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Can The President's Health Care Proposal Survive Reconciliation?


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Assuming abortion doesn't kill health care reform, the other sine qua non of the process is the sidecar bill. House Democrats won't pass Senate health care legislation unless they're assured that a separate package is moved through the reconciliation process, making a number of amendments.

On that score, the White House put some skin in the game several weeks ago when they unveiled a package of proposed changes to the Senate bill, which administration officials say are designed to survive reconciliation--an esoteric process, which only allows measures with significant budgetary impact to advance.

Are they right? For the most part, yes.

According to Paul Van de Water, a health care and budget expert at the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities, and an 18 year veteran of the Congressional Budget Office, the majority of President Obama's proposal is good to go.

"I think that most of the provisions, by far, in the President's 11-page outline probably do have a budgetary impact and are probably therefore OK," Van de Water told me yesterday, though he cautioned, "None of us is really in a position to say what the parliamentarian is ultimately going to determine."

Under reconciliation, according to Van de Water, measures that have a budgetary impact are generally given a pass, unless the Senate parliamentarian determines their budgetary impact is "incidental"--i.e. that the budgetary ramifications are subordinate to the policy. That means the Senate should be able to adopt the most important elements of the Obama plan: increased subsidies, scaling back the excise tax, and closing the Medicare Part D donut hole.

Other issues might be a harder sell. For instance, Obama proposes databasing complaints against Medicare and Medicaid providers--a measure that could save money, but, which, is hardly just a budgeting item.

"That's an uncertain one," Van de Water says, even though "the clear purpose of that is to save money for Medicare and for the government."

Assuming the bulk of the proposal can pass muster, then, it has to meet two more standards: It must reduce the deficit by a billion dollars over five years, and be deficit neutral or better after that. Van de Water thinks it's probably in the ballpark.

Though certain items--subsidies, closing the donut hole, etc.--will be costly, Van de Water points out several areas where the proposal generates revenue.

"The further expansion of the Medicare tax to include unearned income, the change to the Medicare advantage payments to save more than what was in the Senate bill...provisions speeding up provision of generic drugs," all will help pull the proposal into line with the demands of the budget. But there may need to be some tweaks.

"They've done some calculation to lead them to think that the package as a whole is deficit neutral, or saves a billion dollars over five years," Van de Water says. "They're clearly in the ballpark, but nobody, not even in the administration, can project a CBO cost estimate."

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March 5, 2010 11:47 AM   

So in short, "Yes, it can survive reconciliation."

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March 5, 2010 12:46 PM    in reply to Pete Bilderback

The real question is, 'can the Dems survive the next election cycle'?

If they ram this thing through without a public option, new antitrust regulations and an immediate start date, they are finished for years to come.

I see a whole brigade of Scott Browns on the horizon.

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March 5, 2010 12:59 PM    in reply to JorgeOrwell

Wishful thinking. Not gonna happen.

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March 5, 2010 1:03 PM    in reply to mans_best_friend

Sadly, I think you are correct. Not only will the Dems lose in November in a reply of Brown v. Coakley, but we will all go down with them.

Without an FDR style Army Coprs. jobs program and universal health care, this fragile economy will continue to slip into the abyss.

It's Hoover all over again.

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March 5, 2010 1:05 PM    in reply to mans_best_friend

You misunderstood. It's you who are wishing for the Dems to go down in defeat. But it isn't going to happen. It's just wishful thinking on your part.

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March 5, 2010 1:12 PM    in reply to mans_best_friend

On the contrary. I wish they would behave like true Democrats and clean up next November. Unfortunately, Bill and Hillary moved your party so far to the right, nobody recognizes it anymore.

What lesson did you draw form the Brown victory?

Kevin Baker wrote an incredibly insightful article in Harper's that has basically proven to be the blueprint Obama and the dems are following to their demise....

http://harpers.org/archive/2009/07/0082562

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March 5, 2010 1:15 PM    in reply to JorgeOrwell

"YES WE CAN" has lost its luster for me. I can see it has for you too.

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March 5, 2010 3:12 PM    in reply to JorgeOrwell

Are you talking to yourself?

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March 5, 2010 3:16 PM    in reply to Dorn76

Apparently not

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March 5, 2010 3:55 PM    in reply to JorgeOrwell

Who the heck were you talking to then?

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March 5, 2010 4:15 PM    in reply to Dorn76

YOU, apparently.

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March 5, 2010 1:31 PM    in reply to JorgeOrwell

That was a good read.

Barack Obama is moving prudently, carefully, reasonably toward disaster.

Yup, he has in fact committed himself on this path now.

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March 5, 2010 1:41 PM    in reply to rbeats

Yeah, I was astounded at how accurate he had way back then.

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March 5, 2010 4:31 PM    in reply to JorgeOrwell

Right. You gave yourself away:

"Unfortunately, Bill and Hillary moved your party..."

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March 5, 2010 4:32 PM    in reply to mans_best_friend

"YES WE CAN"!

Call your Senators and demand they live up to the Democratic Party platform. Tell them, we need health care TODAY, in 2014 and beyond!

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

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March 5, 2010 4:35 PM    in reply to mans_best_friend

Yeah, I'm an INDEPENDENT. I've been clear about that from the get-go. You, on the other hand ???

;)

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March 5, 2010 11:55 AM   

Question: Wasn't there a big fight earlier in the Senate debate about a stipulation in the bill that nothing could be changed without a super majority vote? Al Franken was ruling that that was not a rule change and didn't, itself, require a super majority to be written into the bill. If that's the case, how can reconciliation be used to change the bill.

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March 5, 2010 12:11 PM    in reply to SFCWallace

I would try to explain but since understanding basics is beyond your ability . . .

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March 5, 2010 12:16 PM    in reply to FreeRider

"I would try to explain but since understanding basics is beyond your ability . . ."
That's elitist for "I can't explain it."

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March 5, 2010 12:37 PM    in reply to SFCWallace

It's elitist for "why would I bother with a moron?"

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March 5, 2010 3:41 PM    in reply to FreeRider

Have you seen this headline. TPM News
WH considering military trials for 9/11 suspect

White House nearing recommendation for military trial for Khalid Sheik Mohammed, 4 others
"In a potential reversal, White House advisers are close to recommending that President Barack Obama opt for military tribunals for self-professed Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed and four of his alleged henchman, senior officials said. Officials spoke Thursday on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to discuss private deliberations."

Potential reversal - conditions of anonymity - from AP no less, Shame on TPM for pushing this story/

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March 5, 2010 4:00 PM    in reply to lousgirl84

And if he does send KSM to a military tribunal? What would you think of that?

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March 5, 2010 4:30 PM    in reply to Dorn76

Are you suggesting there can't possibly be a valid reason for trying him in a military court?

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March 5, 2010 5:36 PM    in reply to mans_best_friend

No. There's issues to weigh on both sides. But it isn't close, the reasons to put him in a tribunal lean heavily toward the political, and would be a major reversal on the theory of National Security that I thought we all voted for.

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March 5, 2010 5:39 PM    in reply to Dorn76

This story is being reported by every news organization today, so TPM is hardly going out on a limb, or "pushing" this.

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March 5, 2010 7:23 PM    in reply to Dorn76

Stop trying to twist my words. I don't care how many other organizations ran with it - it came from the AP so it's no surprise but I would hope that TPM would not choose to jump off the cliff just because the others did.

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March 7, 2010 5:57 AM    in reply to mans_best_friend

The excuse for "military tribunals" is that George Washington used them. No, he did not. The one place he might have was with the Whiskey rebels -- but they were tried in ordinary courts, and convicted.

The whole "military tribunal" scam is to make the Bushit criminal enterprise appear macho and tough and patriotic, instead of like the draft-dodgers they always were.

And as effort to make the "illegal combatant" lie "stick".

And, of course, to gut due process: you are labeled a terrorist, and that is sufficient to convict.

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March 5, 2010 7:18 PM    in reply to Dorn76

I don't believe he will overturn Holder's decision. My point is Dorn that there is an endless supply of unsubstantiated stories all from unnamed and anonymous sources and far too many right here at TPM.. I say let's wait to see what happens and then comment on it.

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March 6, 2010 10:43 AM    in reply to SFCWallace

The bill itself has already passed the Senate. Reconciliation will be used to-basically-clear up the differences between the Senate and House versions of that bill.

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March 5, 2010 12:42 PM    in reply to SFCWallace

Yes, that is true, but was only during debate on the initial bill. Another words, the rule said that all changed made up until final passage would need a supermajority vote.

Final passage happened on December 24th, so that's not relevant anymore.

Not that you'd understand this.

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March 5, 2010 1:10 PM    in reply to dtOZONE

Why do y'all keep ending your statements with "Not that you'd understand this"...I'm starting to think you're trying to say something about me...?

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March 5, 2010 1:18 PM    in reply to SFCWallace

Actually, it was just pointed out to me by email (I guess they didn't want to publicly say anything to me without adding "not that you'd understand this") that the rule was refering to "...changing any of the regulations imposed upon doctors and patients by the Independent Medicare Advisory Boards." Thanks for the clarification...and for not saying "not that you'd understand this."

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March 5, 2010 12:57 PM   

You mean reconciliation is not unconstitutional and against God's will when the Dems do it? Now why did I think it might be?

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March 5, 2010 1:23 PM   

Look, we can all sit here and wring our hands, but if you want to see Dems retain their majorities next November and get REAL reform that covers everybody in time for the elections, call you senators and encourage them to sign onto the Bennet letter. 35 Senators have already committed to the PO in spirit. Hold them to it, by asking them to sign the letter.

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

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March 5, 2010 1:30 PM   

Biden can overrule the parliamentarian on the databasing and on regulations.

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March 6, 2010 4:33 PM   

While it is technically permissible to use reconciliation to enact Health Care Reform I believe doing so sends the wrong message to the American people -- namely, that the party in power is indifferent to the majority of the people who oppose such sweeping and cripplingly expensive "reform".

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March 6, 2010 8:28 PM   

In answer to the question posed in this article's title: I hope not. Any plan that sets up a 4 tiered system - platinum, gold, silver and bronze - and continues to ration health care by ability to pay is blatantly unfair. It's as if we created a system of public schools in the same town based on wealth. It's barbaric. And even if it weren't barbaric, it's stupid. It affects our productivity as a nation, our ability to attract jobs in manufacturing and the mobility and efficiency of our workforce, incentivizes deferred care, leading to lower overall health outcomes and personal hardship; and the system wastes billions in paperwork and administrative costs. We couldn't design a more inefficient system. And now we're building on it, tweaking it, on the altar of market based solutions - because Obama really doesn't want to rock the boat. He's rocking the boat anyway, despite his best efforts to mollify AHIP and Pharma, but Republicans would've kicked and screamed no matter what the President proposed. I hope that's clear. The were for gutting Medicare. When Obama tried to set up a catfood commission to do the same thing, they opposed it. So even on a political level, this isn't working out for him. Thank you Clinton era Democrats.
The President's plan is closely modeled on the current system in Massachusetts, which also mandates individuals to purchase health care from private companies, provides subsidies and establishes an exchange. That might provides us with some idea as to how the President's plan will manage to accomplish one of the two major goals of health care reform: containing cost/expanding affordability. This is in today's Boston Globe:
http://www.boston.com/business/healthcare/articles/2010/03/06/health_rate_hikes_flout_new_state_cap/
My short take is that the system there is fraying. It has accomplished the other main goal of health care reform (near universal coverage). But, clearly, that goal is imperiled by spiraling costs. People will be forced to buy cheaper plans. These plans will naturally be more restrictive in their coverage...I think I see where this is going.

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June 13, 2010 4:21 AM   

On the contrary. I wish they would behave like true Democrats and clean up next November. Unfortunately, Bill and Hillary moved your party so far to the right, nobody recognizes it anymore.

What lesson did you draw form the Brown victory?

Kevin Baker wrote an incredibly insightful article in Harper's that has basically proven to be the blueprint Obama and the dems are following to their demise....

m65 kamagra

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