
Rep. Michael Arcuri (D-NY) voted for House health care legislation in November. But he says he's almost certain to vote no on the Senate bill when it comes up for a vote in the House later this month, according to a report in the Utica Observer-Dispatch.
"There would have to be some dramatic changes in it for me to change my position," Arcuri said.
Back in November, he was saying somewhat different things. "There are some parts of the Senate bill I like better, and some parts of this bill I like better than the Senate version. I look at this as piece of the whole - this is the first step in a process."
Arcuri says his opposition is based on three main concerns: That the bill is too sweeping and comprehensive; that Democrats plan to use reconciliation to amend it in various ways; and, substantively, that it calls for taxes on health benefits.
If he holds firm, that's another vote House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will have to switch from no to yes.
Arcuri is currently serving his second term in Congress. In 2008 he won re-election by 52-48 percent over Republican challenger Richard Hanna, which was actually a swing against him from his first election in 2006 which he won 54-46. President Barack Obama carried the district 50-48 in 2008. It had previously gone to President George W. Bush by 52-46 in 2004.
mans_best_friend
March 3, 2010 10:35 AM
Let's look at these objections:
1. The bill is too sweeping and comprehensive. More sweeping and comprehensive than the bill you voted for in November? Fail.
2. Democrats plan to use reconciliation to amend it in various ways. WTF does that have to do with anything? Fail.
3. It calls for taxes on health benefits. The amendments that you don't want to use reconciliation to pass will lower the taxes on health benefits to what they were in the bill you voted for in November. Fail.
Michael Arcuri - who are you crapping?
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Barbara B
March 12, 2010 8:46 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
I'm in his district, worked on his phonebanks in 2006, worked for Obama in Pennsylvania in 2008. I suspect a lot of people did. His district includes part of Tompkins County surrounding Ithaca - sometimes known as 10 square miles surrounded by reality. So he does have a liberal base in addition to Utica - which I know nothing about. His office sent reps Wednesday to talk to constituents- several of us went - and I at least was told that the Utica paper's article was inaccurate, and that his reason for voting "no" was the lack of a public option. I of course said sure we all want a public option but for now we'll take what we can get, and work on adding the public option later. The staff member was very nice and agreed. One woman there, however, harangued (sp?) the staff member for at least 15 minutes about how she didn't want to pay for other people's health care.
I think he's vulnerable to pressure, and I do think he'd rather vote yes.
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Barbara B
March 12, 2010 8:49 PM in reply to Barbara B
Also, the staff member said Wednesday that he was meeting that day with Obama and Rahm - they're working on him too. He can be switched to yes.
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AhTrini1
March 3, 2010 10:44 AM
S-P-I-N-E-L-E-S-S!
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Cal Gal
March 3, 2010 1:10 PM in reply to AhTrini1
He's trying to save his phony-baloney job, just like all the Dem "no" votes. What's the opposite of "statesman?"
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Docb
March 3, 2010 2:02 PM in reply to AhTrini1
So call him today -tomorrow- daily! 1.800.828.0498 or 1.866.220.0044!
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Moose49
March 3, 2010 10:48 AM
Chicken shit dim-wit. What makes this moron think he's going to win reelection on a platform of "I was for it before I was against it?" Wouldn't it be better to be able to say, "I'm willing to risk my career in order to help 31 million Americans get health insurance, save tens of millions of Americans from medical bankruptcy, and keep skyrocketing medical costs from destroying our economy?"
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masanf
March 3, 2010 11:06 AM in reply to Moose49
Oh please, can the platitudes and bullshit. The reason the guy is switching his vote is because his constituents don't want it. He is there to represent his district, not a bunch of far left blog commenters and liberal activists.
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Powkat
March 3, 2010 11:17 AM in reply to masanf
And good morning to you, too.
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Forrest
March 3, 2010 11:26 AM in reply to masanf
If every member of congress voted their constituents' wishes on this, health care would have passed last spring with a public option.
The reason this guy is switching his vote is because opponents of the bill have had a year now to lie about it, and they've convinced people it will be the end of our democracy.
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Moose49
March 3, 2010 11:32 AM in reply to masanf
Right, because the voters want to elect wimps who put their finger to the wind and vote according to what the most recent poll numbers say, rather than because they have any values or principles.
Besides, who's to say what his constituents want? Polling shows the bill is unpopular, largely because of the bullshit process it went through, but that people support most of its individual components (and would support it more with a public option, thank you). Once the bill's enacted, you can make a strong case for it and maybe even gain votes on balance. Vote against it and you've got bupkas.
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benjoya
March 3, 2010 11:50 AM in reply to masanf
i wonder if the 10k from the American Healthcare Association has anything to do with it?
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00027890&cycle=2010
OTOH, Masanf, our resident Utica/Syracuse expert, says it's Arcuri's constituents that have changed his mind, so that's probably the real reason. Thanks for the enlightenment, professor!
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benjoya
March 3, 2010 11:59 AM in reply to benjoya
Syracuse. It's a city in upstate New York, Masanf.
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Frex
March 3, 2010 1:13 PM in reply to masanf
Let's assume he's in very conservative district, but even in the most conservative districts represented by Dems there will be health number of liberals. What liberals in these districts need to impress on these cowards is that on Nov 2 the constituent will be going to the polls and voting for candidates they support, but they will not be voting for the cowardly representative. Let them know that if you support HCR and they don't vote for this bill you will do everything in your power to ensure they are not re-elected.
Single issue voters have served the Repugs well (gun rights & anti abortion), maybe Dems need a single issue or two also.
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Indie Pro
March 3, 2010 10:50 AM
typical conservative DLC democrat. say one thing, like supporting a public option and then later change due to fear of GOP talking points and backroom deals with industry.
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Delguy
March 3, 2010 10:57 AM
I been a Democrat my whole life and I used to live near your district in Syracuse. If I still lived there, I would work like hell for your defeat. Harry Truman said it best. "Given the choice of a real Republican and a Democrat who acts like one,the voters will choose the real one every time." We don't nedd any DINO'S in upstate New York.
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attymatty
March 3, 2010 11:01 AM
So now its time to make this is his last term. Part of the benefit of a large majority is party discipline, and every democratic donor and voter should simply pledge no money and promise to vote for the other guy-- in the primary and general. He does not get re-elected without democratic votes. He apparently thinks NY Dems are spineless enough not to retire him. Sometimes, a republican who needs democrat votes is better than a democrat who thinks he doesn't.
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mans_best_friend
March 3, 2010 11:56 AM in reply to attymatty
There's a name for political parties that try to run out every member who doesn't hew to the party line. That name is "minority party". You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.
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Cal Gal
March 3, 2010 1:13 PM in reply to attymatty
I'd like to see some fundraising strictly on the health care bill ... a Pro-HCR PAC ... that will pledge to give money to Dems AFTER they vote FOR the package. And will give money to primary opponents AFTER they vote against it.
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masanf
March 3, 2010 11:04 AM
Yet another nail in the coffin of Obamacare. There are going to be many more people like this guy in the coming weeks who are going to switch from yes to no.
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loria
March 3, 2010 12:12 PM in reply to masanf
"Obamacare"? What is that?
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Cal Gal
March 3, 2010 1:14 PM in reply to masanf
ReThug Talking Point. Faux News rinsed and repeated.
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barbara63
March 3, 2010 11:04 AM
I wonder if he's feeling like he needs some White House attention.
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FlownOver
March 3, 2010 11:13 AM
Dick.
Is there a Bill Halter somewhere in this slug's district? I'd be happy to send a few bucks that way.
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Cornelius
March 3, 2010 11:17 AM
Nice smile.
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exregis
March 3, 2010 11:22 AM
What we need now are brave representatives like NY Assemblyman George Michaels, from upstate, who voted in favor of legalizing abortion in 1970 (changing his vote to break a tie). Here's what he said on the floor of the Assembly:
Of course Michaels was right. He lost the next election. But he found his core, which is far more important. What I hate most is the fucking hypocrisy, saying, Elect me so I can serve the people but acting so as to serve his own political survival.
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Jackster
March 3, 2010 11:24 AM
"Arcuri says his opposition is based on three main concerns: That the bill is too sweeping and comprehensive; that Democrats plan to use reconciliation to amend it in various ways; and, substantively, that it calls for taxes on health benefits."
He forgot the fourth reason. All of the CASH from the HC industry.
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benjoya
March 3, 2010 11:40 AM
he's opposed to reconciliation? news flash: you're in the freaking house! (which is as far as you'll ever go)
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northernMNer
March 3, 2010 11:43 AM in reply to benjoya
And not for long. My prediction: the base not only abandons, but specifically attacks all the vulnerable "yes to no" house members, and one by one, they go down to glee from both sides of the isle.
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FreeRider
March 3, 2010 11:56 AM
What a stupid ass. He's already on record voting for a bill that was much more liberal and sweeping than the Senate bill. Does he really think voting "no" is going to get the Repubes to back off?
He will be pounded for his healthcare vote from the right and snubbed for his non-vote from the left. The guy is fucked. Good!
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northernMNer
March 3, 2010 12:08 PM in reply to FreeRider
Agreed!
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agio
March 3, 2010 12:20 PM in reply to FreeRider
Yes. The die has already been cast.
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jmnyc
March 3, 2010 11:57 AM
He has just become a double loser. He has already voted yes for a more liberal bill so this isn't going to innoculate him from R attacks.
Also, people who vote yes on healthcare are going to get goodies (i.e money for their districts/constituencies)in the Budget Reconciliation bill. He loses that too.
Not very bright if you ask me.
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MBH
March 3, 2010 12:01 PM
Dingle. Berry.
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DownriverDem
March 3, 2010 12:05 PM
The Dems are insane. I write all the time how they need to fight for the people and they act like "we the people" don't matter. If a health care reform bill does not pass with a public option, the Dems will lose big time in November. They are blind to what the American people are saying. I am disgusted with them.
Arcuri is a fool.
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Jackster
March 3, 2010 12:08 PM
Bush 2004, 52-46 of freak'n course. It's NY for shit's sake. They pounded 911 down their throats. He has to remember that he has won and been reelected as a Dem. Time to act like one.
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Steaming Pile
March 3, 2010 12:14 PM in reply to Jackster
It's Upstate New York. Oneida County, to be more specific. For a blue state, it's pretty red up here. All it would take is for a few people, like me, to stay home on Election Day to knock him off, and maybe a couple of people upticket while we're at it. All I gotta say is that this bill had better pass, or his ass is grass.
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Steaming Pile
March 3, 2010 12:11 PM
Sigh. Looks like we'll be represented by douchy Upstate GOPers for another generation or two. Like it'll make a difference. Rep. Joesph Griffo (R-Rome) anyone?
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wial
March 3, 2010 12:11 PM
well, the taxes on health benefits thing *is* pretty ugly...
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
March 3, 2010 12:44 PM in reply to wial
The high dollar plans subject to the tax are a way for Goldman Sachs and Exxon to give their senior executives a little tax free income. There's plenty of time built in for the unions to negotiate their members out of these plans and into wage increases instead.
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truth > spin
March 3, 2010 2:43 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
And, the Cadillac tax measure is one of the few things that will apply downward pressure on costs. Remember, part of the complaint against how the US does things now is that we spend far more than people in other countries and get less for it.
More per person isn't the solution; it is part of the problem.
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traitorjoe
March 3, 2010 12:15 PM
Cold feet? Or the warm hands of insurance lobbyists in his wallet?
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Cornelius
March 3, 2010 12:16 PM
You can justifiably trash Arcuri all you want but part of his decision is based on the fact that he and no one else in holding office fears the President's wrath. Because he has none. Dems as well as Pubs have exploited this weakness and will continue to do so, on a daily basis.
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GTFOOH
March 3, 2010 12:16 PM
Upstate NY might as well be Georgia.
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benjoya
March 3, 2010 12:21 PM in reply to GTFOOH
yes and no. ithaca is like berkeley (go congressman hinchey!), rep. slaughter is good too.
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Maritza
March 3, 2010 12:19 PM
It will be up to Rahm to REALLY put the pressure on him to make sure he votes YES.
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Cal Gal
March 3, 2010 1:16 PM in reply to Maritza
No stimulus funds for YOU, asshat.
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Vincent F
March 3, 2010 12:33 PM
Gutless Piece of Shit.
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jsfox
March 3, 2010 12:40 PM
If you are in his district suggestion . . . Call Him!
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SleepinJeezus
March 3, 2010 12:44 PM
Cowardice, no doubt fueled by a promise for a lucrative position as a Health Care Industry lobbyist. Unbelievable! (but not really)
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lionelehutz
March 3, 2010 12:52 PM
Arcuri has a lot of health insurance companies in his district. I have no idea if he's taken donations from any of them though. That said, if he votes against HCR he's not going to get the votes in the southern part of his District that he needs to win. Hannah is a kook though and a reasonably articulate Democrat with a spine would knock that guy off after one term.
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benjoya
March 3, 2010 1:03 PM in reply to lionelehutz
I have no idea if he's taken donations from any of them though.
click here, and you will have some idea:
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00027890&cycle=2010
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lionelehutz
March 3, 2010 1:06 PM in reply to benjoya
Thanks. It's something I should know, but I haven't had the time or the reason to look at Arcuri's fundraising until now.
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ScrewBush
March 3, 2010 12:58 PM
Well we know who drew the short straw today don't we. The Dems never have had any interest in HCR. HCR is to Dems what abortion is to GOPers. It's just incomprehensible how the same Dem will be for HCR one day and against it the next, is he chickening out, does he have no spine, what can be behind it. Oh, here's a good one, he's worried about begin bi-partisian. It is hard to put this all together and makes sense out of it when it really makes no sense at all because...
WE'RE BEING PLAYED !!!!
Now that makes sense doesn't it? If it feels like you're playing whack-a-mole, You Are!
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
March 3, 2010 1:15 PM
It's not the cowardice. I could live with the cowardice. It's the stupid that kills me. It's letting the fear degenerate into the kind of panic that causes him to pursue the one course of action most likely to result in the very thing he fears. It's the stench of the the kind of cringing witlessness that led to the 1994 debacle that really pisses me off.
For a long time, it's seemed like the majority of Democrats--politicians, consultants and voters alike--lack sufficient strategic or tactical acumen to beat an average seven year old in a game of checkers. It's why the left angrily sneers about "eleven dimensional chess" every time Obama chooses a path to a shared goal other than lining up the infantry and charging into the machine guns dug in at the top of a hill. And it's why the right of the party's politicians persist in pissing their pants, dropping their rifles and trying to outrun cavalry at the mere sound of hooves.
Either way, it's stupid and self-defeating, as destructive to their own agenda as to their fellow-travellers upon whom they should be able to depend. But as between the two, at least the left preserves a modicum of dignity and self-respect in the process of getting themselves and their comrades slaughtered.
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Cal Gal
March 3, 2010 1:20 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
I'm with you. The stupid is making me angry AND sick. And the Dems' total inability to spin. Crikey, every single significant part of this bill is SUPPORTED in public opinion polls, yet the Dems can't get that message through to their OWN CONGRESSMEN?
Get the whip, out, Nancy. Herd these friggin' cats one more time.
November is a gazillion miles away! Remember Poppy Bush's polls in March of '92? And what happened in November? And I the only one who remembers that far back?
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mans_best_friend
March 3, 2010 1:46 PM in reply to Cal Gal
The Dems have always been PR-challenged. It's mystifying. George Lakoff showed them the way and they STILL can't get it right.
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Powkat
March 3, 2010 2:07 PM
We need someone with the persuasion abilities of LBJ:
"Nice little congressional seat you got there. Be a shame if anything happened to it."
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SocialJusticeForAll
March 3, 2010 2:28 PM
Poll Will Show Voters in Pro-Life Democrat Districts Oppose Abortion in Health Care
http://www.lifenews.com/nat6065.html
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oleeb
March 3, 2010 3:13 PM
It's because of people like this guy that Demcorats have a reputation for being pussies who don't have the courage of their convictions primarily because they have no convictions at all other than to get elected and stay in office. I hope he is defeated. The nation suffers because of cowards like him.
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June 13, 2010 12:30 PM
And, the Cadillac tax measure is one of the few things that will apply downward pressure on costs. Remember, part of the complaint against how the US does things now is that we spend far more than people in other countries and get less for it.
More per person isn't the solution; it is part of the problem.
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