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The Virginia Republican Party is out with a whopper Web video today mocking the incoming massive snowstorm as "global warming."

Showing images of cars stuck in giant snow banks, ominous weather reports and a ruler showing more than a foot of the white fluffy stuff, the Virginia GOP attempts to exploit the storm for political gain.

The ad, called "12 inches of Global Warming" is specifically targeting Reps. Rick Boucher (D-VA) and Tom Perriello (D-VA) in advance of the fall midterm elections.

Boucher and Perriello "think global warming is a serious problem for Virginia" the ad claims, "so serious" they voted to "kill jobs" by backing the House cap-and-trade bill this summer.

The Web ad, set to soothing music, asks Virginians to call Boucher and Periello "and tell them how much global warming you get this weekend. Maybe they'll come help you shovel."

The state party defends the ad as timed to the storms because "it might be a good time to remind them that Democrats Rick Boucher and Tom Perriello not only voted to make their heating bills far more expensive, but also to kill thousands of more jobs around the Commonwealth."

"It's going to be a cold weekend, but when folks in the 5th and 9th Congressional Districts are reminded of what their Representatives did to fight global warming, I'm pretty sure they'll warm right back up," Party Chairman Pat Mullins said.

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February 5, 2010 12:59 PM   

Republicans don't know the difference between the words "weather" and "climate".

But, what do you expect? They don't know the difference between Fox and News, either.

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February 5, 2010 1:22 PM    in reply to chimpale

Exactly.

But logic won't work on these people, and the dumbasses who will cheer this video, because they are impervious to it.

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February 5, 2010 3:34 PM    in reply to chimpale

Hate to confuse the muddled minds of the anti-science party, but let's introduce a new term that really does have some cause-and-effect relationship to this weekend's weather: i.e. El Nino

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February 5, 2010 4:14 PM    in reply to couser

Hey! English only for Republicans!

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February 6, 2010 1:50 AM    in reply to jeffgee

jeffgee for the win!

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February 6, 2010 4:01 AM    in reply to chimpale

In the beginning of the Mad Max films they show how the oil companies greed resulted in the destruction of the Earths Climate leaving survivors in a savage survival mode.
I wonder when Republicans refer to leaving things on the backs of our children if they can envision their own being held responsible for the sins of their fathers.
That would require a moment of clarity void of denial and very unlikely.
While the insurance companies calculate formulas to attempt suing the oil companies for storm damage the Republicans ignore our military preparation for climate refugees.
American conservative institutions like big insurance and our military say there is conclusive evidence and they are making major preparations yet the Republicans have conveniently dig their heads deeper in the sand.
We need to assess their liabilities and for once demand payment while they stand on their new out of the closet platform of denial

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February 6, 2010 10:58 AM    in reply to chimpale

I'm sure you also have a long history of correcting those people who blamed hurricane Katrina (and just about everything else) on global warming, right? You really can't have it both ways. The left started this hysteria rather than try to explain the idea rationally. You used scare tactics, or rather allowed your proxies in the media to do so without correcting them. Then you complain when the GOP uses a blizzard to rail against AGW. Is it really any worse than claiming Katrina was "caused" by global warming?

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February 6, 2010 8:56 PM    in reply to aliesterrand

It is true that blaming one weather event on climate change is completely getting the definition of climate wrong. Katrina was blamed on extremely high sea-surface temperatures (the same ones that are killing corals) and so many attributed it to global warming. But it's false to claim any one event is tied to a long term trend (though sea surface temperature rise IS happening and IS a long term trend).

So, yeah, claiming this snow storm refutes climate change is like saying Katrina proved global warming. But Katrina is over, and this is news happening now. So, why is it incorrect to say that the VA GOP stance is like saying, "Well, it's night, so the sun does not exist."

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February 7, 2010 12:45 PM    in reply to aliesterrand

The state of the science at that time was increased energy in the system (global warming) leads to increasingly harsh weather systems. Katrina was seen as a very likely outcome. Now the direct path of warmer gulf waters = bigger hurricanes has come under (some) doubt.

But the basic idea is still valid. And in fact, the current storms intensity is, to some (small) extent attributable to GW. Thus the irony of the ignorant commercial.

GW is not the cause of all weather. It's effects an add-on to the weather.

The problem is there are shades of grey and some unknowns and this causes the extreme right to implode. Always has, always will.

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February 7, 2010 4:11 PM    in reply to chimpale

Not only that, but in fact there's evidence that global warming actually CAUSES heavier snowfall, for example in the large area of the U.S. south of the Great Lakes--which can extend as far south as Virginia. From a 2003 study published in the Journal of Climate: "Records of air temperature, water temperature and lake ice suggest that the observed lake-effect snow increase during the twentieth century may be the result of warmer Great Lakes surface water and decreased ice cover, both of which are consistent with the historic upward trend in Northern Hemispheric temperatures due to global warming. Given projected increases in future global temperature, areas downwind of the Great Lakes may experience increased lake-effect snowfall for the foreseeable future." Basically, more open-water on the Great Lakes in winter leads (obviously) to more evaporated moisture in the atmosphere, leading to that increased moisture often falling back to Earth as snow.

I grew up in northeastern Ohio; the average yearly snowfall there is 55-60" annually. In the past ten years, the snowfall numbers are WAY higher, with the last three years being the snowiest winters ever recorded: 90.2" in 2006-7, 102.8" in 2007-8 and 86.5" in 2008-9. The growing consensus among climatologists is that this is mostly due to global warming effects.

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February 5, 2010 1:03 PM   

...they voted to "kill jobs" by backing the House cap-and-trade bill this summer.

And the Republicans will vote to kill jobs by voting to kill a jobs bill.

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February 5, 2010 1:10 PM   

When it comes to policy, Republicans are snake-oil salesmen. But ads like this one demonstrate that when it comes to salesmanship (i.e., politics), Republicans hit it out of the park (a 2009 Gallup Poll showed that less than half of Americans believe the global warming is caused by human activity).

The GOP should have ceased to exist after the Bush years, but they seem to be making a comeback in the polls. Why? They're always on offense. They're always in attack mode.

Why can't Dems take a page out of their playbook and attack, attack, attack? Dems have the benefit of having the facts on our side, and Dems have the ammo to keep Republicans on their heels until they fall on their asses. Instead, Dems desperately try to be liked by the GOP and their supporters. It's pathetic.

Attack God Dammit.

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February 5, 2010 2:24 PM    in reply to CJ

Republicans can do politics but they can't (won't) govern. Democrats can govern, but they can't do politics. Time to get down and dirty, guys. Paging Rep. Grayson.

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February 5, 2010 3:23 PM    in reply to CJ

Isn't there a saying "never let the facts get in the way of a good story"?

Democrats have facts on their side. Republicans have good stories on their side. Good stories trump facts most of the time...

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February 5, 2010 3:53 PM    in reply to CJ

There is a difference between being on offense and being offensive. It just seems to me that the Dem’s get those two things confused and hence are always on defense

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February 8, 2010 3:50 PM    in reply to CJ

Why can't Dems take a page out of their playbook and attack, attack, attack?

Because Democrats have a tendency to be constrained by the truth. (Not to mention that Democrats are made to pay a higher price for exaggeration than Republicans. Republicans can tell the most outrageous lies -- the "death panel" business, for example -- and people shrug. But let Al Gore get the facts slightly wrong about some school kid's desk, and suddenly he's Pinocchio with a two-foot-long nose.

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February 5, 2010 1:11 PM   

Republicans. Campaigning on the stupidity of the electorate for over a century.

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February 5, 2010 1:13 PM   

These kind of politics drive me crazy. One part of global warming is that the hots get hotter. BUT, it also means the colds get colder. So a big snow storm supports the concept of global warming and does not disprove it. GOT it?

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February 5, 2010 1:33 PM    in reply to 1audiofile

No we don't got it. That makes no sense whatsoever. And considering the UN fraud, Jones deceptions, and the general shakiness of the entire subject, you can forget any support from the middle.

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February 5, 2010 1:38 PM    in reply to shooter242

Re. Chimpale's comment about folks not knowing the difference between weather and climate: see above comment for confirmation.

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February 5, 2010 1:39 PM    in reply to shooter242

Yeah, but you are stupid. That is why you are a Republican.

If you weren't stupid, you couldn't possibly support the people who use and abuse you.

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February 5, 2010 2:29 PM    in reply to shooter242

It's so cute that you think science and public support have anything to do with each other.

I bet you'd have advocated excommmunicating Galileo, had you been alive back when he was alive.

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February 5, 2010 4:42 PM    in reply to shooter242

"That makes no sense whatsoever", in response to a clear, correct analysis, just so perfectly captures the empty-headed know-nothingness of today's "conservatives". (Previously, these people were referred to as "fools".) At the same time, the comment shuts off all hope for reasonable debate.

God, God, God, I am so sick of republicans! I read crap like this and I'm ready to scream. What is WRONG with you people??

Better stop now before I

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February 5, 2010 7:34 PM    in reply to OhioMan

I don't think you folks understand that the latest fraud findings render all the this sturm and drang irrelevant. In short, you folks aren't believable. To have any credibility at all you're going to have to come up with new evidence that is based on science.
And oh yeah, consensus is not science. Science requires testable hypotheses, and repeatable results.
Keep up the good work. Heh.

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February 5, 2010 9:11 PM    in reply to shooter242

Perhaps you should look at the raw data. 2009 looks to have been the warmest non-El Nino year on record, and 2010 will probably break the El Nino record. While we've been suffering in the snow, the Mediterranean, much of Africa and the Middle East, and Australia have all been burning up. Or try taking a look at the data from Antarctic ice cores that provide a climate transcript going back 800,000 years, kind of like an old tree ring, talking of which those are telling roughly the same story over the past 4,000 years. We're releasing Biblical quantities of CO2, hundreds of millions of years worth of fossil fuel accumulation in a few decades, and of course there are going to be unpleasant and dangerous consequences from that. We know from the ice cores and tree rings that 1) temperature almost exactly follows CO2 level and 2) in about 150 years we've added a third more CO2 to what was already there. We further know that a fair bit of this CO2 dissolves in the oceans, and when you mix enough CO2 with water, you get carbonic acid. Already, parts of the Arctic ocean are getting noticeably acidic, and at the rate they're getting acidic it raises near-term questions about whether fish and other marine life can survive. And why the Arctic first? CO2 dissolves fastest in cold water.

All the scummy academic backstabbing you have seen on display lately is between two rival cliques, one saying what I've just said, and another (apparently rather backstabbing group) that say it's even worse. We know of at least one previous extinction in geological history that appears to have been caused by very rapid natural CO2 release -- perhaps from a massive series of volcanic eruptions -- in which the fossil record indicates that about 70 percent of land species and 96 percent of marine life died off. We're in the process of apparently releasing enough CO2 from massive fossil fuel use to simulate it artificially. With billions of hungry mouths to feed, is that a risk we can afford to take?

And do two or three cheating, backstabbing scientists speak for a whole field? I think not. I think we need to worry more about the cheating, backstabbing scientists on Exxon Mobil's payroll, pushing the myth that there's no global warming problem.

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February 6, 2010 3:52 AM    in reply to decisivemoment

You are wasting your breath (your fingers?). This lying sack of shit is not interested in science or truth. He is so stupid that he thinks that just because the data was improperly analyzed in an infinitesimally small bit of the research that it invalidates the overwhelmingly vast amount of properly analyzed data that clearly states that the climate is changing. (Boy, that sentence sucked.)

Anyway, this guy is stupid and a liar. Don't bother explicating the science to him. Even if he could understand it he would refuse to see reality.

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February 5, 2010 9:18 PM    in reply to shooter242

I don't think you folks understand that the latest fraud findings render all the this sturm and drang irrelevant. In short, you folks aren't believable. To have any credibility at all you're going to have to come up with new evidence that is based on science.

What "fraud findings"? I don't think you understand that a few hacked e-mails, taken out of context at that, have absolutely no bearing on decades of climate research and the analysis and conclusions published for peer review--meaning scrutinized by other scientists. And scientists are not shy about pointing out errors in their peers' data, theories, and conclusions. Nothing gets rubber-stamped.

If you believe you have science on your side, publish your research and put it out there for peer review. If you don't care about having science on your side, or you choose not to use science when it doesn't support your gut feeling or preconceived notions, then just back away from the discussion, because you have no business engaging in it.

People who see today's weather in their little part of the country as having any significance in a discussion of climate trends for the entire planet are comparable to a North Dakotan declaring that the Earth is flat because that's what it looks like from his house. And, I wouldn't be surprised if most climate change deniers would insist that the Earth IS flat if they didn't know that it would be relatively quick and easy to prove them wrong. They know they can't win that one.

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February 5, 2010 11:20 PM    in reply to shooter242

And the testable theories and the evidence are posted on a regular basis in scientific journals all over the world. The data is there for anyone who wants to see it (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/05/tibet-warming-china) and it takes a real effort at cognitive dissonance to deny what is so plain if front of you.

As for the so-called "fraud" (assume you are referring to the pretzel distortions made about the emails at East Anglia), if you actually read the emails, you find that fraud is NOT occurring. E.g., the deniers make a big deal about someone finding a "trick" to adjust the temperatures, but they conveniently "forget" to mention that his "trick" was to substitute actual measured temperatures, where available, for temperatures calculated from tree rings. How this can be a problem with anyone is beyond me.

And the deniers got in a tizzy because when an article appeared in an Australian journal that blatantly misrepresented both the data and the theory, the real scientists decided to counteract the misinformation. Somehow this was being nefarious. If this is what passes for rationality in the Republican camp, Lord help us all.

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February 6, 2010 1:32 AM    in reply to shooter242

You must get a library card. You must then check out a book and read it. Start with something simple. After you get the hang of it, read everything you can about climate change. If you will do this then you will understand the processes of climate change and you will no longer write such pathetically stupid things. Go and open your mouth no more.

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February 5, 2010 7:05 PM    in reply to shooter242

So when it's 105 degrees in the summer, do you think global warming makes sense?

Why anyone cares what a party dominated by young-earth creationists (who don't care WHAT the glaciers say - anything that's more than 6000 years old is from SATAN), premillenialists (who cares about climate in 2200 - Jeebus is coming!) and fossil fuel apologists thinks about climate change is a mystery.

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February 6, 2010 10:47 AM    in reply to shooter242

If I thought you might listen, really listen, I might try to explain why global warming leads to erratic weather patterns as the climate is changed, but all of your comments that I read are aimed at scoring points and looking clever, so what the hell, stew in your own ignorance of client science, shooter.

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February 6, 2010 10:48 AM    in reply to rbe1

woops, climate science, damn keyboards !

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February 7, 2010 1:05 PM    in reply to shooter242

MIDDLE?! The middle completely understands global warming. No problem for the middle. The left understands global warming and even gets that the root causes are the large corporations who benefit from the destruction of the environment.

Now the radical right? This issue has two layers of logic (witness winter) and they are lost. But the radical right is really good at parroting what their corporate welfare queen masters tell them to say. So who is lost is the right. And those with weak minds. Same folks who like to claim they are in the "middle."

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February 5, 2010 1:19 PM   

Quoting Duhhbya: "It's hard work."

We really shouldn't expect stupid (intentionally ignorant) people to understand weather patterns and how they're influenced by the actions of billions of humans, the geology of this planet or the influence of suns and galaxies when their primary reference of time is based on election cycles of the House and Senate members.

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February 5, 2010 3:57 PM    in reply to draftedin68

Stupid should hurt

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February 5, 2010 1:24 PM   

This is brilliant. Climate change is fraudulent according to the recent news, worse is trying to increases taxes on the basis of junk science. Meanwhile record snowfalls are tangible.

Who are you going to believe, the UN or your own lying eyes? Heh.

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February 5, 2010 1:40 PM    in reply to shooter242

Fraudulent? You believe that?

Oh, wait. I forgot for a minute just how stupid you are.

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February 5, 2010 4:45 PM    in reply to farnsworth

Well, you know, the researchers did apply smoothing to the line graph for one single temperature station in Australia, so that invalidates the millions of hours of peer-reviewed research all other climatologists did. Because some fucking pundit like Rush Limbaugh and his "scienticians" says so.

While we're playing "Tar everybody with the same brush", did you know all Republicans like to shove dildos up their asses while wearing 2 layers of wetsuit? Obviously, if the crime of those 2 scientists condemns the entire climatology field, then that Falwell-alum who had the rubber kink reflects conservatives as well.

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February 6, 2010 1:36 AM    in reply to shooter242

The news has not said that climate change is fraudulent. Oh...wait....you mean FOX news. Poor deluded doggie.

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February 6, 2010 3:41 PM    in reply to shooter242

Why are all the trolls dogs? Chihuahua II, Rush Puppies.

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February 5, 2010 1:29 PM   

Shooter, you'll change your tune when it's hot in July. I mean, using your 'logic' and all, the heat will prove rampant global warming. But then by next winter, it will no longer be a problem 'cause it'll be cold.

Seriously ... are you snarking us with your incredibly stupid remarks or auditioning for The Onion?

Weeferdog

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February 5, 2010 1:36 PM    in reply to Weeferdog

Oh please, MY stupid remarks? You people are reacting like I've dissed your religion. Trying to speak Ex Cathedra isn't going to cut it. Meanwhile, I'm going to have to shovel what you're trying to deny.

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February 5, 2010 1:42 PM    in reply to shooter242

Climate change and a snowstorm are not mutually exclusive.

Not that I expect you to have the slightest clue as to why that is.

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February 5, 2010 2:07 PM    in reply to farnsworth

Remember...

A fitting definition of "stupid" is: intentionally ignorant.

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February 5, 2010 4:00 PM    in reply to draftedin68

Stupid should hurt. When folks go "intentionally ignorant" then there should be some shooting pain through their head.

Stupid should hurt.

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February 5, 2010 2:34 PM    in reply to shooter242

Since it's Super Bowl weekend, let's use a sports analogy. If I would have told you at the beginning of the season that the Indianapolis Colts were a great team, would you have said I was wrong as soon as 1 touchdown was scored against them? Probably not, but one score against them is insignificant in the overall trend of them going to the Super Bowl. And, decades from now when there are serious climate problems, this snow storm will be as insignificant as that 1 touchdown.
We get upset when people deny the existence of global warming because, unlike football, this actually matters. The more you deny it and convince others of that falsehood, the more nothing gets done, and we are all screwed.
The only reason you deny it (other than the brainwashers like Fox "News", Limbaugh, etc... tell you to) is that admitting it would actually make you change your life. But, it's obvious that most conservatives are too selfish to change anything about their own lives for the greater good. But, I guess your denial helps you sleep at night.

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February 5, 2010 2:39 PM    in reply to shooter242

Typical response of a dimwit that can't see or fathom anything beyond their own backyard. Why? Because it actually takes effort to collect information beyond your limited, little piece of the world and a degree of intelligence to comprehend it in even a limited way. Don't understand all the complex analysis of climate? Too many numbers, special symbols, Greek letters, and obscure scientific terms? NO PROBLEM. Understanding the world climate is easy, just take a peek out the window.

If everything were that easy, each and every person would be their own complex industrial global superpower and all the world's problems would have been a faint memory long ago. As it stands, the smart kids have to waste tremendous time and energy just convincing the mental midgets that there's a problem. And out come the numbers, logic, special symbols...

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February 5, 2010 2:57 PM    in reply to SchoolyT

Oh, and we all know that Virginia itself is a representative sample of the earth, complete with 2 poles, an equator, ozone hole, deserts, rain forests, volcano, at least two of every species, oceans and mountain ranges, etc. Everything we need to know about earth can be examined empirically while sipping a beverage on the back deck listening to EIB on AM.

Those damn scientist nerds are just spoiling the fun of exploring it for ourselves. In a few months, we'll have to get up out of our lawn chair and go mow that earth. Maybe once every week or so.

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February 8, 2010 3:58 PM    in reply to SchoolyT

While you're at it, please do not equate the Virginia GOP with the entire population of Virginia.

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February 5, 2010 11:34 PM    in reply to shooter242

Yes, your stupid remarks.

First of all, you are still on that fraud kick even though you know it was a manufactured sound bite with no basis in reality. Then you don't understand that in winter (Dec to Feb in the northern hemisphere which includes VA), it snows.

Eighth grade earth science should have taught you that when air is humid (approximately 100% relative humidity) and the temperature is below freezing, it will snow, not rain. You should know that in VA during the winter it gets below freezing, and when the air is carrying a lot of water, it will snow a lot. This only takes an eighth grade education to understand. If normal temperature is 25F and the temperature now is 27F, then it will still snow even if it is warmer than normal. And since the air is warmer, it will be carrying more water if it is coming off the ocean, hence more snow than usual.

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February 6, 2010 1:42 AM    in reply to shooter242

My religion remains undissed my pup. The people posted here are merely flabbergasted at your willfull ignorance. You really must read up on the subject so that you can cease exposing yourself to ridicule by those better educated than yourself.

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February 5, 2010 1:36 PM   

That's as stupid as me looking out the window and saying because the sun is shining, it means it will never rain.

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February 5, 2010 1:39 PM   

You know this is really sad. Really sad, you can't even begin to have a conversation with these people.

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February 5, 2010 1:53 PM   

I'm tired of Democrats coming into the Global Warming/Climate Change argument unarmed. Yes - you are right to trust real science (often mislabeled as "junk science" by Republicans, who learned their science from the Bible), but it doesn't help to counter Republican ignorance with scientific ignorance, even if your hypothesis is correct.

So - please take the time to educate yourself with this very simple response to Republican denier idiocy: "So (insert Republican's name here), you think snowfall is an indicator that Global Warming isn't happening? Any farmer in Iowa can tell you that it's almost always warmer when it's snowing than when the skies are clear. Didn't you ever go outside when it's snowing and realize that it's warmer than when the skies were clear a day earlier?

Furthermore, very cold temperatures can be WARMER than very-very cold temperatures. In Point Hope, Alaska, it's considered a desert because in the winter it's normally TOO COLD to snow. When the temperature RISES from -30 to -20, like it has in recent years, you see record snowfalls - and while most people who aren't Inupiaq Eskimos would think -20 is bitterly cold, if you actually lived in Point Hope you'd worry that -20 really isn't cold enough to sustain the sea ice you depend upon for the spring hunt. And you'd realize that the record snowfall was the result of WARMER TEMPERATURES."

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February 5, 2010 2:46 PM    in reply to tctundra

Well that may all be thoughtful and relevant .... BUT .... the ignorant assholes who are the target of your logic do not even care. If the resident asshole 'shooter the dog' is so wonderfully wordy in his posts yet cannot get it into his brain the difference between CLIMATE and WEATHER then I doubt any of the morons in Virginia will either.

My opinion is that the Earth's weather systems have run up against the mass stupidity of humans and the educated minority of us will not really be able to stop this slow motion disaster.

Oh just in case ...... THE DAY TO DAY TEMPERATURES WILL ALWAYS GO UP AND DOWN BUT THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURES YEAR BY YEAR WILL CONTINUE TO GO UP. That is why the glaciers all over the world are melting away fast. THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE IS GOING UP REALLY REALLY FAST!

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February 5, 2010 6:52 PM    in reply to tctundra

Good point, but they won't get it. I remember having to try to explain to people in Arizona how it can be "too cold to snow" in Chicago. None of them believed me.

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February 5, 2010 1:58 PM   

Polls show that whether you understand and believe the science on global warming and climate change is highly correlated with party identification.

"The increase in climate skepticism is driven largely by a shift within the GOP. Since its peak 3 1/2 years ago, belief that climate change is happening is down sharply among Republicans -- 76 to 54 percent -- and independents -- 86 to 71 percent. It dipped more modestly among Democrats, from 92 to 86 percent."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/25/politics/washingtonpost/main5773042.shtml

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February 5, 2010 2:57 PM    in reply to rmwarnick

That reminds me of the poll of viewers of the different news networks. A majority of the Fox viewers thought Saddam Hussein attacked NewYork on 911. That is why we needed to attack Iraq ...... a majority of Fox viewers also thought we FOUND WMD in Iraq and that made the war worth the cost ..... the viewers of PBS were the most well informed on all subjects.

Republican = Stupid

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February 5, 2010 1:58 PM   

I hope they are underestimating their own viewers who probably do understand the difference between a cold winter and global warming. There is a certain percentage of the locked in base that doesn't believe in science, believes the destruction of the planet is a great Biblical sign but don't most people have more intelligence than that?

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February 5, 2010 2:11 PM    in reply to StarShineSpeaks

No.

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February 5, 2010 2:01 PM   

One thing I don't think most people understand is when we talk about "global warming", even the disaster scenarios have us "warming" by only about one degree global mean temperature over the next hundred years. Our global weather system is this incredibly touchy machine where even very small changes can completely change the way it behaves in many ways. We're not worried about the temperature being on average one degree hotter by itself, we're worried about the machine changing in major ways while we're trying to live inside of it.

I think things would be clearer if we could convince the media to call it "climate change".

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February 5, 2010 2:01 PM   

With production value this cheap, (no engaging storyline, unadulterated Garage Band music track) and terrible graphics I almost suspect this is a Yes Men ad. Unwatchable and totally ineffective.

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February 5, 2010 2:02 PM   

This attack may be very effective against Rick Boucher. Kentucky Utilities, which serves parts of southwest Virginia, requested a 31% rate increase. The Virginia State Corporation Commission allowed them to start charging the new rates while the SCC studied the proposal. But other parts of the bill are tied to the base rate as well as taxes and fees. The first bills came in November and many people have seen their rates doubled and tripled, just as they were heading into winter. So many have changed to electric heat pumps, this is creating severe hardship. The local MEOC fuel fund for seniors is in crisis and some businesses are closing. Check the local papers in Bristol (Herald Courier) and www.coalfieds.com. This ad is not a laughing matter. It is a dagger in the heart of Boucher's campaign. The timing of the rate increase also seems utterly diabolical. Why couldn't they have done this in the spring when it would not create real misery and suffering.

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February 5, 2010 2:10 PM   

I think that many conservatives accept these pseudo-science pronouncements out of the simple desire to be happy. Ignorance is bliss.

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February 5, 2010 2:12 PM   

How tawdry. Not even an ominous voice-over. The Virginia GOP doesn't expect its demographic to actually READ television commercials, do they?

But it is nice of them to imply that they'll come help me shovel snow this weekend. Where's the number for that?

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February 5, 2010 2:14 PM   

How tawdry. Not even an ominous voice-over. The Virginia GOP doesn't expect its demographic to actually READ television commercials, do they?

But it is nice of them to imply that they'll come help me shovel snow this weekend. Where's the number for that?

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February 5, 2010 2:16 PM   

Hardly any snow in northern NH - but it's snowing in DC. Nothing odd about that, GOP. Not at all.

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February 8, 2010 4:10 PM    in reply to susanthe

I heard on the radio this morning that Vancouver is having its warmest winter on record, and they are having to truck in snow for the Olympics.

I imagine that is going to be repeated frequently during the Olympics coverage, so maybe that fact will help to counter the propaganda that the Virginia GOP is trying to catapult.

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February 5, 2010 2:19 PM   

1 snowstorm = no global warming
1 Larry Craig = all republicans are gay

Logic, no?

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February 5, 2010 2:30 PM    in reply to scottws

And, if you aren't gay, you're still afraid you might be.

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February 5, 2010 2:31 PM    in reply to scottws

+1

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February 5, 2010 2:25 PM   

I regret moving to Virginia more and more every day.

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February 5, 2010 3:40 PM    in reply to NoVA Dem

Here's a 'no shit from' Virginia Beach!

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February 8, 2010 4:12 PM    in reply to NoVA Dem

Hey, stick around. We need more folks like you to overcome the willful ignorance of conservative fundamentalists.

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February 5, 2010 2:39 PM   

I called them both. Had to leave a message at Tom Periello's office (my second in 2 days: 1st to support him for going with the Public Option, and now to reassure him that many of his constituents are not knuckle-dragging, science-ignorant dopes. Boucher's office didn't answer at all. They should have an answering machine at LEAST!

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February 5, 2010 10:42 PM    in reply to CVille Dem

"Boucher's office didn't answer at all. They should have an answering machine at LEAST!"

If you were a Republican, couldn't you just break in and fiddle with their PBX cabinet?

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February 5, 2010 2:39 PM   

And the earth is flat too, because if it weren't you'd fall off!

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February 5, 2010 2:50 PM   

So, when it is warmer than usual in some place, that's clear proof of Global Warming, but colder than normal temps are just weather? Typical heads we win tails you lose argument, and the people are not buying it. There is no evidence to support the claim that the climate is warming as a result of man's actions. In fact the 'evidence' has been now shown to be faked, and the climate 'scientists' involved in a conspiracy to commit fraud. Even accepting the theory, and accepting their claims of climate sensitivity, it would take over a hundred years to raise temps 1 degree. Considering that daily fluctuations are in tens of degrees, and seasonal fluctuations in the scores of degrees, this change could never be detected by a human, or by any plant/animal life. It is a problem only in the academic sense, but nothing to concern people in the real world.

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February 5, 2010 3:11 PM    in reply to theCleverBulldog

"There is no evidence to support the claim that the climate is warming as a result of man's actions"

??? How fucking stupid are you??? What stupid shit are you reading??? Why do your believe what you want to believe instead of what evidence is right before your eyes???

The vast majority of the evidence collected over the last 4 decades points exactly to the huge increase of CO2 causing a greenhouse effect and raising the average temperatures more and more each year. Where does all this extra CO2 come from? IT IS MAN MADE!!! You just got a BIG RED F in Science class ..... I hope it doesn't hurt your chances of getting into college someday.

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February 6, 2010 6:56 PM    in reply to hollywood

Good points but you are addressing The One and Only Chihuahua, who believes he is smarter than everyone on the planet, including Charles Keeling, the scientist who took the data on the CO2 buidup in the atmosphere called The Keeling Curve. (Wikipedia)

The Chihuahua claims that the data is bad because it was taken 'on top of a volcano' in Hawaii (which he probably heard on Limbaugh, Chihuahua is a Rush Puppy), although Chihuhua has not been able to point out any anomalies on the linked curve which represent CO2 from volcanic eruptions.

Keelings raw data is here-link. Note that the data show the 'breathing' of the Northern hemisphere as CO2 drops in summer, an effect that Keeling found on Mauna Loa in Hawaii due to its extreme isolation, he did not get as good data along the West Coast where he started his work.

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February 5, 2010 3:15 PM    in reply to theCleverBulldog

Either your snarkiness is at full volume or you have no clue what you are talking about.

If you raise the temperature of a relatively ginormous mass one degree, do you realize how much energy is involved?

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February 5, 2010 4:05 PM    in reply to theCleverBulldog

Proof positive that even a clever bulldog is really stupid.

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February 5, 2010 4:47 PM    in reply to theCleverBulldog

Please stop. Please stop now. Go away. This is a forum for smart people. Please leave us alone.

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February 5, 2010 4:58 PM    in reply to theCleverBulldog

Umm, you really shouldn't talk about what you don't understand. Much of the scientific evidence for climate change is found by pulling thousands of feet of ice cores from glaciers and polar ice around the world. By studying the layers, we can get a sure-fire temperature reading for 100s of thousands of years.

That's science. You opinion, is well, a full of shit opinion.

Also, who gives a fuck if climate change is man-made. If lightning strikes your house, do you ignore the fire because it's not "man-made"? If you know that lightning is going to strike your house at some point in the future, do you put a lightning rod on it, or do you wait for it to catch on fire? Thanks to moron anti-science conservatards, we're choosing the latter.

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February 5, 2010 5:41 PM    in reply to theCleverBulldog

Man, you're stupid.

"So, when it is warmer than usual in some place, that's clear proof of Global Warming, but colder than normal temps are just weather?"

No, that's just your misunderstanding of what's actually going on. Climate change models (which I'm sure you reject out of hand) predict exactly this sort of behavior from the climate; temperature extremes at both the low and high ends of the spectrum, precipitation extremes likewise (often in extremely isolated locales) and an increased incidence of singular and record-breaking weather events. The fact that conservative shills like Frank Luntz have been able to relabel climate change as "global warming" has numbed conservative brains and inoculated them against what scientists have been saying all along.

Climate change is real, and our weather is progressing more-or-less just like the scientific models say it will. The only point of scientific contention is how much of climate change is anthropogenic (caused by humans) and how much is natural in origin. But climate change *is* happening.


"Typical heads we win tails you lose argument, and the people are not buying it."

If scientists were actually *making* the argument you posit, you'd have a point. But they aren't, and the only point you've got is the one on top of your punkin' head.


"There is no evidence to support the claim that the climate is warming as a result of man's actions."

The climate *is* warming. Can you agree to that much?


In fact the 'evidence' has been now shown to be faked, and the climate 'scientists' involved in a conspiracy to commit fraud."

Both of these claims are untrue. There is absolutely no evidence that any fakery has been engaged in, and no conspiracy has been demonstrated, let alone proven. If you believe that you can substantiate your claims, I invite you to do so here where we can all see what you have to say.


"Even accepting the theory, and accepting their claims of climate sensitivity, it would take over a hundred years to raise temps 1 degree."

To which specific theory do you refer, please?


"Considering that daily fluctuations are in tens of degrees, and seasonal fluctuations in the scores of degrees, this change could never be detected by a human, or by any plant/animal life. It is a problem only in the academic sense, but nothing to concern people in the real world."

And here we see the conservative counterclaim, though only through a glass, darkly. Conservative deniers of climate change believe that "global warming" means that it must be warmer EVERY DAY in EVERY PLACE on Earth, or else global warming cannot possibly be occurring. But they don't want you to know that they think that.

Want proof that's what they think? Ask them point-blank. They will never answer the question directly. They'll deflect, avoid, dismiss -- anything to keep from giving you a straight answer. Never mind that if temperatures increased in that manner, human life wouldn't last long on this planet -- global warming means (to them) that it must be warmer every day in every place on Earth. If it isn't, then science is lying to them.

See how easy it is to be an ignorant partisan when you don't have to think or analyze scientific data?

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February 6, 2010 6:08 AM    in reply to Signalman

At what point do we just give up on even discussing science with science deniers? We'll never change their minds (only Glenn Beck can do that), and they clearly resist any form of education, whether here or in a school (unless it's one of those phony "Christian" schools).

Instead, let's try discussing the Holocaust with a bunch of Holocaust deniers, or let's discuss the 1969 moon landing with the wackos who say it never happened.

Why bother? These people are truly lost.

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February 5, 2010 9:29 PM    in reply to theCleverBulldog

No. Add up every point on the planet. Average it out. Then take a look at where we are. Worldwide this has been one of the warmest Januarys on record. For every chill in Chicago or winter storm in Washington, it has been "take your winter and raise you one" with wildfires in Western Australia, drought in Darfur and torrid heat in Turkey.

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February 5, 2010 11:59 PM    in reply to theCleverBulldog

"when it is warmer than usual in some place, that's clear proof of Global Warming, but colder than normal temps are just weather?"

When you average them together and the number is higher each decade, then it is clear proof of global warming. Denying this is clear proof of irrationality.

"There is no evidence to support the claim that the climate is warming as a result of man's actions."

The evidence is overwhelming. CO2 and other greenhouse gases, primarily CH4, are being produced by human actions. That can be measured, and the concentrations in the atmosphere correlate with what humans are producing. Rising temperatures are shown to be related to the heat that is not reflected into space because of combined greenhouse gases. Evidence doesn't get any clearer than that.

"In fact the 'evidence' has been now shown to be faked, and the climate 'scientists' involved in a conspiracy to commit fraud."

This is a totally false deliberate distortion promulgated by the denialists. Actually reading all the emails that are claimed to show fraud demonstrates that nothing of the kind occurred. It can only be "shown" if you do serious editing similar to what O'Reilly does to his interviews.

"Even accepting the theory, and accepting their claims of climate sensitivity, it would take over a hundred years to raise temps 1 degree. "

Temperatures have already risen more than that and are rising even faster than previously. Furthermore, your implication that small rises don't matter shows that you have no understanding at all of how the world works. It only takes a little bit to totally disrupt a stable system. May I suggest that you change the pH of your blood by oh, say, 0.2 pH units, not much, but enough to kill you?

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February 6, 2010 12:50 AM    in reply to theCleverBulldog

Profoundly dumb comment, sir. I worked for the US Navy on a project to determine the impact of man-caused warming effects on wind patterns and sea currents in 1972! My sense was that the Pentagon was already treating it as a given at the time. Moreover, climate denial, increasingly, is a specifically American pursuit. Higher-latitude countries (Scadinavia, Russia, Canada, Chile)see the effects more readily due to polar amplification effects. To some of the responders to theClev, I would point out that Republicans are not all stupid, I am related by blood to some very smart and successful ones myself. Rather the get-mine ideology is more amenable to satisfying the needs of a narrow-interest group (say the top 1% of wealth, EADS, or big Pharma) and transferring the costs onto the rest of us or the unborn). Afpak and Iraq are unfunded liabilities as is the prescription drug benefit package. Some defense contractors are subsidized in ways that would make a corn farmer blush. Read Mancur Olson's The Rise and Decline of Nations (1982) and then get back to us on what you think this climate debate is really about.

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February 5, 2010 2:52 PM   

I suppose by their logic if a clock is broken, the time doesn't change.

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February 5, 2010 4:19 PM    in reply to georgecs

but it's correct twice a day and that's good enough.

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February 5, 2010 2:55 PM   

Hot air from Al Gore and other methane-mouth "climate change" loonies is major cause of global warming. Meanwhile, freeze your butts off, and pay those heating bills.

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February 5, 2010 4:07 PM    in reply to Sailormarlowe

Quiet fool! Grown-ups are talking!

Go masturbate to you posters of military positions!

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February 5, 2010 6:59 PM    in reply to farnsworth

You almost made me choke on an M&M...a peanut one.

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February 5, 2010 4:17 PM    in reply to Sailormarlowe

Stick with your Palin worship. Stay with what you know. You're out of your depth on this.

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February 5, 2010 9:33 PM    in reply to Sailormarlowe

Yeah, and think of the air conditioning bill of the poor SOB in Australia right now -- if that is, a wildfire hasn't burned his house yet. You wouldn't get worthwhile weather readings if the only weather station was in your back yard, so why should the weather in your back yard explain the weather for the whole world?

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February 6, 2010 1:54 AM    in reply to Sailormarlowe

Its important to note that you associate the climate change issue with Al Gore. You dislike Al Gore because he is a Democrat. You cannot allow yourself to give credence to anything a Democrat might say. This is what causes you to be in denial about climate change.

Go and talk no more.

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February 7, 2010 1:26 PM    in reply to Sailormarlowe

So the United States is 1.5% of the total area of the earth. When Northern Virginia has a snow storm, that is about 1% of 1.5% of the area of the earth.

Now lets get the other 99.9% involved and we can determine if this DAY is a warmer or cooler day. And it still won't matter, as the issue is climate change, not weather change.

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February 5, 2010 3:33 PM   

It's snowing in D.C. so does that mean hell is freezing over??

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February 5, 2010 5:05 PM   

braindead

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February 5, 2010 5:10 PM   

The right wing know-nothings in this country are demonstrating a textbook case of cognitive dissonance. Again. Still.

Their hate-all-things-government (except when their government wants to drop bombs on brown people) ideology leaves no room for the sort of collective action required to solve problems the scale of global warming. They have no solutions to problems like this, ergo the problem cannot possibly exist. They exhibit classic denial in the face of any and all facts that contradict their belief system and will grasp at any absurdity presented that buttresses their fantasies. Modern conservatism is more a psychological disorder than a political point of view.

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February 5, 2010 6:05 PM    in reply to Wahrheit

The problem is that we have a system of government that takes it for granted that both parties are sane and want good things for the country.

The "I'm too willfully dumb to trust my own 2 eyes" Republicans are neither.

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February 5, 2010 10:16 PM    in reply to Wahrheit

"Modern conservatism is more a psychological disorder than a political point of view."

Wow that about sums it up! I have long thought that you could give some basic psychological test to find out which persons were worst afflicted with this particular disorder and get some therapy to counter it. Now with the fate of the Earth hanging in the balance I really really think it is time to quit being polite about climate deniers and religious fundamentalists. They just do not know how to REASON and attach reasoning to FACTS. They are emotional contrarians at every opportunity. Get your average Fox viewer or Rush listener into a lab and find what makes them so god damned ignorant. The future of the world depends on it!

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February 6, 2010 12:10 AM    in reply to hollywood

Actually there are psychological studies showing that conservatives' and progressives' minds work differently. For instance, there is a study showing that conservatives tend to have nightmares where they are being physically assaulted while progressives tend to have ordinary dreams.

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February 5, 2010 5:42 PM    in reply to mattstan

Is this website supposed to be snark? Or is it evidence that way too many people don't get it?

To repeat: Winter and snowstorms are not evidence that the climate is not changing. Climate and weather are not the same thing.

If you can't understand that, you lack the wit to discuss this topic, and need to shut up.

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February 6, 2010 8:31 AM    in reply to farnsworth

Fagsworth: If global warming is fact, why you wear topcoat on kiddie playgrounds, even in summer?

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February 6, 2010 11:08 AM    in reply to Sailormarlowe

Don't have an argument, so you make stuff up.

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February 5, 2010 11:06 PM   

Someone needs to explain to the Republicans that January is winter in the northern hemisphere (that's us) and in winter it snows. All that snow requires is humid air and temperatures less than 32 F. The Republicans have a knack for being incredibly stupid and unable to understand reality.

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February 6, 2010 8:30 AM   

In addition to not knowing the difference between weather and climate, I'm sure these numbnuts also have never heard of El Nino or checked a reputable meteorological blog or website (including NOAA) to understand the weather changes this season. But hey, for someone who believes that life has existed for only 6000 years (or is that the age of the earth?), what else do you expect? After all, humans share over half their genes with (wait for it!) chickens...

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February 6, 2010 10:48 AM   

So what did the Virginia GOP have to say a few weeks ago when it was in the 70's around Washington?

http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog

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February 6, 2010 1:07 PM   

There they go again...spouting more voodoo science. Go Republicans.

"Water, it turns out, is reluctant to freeze. Ice crystals prefer something to form on — a particle of dust will work, or a rough surface. The scientific team found that dust-free water on a smooth, clean surface will drop well below 32 Fahrenheit (zero Celsius) before it freezes. In this state, the water is called "supercooled." But once one crystal does form, the supercooled water will freeze rock-solid in an instant."--.Igor Lubomirsky of Israel's Weizmann Institute of Science.

This was actually the kind of science that was taught in public high schools back in the 1960's (my only frame of reference) before the Republicans and the Christian right began to de-fund the public education system and agitate for creationism and religion based science. Excessive humidity generated by high levels of CO2 in the atmosphere coupled with high levels of particulate pollution such as that spewed into the atmosphere from Tennessee and Ohio River Valley fossil fuel generating plants have been responsible for the increasing severity of northern mid-west and eastern winter weather.

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February 6, 2010 1:13 PM   

There they go again...spouting more voodoo science. Go Republicans.

"Water, it turns out, is reluctant to freeze. Ice crystals prefer something to form on — a particle of dust will work, or a rough surface. The scientific team found that dust-free water on a smooth, clean surface will drop well below 32 Fahrenheit (zero Celsius) before it freezes. In this state, the water is called "supercooled." But once one crystal does form, the supercooled water will freeze rock-solid in an instant."--.Igor Lubomirsky of Israel's Weizmann Institute of Science.

This was actually the kind of science that was taught in public high schools back in the 1960's (my only frame of reference) before the Republicans and the Christian right began to de-fund the public education system and agitate for creationism and religion based science. Excessive humidity generated by high levels of CO2 in the atmosphere coupled with high levels of particulate pollution such as that spewed into the atmosphere from Tennessee and Ohio River Valley fossil fuel generating plants have been responsible for the increasing severity of northern mid-west and eastern winter weather.

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February 7, 2010 2:12 PM   

Here's the thing that always gets me:

What is the most we have to lose by acting as if climate change exists, taking steps to curtail it, and finding out we were wrong? Money.

On the other hand, what is the most we have to lose by acting as if climate change doesn't exist, doing nothing, and finding out we were wrong? Earth

So, the essential question is: Which is most important to you - money or Earth?

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February 8, 2010 4:25 PM    in reply to ronik

Well, see, the answer to that that you are going to get from the deniers is that it depends on whose money and whose part of the Earth.

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February 7, 2010 4:50 PM   

Climate change deniers have a lot in common with the likes of Bill Oreilly. They aren't fact based, have a hidden agenda & spew their "opinion" in hope that the uneducated will sheepishly follow.

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June 12, 2010 5:18 PM   

Oh, and we all know that Virginia itself is a representative sample of the earth, complete with 2 poles, an equator, ozone hole, deserts, rain forests, volcano, at least two of every species, oceans and mountain ranges, etc. Everything we need to know about earth can be examined empirically while sipping a beverage on the back deck listening to EIB on AM.

Those damn scientist nerds are just spoiling the fun of exploring it for ourselves. In a few months, we'll have to get up out of our lawn chair and go mow that earth. Maybe once every week or so.

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