Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) has added his name to a letter from a group of progressive Senators, calling for the public option to be included in the health care bill through the reconciliation process.
"At a time when there is deep skepticism and mistrust of the private insurance industry, when just last month a major health insurer in California announced it would raise its premiums by a whopping 39 percent in one fell swoop, the American people have made it clear that they want the option to buy their insurance through a Medicare-type, government-run public insurance plan," Sanders said in a press release.
Eight other Senators have signed the letter so far. Its original signatories Michael Bennet (D-CO), Sherrod Brown (D-OH), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY), and Jeff Merkley (D-OR), released the letter yesterday. Four others -- Al Franken (D-MN), John Kerry (D-MA), Patrick Leahy (D-VT), and Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) -- signed on earlier today.
mans_best_friend
February 17, 2010 4:21 PM
Tilting at windmills. It didn't have 50 votes three months ago. Who is going to have changed their minds?
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Overreach THIS!
February 17, 2010 6:21 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
Seems like a fair point.
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soupson52
February 17, 2010 6:39 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
Actually, it didn't have 60. That aside, those who choose to continue as "public servants" will most certainly consider it. (No repubs, of course.)
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loudprogressive
February 18, 2010 2:39 AM in reply to mans_best_friend
Actually it was 60 votes three months ago. If Reid puts it up he'll get 50. It would be political suicide to pass the highly unpopular senate mandates-for-all bill without it (think Massachusetts playing out all over again in countless House and Senate races in the fall).
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mcc
February 17, 2010 4:29 PM
This is a good idea but it's not going to happen as part of the House/Senate deal or the "health care symposium". It seems difficult to imagine how it happens this year.
From a strategy perspective, it seems like if we're going to create a public option through a standalone reconciliation bill then we first need to do the groundwork to make sure that a robust (medicare-linked) public option can pass the House. If the vote on H.R. 3962 is any indication, the robust public option doesn't have 50%+1 votes in the House right now.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
February 17, 2010 4:58 PM
Given the way these are rolling out (kind of like the way Obama rolled out superdelegates, as someone noted yesterday), I'm increasingly of the opinion that this is a leadership-approved kabuki performance. The fact that Sanders wasn't one of the original sponsors is the tell.
Leadership and the White House absolutely do not want the House-Senate compromise they'll be rolling out in advance of the summit to be the left-most option on the table in the debate. And they also want to force the Republicans to explain to the country why they're against it in the presence of people (i.e. not the media) who'll call bullshit on them when they start lying about it.
And as to the people who are signing on to the effort in these dribs and drabs, well, perhaps the horse will learn to sing.
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mcc
February 17, 2010 5:25 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
So far I've seen CREDO, MoveOn and PCCC/BoldProgressives.org promoting this. Of these only MoveOn is particularly aligned with or has ever shown signs of coordinating with the White House. At a minimum it seems unlikely PCCC or CREDO would agree to a deal where the White House says "go make a strong argument for your priorities, so we can discard them completely when we roll out our real plan next week". These groups are interested in passing their priorities, not in doing some kind of abstract framing exercise to help a Democratic Party that from their perspective isn't doing much in return.
The gradual roll-out you observe is probably more easily explained by the idea that this is being run by independent groups working by themselves, without the kind of assist from leadership that might allow you to get 20 signatories on the first day or whatever, signing on members one by one relying only on calls from members of their e-mail lists and blog word-of-mouth. The fact Sanders wasn't there on day one, if we really want to psychoanalyze it, probably just implies those particular groups had a contact in Gillibrand's office but not in Sanders's.
I don't see any evidence the leadership is thinking this way. If they wanted to present a further-left option than they're eventually going to go with, they could just, you know, present it. They could put the public option into the plan they bring to the summit with the intent of removing it during the "compromise" afterward, or leave it out of the plan but talk about it at the summit. Or they could just talk about it at all. If you're the Democratic leadership and your goal is to adjust the apparent boundaries of the debate such that the plan you expect to pass looks "centrist", then that's a case you need to be targeting at the mass media, at the public in general. A campaign that's primarily visible to people who read lefty blogs or are on MoveOn's email list doesn't serve that purpose. It can serve MoveOn/PCCC's purposes perfectly well-- if say those purposes are sending a message to the Democratic leadership, or re-introducing the public option to the debate in advance of a possible reconciliation bill being written-- but I don't think it serves the motives you're ascribing to the leadership.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
February 17, 2010 8:18 PM in reply to mcc
And I don't see any evidence that CREDO, MoveOn or PCCC/BoldProgressives.org have the ability to make a damn thing happen in the Senate that wouldn't have happened without them. So, I'm still going with my theory.
I don't question the sincerity of a single person who's signed on to the letter. I don't doubt that if they see a chance to get a public option pushed through a Senate fixit reconciliation bill, they'll fight for it with every thing they've got. But I also note the highly conspicuious absence of signals or statements from leadership or the White House--either pro or con on the effort.
That simply would not be happening if it were not by design. It would not be happening if there was not already some understanding or agreement or coordination or something in back of this because, well, they're Democrats. If this effort was connected to an actual policy fight between them, we'd be getting snarky comments from "sources close to" whoeever and leaks from anonymous staffers at a minimum and probably even on the record statements from both sides.
And, beyond that, I'm pretty damn sure the White House or leadership could and would have squelched this effort like a bug if they had not been at least willing to see it happen. (Anybody heard anything from Raul Grijalva lately?)
Willing to see it happen? Glad to see it happen? Actually actively involved in planning and orchestrating it? Don't know, but it's one of the three. What the White House and leadership's reasons for endorsing it/encouraging it/tolorating with uncharacteristically suppressed annoyance may be I leave as an exercise for the class. Fill in the blank with your ideological predelictions or personal biases may see fit. But no way these guys are just doing this in a vacuum with no coordination.
And no way in hell these senators are signing of on it like this, in little dribs and drabs rather than all at once unless they're working to a plan they previously agreed upon plan--agreed upon among themselves at a bare minimum if not leadership. One little clot gets together and does something then another clot says, "hey, good idea, first I'm hearing about it. Think I'll sign on too?" Nope, that's just not now things are done in the Senate.
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wbgonne
February 17, 2010 5:40 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Here's a suggestion. Why don't we all stop wasting time arguing about what is the most "left" position and start arguing about the merits? You are only rationalizing and defending stupidity.
The public option wins hand-down on the policy level. It is the ONLY mechanism that will truly control health care costs. Furthermore, even on a purely political level, the public option is a clear winner for Obama and the Democrats because it remains overwhelmingly popular despite being undermined and left-for-dead over and again.
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Indie Pro
February 17, 2010 5:52 PM in reply to wbgonne
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bluebell
February 17, 2010 5:58 PM in reply to wbgonne
Because the definition of bipartisan is excluding all options left of center.
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Xantar
February 17, 2010 6:29 PM in reply to wbgonne
I like your plan to get Lieberman to vote for the Public Option. Please tell me more.
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wbgonne
February 17, 2010 6:38 PM in reply to Xantar
Reconciliation. We don't need Lieberman. Now you tell me why the public option is bad policy or bad politics.
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Xantar
February 17, 2010 10:46 PM in reply to wbgonne
Reconciliation doesn't work that way. I'm not going to rehash the reasons why. If months of explanations by Ezra Klein and Booman, among others, haven't gotten this through to you, then I surely won't.
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loudprogressive
February 18, 2010 2:57 AM in reply to Xantar
Actually reconciliation works exactly that way.
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UncleMoney
February 17, 2010 7:00 PM in reply to wbgonne
Great point. The President started losing support among his faithful when
he didn't STRONGLY support the Public Option. He said so, and allowed Rahm
to push Baucus/Nelson plan. They have 50 votes, no doubt for it. Pass it
and the House will pass Senate bill, supports will see Democrats have at
least some political spine. Now, they'll get called Socialist, Marxist,
Communist...but hey, they're already being called that. So, what are they
scared of?
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
February 17, 2010 7:53 PM in reply to wbgonne
I'm not defending or rationalizing anything. I'm simply making a value-free, policy-free observation about what I think is going on. But, hey, nice kneejerk, there.
But perhaps you meant to respond to somebody up-thread instead, in which case, I withdraw the snide rejoinder.
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wbgonne
February 17, 2010 8:03 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
I recognize that you think the public option is good and should be enacted. But my point is that we all fall into the Tweetie Matthews' trap of received wisdom far too often. Labels like "left" and
"progressive" are counterproductive. We -- as anonymous blog commenters, i.e., citizens -- should simply say what we support and why. Let's talk about the merits. Let D.C. figure out to do it. Particularly since the current PO resurrection entails reconciliation and has been endorsed by John Kerry, who is about as mainstream and cautious a Dem Senator as you'll find (which is exactly why he never became president, incidentally).
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
February 17, 2010 8:31 PM in reply to wbgonne
Point taken. But I believe what we're watching here with this summit is an effort to orchestrate and manipulate public and MSM perception the likes of which we haven't seen since Obama was inauguarated. And the Republicans know it--that's why they're squealing like trapped piggies.
And in the context of an orchestrated effort to manipulate public opinion, and that context only, the public option is "left" and so is John Kerry.
To be clear, I'm not making a judgment about whether that's right, wrong or even factually correct. Just reverting back to my poli sci geek observational mode on it. Can't help it any more than Big Dog does when he gets this way.
I have no idea to what end they're doing this. But I do have to say that the amount of coordinated communications discipline we're (finally!) seeing from them as they put it together is heartening.
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wbgonne
February 17, 2010 10:13 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Yes, it's as if the White House has been asleep, politically-speaking, for the entire first year. I see very encouraging signs; I hope it isn't a mirage.
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loudprogressive
February 18, 2010 2:55 AM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
They can do all the shenanigans they want but I strongly doubt MoveOn, CREDO, and PCCC are putting the public option out knowing its just a chew toy for them to dangle before they throw it back in the trash. The public option is favored by a solid majority so its more "mainstream" than "left" as you suggest. Your analysis of the situation is....lacking.
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loudprogressive
February 18, 2010 2:48 AM in reply to wbgonne
First off the public option is not the left-most opinion. Medicare for all is.
As the original public option was written it was already handicapped and extremely limited in scope. It represented the absolute minimum they could do to make a program that cuts costs and introduces competition. That is why most progressives and independents turned on the Dem leadership when it was cut, because it sealed in stone that the Senate bill was going to nothing but a corporate bailout for the insurance industry that would be paid directly out of the public's pocket.
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wbgonne
February 18, 2010 8:37 AM in reply to loudprogressive
Agreed 100%. But we are where we are.
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soupson52
February 17, 2010 6:47 PM
BARRBBAAARRRRA! Calling Barbara Boxer. Come on. Go with what your people want. I know D Feinstein probably will not; she rarely does, but you usually go for the betterment of the common folk! We need you!
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tonnyb
February 17, 2010 8:04 PM in reply to soupson52
Boxer signed on!
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wbgonne
February 18, 2010 9:24 AM in reply to tonnyb
According to the folks running the effort, Feinstein signed on but Boxer has not.
http://whipcongress.com/?source=bp
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lousgirl84
February 18, 2010 9:42 AM in reply to tonnyb
Do you know when because I didn't see her name amongst those. I pla to call her today. I can't believe she won't get behind this - after alll if DiFi is behind it then we are on to something. And to soups...., Feinstein has signed on as hard as it is to believe!!!!
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