
One of the key issues bedeviling House Democrats who are still on the fence about health care reform is the unpredictability of the Senate. They wonder whether the Senate will be able to pass a reconciliation bill--making needed changes to the comprehensive health care bill--that hasn't been riddled with holes by Republican procedural bullets.
Today, Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND)--chair of the Senate Budget Committee--didn't provide them much peace of mind.
Conrad addressed a meeting of Senate Democrats to explain the reconciliation process to them. On his way out, I and several other reporters caught up with him. I asked whether the package being assembled by House and Senate Democrats will survive the Byrd rule, which requires a reconciliation bill to amend tax or entitlement law, without increasing the deficit.
"We haven't finished the process of going through things that are Byrd-able," Conrad said.
"Is it a close call on some of them?" I asked.
"Oh yeah," Conrad said.
Democrats and Republicans, he noted, will have to go over the package with the Senate parliamentarian, and make their case as to whether various measures pass the Byrd rule's stiff test.
Now, as Paul Van de Water of the Center of Budget and Policy Priorities told me, most of the measures outlined in President Obama's proposal should withstand the Byrd rule just fine--particularly the most significant elements, such as closing the Medicare prescription drug donut hole, and the tax changes. But some more minor ones, such as a proposal to database complaints registered against Medicare and Medicaid practitioners, might be stricken. And it's still unclear which of the President's provisions--or in what form--made it into the actual reconciliation bill, which has yet to be unveiled.
So it's probably too early to worry that the reconciliation bill will come out looking like Swiss cheese. But it could have a few big holes in it.
And, of course, if the Senate makes any changes to the House's reconciliation bill, the legislation will have to go back to the House for another vote.
Maritza
March 17, 2010 3:27 PM
Well they need to get rid of the stuff that doesn't pass the test.
If Obama has to delay his trip a few more days then he should. This has to get done within a week.
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mans_best_friend
March 17, 2010 3:27 PM
Shut up, Conrad. It's not your decision.
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Mr S
March 17, 2010 3:37 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
That doesn't make what he's saying any less valuable. If the House wants to take it via the reconciliation route, they should constantly be reminded of what their boundaries are.
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Barry Champlain
March 17, 2010 4:30 PM in reply to Mr S
Don't look at his comments as "valuable", because that's not why he's doing this.
This is an attempt to hit this bill from the other side; if the R's are going in front of every camera they can find, and telling Democrats that their careers are toast if they pass health care reform, this is the counterpart. This is the attempt to intimidate the Dems, as long as HCR is at the finish line anyway, to throw the last Hail Mary pass to water-down reconciliation to the point where the Senate bill remains shit.
You may ask yourself, why? Because despite voting reluctantly for the Senate bill (and not until it was guaranteed to be shit), Kent Conrad is a "sleeper cell"; a DINO who takes his marching orders from the health care insurance industry. Even more repulsive, he always couches his own obstructionism in deep concern as to how it will affect his state.
Call me an attitude problem, but I have never given a flying fuck how health care reform affects North Dakota.
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Powkat
March 17, 2010 5:09 PM in reply to Barry Champlain
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!
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March 17, 2010 3:44 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
It's not his decision. But advising people on what they probably can and can't legally do is his job.
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mans_best_friend
March 17, 2010 3:48 PM in reply to Icon
Who's he advising? Who appointed him the expert? What he's really after is to run the reconciliation bill through the Budget committee so it has to have his stamp of approval, just to show everyone how important he is.
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holyhandgrenaid
March 17, 2010 3:54 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
He chairs the budget committee, and is a pretty devoted process hawk. I think that gives him at least a *reasonable* amount of expertise.
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mans_best_friend
March 17, 2010 3:57 PM in reply to holyhandgrenaid
This has nothing to do with anything except trying to get it run through his committee. He said as much a few weeks ago.
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March 17, 2010 3:58 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
His Senate colleagues.
The members of the budget committee, who supported him as Chairman.
Actually, there really isn't a judgment call to be made there. Reconciliation bills go through the budget committee. It's a statutorily defined part of the process.
The reconciliation process, as with any process in Congress, has rules associated with it, and going through the budget committee in the Senate is one of them.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
March 17, 2010 4:02 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
Senate budget reconciliation bills don't have to go through the Senate Budget Committee?
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mans_best_friend
March 17, 2010 4:54 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
I believe it's possible to bring it directly to the floor. Even if it goes to the Budget committee, it can be passed through perfunctorily. But watch Conrad hold hearings and drag it out just to show everybody how important he is.
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IndyLinda
March 17, 2010 5:06 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
Stabenow said yesterday on MSNBC that the current plan was to bring it directly to the floor. She sounded like that could change though.
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mans_best_friend
March 17, 2010 5:20 PM in reply to IndyLinda
And that's likely what's got Conrad's nose out of joint. They're bypassing his committee and he's pissed off.
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Docb
March 17, 2010 4:49 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
What a putz...this man needs to be sent home --He is less than helpful...call him 1.866.311.3405
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Maritza
March 17, 2010 3:36 PM
They most likely will be able to get rid of some of the kickbacks in the bill since they directly affect the budget.
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LAB
March 17, 2010 3:41 PM
Honestly, this is one of the most dour human beings I have ever seen. Could he smile, if he wanted to?
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Harry Truman
March 17, 2010 3:47 PM
Relax! He's holding out for guarantees that all of the subsidies that go to his state's beef, corn & mining interests will not be touched to pay for the bill, and there will be no additional regulation on all of the usurious banks that hide out in his state. Not to worry!
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MyMy
March 17, 2010 3:52 PM
He really is a pettifogger.
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Rich in NJ
March 17, 2010 4:02 PM
Conrad isn't the parliamentarian.
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lamonth
March 17, 2010 4:06 PM
i think voters should vote out all senators who are in office for over 12 years. it seems senators become corrupt or they join the club and stay silent as the fellow senators are corrupt up to their eyeballs. for example look at dodd, he has been so corrupted over the years in the senate that he does not see anything wrong with the shenanigans going on on wallstreet. i just do not believe its healthy for our democracy to have a person in gov't (politician) their entire life
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condew
March 17, 2010 7:00 PM in reply to lamonth
Yeh, sure. Government by nobody but rank amateurs would be sooo much better. Not.
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mcc
March 17, 2010 4:07 PM
Now, the reconciliation bill did get marked up in House committee already... right?
When will we get to see a copy?
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Lucieann
March 17, 2010 4:15 PM
Conrad has been crying about this for months! My advise to him, "Shut up! already!!"
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fpie
March 17, 2010 4:16 PM
When will Democrats learn what Republicans know so well? If you are in power you can do what you want. Screw the Byrd rule. Declare it what you want and take the sucker home!
And when the GOPers piss and moan, smile a big ol' grin and laugh. It will play great with the folks back home. People love and vote for winners so WIN!!!
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CVille Dem
March 17, 2010 4:27 PM in reply to fpie
I'm with you! Just bluff the hell out of them -- repubs are nothing but hot air anyway.
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slb
March 17, 2010 4:40 PM in reply to fpie
Some of us happen to think that in a country that is supposed to be "a nation of laws and not of men," that process actually matters. Any petty dictator can say "Screw the rules; I'm in power, and I can do whatever I want," but that's not supposed to be the system we have here.
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SleepinJeezus
March 17, 2010 5:29 PM in reply to slb
You get two choices here: (1.) Obstructionism for its own political purposes, or (2.) Majority Rule. I know what my choice is, and I think it's the majority choice among Americans.
Sorry, Repubs. You overplayed your hand and are once again going to find yourselves on the wrong side of history.
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5542
March 17, 2010 4:23 PM
Just to be clear--even if the house passed the bill at the end of the week, and it then came back to them because they had to vote on changes as a result of the reconciliation process--that would mean that the senate bill still would have passed, and Obama could sign that into law in the worst case scenario, even if all other votes fail--correct?
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slb
March 17, 2010 4:42 PM in reply to 5542
Depends on the "self-executing rule" that the House adopts. I think one of the options that was being considered was that the original Senate bill would be deemed passed only if the Senate passed the House's reconciliation bill.
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docrocktex
March 17, 2010 4:25 PM
Kent Conrad is irrelevant, all he ever does is say what won't or can't happen. Good thing no one but TPM actually thinks his drivel is worth discussing.
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traitorjoe
March 17, 2010 4:29 PM
Conrad, Nelson, Traitor Joe. So needy and desperate for attention they make Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan look shy.
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SFCWallace
March 17, 2010 4:35 PM
Why doesn't he just "deem" everything Byrd-able and go on vacation.
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Kevin Sutton
March 17, 2010 4:47 PM
It would have been smart to clear everything with the parliamentarian before getting the house to move on it.
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barbara63
March 17, 2010 5:09 PM
Conrad said, "Oh yeah," when he was asked if some of the items would be a close call. The headline is a bit misleading. He doesn't seem to have taken it upon himself to pronounce that reconciliation was in jeopardy. He just said that some parts of it might be a "close call." Seems like a very cautious answer to me.
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ondioline
March 17, 2010 5:12 PM
I'm stunned by the almost reflexive negativity that happens in any thread related to HCR. The Chair of the Senate Budget Committee is advising his fellow Democrats on the reconciliation rules and procedures and THIS makes him a putz? Don't get me wrong, Conrad isn't terribly high on my list of people to invite to dinner or anything (unless I'm preparing pufferfish), but some of the reaction to what seems like a relatively neutral and straightforward position is a little... "off". To say the least. The Senate Bill needs to be "fixed" through reconciliation. Reconciliation is a process that has rules. One of the rules is that all provisions must be of a budgetary nature or they will be rejected. It seems pretty reasonable to me that the Budget Committee Chair might have some ideas on that... And it seems like it would be better that he voice those ideas now than after it is too late for the House to be aware of them in their process.
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joeinmaryland
March 17, 2010 5:29 PM in reply to ondioline
I agree with you completely. The problem I have is not with the message but that he actually opened up his fat mouth to a journalist.
This is all inside baseball that can be rectified. Keep it on the inside and clean it up. The rest of the knee jerk pundit/political class doesn't need to know the inside crap that is going on. Just work to get the results.
He didn't need to open his fat mouth to prove how smart he is. Quietly advise all of the parties involved what it will take and what the repurcussions will be if a couple of provisions don't meet the Reconcilation test.
Let's assume everything but 4, relatively meaningless provisions (in the grand scale of things) satisfy the reconciliation rules. Drop them and pass them after the fact using the regular order of business. If those items include a couple of the silly Republican ideas raised at the summit, than you are daring the obstructionists to deny a vote on the things they requested in the bipartisan summit.
Problem solved and no hyperventilation necessary.
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lousgirl84
March 17, 2010 11:31 PM in reply to ondioline
I'M with you Ondioline. I am with anyone who uses common sense and rationale - not knee jerk reactions.
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kindness
March 17, 2010 5:21 PM
Conrad hasn't had what I consider to be an exemplary track record as far as Health Care Reform is concerned. In my humble opinion, I will defer to the Parlimentarian's review and expect Conrad to STFU until it's passed. He's done enough to screw it up already.
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twirling fartknocker
March 17, 2010 5:21 PM
North Dakota population: 646,844
So SENATOR Conrad represents half of that which is less than the total number most Congresspeople do.
ND is also 91.4% white.
Shweet.
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GTFOOH
March 17, 2010 5:29 PM
..."Oh, you gotta, accentuate the positive and eliminate the negative..."
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FlownOver
March 17, 2010 5:50 PM
As always, Conrad steps out of a phone booth in his Captain Bringdown costume.
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booch221
March 17, 2010 5:54 PM
"...the Byrd rule, which requires a reconciliation bill to amend tax or entitlement law, without increasing the deficit."
How did the Bush tax cuts ever pass this test?
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hollywood
March 17, 2010 6:48 PM in reply to booch221
Good question !!!! Just a general idea that rethuglicans do not give a shit about how dishonest and ugly their laws are they just fukking pass them! The Bush tax cuts were a TRILLION and a HALF dollars of money borrowed from the Chinese that we will all be paying interest on for the rest of our lives ..... so some filthy rich mother fukkers could be even filthy richer and everyone else more broke and desperate than ever ......... Rethuglicans! Gotta love em!! They get things done!!
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zach
March 17, 2010 6:35 PM
I presume that reconciliation can proceed without Conrad's explicit say-so as Finance chair. If that's the case, his input is of dubious value given that he'll probably be amongst the 9 no votes as is.
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tmccarthy0
March 17, 2010 6:39 PM
Make up your mind Conrad, are you trying to torpedo the bill or not? Geez.
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condew
March 17, 2010 6:56 PM
I see Democratic Senators like Conrad still refuse to play like a member of a team; which in this case means either say something supportive, of STFU. Another convienient villan? I'd compare Conrad's campaign contributions very carefully to the provisions he's objecting to; is there really a procedural problem, or just bought Senator problem?
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HarpboyAK
March 18, 2010 3:25 AM
Conrad, Lieberman, Lincoln, Nelson, all these DINOs need to GO! I hope that they all get primaried out. This year has certainly revealed what a corrupt body the Senate is, owned by big banks, big insurance, big Pharma. IMHO only a few Senators deserve re-election.
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William Holt
March 18, 2010 4:39 AM
Conrad always talks like he's the final authority, like "No we don't have the votes for this, no, we don't have the votes for that". He's an obstructionist who doesn't care a whit about his state or his country. He's all about making sure that he gets his from the health insurers and Big Pharma. Kent Conrad, King of the co-ops, the plan that never happened.
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March 18, 2010 8:42 AM
yes because the scum inthe senate are so trustworthy the rest of the time. what a joke, they hgot their wish list filled in the first bill, why would they go fuck that up just to help citizens. The Billions for ins co's with no oversite in the bill is just what the insurance companies wrote.
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June 12, 2010 7:12 PM
Actually, there really isn't a judgment call to be made there. Reconciliation bills go through the budget committee. It's a statutorily defined part of the process.
The reconciliation process, as with any process in Congress, has rules associated with it, and going through the budget committee in the Senate is one of them.
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