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Sen. Carper Won't Be Signing Public Option Letter


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We reported earlier that Sen. Tom Carper (D-DE) said he would be signing Sen. Michael Bennet's letter urging that a public option be passed through reconciliation.

His spokeswoman now tells us the senator misunderstood the question, thinking that we were referencing another proposed letter which promises House Democrats that fixes to the Senate bill would be passed via reconciliation.

It's a letter basically to shore up commitment from wary House Democrats that if they pass the Senate bill in its current form they won't be hosed.

"The senator just misunderstood your question, thinking you were talking about the proposed reconciliation letter," the spokeswoman said. "He does not support public option in reconciliation."

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February 23, 2010 6:00 PM   

The Dems can kiss off the 2010 and 2012 elections.

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February 23, 2010 6:04 PM   

It's Obama's fault that Carper and Rockefeller won't sign on for the public option through reconciliation.

He could make them do it like LBJ made Byrd, Russell, Gore, Ervin, et al vote for civil rights. Everybody knows LBJ put the fear of God into those guys and they got in line right away.

LMAO!

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February 23, 2010 6:23 PM    in reply to FreeRider

Hmm, I think I saw this comment somewhere else.

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February 23, 2010 6:30 PM    in reply to KdNicewanger

You get a cigar!

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February 23, 2010 6:43 PM    in reply to KdNicewanger

He's a troll. Just look at his antics in this thread.

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February 23, 2010 6:07 PM   


Polls: In Key States, Public Option Far More Popular Than Senate Plan

Okay, this should really give a boost to those arguing that Dems should pass the public option via reconciliation — for the specific reason that it will make the Senate health reform bill more popular.

A batch of state polls by the non-partisan Research 2000 shows that in multiple states represented by key Dem Senators who will have to decide whether to support reconciliation, the public option polls far better than the Senate bill does, often by lopsided margins.

Here’s a rundown, sent over by the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, which commissioned the polls:

* In Nevada, only 34% support the Senate bill, while 56% support the public option.

* In Illinois, only 37% support the Senate bill, while 68% support the public option.

* In Washington State, only 38% support the Senate bill, while 65% support the public option.

* In Missouri, only 33% support the Senate bill, while 57% support the public option.

* In Virginia, only 36% support the Senate bill, while 61% support the public option.

* In Iowa, only 35% support the Senate bill, while 62% support the public option.

*In Minnesota, only 35% support the Senate bill, while 62% support the public option.

* In Colorado, only 32% support the Senate bill, while 58% support the public option.

When the White House unveiled its new proposal to take to the summit, it did not include a public option, as expected. Obviously, including one would have made it easier for Republicans to argue that Dems aren’t making a good-faith effort to compromise, since the public option is the centerpiece of the dreaded “government takeover” that Republicans have warned against.

But if the summit yields no compromises, and Dems decide to forge ahead on their own and pass reform via reconciliation, including the public option at that point might make some political sense, if the above polls are to be believed.
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/senate-republicans/polls-in-key-states-public-option-far-more-popular-than-senate-plan/

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February 23, 2010 6:11 PM    in reply to loudprogressive

If the PO is so popular, why not try to pass it on its own instead of tying it to the current legislation?

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February 23, 2010 6:30 PM    in reply to mans_best_friend

That's exactly what it being proposed. An up or down standalone vote on the public option.

What's more, I think the PO proponents should push for a vote whether or not they have the votes to win in the end. We need them on the record so we can know who to reward and who to punish.

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February 23, 2010 6:39 PM    in reply to rwc

Opps! Just read the how outside groups started campaign story and realize I'm wrong about the standalone part. Sorry for my disinformation.

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February 23, 2010 6:41 PM    in reply to rwc

PS. I think the pro-PO senators should settle for a standalone vote. I still think it's important to do whether or not they win.

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February 23, 2010 6:39 PM    in reply to rwc

That is NOT what's being proposed.

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February 23, 2010 6:42 PM    in reply to FreeRider

Yea, I discovered that before seeing your post. My bad.

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February 23, 2010 11:23 PM    in reply to mans_best_friend

Because Democratic lawmakers are the BIGGEST bunch of wussy arses this nation has ever seen, especially this Congress.

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February 23, 2010 6:12 PM    in reply to loudprogressive

Keep up the good work! I'm sure you're persuading the Congress Critters since they read all the comments on TPM.

You should post your phone and email address so the folks on capitol hill will know how to reach you for the job offer. They need folks who can sway votes in Congress by posting meaningless poll results from other blogs over and over.

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February 23, 2010 6:18 PM    in reply to FreeRider

The other poll was a national poll. This is a more recent poll and breaks it down state-by state, you should click the link. Oh and you know us netroots wakos, we love getting each other on the same page.

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February 23, 2010 6:20 PM    in reply to FreeRider

FreeRide,

how do I know which polls are meaningless and which aren't?

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February 23, 2010 6:22 PM    in reply to JohnW1141

The one that isn't is the one of people who actually have a vote. That would be Congressmen and Senators. Unless HCR is up for a general referendum, polls like this don't mean diddly squat.

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February 23, 2010 6:29 PM    in reply to mans_best_friend

Except, of course, when it comes to election time.

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February 23, 2010 6:38 PM    in reply to loudprogressive

LoudMouthRegressive will be voting for Nader . . . AGAIN.

Oh, no!

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February 23, 2010 6:50 PM    in reply to FreeRider

The progressive base was built on the heels of Dean's campaign platform not Nader's. If you think Nader supporters are behind the public option push you need to look another look at that poll I just posted.

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February 23, 2010 7:05 PM    in reply to loudprogressive

Oh, so you'll be voting for Dean? Now's THAT guy knows how to get himself elected!

Yeeeeeeeee-haaaaaaaaa!

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February 23, 2010 6:31 PM    in reply to mans_best_friend

Ditto!

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February 23, 2010 6:36 PM    in reply to JohnW1141

Eight months ago, polls showed that 75% of Americans supported the public option but senators still refused to vote for it.

Don't you get it? They don't give a fuck what we want??? So all of this regurgitating of polls about what the voters like is a waste of time!

This push for the public option ain't going nowhere but the left will work itself into a lather for the next six weeks slobbering over it and when it goes down in flames, they'll be ready to slit their wrists at the disappointment.

But keep doing the same thing and hoping for a different result. It's the text book definition of insanity.

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February 23, 2010 6:49 PM    in reply to FreeRider

That may be true but that shouldn't stop progressives from applying pressure to get the best bill possible. Even if there is only a tiny chance of pressuring 50 senators into voting for it it is worth a try. And I'm not strictly a purist. If the push fails in the end I still think progressive Dems should swallow hard and pass the bill without it. Getting nothing is the worst result possible. We can still go back and make it better in the future. However, I would like to know who backs the PO so I can reward them with my support and what little money I have.

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February 23, 2010 6:56 PM    in reply to rwc

Getting nothing is not the worst result possible...being mandated to buy health insurance from lightly regulated insurance monopolies with no controls and no other options is the worst result possible. The Dems will and should lose their majority over it. The long-term demographics still trend Democrat so in a few election cycles we'll get another shot, but right now the party looks like its effectively committing political suicide.

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February 23, 2010 7:04 PM    in reply to rwc

There's nothing wrong with pushing for a Public Option. But progressives are getting themselves all worked up about it and actually think there's a chance.

Personally, I think it's a cruel prank. Every time we come to terms with the fact that the public option is gone, it comes up again and we get all excited thinking "OK. It's really gonna happen this time." Only to be devastated and angry and disheartened when it dies again.

How many times are you going to let them punk you?

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February 23, 2010 6:22 PM    in reply to FreeRider

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Ingredients:
1 big possum
½ cup olive oil
2 garlic cloves, minced
2 medium yellow onions, sliced
4 carrots, cut in thick slices
2 cups fresh or frozen corn
3 strips of thick-cut bacon diced
½ cup tomato juice
1 28 oz. can diced tomatoes
1 tablespoon cornstarch
2 Habanero peppers diced (wear gloves)
¼ cup white vinegar
10-12 drops Tabasco
salt and pepper to taste
6 medium potatoes, peeled and sliced


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February 23, 2010 6:40 PM    in reply to KdNicewanger

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February 23, 2010 6:41 PM   

I'd rather see the Dems include the Medicare buy in at 55 instead of the public option. An effective first step towards greater health care access for all, an easier sell to voters, and a more potent political weapon to use against the repugnicans. Make the difference between the parties more clear and force the repugs to run against Medicare.

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February 23, 2010 6:52 PM    in reply to 1TommyO

that's not a bad idea also. Push for standalone votes on all this, the PO, a tax on the wealthy like the House wants, etc.

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February 23, 2010 7:04 PM    in reply to 1TommyO

If we can lower the medicare buyin age, the system will be healthier in the long term. Younger people use less healthcare, but medicare premiums are a flat rate. It would subsidize older participants. Also, medigap rates are set by the government, so there can be no gouging. If it were used as a first step to single payer, it would be fantastic for the country and for future generations.

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