing propaganda. I would suggest all polls have the question. Do you get your information from Fox News? That would have registered 100% on this poll. We must figure out a way to neutralize or counter the perversion of our politics by Fox. Almost all the GOP 2012 hopefuls have their own show on there. It's just so sad that true journalism has become so extinct that the so-called network news are too scared to call them out. It would seem they would be the first to call out Fox's misrepresentations and make an effort to get people to watch them instead of infotainment at its worst. Journalism has become a race to the bottom.
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Matt Jones
February 1, 2010 6:36 PM
I'm certainly no fan of Republicans, but these results make me wonder if the pollsters identified themselves as associated with DailyKos. If they did, isn't it more likely that a substantial fraction of the respondents were just fucking around? It'd be like the National Review taking a poll of Democratic voters and asking questions like, "Do you think George Bush is the devil?"
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Packerfanchick
February 1, 2010 6:43 PM
Funny thing is they don't even know what a Socialist is.
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lousgirl84
February 1, 2010 6:52 PM in reply to Packerfanchick
They also don't know their assholes from a outhouse either
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DugFmJamul
February 1, 2010 7:01 PM in reply to Packerfanchick
Yes "they" do know what a Socialist is, a Socialist wants to bring about Socialism thru revolutionary means like Mao, Castro and Marx. A Democratic-Socialist like Hugo Chavez, Senator Bernie Sanders and Obama want to bring about Socialism thru evolutionary means by introducing "progressive policies" using democratic principles.
Do you understand the difference?
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Packerfanchick
February 1, 2010 7:07 PM in reply to DugFmJamul
Uh no a Social Democrat is for highly controlled Capitalism and therefore is not a Socialist, a Socialist is someone who feels the workers should own the means of production not the government or Corporations. Marx and Castro were Communists, Marx thought that the natural progression of Socialism would end in Communism and they are not the same things. Socialism is an ECONOMIC system, not a political system. Just as Capitalism is an ECONOMIC system, there is no threat to a democracy is Socialism was chosen over Capitalism except to those who want to hold onto power. "They" believe Socialism is Communism, it is not, as well as Fascism, which is the antithesis to Communism. One cannot be a Socialist, Communist, Fascist, Liberal it is impossible. So NO they DO NOT know what a Socialist is.
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Packerfanchick
February 1, 2010 7:29 PM in reply to DugFmJamul
P.S. Communists believe in a small government that owns the means of production so as you can see Socialism and Communism are very very different. Capitalism has become quite a lot like Fascism in that our Corporations and Government have come together to rule the masses.
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DugFmJamul
February 1, 2010 10:34 PM in reply to Packerfanchick
Sorry PackerFan but most Republicans know Socialism is a social-economic system in which the means of producing and distributing goods are owned collectively and political power is exercised by the workers. Socialism is in direct contradiction to our “Republican form of Government” that our Constitution guarantees to all States within this Union.
Marx argued for a systemic understanding of socio-economic change to socialism, then communism. Marx like Castro was a socialist first before he were a communist; socialism is the evolutionary path to communism according to Marx.
You know you may be correct on this one, since Socialism needs democracy to erode our “Republican form of Government” and undermine our Constitution.
Socialism may not be a threat to democracy but it’s definitely a direct threat to our Constitutional Republic!!!
http://www.dsausa.org/pdf/widemsoc.pdf
What is Democratic Socialism?
The above two paragraphs describes President Obama and Senator Bernie Sanders precisely, they both are lending towards Socialism in their philosophy, policies and legislation for this Nation.
I would hope that Republicans, along with other patriots that still believe in our Constitutional Republic to wake up and oppose both Obama and Sanders before it’s too late.
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Packerfanchick
February 1, 2010 10:47 PM in reply to DugFmJamul
Blah blah blah, in the context that most Republicans use the term Socialist, they really mean either Nazi or Communist. It is a buzzword, regardless of that it is funny that Republicans sway between democracy and republic depending on their suited interests. Last I checked it was a Democratic Republic, elected officials speaking and representing THE PEOPLE. We are not that anymore, the public officials speak for the Corporation. The threat to our democracy or republic (whichever you wish to call it today) is the current Plutocracy that has evolved from the Fascist policies of the fundamental Christian right. Whether you agree or not, that is the fact of the matter.
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Packerfanchick
February 1, 2010 10:49 PM in reply to DugFmJamul
I still would like to know how Democracy would undermine the Constitution. Please spell that one out for me. That just sounds ignorant and plain stupid. A government made by the people and for the people is exactly the spirit this nation was founded.
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DugFmJamul
February 2, 2010 12:15 AM in reply to Packerfanchick
The last time Democrats ran the Senate with more than sixty (61) votes was 1977 under Jimmy Carter and Carter turned out to be a one term president. The lesson learned here is that the government runs better when power is shared between the three branches of government instead of one party rule.
President Obama scolded the Republicans and the Supreme Court during his first State of Union Address; this demonstrated how dangerous one party rule can be to this Nation as the result of democratic principles coming to fruition. The Congress and the Supreme Court are supposed to share power with the President as co-equals, not to work for the President in subordination status. The President was indeed undermining and in contempt of the Constitution with his arrogance of POWER that night!
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.
Thomas Jefferson was referring as to why the Constitution outlines a republican form of government and not a democracy.
As Benjamin Franklin was leaving the building where, after four months of hard work, the Constitution had been completed and signed, a lady asked him what kind of government the convention had created.
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Packerfanchick
February 2, 2010 11:03 AM in reply to DugFmJamul
Hahahahaha were you speaking the same tune during the Bush administration? Where all three branches didn't check and balance each other? Your interpretation is ripe with hyperbole and an agenda clear on misinterpretation of the founders intent. Go back to the hole where you crawled out of.
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DugFmJamul
February 2, 2010 1:18 PM in reply to Packerfanchick
But of course…yes I was singing the same tune against Bush. It’s just that Progressives are tone deaf, that’s all. But Bush has nothing to do with our debate other than he lost the Republic to a Socialist without firing a shot!
Bush this; Bush that…enough with Bush already! When are you Progressives going to stop scapegoating Bush and lay the blame on Obama where it belongs?
No, my account is “RIGHT ON” and your interpretation is nothing but Progressive Propaganda and Liberal Conjecture.
If you were correct the Constitution would read…
…but it doesn’t. It reads…
…instead!
To break the indoctrination spell of Progressivism let’s say this together ten times…
Now that wasn’t so hard was it?
I can’t its being occupied by YOU and your progressive friends; you know illegal aliens and Islamic Terrorists. You know this means you lost our debate because you resulted to insulting remarks FIRST! Didn’t your professors teach you that at Berkeley?
Q. What does Punxsutawney Phil and Progressives have in Common?
A. They are both correct only 70% of the time with their proclamations when they crawl out of bed looking for their shadow!
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Packerfanchick
February 2, 2010 3:48 PM in reply to DugFmJamul
Just for the record I am invoking Godwin's Law and will not respond further.
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DugFmJamul
February 2, 2010 4:12 PM in reply to Packerfanchick
What an interesting way of saying you lost the debate, well thanks for playing!
CHEERS....
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Michael A
February 2, 2010 12:09 AM in reply to DugFmJamul
Huh? Who let you out of the asylum, or maybe they allow computer access in asylums now?
Your post clearly evidences a mental problem with reality.
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DugFmJamul
February 2, 2010 12:18 AM in reply to Michael A
Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.
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Scott in PacNW
February 2, 2010 1:26 AM in reply to DugFmJamul
Ach. Dude, you don't even know the difference between Communism and Socialism.
What nonsense. Just STFU until you buy a dictionary.
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HeinieKaboobler
February 2, 2010 4:48 PM in reply to DugFmJamul
"Socialism is a social-economic system in which the means of producing and distributing goods are owned collectively and political power is exercised by the workers."
This is Lenin's definition of socialism and is not part of the Social Democratic tradition.
For the last fifty years, "socialism" has referred to democratic socialism and not communism. (e.g. the Parti socialiste is democratic socialist, the Parti communiste français is Marxist.)
According to Lenin, the Social Democrats are far worse, in terms of oppression of the proletariat, than fascists. Most revolutionary Marxists consider Social Democracy to be the highest (and hence worst) form of capitalism, because it creates an immobile lumpen-proletariat.
"Socialism is in direct contradiction to our “Republican form of Government” that our Constitution guarantees to all States within this Union."
Socialism and Communism are both forms of republicanism, hence the "Republic of China" and the "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics." Likewise, socialist countries like France and Sweden are democratic republics.
Not to mention, some of the founding fathers, Thomas Paine in particular, have been considered socialists.
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DugFmJamul
February 2, 2010 10:11 PM in reply to HeinieKaboobler
I was originally responding to PackerFanChick’s “Funny thing is they don't even know what a Socialist is.”, they meaning Republicans.
Republicans mostly use what you called “Lenin’s definition of socialism” to define socialism, regardless of any Social Democratic tradition you may believe in.
According to some of the responses that I have seen here Progressives seem unable to agree on what a Socialist is either and that’s probably from years of running away from being labeled a Socialist.
Thomas Paine may have been considered a socialist by some of your Democratic-Socialist friends, like Bernie Sanders. But Thomas Paine did not contribute to the Constitution as a framer or ratifier in final months of the Constitutional Convention of 1787.
Of course there can be a Republic of Socialist or Communist States, that’s not what I’m speaking of when I say…
You tell me ... Why the direct contradiction?
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Michael A
February 1, 2010 6:44 PM
Ok, now I like this poll, much, much better.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/125450/Party-Affiliation-Despite-GOP-Gains-States-Remain-Blue.aspx?CSTS=alert
Now, if the dems can only get something done this year and move the ball forward, 2010 might not be a complete disaster. Problem is they have to accomplish things, which they are not doing.
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JohnMcCSF
February 1, 2010 8:22 PM
73%%^%%%%%%%
Amazing. The 1978 election was the first CA election I voted in. Moved to SF just in time to vote against Briggs
and
ANITA BRYANT
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tiredofit10
February 1, 2010 8:33 PM
what is that last one? they want contraception to be outlawed? Oh so they don't want to go back to the so called good old days they want to go back to prehistoric times. They need to get an education then maybe they won't be so backwards thinking.
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jenesq
February 2, 2010 11:50 AM in reply to tiredofit10
Follow along...if contraception were outlawed, people would not have premarital sex. In fact, premarital sex did not exist prior to the invention of birth control. It is birth control that turns people into raging bundles of sex-crazed hormones.
Yes, that is what these douchebags think....even though, if my recollection is correct, St. Ronald Reagan knocked Nancy up before they were married, and ditto Pat Robertson and his wife.
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elle a
February 1, 2010 8:38 PM
31% want contraception to be outlawed.
23% want to secede.
this is actually kinda funny.
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bluesplashy
February 1, 2010 10:13 PM
31% want contraception to be outlawed.
So did they also ask how many believed in child sex slaves?
Where did they find these people? Who wants contraception outlawed and why?
But even more importantly - why am I getting freaked out about this instead of laughing my ass off?
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rip
February 2, 2010 12:47 PM
Seeing as 72% of Democrats think that 99% of Republicans are complete fuckwits, I'm not surprised at these numbers.
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The Mad Hungarian
February 2, 2010 2:23 PM
I am a Republican who believes that Barack Obama was elected fair and square, that he was born in the United States and that he should not be impeached. I have never met a person, Democrat or Republican, who believed that Ohio should secede from the Union.
I fervently hope and pray that you guys take these poll results seriously since they are so consistent with your worldview, even if not with reality. You might ask yourselves how such a fringe party of lunatics managed to win recent elections in Virginia, New Jersey and Massachusetts, three states that President Obama carried handily in 2008. But you probably won't. So please, rest comfortably in your sophisticated and nuanced alternate universe, at least until November, when the peasants with their pitchforks come swarming over the castle walls.
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lousgirl84
February 2, 2010 2:33 PM in reply to The Mad Hungarian
Two bad candidates ran in both Virginia and Massachussets that's why we lost. And in Mass, the big money guns came out in full force to support Brown. Neither of these is a mandate against Obama. What there is in fact out there is a deliberate attempt by the media to not report the truth instead of try to up their ratings. The fringe lunactics in any decent society with real journalists would be called out for who they are but they aren't. Big media controls the message and big media did not vote for Obama. Roger Ailes disdain for the truth was in full force this past Sunday.
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mcjam
February 2, 2010 5:57 PM
How did TPM overlook this poll result?
89% of Republicans believe in the Invisible Sky Wizard, 10% unsure, 1% secretly want to bugger Christopher Hitchens.
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fingerbo
February 2, 2010 11:04 PM
Republicans didn't used be be delusional idiots. Once upon a time, while I might have disagreed with them, I could have an intelligent debate with them. Now they're just insane and stupid. Really, really stupid. And lazy-minded. They gobble up whatever Fox News drizzles on them without question. They scream that it's their right to question Obama (and it is), but they do so from the perspective of Fantasyland. It's really shocking and dismaying. America really is just the most heartbreaking failed social experiment of all time.
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