
Are Republicans really in danger of being selectively picked off by tea party candidates?
Moderate GOP candidates across the country are closely watching today's Republican primary for the U.S. Senate, where a centrist Rep. Mark Kirk is poised to beat out two conservatives who have the backing of the tea party movement.
And if Kirk pulls it out tonight as he's expected to, a sigh of relief will be heard from Lynchburg, Va. to Seattle.
The meme since the NY-23 kerfuffle has been that Republicans will face contested primaries in dozens of their races, and an emboldened tea party movement will give establishment candidates the boot and potentially hand easy wins to the Democrats.
The evidence had been adding up - with tea party candidates popping up in Pennsylvania and Texas and conservative groups targeting moderate Republicans in California and Florida.
But Kirk holds a steady lead in our TPMPolltracker average over two tea party-backed challengers Patrick Hughes and Judge Don Lowery despite all those efforts. Republicans in Washington expect him to emerge the nominee and shake off the tea party fears for the GOP nationwide.
"This blows a hole in that whole narrative," said Brian Walsh, a spokesman for the National Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee.
Walsh said the Democrats have enjoyed painting a picture of a fractured party pulled in different directions by tea party movements, but it's really about whether the candidate with the "R" after his or her name is victorious in November.
He also pointed out there are tough Democratic fights in Pennsylvania, Colorado and Ohio.
As we've reported, Kirk was once a barometer for the middle but has tacked to the right during the primary. Democrats are happy either way - if he loses, they think a tea partier would be easier to defeat and if he wins they will portray him as a flip-flopper in the general election.
With just one day left in the race, TPMDC tracked down tea party organizers in Illinois who all dismissed the polls as not capturing voters' anger or the lack of support Kirk holds downstate.
"If Mark Kirk wins that is okay, that just means we've got a lot more work to do," said Rhonda Linders, an activist with the Alton Tea Party near the Missouri border. "We'll just keep fighthing for the next one, which will be Sen. Dick Durbin in 2014."
Tea party organizer Ralph Sprovier, from a Chicago suburb, said Kirk may win in part because this election was so early in the year and there wasn't enough time to get organized.
"I don't think it's going to give us a true understanding of how powerful the tea parties are, until we get to August when Florida will be choosing between Charlie Crist and Marco Rubio, and when we will for sure have stopped the agenda in Washington."
Sprovier was referring to the Republican primary candidates for Senate, where an insurgent and more conservative Rubio is winning national attention and showing a lot of strength in the polls.
Since everyone in Illinois kept citing Crist-Rubio as the real tea party test, I also checked in with Robert Brown, chairman of the Nassau, Florida Republican Party. He said no one in the Sunshine State is paying attention to Illinois, and also said he hasn't seen much tea party influence on the ground yet.
"These races aren't nationalized," the chairman said.
Though there is little apparent tea party activity, Floridians said Sen. Jim DeMint's Senate Conservatives Fund has swayed voters by backing Rubio as the true conservative over Crist, who has been criticized for supporting President Obama.
Tea partiers say they are emboldened by the Massachusetts win - where national tea party organizations flooded the state with money and manpower for Republican Scott Brown - but Brown himself cautioned against drawing significance from his victory.
"You are making an assumption that the Tea Party movement was influential, and I have to respectfully disagree. It was everybody. I had a plurality," Brown (R-MA) said on ABC's "This Week" on Sunday.
Another detail comes in the form of a new poll Evan reported on yesterday:
Though the numbers would seem to bode well for the GOP, which is more closely aligned with Tea Party than the Democrats are, the poll could actually cause heartburn for Republicans hoping for big victories this fall. When lined up against a Democrat and a Republican on a generic congressional ballot, 8% said they'd pull the lever for a third, Tea Party candidate enough to give the Democrats the win in a three-way race. The Democrats won the hypothetical matchup 31-26-8, with 35% undecided.
In a twist, the Illinois tea partiers have hope that Adam Andrzejewski, their candidate for the Republican nomination for governor, could pull out a victory today. He was endorsed by conservative commentators Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and has gained in recent polling, though he still trails the other candidates.
calbearinillinois
February 2, 2010 9:20 AM
Kirk is a much scarier candidate in the general than either of the "true conservatives." Especially since the Dem candidates aren't exactly top shelf - Giannoulis is green and his family's bank will be a target, and Hoffman is barely known outside of the general. However, if TP folks just keep going for purity (ie ditch Kirk in the general in favor of a 3rd party) that and Kirk's recent flip flopping on things like cap and trade and generally otherwise trying to become a conservative should help a lot.
And Adam Andzrejewski winning the primary would be the best thing ever for a weak pair of Democratic candidates, since he has little money and little name recognition outside of hardcore conservatives and the Polish-American community.
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calbearinillinois
February 2, 2010 9:22 AM
Meant to say Hoffman is not known downstate or really outside of Chicago - and his only ads so far have been either attacks on Giannoulis or soft bio bits, so no information.
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concerned parent
February 2, 2010 9:23 AM
Illinois is not really a tea party state. To win the whole state you have to be moderate as a gop or forget about it. That doesn't mean he does not secretly supports the tea baggers, but if he wants to win he can't touch them with a 20' pole.
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jmichaeli
February 2, 2010 11:07 AM in reply to concerned parent
this is probably the most accurate take; to tell you the truth i don't remember seeing any ads or anything for these other two outside of the newspapers endorsing Kirk and why not these other two; we don't really even hear much about local Teabaggers around here;
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Powkat
February 2, 2010 11:12 AM in reply to concerned parent
Would the 20 foot Pole be Andrzejewski?
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WaitWut?
February 2, 2010 12:43 PM in reply to concerned parent
I miss my home state. We had our share of colorful politics, but there were few complete idiots, even amongst the GOP.
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zonk
February 2, 2010 1:11 PM in reply to concerned parent
Exactly.
The collar county Republicans control the GOP in Illinois. A teabagger truly doesn't stand a chance in the general election.
Illinois - especially the NE corner, where most of the votes are - will certainly split its ticket and vote GOP, but only for Jim Edgars, George Ryans, or Mark Kirk types. They just aren't people that will ignorantly shout about taxes -- they'll grouse about a certain bracket and a certain rate.
The Senate race was never in doubt on the GOP side, so far as I'm concerned. The Illinois GOP knows damn well that Kirk is the only candidate with a fighting chance in the general.
Of course, Kirk was also helped a lot by perennial gadfly Andy Martin... Maybe none of them approach the NO coroner's 'Frankenstein' ad, but Martin's (radio) commercials have really been over the top... claiming Kirk is a pedophile, and such. They've been so bad that some of the big Chicago stations -- WBBM780, WGN, etc -- have actually had hosts explain that they cannot legally reject the ads.
In a way, Martin has been Kirk's best friend in this campaign... people hear such over the top, nutso slash and burn, and they tend to buy more into Kirk's moderateness.
More interesting will be the Gov's race... You've got the teabagger Andzrejewski, but it's a crowded field... I think there are about 3 candidates that would have preferred to run as a "Jim Edgar Republican", but that's hard when one of them was actually Edgar's chief of staff.
So you get the jagoff McKenna (who I really, really hate) trying to position himself as the 'conservative outsider' (despite having run the state GOP) and attacking the moderateness of his opponents, Jim Ryan who seems like he's just woke up after an 8 year nap, and down-stater Brady who really is a conservative... and Kirk Dillard, who actually has a better than non-zero chance of getting my vote (probably not, I wouldn't call it impossible)... as well as sundry other wankers.
I think it's probably going to be Dillard (I hope it is), but I think a nutso teapartier has a better chance in the wide-open Gov's race than in the Senate.
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shortstop
February 2, 2010 9:31 AM
Kirk is not exactly a centrist. He's been tacking right for two years with some fairly obnoxious positions to show for it. However, he's not a tea partier, that's true.
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mikedrevguy
February 2, 2010 9:47 AM
A house divided cannot stand - plays in so many political dynamics, it seems.
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jeffgee
February 2, 2010 9:56 AM
Kirk may not be a Tea Partier, but he tried to get Sarah Palin's blessing, so he's not as moderate as he would seem. It was funny to see fringe candidate Andy Martin, lunatic gadfly winger extraordinaire, try to imply that Kirk is gay.
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rubyxyz
February 2, 2010 10:43 AM in reply to jeffgee
Andy Martin aka Anthony Martin-Trigona - the name may change but the crazy stays the same - has been the most entertaining part of the primaries so far. He musta thought the 'baggers are so nutty that he'd be their natural choice. If you can't bring in Alan Keyes to make an election more fun, Andy is your next best choice.
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zonk
February 2, 2010 1:13 PM in reply to jeffgee
Imply?
IIRC, I think one ad came right out and said it.
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rubyxyz
February 2, 2010 10:08 AM
Giannoulis is better-known statewide than Kirk. I don't get why his family's bank will be a target. It's a neighborhood bank that's neither folded nor been swallowed by a giant. I've lived in its vicinity for decades and am unaware of controversy over it.
I also don't get Bellantoni's characterization of Kirk as a centrist. Just because he's not a teabagger? He's not viewed as a centrist in my neck of the woods - he's anti-choice/gay/immigration. If motivated voters on the right see him as weak on fiscal matters, he's dead in the water. A PPP poll conducted Jan 22-25 puts Gianoulis ahead of Kirk 42-34 percent with 24 percent undecided.
Thanks to Blago, IL Dems are going to have a hard time staying in the governor's mansion. But we ain't ready to send another GOPer to the Senate.
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reino2
February 2, 2010 10:16 AM
I live in Kirk's district and have seen him speak. Why does anybody think he is moderate?
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felix
February 2, 2010 10:23 AM in reply to reino2
It's merely an illustration of how far right the Republican has become. Given its ultra-conservative orientation, I guess Kirk is a moderate. His ACU score is actually fairly low (around 50).
I don't live in Illinois, but if that state can elect Peter Fitzgerald in a pretty bad Republican year (1998), it can elect Mark Kirk in what will likely be very good Republican year.
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davcbr
February 2, 2010 11:24 AM in reply to reino2
A funny thing has happened to politics. "Moderate" no longer refers to where a person stands relative to the country's population. It is measured against other politicians.
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JEP07
February 2, 2010 2:40 PM in reply to davcbr
No doubt, the political scale is certainly different than the popular scale.
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benintn
February 2, 2010 10:35 AM
The biggest problem the Tea Party movement has is the same thing that Dennis Kucinich's supporters have. There just aren't enough of them to cover a national race. So, if it's just one special election (Scott Brown, Chris Christie), they're fine. And as we know from Brown's fundraising totals, it doesn't hurt to have a half-million from the banking industry to help you out...
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jana47
February 2, 2010 11:14 AM
It's fun to see them eating their own. America had better wake up these tea partiers are cynical and trying to take this country back 200 years and that would not sustain this country, we would fail and that's not good for the country
Other countries are laughing at this "beacon" fighting and scrambling since this is the most adverse action since electing an African American President
A new kind of Racism and the world is just watching
Because they know the U.S. is not living up to their ideals
most of the U.S.
It's embrassing very embrassing for those of us who every day live up to those ideals.
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Jeppy
February 2, 2010 12:11 PM
So what Charlie Crist needs is a second opponent with Tea Bagger credentials.
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rdb66
February 2, 2010 12:18 PM
This just isn't a very informed story. For one thing, a statewide race in Illinois, which has lots of old-fashioned Republicans, is VERY different from a House special election in a rural New York district or even a statewide primary in southern state like Florida. The tea-partiers are just going to be a LOT lower percentage of the Republican primary electorate in Illinois, at least at this point. They may get there eventually, but they aren't there now.
Second, Kirk WAS a moderate Republican (he voted for the House climate change bill last year), but the radicalization of the Republican party has moved him far to the right. That has probably prevented the Tea Partiers from getting much traction against him. It will be an interesting case study to see how the general election goes, to see if Kirk has to keep tacking right to keep the Republican base engaged, whether he moderates to go for independents and Dems, and whether his opponent can successfully hang his primary campaign around his neck.
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zonk
February 2, 2010 1:23 PM
In the end, the IL GOP was going to give Kirk an open shot at whatever he wanted -- senate or governor (I was mildly surprised he chose the Senate seat, to be honest).
IL isn't Florida, either... For one thing, the GOP bench is pretty weak here. Crist may have been governor, but I think Rubio was a state house speaker, no? There was no Rubio to Kirk's Crist here. For another, Florida is a lot more purple than Illinois... It seems FL will "tolerate" a moderate GOPer, but that's all IL will tolerate at a state level.
If Kirk had decided he wanted to run for governor instead, I guarantee you there would have been about 4 or 5 fewer viable candidates in that race (and 4 or 5 more in the Senate race).
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peaceweaver
February 2, 2010 1:43 PM
Kirk has voted with the GOP 88% of the time since he took his seat in the House. I don't think, given the character of the GOP's positions in the past 20 years, that his is a "moderate" record. He takes dictation from the House leadership more often than not.
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AnswerFrog
February 2, 2010 1:43 PM
Oh great! Thanks TPM, for spoiling another perfectly plausible glib media narrative.
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reino2
February 2, 2010 2:11 PM
Hughes and Lowery don't have Wikipedia pages. Kirk is beating the political equivalent of the Jersey Generals.
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brewmn61
February 2, 2010 3:28 PM in reply to reino2
I didn't know who was running against Kirk in the primary, and I'm a political junkie who lives in Illinois.
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JustAChicagoVoter
February 2, 2010 2:33 PM
Illinois is far too reasonable a place for a tea partier to get a statewide nomination. When Alan Keyes came here to run for senate he called Obama a communist and said Jesus wouldn't vote for him. I remember hearing a republican woman confront him at a campaign event on NPR who said something like "Mr. Keyes, I support you on the issues but you can't come to the State of Illinois and start calling people names like that." Those dogs just don't hunt here.
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reino2
February 2, 2010 10:46 PM
Here's the website of a Congressional candidate who just won his primary: http://walshforcongress.com/
He is not related to the good Joe Walsh.
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June 12, 2010 5:21 PM
Illinois - especially the NE corner, where most of the votes are - will certainly split its ticket and vote GOP, but only for Jim Edgars, George Ryans, or Mark Kirk types. They just aren't people that will ignorantly shout about taxes -- they'll grouse about a certain bracket and a certain rate.
The Senate race was never in doubt on the GOP side, so far as I'm concerned. The Illinois GOP knows damn well that Kirk is the only candidate with a fighting chance in the general.
Of course, Kirk was also helped a lot by perennial gadfly Andy Martin... Maybe none of them approach the NO coroner's 'Frankenstein' ad, but Martin's (radio) commercials have really been over the top... claiming Kirk is a pedophile, and such. They've been so bad that some of the big Chicago stations -- WBBM780, WGN, etc -- have actually had hosts explain that they cannot legally reject the ads.
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