Against It Before They Were For It: Who Will Flip From 'No' To 'Yes' On Health Care?

Give the guy a break. In addition, there were progressives who voted against the House bill (unless they were critically needed) because of Stupak, and they will likely vote for the Senate bill.

"Jason Altmire (D-PA), has said positive things about the Senate bill."

Yeah, he also said this:
"I just don’t know where they get the votes in the House."
and this:
"It’s a huge challenge because ... the people who voted yes would love a second bite at the apple to vote no this time because they went home and had an unpleasant experience as a result of their ‘yes’ vote. I don’t know if there is anybody who voted no that regrets it.”

Altmire also indicated that he wouldn't support the bill if it didn't include the Stupak language.

According to another article in Politico, John Tanner has already privatetly told at least one other Democrat that there is no way in hell he is switching his vote.

As for the AP survey, those nine people didn't necessarily say they were undecided. The article indicated all that had to happen for those individuals to get on that list was a non-response from the Rep. or his spokesperson. Not answering is not the same as saying you are undecided.

The most interesting part of this whole saga will be watching the reaction of the so-called progressives once it becomes obvious the public option won't be included. Spineless blowhards like Raul Grijalva went on and on for weeks about how they couldn't support a bill without a public option. I imagine we will find out soon that they were talking out of their ass. Kucinich, it seems, is the only one who is actually willing to put his vote where his mouth is.

Really, all you libs pretending that a public option would be instantaneous is really fucking stupid. Would even a Medicare for all be up and running last year? Fuck no! You are talking about over a hundred million people trying to force their way into a program that is already being targeted for making fundamental changes.

Just think about how long and how much effort it took to even plan the Post Office System. Or the interstate highway. You are talking at least that long.

So you would vote for the bill because it doesn't have the MOST POPULAR PROVISION in it? Does that make any fucking sense?

What about Dennis Kucinich? He voted against the original bill. Is he going to place ideology over health care reform?

The number of weak-kneed, no backbone, milk toast Democrats (progressive or NOT)in the House/Senate gives me great concern BUT the alternative of allowing the morally bankrupt, mean-spirited, heartless, trolls of the Rethuglican Militia to regain control of the agenda in our government would surely be an exercise in terror. I have no suicidal tendencies and hope my fellow Democrats of every stripe join me in urging a massive turnout in Nov. The future of our country depends on it.

i just have one question. Since health care reform has about an 85% approval rating among Democrats, if you are a Democratic member of the House, and you vote to kill health care reform, who do you expect to vote for you in November? Republicans? Not too likely. And when you get a primary opponent who get millions from progressives, are the coporations going to match that or are they going to go with a more reliable Republican?