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Rep. Michael Capuano (D-MA)

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After Scott Brown won the Massachusetts special election in his home state, Rep. Mike Capuano (D-MA) sounded pretty fatalistic about health care reform. Nearly two months later, not much has changed.

In an email to supporters today, Capuano lays out a number of major complaints with both the process and the substance of the final health care reform push.

"House Members will now likely be asked to vote on the Senate bill without changes, making it available to the President for his signature," Capuano warns. "Congress will then vote on amendments to that legislation through a process known as reconciliation. At this writing, it is not at all clear what legislative changes will be made to the final bill. Reconciliation is a complicated and dangerous process. In this instance, it requires the House to adopt the Senate bill and then trust that the Senate will pass, and the President will sign the reconciled bill that "fixes" any problems in the existing Senate bill. There is great risk in this course of action."

Beyond the process, Capuano lays out a series of substantive concerns he has with the Senate bill, some of which he believes will fail the reconciliation test. As such, he's very--very--on the fence.

"I am sure you have heard that there is a push to have the House vote on all of this next week," Capuano writes. "I do not know if that goal is attainable, but I must presume it is real. As with all legislation, I seek to be as well informed as possible - especially on complicated matters such as these that are so critically important to our region."

You can read the entire letter below.

March 11, 2010

Dear Friends,

For over a year, Congress and the President have been working to craft comprehensive health care reform. For me, throughout this process, I have focused on how to make health care available to all Americans without damaging the quality of care in Massachusetts. I do believe we achieved that goal in the bill passed by the House. I have not yet reached a final conclusion about the bill passed by the Senate last year because it would have, in the usual course of legislative business, undergone changes in conference committee before coming to the House for a vote.

As I am sure you are aware, there was no conference committee established for this bill. House Members will now likely be asked to vote on the Senate bill without changes, making it available to the President for his signature. Congress will then vote on amendments to that legislation through a process known as reconciliation. At this writing, it is not at all clear what legislative changes will be made to the final bill. Reconciliation is a complicated and dangerous process. In this instance, it requires the House ouseto adopt the Senate bill and then trust that the Senate will pass, and the President will sign the reconciled bill that "fixes" any problems in the existing Senate bill. There is great risk in this course of action. If one or both parties refuse to commit to this approach; the Senate bill could be signed by the President as the final bill. This recent New York Times article provides a good snapshot on current thinking regarding reconciliation in the Senate: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/10/health/policy/10health.html.
Therefore, I have been focusing on how exactly the Senate bill affects Massachusetts before I decide how much I will leave to "trusting" the reconciliation process. Trust is hard to find in Washington these days and I will have to make that decision myself.

I am also struggling with some of the larger questions related to the Senate bill, such as the lack of a public option and how we should pay for health care. Additionally, I have some concerns that are of specific importance to me as someone who represents Massachusetts.

Described below are the most pressing concerns I have with aspects of the Senate bill that directly impact Massachusetts. As I have done throughout this process, I reached out for a wide range of opinions on the issues described below - from hospitals, community health centers and other knowledgeable sources. I am seeking their comments on the following aspects of the Senate bill and I am currently awaiting their responses. As always, I also want to hear from you. I thank you for the many thoughtful comments you have shared with me over the past year and I look forward to hearing any additional comments you'd like to share:

(1) Early Expansion States - The House bill recognized that some states took the lead on expanding coverage to more citizens by "grandfathering" in their programs so they would not be harmed by the new federal proposal. This helps Massachusetts, since we are one of the leaders on this issue. The Senate bill does not take the general grandfathering approach but it includes language that specifically protects Massachusetts. Although the Senate language is not as generous as the House language, the Commonwealth does have some protection.

I am concerned that in reaction to other state-specific Senate language such as the now infamous "Cornhusker Kickback," legitimate state-specific Senate provisions will be dropped, which would seriously damage Massachusetts. In fact, a March 10th article in Politico raises this very question and reports that the President wants the Massachusetts language out of the Senate bill. It is my understanding that without some type of grandfathering language; Massachusetts could lose in the range of $300 million per year. I am gathering more information about this aspect of the bill to determine if my concerns are valid.

(2) DSH cuts - Currently, Medicare and Medicaid provide extra payments to hospitals that serve higher-than-average shares of people without health insurance. These hospitals are called Disproportionate Share Hospitals, or DSH. In the 8th District for example, Boston Medical Center and Cambridge Health Alliance both depend on millions of dollars a year in DSH payments. The Senate bill would cut DSH payments by $42 Billion per year, as opposed to the $20 Billion cut proposed in the House. Such cuts, made before a new health care system is allowed to fully develop, would curtail the amount and quality of health care provided by DSH hospitals and their uninsured patients, thereby driving these sick and poor persons to other hospitals that will not be equipped or paid to handle the medical and social challenges they present. I am looking into this aspect of the Senate bill as well.

(3) Value Index - The Senate bill includes a proposal to adopt a so-called "value index"; the House bill does not include this proposal. It would adjust the way payments to physicians and other non-hospital providers are calculated. Supporters suggest it would encourage practices that are more frugal by rewarding "low cost areas". Massachusetts is considered a "high cost area" due to various factors, including the regional cost of living, the relative poverty of the people served, and our financial commitment to educating America's next generation of doctors. There are no limits on how much a physician's payments could be reduced by this so-called "value index" and the method has never been tested at the physician level. Due to the probability of much lower payment rates to Massachusetts doctors, this proposal seems as though it would influence (1) where doctors practice (discouraging practice in Massachusetts), (2) how they treat patients in so-called "high cost areas", and (3) how many doctors will be trained in America. Absent a thorough study of the impact of this so-called "value index", it seems to me that it could seriously harm the quality of care in Massachusetts.

(4) Super IMAC - The Senate bill contains a proposal that would shift authority to set Medicare policies and reimbursement rates from the Congress to a board appointed by the President. This proposal has been referred to as the "Super Independent Medicare Advisory Council" by many. The House bill does not contain such a proposal, although it does require formal studies on many specific initiatives to improve the quality and cost effectiveness of the American health care system. Traditionally, reimbursement rates from Medicare are based on many factors including efficiency, complexity of the medical issues, whether the provider also bears costs associated with medical education for future doctors, whether the provider engages in research that advances medicine and the cost of living in different areas. Some argue that Medicare should focus ONLY on cost containment without regard for all the other factors that affect the cost of care and that have been traditionally considered. I am concerned that if this appointed board adopts the cost-containment only approach, Massachusetts could lose BILLIONS of dollars PER YEAR. Such a loss would hurt our world-renowned medical schools, teaching hospitals, and research programs. Those losses would undermine the quality of care we provide to our own citizens and slow progress in biomedical sciences globally. To make matters worse, I am concerned that it would quickly and inevitably result in Massachusetts losing tens of thousands of jobs and would seriously undermine one of our region's economic engines. Other regions with heavy concentrations of health care would feel a similar impact, such as New York City, Philadelphia and Los Angeles. Finally, to add insult to injury, the elected representatives of the people impacted would no longer have a say in accepting, rejecting or amending any new approaches - the entire decision would be up to Presidential appointees. Moreover, I ask people who are happy to entrust these decisions to persons appointed by President Obama to remember that there will be other Presidents, with, perhaps, very different levels of commitment to medical care.

In addition to the specific concerns outlined above, I am also concerned that some of these issues simply CANNOT be "fixed" through reconciliation. For example, even if everyone agreed at this point that the so-called Super IMAC should not be implemented; the reconciliation process may not allow that change because technically the provision does not impact the budgetary aspects of the bill. I am still working on clarifying this segment of my concerns.

I am sure you have heard that there is a push to have the House vote on all of this next week. I do not know if that goal is attainable, but I must presume it is real. As with all legislation, I seek to be as well informed as possible - especially on complicated matters such as these that are so critically important to our region. As always, I welcome your thoughts on this matter - on health care reform in general or on any of the issues I have outlined above. I look forward to hearing from you and I will keep you informed regarding what I learn. Please feel free to contact my office at the phone numbers listed below, or you may email me through my website at http://www.house.gov/capuano/contact/email.shtml.

Congressman Mike Capuano
8th District, Massachusetts
Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure
Committee on Financial Services
Committee on House Administration

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March 11, 2010 2:51 PM   

Pussy.

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March 11, 2010 3:56 PM    in reply to darkrhyme

I just called his DC office. The staffer I spoke with said that Rep. Capuano has not made up his mind and might end up voting for the bill. Right now he is concerned that the current bill will cost Massachusetts "billions of dollars" and punish them for the health care reforms they have already made.

I tried to explain that A.) this is an incredibly callous and selfish way of viewing historic health care reform and B.) his facts were wrong.

The staffer said Capuano is still meeting with health care experts, doctors, nurses, etc. though he is skeptical that certain fixes can be made in reconciliation. I told him that if the GOP could pass budget-busting tax cuts with reconciliation, surely the Dems could pass some minor fixes to HCR.

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March 11, 2010 6:43 PM    in reply to existenz

Please also tell him that you plan on voting against him and donating to his opponents if he votes no. This is the language these douchebags speak- they could give two shits if they're wrong or right or how many people die of a lack of health care because this jackass decided to vote with the Southern white man's party.

If this guy kills reform, I would single out him out. He represents friggin greater Boston/Cambridge/etc? I mean, are you kidding me???? And for what- because Coakly couldn't be asked to shake hands outside Fenway park? I don't live in the district, but his opponents for will get all my political donations. What a grade AAA douche.

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March 11, 2010 7:44 PM    in reply to existenz

How do you know his facts are wrong? I'd like to hear from an expert as to whether he's right about how it will impact Massachusetts?

TPM, some reporting on those details would be great!

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March 12, 2010 5:35 PM    in reply to ohiomeister

Capuano sent another email to constituents today that I think further vindicates the view that he's just playing hardball to get some benefits specific to Massachusetts.

"I want to vote YES on health care reform, as I did in November. As I explained yesterday, I have some questions about the Senate bill that are specific to Massachusetts and I think it is important to clarify those questions as we get closer to a vote."

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"As I wrote yesterday, one of the issues I am reviewing is how the removal of state specific language could impact Massachusetts. I am very encouraged by recent developments in that area. The President appears to be listening to the concerns that I and others share about the potential loss of almost a half a billion dollars, and what that would mean to Massachusetts."


March 12, 2010

Health Care Reform

Thanks to those who have called and e-mailed my office to share your opinion on health care reform. I am grateful that you have taken the time to express your thoughts and I appreciate hearing your views. Please keep your comments coming as we get closer to further action in the House. I want to vote YES on health care reform, as I did in November. As I explained yesterday, I have some questions about the Senate bill that are specific to Massachusetts and I think it is important to clarify those questions as we get closer to a vote. I wanted to call your attention to an article in the Boston Globe today that highlights something I raised yesterday: the issue of recognizing Massachusetts’ leadership role in expanding health care coverage. As I wrote yesterday, one of the issues I am reviewing is how the removal of state specific language could impact Massachusetts. I am very encouraged by recent developments in that area. The President appears to be listening to the concerns that I and others share about the potential loss of almost a half a billion dollars, and what that would mean to Massachusetts. In the days ahead, I will continue gathering information about how the Senate bill impacts our state, with its progressive legislation and its excellent system of care, from community health centers to great teaching hospitals. As always, I will report what I learn and keep you posted on the timing of the health care vote.

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March 11, 2010 2:56 PM   

Does he still want to be Sen. Capuano? Dem leaders should make it clear to him that if he votes no, whatever hopes he has of taking on Scotty Brown in 2012 are dead.

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March 11, 2010 3:05 PM    in reply to Aksh486

Yeah, I'm sure they're gonna lay down the law, just like they always do with Joe Lieberman and the other conservadems when they don't vote along with the rest of the party. And the Lions are gonna win the Super Bowl next year.

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March 11, 2010 3:31 PM    in reply to Riesz Fischer

with some they have no leverage...with this guy they do. Let's see if they use it.

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March 11, 2010 7:58 PM    in reply to stillidealistic

I think you can read the concerns in his statement (and you should actually READ HIS WHOLE STATEMENT, not just the headline, before you comment) as a bit of insider baseball.

Capuano is trying to get the best deal for Massachusetts as he can, which is in a bit of a special situation, having already passed a similar near-universal healthcare bill, and actually needs and deserves to be treated a bit differently from other states.

So he's actually playing a bit of hardball on the Progressive side, which folks on this site normally cheer.

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March 11, 2010 4:32 PM    in reply to Riesz Fischer

They' use the "Sternly Worded Letter Template" available in Office 2007.

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March 11, 2010 4:51 PM    in reply to Riesz Fischer

Great comparison, the Lie Downs in Detroit are not much different than Dems in Washington.

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March 11, 2010 3:08 PM    in reply to Aksh486

Definitely.

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March 11, 2010 2:58 PM   

The paralysis of analysis in action.

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March 11, 2010 3:11 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

He lists all his "concerns" and asks for constituent comments. How about listing the positive things the legislation does and then ask if his concerns are enough to kill the whole thing? He evidently is not even doing this himself in his analysis. What a douchebag.

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March 11, 2010 3:16 PM    in reply to Rick Jones

Your ideas intrigue me, and I would like to buy a gift subscription to your newsletter, delivered to Chris Van Hollen and Nancy Pelosi.

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March 11, 2010 2:59 PM   

Chickenshit is buying the Sen. Gregg fear campaign - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/11/gregg-gop-gameplan-is-to_n_494838.html

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March 11, 2010 3:00 PM   

DAMMIT CAPPY!!

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March 11, 2010 3:01 PM   

Wasn't this guy the 'progressive' alternative to Coakley? WTF?

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March 11, 2010 3:10 PM    in reply to BlueinColorado

According to folks like wbgonne who claimed that he would have run away with the election because he was a true blue liberal.

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March 11, 2010 8:12 PM    in reply to FreeRider

He was definitely more liberal than Coakley and a better retail campaigner. For some reason Dem primary voters decided to give her a free ride, and then she thought she could just coast to the Senate.

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March 11, 2010 5:14 PM    in reply to BlueinColorado

Of course he is. And this bill is shit. Which is why it doesn't (and shouldn't) have progressive support.

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March 11, 2010 8:07 PM    in reply to Petey

That's not really the case, at least not by any meaningful definition of who is a progressive. Unless you mean that only 17% of MoveOn.org members are progressive, since they voted to support the final health care bill if it looks like the president’s proposal 83-17.

http://www.moveon.org/healthcarevote/index.html?rc=homepage


83 - 17! Who says we don't agree on anything??

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March 11, 2010 10:54 PM    in reply to ohiomeister

MoveOn is not progressive. MoveOn is made up of low-info vague Democrats who think bumper stickers and mailing lists are the key to advancing "liberal" policy.

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March 12, 2010 5:31 PM    in reply to Petey

If most MoveOn members don't qualify as progressive, I think you've really gone around the bend, Petey.

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March 11, 2010 3:02 PM   

I am so disappointed in him.

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March 11, 2010 3:05 PM   

I guess Massachusetts primary voters did chose the better candidate. Capuano is a chickenshit unicorn chaser.

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March 11, 2010 3:05 PM   

Wow. What a gutless wonder. Hope you Bay Staters have a backup plan, 'cause otherwise it's looking like another six years for Sen. Brown.

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March 11, 2010 3:06 PM   

What a wuss. But he could change his mind.

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March 11, 2010 3:12 PM    in reply to Maritza

He just wants his 15 minutes of fame. Threatening to vote no against the bill is a sure-fired way to get on TV, just ask Stupak.

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March 11, 2010 3:06 PM   

Kick all these cowards out of the party.

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March 11, 2010 3:10 PM    in reply to Rich in NJ

Then the remaining Dems could caucus in my livingroom.

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March 11, 2010 3:14 PM    in reply to Walter Mitty

On the upside, Barney Frank, Anthony Weiner, Diana DeGette would at least make for some witty company.

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March 11, 2010 3:16 PM    in reply to Walter Mitty

At least you'd know where they stand.

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March 11, 2010 3:08 PM   

I read the letter and he didn't say for sure that he was going to vote NO. Instead he discusses ALL his misgivings which is fine. In the end he could easily vote YES.

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March 11, 2010 4:00 PM    in reply to Maritza

Thank you Maritza!

This strikes me as a BARGAINING position. He has not said, Hell no, I won't go there! He raises legitimate concerns and wants some answers (aka concessions).

This site is becoming reflexively virulent at any sign of legitimate argument. The time to extract concessions for those you represent are when you have maximum leverage. You know, the tired old meme of sausage making. It gets ugly at times, but I sincerely hope there is no one seriously arguing that there can't be improvements made in this deeply flawed bill.

Rant at the Theocrats and corporate whores if you want to express your inner teabagger. There are 37 Democratic votes who are not being counted as YES, out of the 253 Dems in the House. What the Hell are THEY waiting for? SCREAM at THEM for a while. Some progressive, thoughtful souls have legitimate concerns. Vituperation from the peanut gallery, they don't need or deserve.

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March 11, 2010 4:24 PM    in reply to KeithL

yeah but it gives cover for other defectors, that's the problem ... in the end he most certainly will vote yes. But taking this position and showing this ambivalence might derail the process before it even gets to a vote.

I think he's trying to show an "independent" mindset, so that when he runs for Senate in 2012 he will have a broader appeal.

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March 11, 2010 3:09 PM   

Does anybody know his position on tickle fights?

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March 11, 2010 3:18 PM    in reply to TJ21

Bottom.

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March 11, 2010 3:47 PM    in reply to Tod

Snorkel.

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March 11, 2010 3:11 PM   

Which is also interesting if what if he did win against Coakley and in the special against Brown? Would he kill the bill from inside the Senate?

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March 11, 2010 3:53 PM    in reply to Walter Mitty

He'd only have to vote on the reconciliation fixes, so probably not.

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March 11, 2010 3:11 PM   

Jeez- he's on the friggin' fence people! He hasn't decided to vote no!

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March 11, 2010 3:57 PM    in reply to felix

And he's on the fence because the bill isn't as progressive as he'd like it to be, not because he's a secret conservative or afraid of the tea baggers.

Didn't we not long ago have people here advocating that the bill be killed because it doesn't include a public option? Now a strong public option advocate is voicing his concerns about the Senate bill and he's a pussy? I'm OK with this, just as long as he votes "yea" at the end of the day. (or votes "nay" with the assurance that his "nay" vote won't sink the bill)

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March 11, 2010 4:04 PM    in reply to felix

He has decided to go for the spotlight á la Stupak, so screw him. We need fewer prima donnas.

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March 11, 2010 3:19 PM   

I live in his district. I'll primary him myself if he votes no.

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March 11, 2010 4:01 PM    in reply to alkali

Let us know where to send money if you do.

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March 11, 2010 4:28 PM    in reply to alkali

Call him now and tell him so:

District Office: (617) 621-6208

Washington Office: (202) 225-5111

I did.

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March 11, 2010 5:08 PM    in reply to lalilyman

He's my rep and I've already told him what I think about his misgivings. I'm gonna go and get everyone I know in the area to do the same.

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March 11, 2010 3:19 PM   

I don't know if I'd jump down this guy's throat just yet. The concerns he has are hardly conservative (as in political ideology) and they are very local in nature - he's showing his constituents that he cares about their local concerns. He's probably also jockeying to make sure the reconciliation bill addresses some of his concerns. Finally, I think he wants to get stronger assurances from the Senate re: reconciliation and what it will included.

That said, I can't see a Dem from this district, which is one of the safest Dem districts in the country, voting against healthcare reform. I can't see him getting voted out of office if, for some reason, reconciliation fails or it fails to address some or all of his concerns. But the district he represents could also be a reason for him to vote "nay" - he isn't going to lose and he looks like a progressive hero. I think that's less likely.

Bottom line - this guy is not on the fence because he's afraid of being voted out by the tea partiers.

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March 11, 2010 3:23 PM    in reply to ogliberal

His district has a Cook partisan rating of D+32. I don't care what he's saying today - and as Maritza noted, he isn't saying "no" - if he's the deciding vote he will NOT vote against the Senate bill.

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March 11, 2010 3:22 PM   

I read the letter and I still don't read exactly where he says NOPE I won't vote for the bill.

Instead the letter discusses his misgivings about the bill but no where does it say absolutely not.


I put him in the "undecided" category who in the end will probably vote YES.

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March 11, 2010 3:24 PM   

It seems he's listed some legitimate concerns. I wish people here would rebut him instead of just calling him a pussy.

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March 11, 2010 4:21 PM    in reply to fnord12

Can we rebut AND call him a pussy?

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March 11, 2010 3:25 PM   

Let's be very clear, what he is defending is the right of Massachusetts to be a very expensive place to get health care. So if you hear him say he is in favor of the public option because it will lower costs you know he is blowing smoke up your ass. What he is about is defending the incomes of doctors and hospitals in Massachusetts. period.

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March 11, 2010 3:27 PM   

I'm in his district. He'll be getting an earful from me.

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March 11, 2010 3:32 PM    in reply to cambridgeMR

By the way, he is talking about small sums -- millions, a handful of billions -- in his gripes above. When it comes to our health care problems, those are rounding errors.

I just called his office and said that he has to vote yes, or else I'll stop supporting him.

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March 11, 2010 3:51 PM    in reply to cambridgeMR

Given the big time Dem lean of your district and the fact that this guy really has nothing to fear re: re-election, do you think there's any chance he'd be the guy to sink a Democratic healthcare reform bill? And if the answer is "yes", what would be his motivation?

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March 11, 2010 4:05 PM    in reply to ogliberal

My town leans so far left that I think he could probably get away with saying "this insurance bill doesn't go far enough" or "this is just a big giveaway to the insurance companies."

I agree with your implied point -- it's very unlikely that he'll vote against it -- but I thought it would be useful to remind him that people are paying attention.

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March 11, 2010 4:19 PM    in reply to cambridgeMR

Oh, I don't disagree with you and others calling him office and reminding him of that. Call him every day.

A comment up above made me think of something. Even though it sounds like he's criticizing from a progressive perspective, could he be thinking that a "nay" vote, whatever the reasons, could help him in a statewide race in, say, 2012? I'm not sure if that would help him against Brown because I'm not convinced Brown won because people in MA hated healthcare reform...in fact, I'm sure that's not the reason he won. Also, I doubt he'd survive a Dem primary if his vote effectively kills the bill. Still, something to think about not that I think of his future goals beyond MA-08.

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March 11, 2010 4:25 PM    in reply to cambridgeMR

Yeah but even Howard Dean is supporting this Bill now. You can't get much further left!

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March 11, 2010 3:28 PM   

Seriously, though, TPM needs to stop with this whip count concern-trolling. Plenty of members are going to be skittish and will say they're undecided or leaning no at this point. Wait till the reconciliation fix comes out and the leaders start seriously whipping. They need to stop freaking out everytime a House Dem wavers.

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March 11, 2010 4:07 PM    in reply to Aksh486

Well said.

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March 11, 2010 3:30 PM   

How much money has this guy taken from the Insurance Industry. You can bet your life he's taken a lot. And you can bet your life he sat with those lobbyists and told them he'd do everything they wanted so he could keep that money rolling in.

What a creep.

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March 11, 2010 3:43 PM    in reply to Dolmance

No you have it wrong. He is protecting doctors and hospitals, who have much more power over this system than insurance companies could ever dream about.

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March 11, 2010 3:31 PM   

How much money has this guy taken from the Insurance Industry? You can bet your life he's taken a lot. And you can bet your life he sat with those lobbyists and told them he'd do everything they wanted so he could keep that money rolling in.

He's in this for himself. He is not in this for his constituents. This man has no integrity. This man is a creep and a liar.

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March 11, 2010 3:35 PM   

Capuano's claims about IMAC are off base. Congress still gets an up or down vote on IMAC recommendations each year.

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March 11, 2010 3:37 PM   

Everybody, calm down. One more time, look at what district he represents. It's Tip O'Neill's. He got 91% of the vote in 2008 with the remaining 9% going to a candidate of the Socialist Workers Party. He has yet to face a GOP challenger in all his years in office. Unless there is some legitimate challenger out there ready to take him on from the left, he has nothing to worry about. (and probably has nothing to worry about even if such a challenger emerged) In other words, he's not scared or a pussy and he's certainly not afraid of a tea party challenge, not in the home district of the original tea party.

And he's not saying, "no". I think Josh and Brian are reading too much into this letter.

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March 11, 2010 3:45 PM    in reply to ogliberal

I agree that Josh and Brian are reading too much into the letter as well.

Capuano is stating a lot of misgivings but no where in the letter does he say that he won't vote for the bill.

I say he votes FOR it in the end.

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March 11, 2010 3:43 PM   

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March 11, 2010 3:44 PM   

Where does he say he wouldn't vote for it? Come on TPM, you're better than this. There's no statement on how he would vote one way or another, it outlines what his concerns are.

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March 11, 2010 3:45 PM   

Josh, you're doing us a terrible disservice by getting people all riled up for what is a wishy-washy form letter.

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March 11, 2010 3:53 PM    in reply to GermanyOrFlorida

He knows what he's doing. It's all about the clicks.

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March 11, 2010 4:04 PM    in reply to GermanyOrFlorida

Every time we click on a story he makes money.

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March 11, 2010 3:46 PM   

I find it hard to get too worked up about this...

I trust Pelosi when she says she's got the votes - and the history of legislation under the Pelosi house is a lot more solid with Dems saying things like this only if Madame Speaker has given them the OK to do so.

I imagine she's probably taken stock and just given some like Capuano the OK to keep their progressive street cred.

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March 11, 2010 4:27 PM    in reply to zonk

hope so

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March 11, 2010 7:51 PM    in reply to zonk

One thing Nancy knows how to do is count votes and has NEVER lost a vote.

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March 11, 2010 3:50 PM   

Cram it, Ed. This party is fucking hopeless.

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March 11, 2010 3:51 PM   

How about having the reconciliation bill include the House's surtax on the rich and then use that money to pay for the states' portion of Medicaid? Now you don't have to strip the Cornhusker Kickback since every state is getting the same deal and the early adopting states like Massachusetts are not affected?

This would also give temporary aid to the states (until the provision expires) since they don't have to contribute to the Medicaid fund temporarily. The states look to face a budget crisis next year and are acting like 50 Herbert Hoovers (as Krugman would say). If the states don't have to pay for Medicaid, it would help spur the economy since they would stop cutting funding and could lower taxes. And it helps pay for HCR. I'm sure every California Democrat would vote for it.

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March 11, 2010 4:20 PM   

I just called both his offices and expressed my extreme displeasure, as a constituent and someone who has actually voted for the jerk many times. I understand his concerns, but does hie really think the American people are going to give Congress the chance to start all over from scratch again?

He's just punishing us (MA voters) for not picking him in the Senate primary: 'see, you didn't pick me, you lost the seat and now you lost Health Care Reform altogether!'

He knows he'll lose here if he doesn't vote for this bill. If he doesn't change his language however, and in any way contributes to the derailing of this process, he'll lose my vote for sure. I'm giving him 48 hours to walk back the language ....

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March 11, 2010 4:20 PM   

Everyone freaking out and knee-jerk commenting based on the misleading headline (and Josh's "Eeesh" on the main page) should just READ THE GODDAMN LETTER.

He's clearly NOT leaning towards a NO vote, but rather voicing his misgivings. I think he sounds very thoughtful and honest, and he does raise some real concerns (and no, not all "concern" equals "concern trolling -- grow the fnck up!) It's smarter for these Dems to keep their positions unclear in the run-up to a vote anyway; who knows what he's telling Nancy P. on the downlow. But a "pussy"? Please.

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March 11, 2010 4:45 PM    in reply to psyberian

Well you can't blame us for being a little gun shy - there's been too many setback already.

I'll freak out at anyone who threatens to vote against the bill, and right now that happens to be my own Congressional Rep, Mike Capuano.

Nothing less than full throated support will do. No roadblocks and no more hiccups thank you very much.

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March 11, 2010 4:54 PM   

While Mr. Capuano was elected to represent his constituents, he does look for $$$ from the democratic party, does he not? In the area of health care reform, a little loyalty to the democratic party and American citizens would surely be appreicated . .

Anyone know how this health care bill is polling within his constituency?

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March 11, 2010 5:10 PM    in reply to boycottfaux

Somerville is one of the most liberal areas in the state along with Cambridge so it's entirely possible that we have a bunch of hardliners who want to kill the bill because it doesn't include everything the left ever wanted, ever.

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March 11, 2010 11:36 PM    in reply to worthy9

But the reasons he gives mostly have to do with protecting the income of doctors and hospitals. That in turn is the number one reason for what makes health care more expensive for his constituents.

IMAC's brief will be to make the health care system more efficient (Changes in medicare payment will reverberate throughout the system). But health care in Massachusetts is bloated and expensive. The politicians would rather let their states' doctors and hospitals retain their privileges.

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March 12, 2010 9:43 AM    in reply to Economides

Oh yeah. I was just responding to how the bill was potentially polling in his area. His concerns are strictly technical and based on a concern for his constituents so I can respect it. I still called him to say I'd like him to vote for the bill, though.

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March 11, 2010 5:15 PM    in reply to boycottfaux

The health care bill is polling poorly FROM THE LEFT in his districts.

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March 11, 2010 4:57 PM   

So we're going to have supposed liberal members of Congress voting against Health Care Reform on technicalities?

Worthless pussies. I'm beginning to think the Anti-Federalists were right. Let's just have a confederation and do everything meaningful at the state level. I'm sick and tired of paying federal taxes for nothing.

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March 11, 2010 5:31 PM    in reply to decisivemoment

"Technicalities"? Do you mean "what this bill actually does"?

How are these for some technicalities:

- This bill "limits" out of pocket expenditures to 20% of AGI, as much as many people pay for a mortgage

- It DOESN'T CHANGE any existing language against rescission, it just restates existing language, meaning there is NO BAN on it (as advertised)

- It removes demand side restrictions on cost, meaning premiums will skyrocket as they have in Massachusetts under Romneycare

- It will limit access to abortion procedures, and, according to legal analyses, result in the elimination of coverage for abortion as a medical procedure

- It does not allow individuals and small businsesses to pool together in the exchanges, meaning each exchange pool is really small, and thus unaffordable

As god is in the details, so the bill is in the technicalities, you buffoon.

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March 11, 2010 11:52 PM    in reply to Petey

This bill "limits" out of pocket expenditures to 20% of AGI, as much as many people pay for a mortgage

First, out of pocket expenditures are not limited at all today. And they are not limited at all today even in the single payer Medicare system where the average out of pocket expense is 16% of income.

Second, anyone who has out of pocket expenses that high probably has some pretty serious health issues. Are you suggesting that it is not worth spending that much on your health, but it's fine to spend it on a mortgage, or a new car, or whatever. For example, the cost of a life saving treatment may exceed one's income entirely, but I have a hard time believing having your life saved is not worth 20% of your income.

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March 12, 2010 7:47 AM    in reply to Economides

The point is that this bill does not meaningfully introduce cost savings to those who need it the most, it is still to expensive, and in that sense it may not be better than nothing, as the people who have "pretty serious health issues" are the people who need health care reform!

Look, the entire issue here is helping people who can't pay for healthcare, correct? Well, if you say we're going to subsidize those people, but the subsidies don't kick in until a prohibitively high point anyway, how do they help?

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March 12, 2010 9:22 AM    in reply to Petey

You have an incorrect understanding of how the subsidies work. and sick people on the exchanges will pay much less than they do now.

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March 12, 2010 11:49 AM    in reply to Economides

please, educate me on the subsidies.

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March 11, 2010 5:13 PM   

Good!

I'm one of Capuano's constituents. I do not support this bill, which is a bailout of the insurance industry, will not end rescission or the worst practices of the insurers, and will not meaningfully bend the cost curve.

I voted and campaigned for Capuano in the primary. I held my nose and voted for Coakley (for all that did).

And I agree, Josh - this is a ridiculous nonstory in any case.

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March 11, 2010 11:40 PM    in reply to Petey

This is a payoff to doctors and hospitals, pure and simple. He objects to anything that might cut payments to doctors and hospitals even if the objective is to make the system more efficient.

You are outraged at the idea of providing more revenue to for profit insurers (even though that revenue buys more and better health insurance for many who don;t have it), but you are not outraged at protecting the revenue of for profit doctors and hospitals whose added revenue does not buy you any better care. It's just more for them, and less for you.

Congratulations.

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March 11, 2010 5:16 PM   

At the risk of having other "progessives" trash me, the whole bill is a sellout to insurance and big pharma without a public option or single pay. I fear the bill will have unintended consequences. But I haven't read all 2016 pages or whatever the number is. I hope I am wrong. I am ashamed at the gutlessness of the Democrats! They should have acted like republicans when they took power and rolled over the republicans just like they did us when they were in power. Cowards and corporate ass-kissin stooges!

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March 11, 2010 5:16 PM   

Capuano's letter seems perfectly reasonable to me.

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March 11, 2010 11:45 PM    in reply to wbgonne

Are you concerned about the cost of health care?

In his letter, the Congressman is saying that he is against reducing the income of doctors and hospitals in his state even though that is the major reason for the high and growing cost of health care.

BY the way, the state authorities are busy at work trying to implement on the state level a lot of the ideas that the existing MEDpac and almost certainly what a new IMAC would recommend. They did coverage first and now they have to figure out how to make the system more cost efficient.

Capuano is pandering to doctors who have a much bigger stake of the pie than insurance companies, but that's fine with you.

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March 12, 2010 7:27 AM    in reply to Economides

Capuano is concerned about his state, of which I am a resident. The entire MA Congressional delegation shares his concerns.

http://www.boston.com/news/health/articles/2010/03/12/bay_state_seeks_fair_shake_in_health_bill/

So do I.

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March 11, 2010 5:19 PM   

This guy won with 91% of the vote in 2006: the Socialist Worker candidate received the remaining 9%. What's his problem?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives,_Massachusetts_District_8

The health care bill will insure 31 million Americans and the insurance industry has just rolled out a multi-million ad campaign against it. Progressives should join Bernie Sanders, the NAACP, the AFL-CIO and SEIU in their support.

Pass The Damn Bill.

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March 11, 2010 5:27 PM    in reply to Measure for Measure

Bernie Sanders doesn't support this bill. Will he vote for it? Maybe. But he doesn't support it. Neither do members of the CPC - of which Capuano was a founder.

Don't confuse "being dragged in to voting for because it's potentially the worst of a lot of horrible options" with "support." That's why we get shit bills and compromises in the first place.

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March 11, 2010 7:00 PM    in reply to Petey

Bernie Sanders doesn't support this bill. Will he vote for it? Maybe. But he doesn't support it.

Wow, there's some thinkin'!

And people wonder why Dennis Kucinich never polls above three percent.

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March 11, 2010 10:54 PM    in reply to BlueinColorado

Bernie Sanders is, hands down, the best Senator the Senate has ever had.

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March 11, 2010 5:25 PM   

I read through all these comments and I cannot believe what pathetic jersey-cheering "go team democrat!!" posters TPM readers have become.

Capuano isn't perfect, and I've had my issues with him as a constituent.

But he has issued a form letter saying he has problems with the bill. And he has solid progressive credentials - you know, the sort of thing Democrats used to care about. Cf: http://ontheissues.org/Senate/Michael_Capuano.htm

These comments are just sad. You're taking a bat to one of THE BEST members of Congress because he expresses a hesitation about passing a bill with significant downsides that will further entrench the private insurance industry.

I've never been more ashamed to call myself a member of the TPM community.

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March 11, 2010 5:33 PM    in reply to Petey

TPM has become real Obama-bot territory. Those who ask questions will have their mouths glued shut. Heretics will be burned. Sort of like the Bush years.

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March 11, 2010 5:48 PM    in reply to wbgonne

I agree. It's embarrassing.

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March 11, 2010 5:49 PM    in reply to wbgonne

FDL and a lot of critical progressive sites are often histrionic and/or incorrect, but jesus christ TPM and ThinkProgress are about the most pathetic "go team blue" echo chambers I could imagine.

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March 11, 2010 6:53 PM    in reply to Petey

Then why dont you both just fuck off? You two whine and piss and moan so just leave. What the fuck do you expect from people who support POTUS and see theu the smoke and bullshit about what he does and why he does it. Take your heads out of your asses for a day and breath some other medium. Two boring pissants...

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March 11, 2010 9:22 PM    in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe

The sweet voice of the health insurance industry.

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March 11, 2010 9:26 PM    in reply to wbgonne

Im a teacher you asswipe.

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March 11, 2010 9:29 PM    in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe

I'll just bet you are. What do you teach? How to engage in sock puppetry on progressive websites?

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March 11, 2010 9:26 PM    in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe

Oh, and fuck you, too.

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March 11, 2010 10:03 PM    in reply to wbgonne

tsk tsk tsk....A little excited? Did you piss yourself?

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March 11, 2010 11:58 PM    in reply to Petey

Which of Capuano's objections have anything to do with the insurance industry?

They are all about protecting the income of the bloated and expensive health care industry in Massachusetts. The reason health care is expensive has little to do with insurance markets and tons to do with how the health care industry milks the public through the oversupply of tool two quality care.

The Michigan politicians who protected the auto industry from having to become competitive with the Japanese did no one any favors.

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March 12, 2010 12:00 AM    in reply to Economides

"tool two" is supposed to be "too low". As in, the quality of care is not high enough for what we are paying for it.

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March 11, 2010 6:33 PM   

Capuano a profile in courage. Ha Ha

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March 11, 2010 6:42 PM   

Without defending TPM specifically, I will try to argue the case for the people complaining about this public statement by Capuano.

The problem in my view is that the argument about what's going to be in the bill is over. There are now only two choices for House members:

A) Vote for the Senate bill and then work your azz off to get fixes done through reconciliation
B) Pass nothing and wait another generation

It is so late in the game that fence-sitting House members - as valid as their concerns might be - only contribute to the perception that B may be the final outcome. And for Pelosi right now perception is everything. She's trying to whip enough House votes to ensure we get option A, but every public statement of wavering from (D) House members makes her job harder.

If Capuano really wants option B to be the outcome, then I think his letter may help that cause. If he really hates the bill, but recognizes that option A is the only viable way to get anything done, to make even an inch of progress in this arena, then his letter didn't do any favors to those trying to make A happen.

If he doesn't recognize that A and B are really all that's left at this point, then I fear he's slightly deluded.

Note that if his letter had instead listed all of the things he sees wrong that he will work hard to fix in reconciliation after passing the Senate bill, then it would have been a winner.

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March 11, 2010 8:09 PM    in reply to Boidster

C) Extract some promises specific to Massachusetts and then vote for the bill.

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March 12, 2010 7:30 AM    in reply to ohiomeister

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March 11, 2010 7:30 PM   

Capuano will suck it up in the end and votes 'Yes.' But democrats cannot continue living like pussy's. It's unfair to the political process and their constituents.

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March 11, 2010 10:56 PM   

Oh and just FYI thanks to everyone who just posted Capuano's number in this thread because I, as a constituent, called him to thank him and support him in voting against this bill from the left :)

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March 12, 2010 9:44 AM    in reply to Petey

LOL...as if you couldn't find his number posted readily on the House website.

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March 12, 2010 12:09 AM   

Mike Capuano is married to Barbara Teebagy.


Seriously. I'm not making it up.

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June 12, 2010 4:58 PM   

I read the letter and I still don't read exactly where he says NOPE I won't vote for the bill.

Instead the letter discusses his misgivings about the bill but no where does it say absolutely not.


I put him in the "undecided" category who in the end will probably vote YES.

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August 20, 2010 10:12 AM   

One thing Nancy knows how to do is count votes and has NEVER lost a vote.


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