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Rep. Tim Ryan (D-OH) took to the House floor tonight to call on Republicans to "distance" themselves from the ugly epithets allegedly yelled at minority members of Congress by anti-health care reform protesters gathered on Capitol Hill today.
Ryan called on Republican pols who addressed today's anti-reform rally to "come out and condemn" the protesters for their alleged slurs against black members and Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA), who is openly gay.
"This behavior is irresponsible it does not belong in a civilized society," Ryan said of the protests. Video after the jump.
Ryan seemed visibly upset by the allegations, but he didn't refrain from using a questionable phrase himself to describe the protesters.
"I wanted to come to the floor today after hearing about experiencing and reading some of the reports about what happened here today in the nation's capitol to some of the finest servants that this institution has ever seen by some of these tea bagger protesters who have been out today," he said.
Ryan said that that it was now up to the Republicans to condemn what was said.
"We call on the Republicans to say 'shame on you' to that kind of behavior," he said.
Check out the video, posted to YouTube by Ryan's office tonight:
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shooter242
March 20, 2010 10:53 PM
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IndyLinda
March 20, 2010 10:56 PM in reply to shooter242
Um, just because it wasn't uploaded on video to the Internet for your viewing pleasure doesn't mean it didn't happen. There are numerous eyewitnesses--lawmakers, staffers, and reporters--who have attested to what happened.
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mcrose68
March 21, 2010 6:07 AM in reply to IndyLinda
Why is it that "some people say" is all the proof you need on Fox News, but when it comes to what experts and scientist say 10's or even 100's of years of scientific data is suggestive at best?
The right wing is really becoming a parody of a parody of itself with the amount of inverse logic they need to maintain their world view.
Well you can't prove that WMD did not exist, therefor that's proof that they do exist. . .
Stop government health-care and don't touch my Medicare. . . really??!!! Is there any sense of how stupid they look to anyone who have the smallest bit of sense?
Yet they have the nerve to ask why we call them stupid when they tell us we need to keep the government away from their Medicare.
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JEP07
March 21, 2010 11:05 AM in reply to mcrose68
How many times did our killer dog reload this page to get the first comment?
Political Blog Trolling is no longer the subtle art form it used to be, it has become another wingnut institution. They don't even try to hide their tracks.
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Delores
March 21, 2010 10:47 AM in reply to IndyLinda
There were videos up on You Tube yesterday. The posters took them down, so that people like you can deny it happened. Shame on YOU.
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FreeRider
March 20, 2010 11:00 PM in reply to shooter242
This call for "proof" before acting is new for you right wingers.
Where's your proof of death panels, FEMA camps, bribes for HCR, Kenyan birth certificates?
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Rich in NJ
March 20, 2010 11:18 PM in reply to FreeRider
You saved me some typing. Well said.
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chimpale
March 20, 2010 11:45 PM in reply to FreeRider
Funny. When some moron half-Governor from Alaska tells the tea-baggers what Obama or the Dems are going to do at some time in the distant future, they treat it is as a documented fact. This 'burden of proof' notion seems to be in a constant state of flux over there on the right.
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gbear
March 20, 2010 11:46 PM in reply to FreeRider
You forgot WMD's, the mother of all of them.
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JEP07
March 21, 2010 11:40 AM in reply to gbear
The BIG Lie!
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mophan
March 21, 2010 12:39 AM in reply to FreeRider
Freerider, how dare you forget the proof that is in the holy bible? It is written, so it must be true! Homosexuals shall burn in eternal damnation, and Obama is black and therefore not our president. All Christians know this.
God is the God of all, except if you are not white, rich, or straight.
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FreeRider
March 21, 2010 1:16 AM in reply to mophan
Yes, indeed. And the bible also says that racist, homophobic teabaggers would never say racist, homophobic teabagging things except all those times they do and are misunderstood.
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JNagarya
March 21, 2010 10:19 AM in reply to FreeRider
It also allegedly says that faith is sufficient proof for those who don't need proof to believe what they want to believe, even when what they want to believe is not true, truth being irrelevant to "God" and "His" "Son" Christ when a lie better serves one's agenda.
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Katalina
March 21, 2010 10:25 PM in reply to mophan
You obviously haven't read the Bible in it's entirety have you? You undeniably fit perfectly into that category of people mentioned in Romans 1:18-32. Read it, I dare ya... Go ahead... Ooooh, she invoked the Bible.
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gonzo
March 20, 2010 11:00 PM in reply to shooter242
Sub-private shitter000 of the 101st Fightin' Keyboardists, reporting for duty!
Plugging in my pinhead to Fuxnews to get the daily troll-feed from my masters...
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Jackster
March 20, 2010 11:04 PM in reply to shooter242
Do you believe that these Tea Partiers an incapable of such behavior?
Are you actually paying attention. It's exactly what Beck has been lobbying for. Get them before they get us!
I know, Dems are so insecure of this vote that they "invent" stories for some kind of perverse sympathy meme?
You give them too much credit.
And your very public apology when proof is presented?
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31tudor
March 20, 2010 11:19 PM in reply to shooter242
"So far I haven't seen anything factual. Just hearsay."
Like the reasons for Bush's war(s), spying on Americans, torture, etc. Right Shooter?
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Humanity_Critic
March 20, 2010 11:22 PM in reply to shooter242
There are actual reporters who have heard Barney Frank being called a "Faggot", there is no reason for them to lie. Listen, the Tea Party people(your brethren) are nothing but a bunch of mouth breathing bigots. Just accept reality already.
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KeithL
March 21, 2010 7:16 AM in reply to Humanity_Critic
Come on guys! Don't you know the 'baggers were just using satire?
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AJM
March 20, 2010 11:29 PM in reply to shooter242
Eyewitness reports are not hearsay. When several witnesses report the same event that is known as corroboration.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
March 21, 2010 1:14 AM in reply to AJM
Yep. Quite correct. Hearsay is evidence of an out of court statement submitted for the purpose of proving the matter asserted in the statement. Like say, having a witness testify "John told me he ate doughnuts" submitted for the purpose of proving that John did, in fact, eat doughnuts.
We're not out to prove that Frank is a f****t or that Lewis is a n****r here. We're out to prove that stupid rednecks committed the act of uttering those hateful epithets. Testimony about that is no more "hearsay" than testimony by an eyewitness that he saw John Smith shoot Bill Jones would be hearsay.
But, never mind. It's much easier to believe that evul libruls made up some totally bogus charge than it is to believe that anyone in a crowd of angry ignorant white people, including the guy with the handsome handle bar mustache and the Confederate flag do rag, would ever use such language.
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chimpale
March 20, 2010 11:40 PM in reply to shooter242
Black Representative Says He Was Spat On By Anti-HCR Protester Today
I'm sure you'll want to see the DNA test results for that protester's alleged spit. Where would you like the Capitol police to send them?
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Katalina
March 21, 2010 10:34 PM in reply to chimpale
Hey we all know that there are idiots on both sides, right?
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Donald from Hawaii
March 20, 2010 11:41 PM in reply to shooter242
Spoken like a man who's not paying any attention, and further has no desire to do so.
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geofu54
March 20, 2010 11:44 PM in reply to shooter242
"Reserve judgment" my ass. Where were you when there was video proof you call for of your buddy teabaggers' behavior (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/man-with-parkinsons-on-health-care-protest-showdown-i-embody-the-controversy-1.php)? You were completely silent!
Go away you nutjob hypocrite troll.
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RCE
March 21, 2010 12:01 AM in reply to shooter242
For those who are looking for the video:
http://archpundit.com/blog/2010/03/20/video-of-john-lewis-andre-carson-and-cummings/
The n-word can definitely be heard.
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mcrose68
March 21, 2010 6:32 AM in reply to RCE
I hear silence from shooter.
No apology yet?
I think shooter must be off consulting Glen Beck for his next excuse.
That's all that the right wing is really good for - excuses and complaints.
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JNagarya
March 21, 2010 10:31 AM in reply to mcrose68
Shooter is exulting in the expressions of racism and homophobia. He only regrets not being there to sling them himself.
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shooter242
March 21, 2010 7:26 AM in reply to RCE
I listened to it five times and I heard one guy yell "Hey." You're imagining things. That often happens when you want so desperately to play the race hustle.
But keep up the good work.
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AJM
March 21, 2010 8:43 AM in reply to shooter242
You are the one not hearing what you want to not hear. If you had a mind, I'd say it was playing tricks on you.
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JEP07
March 21, 2010 11:17 AM in reply to AJM
shooter's desperately afraid of that "race card" right now, along with our other anti-bots, they all seem to be attempting to put toothpaste back into a tube, with a snow shovel.
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mcrose68
March 21, 2010 1:42 PM in reply to shooter242
One excuse, "he didn't really say it."
One complaint, "i can't hear it"
par for the course shooter.
Anything else to whimper about.
Are you not being heard? Not being listened to?
Note that posting a non-supportive comment will get you instantly bounced from right-wing blogs - yet you are still allowed to post here. What does that say about who is listening?
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expat46
March 21, 2010 4:39 PM in reply to mcrose68
Exactly. Try to have an honest respectful debate with anyone at redstate and you will be immediately banned.
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tmccarthy0
March 21, 2010 12:21 AM in reply to shooter242
Except the cop who was there and arrested the guy who spit on Rep. Cleaver. yeah, no documentation, please, T-Bag, freeperville called, they want their loons back. They have more talking points to feed you.
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shooter242
March 21, 2010 7:44 AM in reply to tmccarthy0
Actually, chimpale's post above says the cops arrested someone AFTER the allegation. Perhaps there was a time lapse to make things up, or even exaggerate what really might have happened?
But hey, keep up that prejudice and bigotry.
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AJM
March 21, 2010 8:48 AM in reply to shooter242
Gee, I wonder how the Tea Baggers got that reputation of being a junior fascist branch of the KKK? Do you think their treatment of the guy with Parkinson's had anything to do with it?
You lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
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JNagarya
March 21, 2010 10:34 AM in reply to AJM
When teabaggers lay down with dogs, they get up with rabies.
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JEP07
March 21, 2010 11:22 AM in reply to JNagarya
"But hey, keep up that prejudice and bigotry." I just posted up a couple comments, "shooter's desperately afraid of that "race card" right now, along with our other anti-bots, they all seem to be attempting to put toothpaste back into a tube, with a snow shovel."
Seriously, methinks they doest protest too much. I do not mean that lightly, with these repetitive projectionist statements, they are almost screaming out loud their concerns that their party will be exposed for the bigotry it so comfortably includes, and right now that would be very bad at the polls.
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farnsworth
March 21, 2010 12:44 PM in reply to JNagarya
When teabaggers lay down with dogs, the dogs get up pregnant.
Isn't that right shooterboy?
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JNagarya
March 21, 2010 1:10 PM in reply to farnsworth
Are you suggesting that "Shooter" is a deadbeat dad?
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Rockridge
March 21, 2010 12:35 AM in reply to shooter242
Yes, nothing except the direct testimony of a n***r and a f*g. You're right. Wait for a straight white person to speak up.
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Overreach THIS!
March 21, 2010 2:37 AM in reply to shooter242
Your despicable reaction is something from another era, which one had hoped was gone. You sound like KKK.
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DeeVee
March 21, 2010 2:38 AM in reply to shooter242
Or maybe people from any political party who think those words are repulsive. Just sayin'...
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david46
March 21, 2010 6:16 AM in reply to shooter242
It has been confirmed for any somewhat rational and dispasionate person.
Ryan is correct. Republican leaders have encourged this sort of activity and they are encouraging violence by their code words (Ides of March) and their silence.
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JohnW1141
March 21, 2010 7:21 AM in reply to shooter242
shooter,
yeah, the teabaggers didn't ridicule the guy with Parkinson's either.
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AhTrini1
March 21, 2010 8:58 AM in reply to shooter242
Just In: MSNBC is reporting the Democrats HAVE the votes to pass HISTORIC healthcare reform!!!!!
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Marinus van der Lubbe
March 21, 2010 9:18 AM in reply to shooter242
Again you chickenshit racist, publish your address. You bring your smug 'aint on film, didnt happen' attitude a little too far. So if youre willing to go to that place, tell us who you are brave man, or go back to felching at whatever truck stop you hang out at, racist prick.
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RuralDemocrat
March 21, 2010 9:46 AM in reply to shooter242
How about this from Connecticut blogger Al Robinson yesterday:
"Al Robinson I was called a n*igger, and "faggot" by teabaggers in Danbury CT today also. Left a threatening letter on my car. I LOVE the hate!"
It's not just handful of "bad actors" in Washington. This is across the Tea Party" movement.
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JNagarya
March 21, 2010 10:23 AM in reply to shooter242
It isn't up to Democrats to "prove" it. It is up to the objective and honest to accept the sufficient proofs that already exist, without regard to politics or political affiliation.
The reason you pretend it isn't proven is because you approve of racial and homophobic slurs -- without which name-calling the far-right lunatic fringe of which you are member wouldn't have any core "values," and would have nothing to say.
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Dorn76
March 21, 2010 11:02 AM in reply to shooter242
Yup, shooter, history started the moment the cameras started rolling. How can we be sure any of the rest of it ever happened?
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Virginia
March 21, 2010 12:29 PM in reply to shooter242
I'm one of the witnesses. I was riding my bike through the crowd on Independence Ave. near First St. SE at around 3pm when I heard angry shouts, including the N-word, directed at a black Congressman, whom I didn't recognize at the time but now realize was John Lewis.
It was one of the ugliest crowds I have seen, in just about every sense of the word. There were many ignorant, nasty signs, but the one that I thought summed it all up was the one that said "We need health reform, but not Obamacare." That says it all. It's not the fact of health reform that bothers them, but the fact that Obama is doing it.
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k1maynes
March 20, 2010 10:54 PM
Also: spitting on someone is assault. Criminal prosecution should be explored.
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PepperoniToni
March 20, 2010 11:44 PM in reply to k1maynes
assault and battery
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storm
March 21, 2010 12:40 AM in reply to PepperoniToni
splattery?
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JNagarya
March 21, 2010 10:40 AM in reply to storm
No joke: assault is putting a person in fear of battery. Battery is unwanted touching.
So, yes: it is at least battery.
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bk
March 20, 2010 10:57 PM
The cops were there, it was witnessed, the member declined to press charges...sounds like fact, not heresay.
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shooter242
March 20, 2010 11:02 PM
Oh please. If this actually happened, video would have been posted 5 minutes later. This event is the most contentious in years and nearly every person has a recording device of some sort.
It looks like a hoax perpetrated by our elected representatives, Democrats specifically, and leadership in particular. It's just plain lying all the way through.
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Orlando
March 20, 2010 11:08 PM in reply to shooter242
I have a hard time you truly believe what you're peddling here. I think you just enjoy the abuse you get back when you spew. There's probably medication for that.
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JEP07
March 21, 2010 11:30 AM in reply to Orlando
Shooter's just counting delusional coup on 'libruls from the safety and anonymity of his keyboard, then bragging to his birther bubba's about it somewhere else.
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Libertine
March 20, 2010 11:09 PM in reply to shooter242
Prepare for the onslaught shooter. Many of us on the left were willing to let the tea baggers rage themselves into oblivion. But the line that cannot be crossed was...
If there are the multiple credible witnesses, which there appears there are including members of the Capitol police, these criminal acts of intimidation based on race must be addressed.
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clemenceau
March 20, 2010 11:14 PM in reply to shooter242
Ashley Todd, that you?
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gonzo
March 20, 2010 11:19 PM in reply to shooter242
Looking forward to your head exploding tomorrow.
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AJM
March 21, 2010 8:51 AM in reply to shooter242
In this case, if it hadn't happened the video would have been posted 5 minutes later so the Tea Baggers could clear their name. All reports have the Tea Baggers using camera phones to record their thuggish behavior. They need to share.
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EastWest
March 21, 2010 10:37 AM in reply to shooter242
You're a retard, wadshooter. Satirically speaking, of course. Worse yet, you're a lazy retard.
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S v K
March 20, 2010 11:06 PM
WE ARE WINNING!!
Go Lewis
Go Obama
Go nancy
SvK
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jdb316
March 20, 2010 11:07 PM
Is this enough proof:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35965961/ns/politics-capitol_hill/
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shooter242
March 20, 2010 11:19 PM in reply to jdb316
No, I don't. According to the story
N******R N******R N******R
N******R N******R N******R
N******R N******R N******R
N******R N******R N******R
N******R N******R N******R
was YELLED, and not one recording device got it? No I don't believe them.
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Donald from Hawaii
March 20, 2010 11:49 PM in reply to shooter242
Excuse me, but I believe that you have most of us mistaken for people who give a fuckin' shit about preserving your right to live in your fact-free universe. Get lost.
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Flybynite
March 20, 2010 11:55 PM in reply to shooter242
Dude tries to count out four letters and gets six. Figures.
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gbear
March 21, 2010 12:11 AM in reply to shooter242
Hey, guess what! A recording device got it:
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/rep-lewis-called-n-word-tea-party-prote
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Measure for Measure
March 21, 2010 1:07 AM in reply to gbear
A clever forgery. The only source Shooter finds trustworthy is the voices in his head.
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shooter242
March 21, 2010 7:37 AM in reply to gbear
Same video, better sound, and still no racial epithet. But thanks for playing.
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Humanity_Critic
March 21, 2010 11:06 AM in reply to shooter242
Did I miss the part where you explained away reporters accounts of hearing Barney Frank being called a "Faggot", the signs threatening gun violence, a congressman being spat on? Did I miss your explanation of that? Fucking douchebag.
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Clear
March 21, 2010 12:41 AM in reply to shooter242
You yourself are yelling it. It's the postmodern racist way.
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anna am
March 20, 2010 11:08 PM
We need more of this kind of condemnation. And more and more and more.
The more these people expose their hatred, the more light neeeds to be shone on it and, eventually, the media will begin to shine that light too. They always follow, never lead.
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S v K
March 20, 2010 11:08 PM
Average FOX viewer is 65. Average AM Talk Radio listener is 69.
SvK
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jcricket
March 20, 2010 11:28 PM in reply to S v K
IQ?
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AJM
March 20, 2010 11:33 PM in reply to jcricket
Don't ask.
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AJM
March 20, 2010 11:35 PM in reply to AJM
I don't do negative numbers.
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EastWest
March 21, 2010 10:51 AM in reply to S v K
You know the thing that really sucks about those figures? With better health care, those crackers will live many more years. If it weren't for the very thing these morans were protesting, most of them would be dead soon. Nice.
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Seraph
March 20, 2010 11:10 PM
Ooh, this could hurt. If the Repubs refuse to do it, this could be their "have you no decency, sir?" moment.
If they do, it could get them designated "enemies of the revolution" by the Tea Baggers.
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gbear
March 20, 2010 11:50 PM in reply to Seraph
Your talking about Michelle Bachmann. She spoke at the teabagger rally today. We already know she has no decency. It's a lost cause.
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Seraph
March 21, 2010 12:10 AM in reply to gbear
McCarthy didn't have any decency either. Even so, being called on it in public in such a way that it stuck was what destroyed him (Google the phrase "have you no decency, sir" to see what I'm referring to).
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S v K
March 20, 2010 11:12 PM
That's why FOX has so many more viewers than MSNBC / CNN combined...the young get their news online and are mostly progressive. MSNBC caters to progressives, however since more progressives are yoiunger they don't watch TV....So it has much less viewers than FOX.....The elderely watch TV a lot.
SvK
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S v K
March 20, 2010 11:14 PM
Seraph...
My gut says that southern POLS will stand with TEA Party (they need their vote). Whereas eastern POLS are more likely to distance themselves from the TeaKlan since they don't need their votes.
SvK
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Seraph
March 20, 2010 11:18 PM in reply to S v K
So we get a visible split in the Repubs. I'll take it.
Think this'll be enough to finally get it through the Log Cabin Republicans' and any non-white Republicans' heads who their real enemies are?
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farnsworth
March 21, 2010 12:52 PM in reply to Seraph
The Log Cabin Republicans are greedy. They are people for whom the dollar sign is the most holy symbol in existence. They are never going to leave the Greedy Old Party.
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Seraph
March 21, 2010 1:25 PM in reply to farnsworth
Good point. I suppose that when you're rich enough to buy your way out of disadvantages and afforded "not like the rest of them" status by your bigoted colleagues, it's easy to not give a shit about anyone else.
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jet
March 20, 2010 11:18 PM
At first glance I thought Republican Paul Ryan to the floor to denounce the Teabaggers...
Of course I was wrong... that would have been impressive.
Teabaggers aren't racists, or bigots...
They just hate Muslims, Blacks, Mexicans, Jewish gay men... and anyone else that isn't exactly like them.
I'm really glad I don't live in their idea of a perfect country.
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CityGuy
March 20, 2010 11:26 PM in reply to jet
Co-sign! America is strong because we are a diverse nation. And thank the God who made us all.
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JNagarya
March 21, 2010 10:45 AM in reply to CityGuy
Prove there's a "God". Or drop asserting the unevidenced speculation.
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Odel Roo
March 21, 2010 1:31 PM in reply to JNagarya
Prove there isnt a "God". Or drop asserting the unevidenced speculation.
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JNagarya
March 22, 2010 2:50 AM in reply to Odel Roo
One can't prove a negative.
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Wahrheit
March 20, 2010 11:25 PM
Listen to Tripping
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Then they fight you
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When the truth dies very bad things happen
They're being heartless again
I know it's coming and there's going to be violence"
- Tripping by Robbie Williams (quoting Mahatma Gandhi)
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lkt
March 20, 2010 11:28 PM
Thank you Rep. Ryan! You have been on the one lately!
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shooter242
March 20, 2010 11:39 PM
Well, let's see. It's been how many hours since these ALLEGED offenses were said to occur? 8, 10, 12?
Still nothing solid. So far, you people have been played like a cheap piano. What IS real and documented here, is the visceral hate released by the whispered promise of moral superiority. Remarkable.
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eratosthenes8
March 20, 2010 11:50 PM in reply to shooter242
Reminds one of the GOP response to the hoax memo advertised so ardently by Drudge and Politico and Fox and Republican Members of Congress...except this particular issue is completely believable and credible.
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JEP07
March 21, 2010 11:35 AM in reply to eratosthenes8
"the whispered promise of moral superiority"
I'd bet that's a whisper you hear a lot, huh pup?
Tell us more about these whispers...
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Humanity_Critic
March 20, 2010 11:50 PM in reply to shooter242
You are just trying to defend your cross burning friends. A Congressman was spit on today, Barney Frank was called a "Faggot", there were signs threatening gun violence. Only you would think that John Lewis being called a "Nigger" would be some sort of a leap from the aforementioned offenses.
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Donald from Hawaii
March 20, 2010 11:52 PM in reply to shooter242
You're obviously living in your own private Idaho.
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PepperoniToni
March 20, 2010 11:53 PM in reply to shooter242
The whispered promise of moral superiority? What does that even mean? Why do you even care about this debate? It's obvious that you have no understanding of the health care policy, or even what's in the bill. Is politics just good sport to you? BTW, that dog in your picture is butt ugly.
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Trailerville
March 21, 2010 12:00 AM in reply to shooter242
I have a better dog profile picture than you, so I think I speak with moral superiority here when I say you are a silly. And as to your hearsay objection, I respond by saying that these slurs that have been quoted are not offered to prove the truth of the matter asserted. So, according to the definition of hearsay under the federal rules of evidence, this isn't hearsay... and you are still silly.
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PepperoniToni
March 21, 2010 12:04 AM in reply to Trailerville
Alternatively, I believe it's an excited utterance and therefore a hearsay exception.
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Trailerville
March 21, 2010 12:17 AM in reply to PepperoniToni
Hell yes. Good point. This is as admissible as it gets.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
March 21, 2010 1:35 AM in reply to Trailerville
Beg to differ. It's not hearsay at all, and therefore doesn't come under an exception. It's a verbal act, the same way a libel or an order to commit a murder would be verbal acts. Fall's outside the definition of hearsay altogether.
Which all good fun for us lawyers, but for the lay people here's the real point of our pedantry over the rules of evidence. They were worked out, over certuries, based upon what the life experience of both ordinary lay people and lawyers told them about what kind of evidence was sufficiently credible to be admissible in court.
The testimony of eyewitnesses to having heard a mobster give an order to have someone killed made is good enough to send the mobster to the death house. The testimony of public servants, police officers and news reporters that they heard these words it is surely good enough to anyone whose mind isn't Fox-locked to prove it happened.
For the Fox-locked, however, nothing is good enough. When the inevitable clear tape shows up, it'll be dismissed as a fake. No fact deemed inconsistent with Republican orthadoxy can be admitted to exist.
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Trailerville
March 21, 2010 1:57 AM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
That's what I was saying with my earlier comment- that it wasn't definitionally hearsay, because it wasn't offered for the truth of the matter asserted (such as is the case with verbal acts). Anyway, I hear you. I don't mind some level of skepticism toward these kind of things, but it bugs me when the skepticism is only there when it conveniently fits in with political leanings.
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farnsworth
March 21, 2010 12:56 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Fox-locked mind. I like that.
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bill57
March 21, 2010 1:19 AM in reply to shooter242
shut up fool.
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mcrose68
March 21, 2010 6:14 AM in reply to shooter242
Yeah, go figure.
I hate when self-important bigots go around threatening people.
Shooter is shooting blanks, and he knows it - has been for awhile.
Kind of sad see really. Just go back to Fox where they'll tell you how put upon and oppressed you are - you'll feel better soon shooter. Just a little Glen Beck explaining how it isn't your fault that you're such a loser; it's actually a government conspiracy that stole you man-hood. . .. there there. Feeling better already.
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Rob_The_A_Hole
March 20, 2010 11:50 PM
In a day an age when every single one of us has a video camera on our phones you expect me to believe that NO ONE filmed a loud group of protesters yelling "nigger" and "faggot" in the United States Capitol? Absolute nonsense. If this happened, there would be some proof. Would I be shocked if it happened, fuck no. But am I shocked that TPM is saying it DID happen (no allegedly like the underwear bomber got) and there is no audio or video? Fuck yes.
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Humanity_Critic
March 20, 2010 11:53 PM in reply to Rob_The_A_Hole
I'm not sure about "Nigger", but there were actually reporters like Dana Bash from CNN who heard Barney Frank being called a "Faggot". So yeah, a swing and a miss on your part.
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Rob_The_A_Hole
March 20, 2010 11:57 PM in reply to Humanity_Critic
How is it a swing and a miss? I'm asking for a actual evidence and you're saying someone heard it. From all reports it sounds like this was a pretty loud and crazy group of protesters, yet I'm just supposed to believe some reporter was able to pick one word out of the crowd? How do you know she didn't hear something else? Again I'm not gonna be shocked if video does turn up, I just think maybe it or some actual evidence should be presented before the use of the word "Allegedly" is dropped.
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PepperoniToni
March 21, 2010 12:02 AM in reply to Rob_The_A_Hole
You're a regular Perry Mason. Come on, is it really that hard to believe, after confirmation from from several independent sources, that a bunch of angry, conservative white people yelled the nigger or faggot. I mean the Capital police arrested several of them. Are they in on it too. Since when is video documentation a requirment in believability? Can you produce a video that doesn't show Lewis and Frank being derided or present witnesses that refute that it happened?
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JEP07
March 21, 2010 11:39 AM in reply to PepperoniToni
Sometimes, when double-speak quits working, the only thing they can do with the truth is deny it.
Any other approach would be tantamount to a confession.
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Rob_The_A_Hole
March 21, 2010 11:57 AM in reply to JEP07
I'm not in any tea party. I wouldn't be shocked if they did it and would denounce them if they did. However I see no reason why this wouldn't have been caught on video or audio if it happened. Hell a crowd chanting "nigger" in the United States Capitol is such an awful idea it would destroy the whole movement... I can't believe no one took out their cell and recorded it. I think you all are overlooking that because you want this to be true. It would confirm what so many have already said about tea party people.
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farnsworth
March 21, 2010 12:59 PM in reply to Rob_The_A_Hole
Shooterboy made the same mistake. Nowhere is it claimed that the crowd was chanting. The claim is that one person, or possibly one or two more, shouted the word once or twice.
It is really easy to dispute something when what you are disputing is nothing but a straw man.
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Humanity_Critic
March 21, 2010 11:08 AM in reply to Rob_The_A_Hole
Its a swing and a miss because they are credible witnesses to some of the obscene transgressions that you questioned. Jackass.
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eratosthenes8
March 20, 2010 11:55 PM in reply to Rob_The_A_Hole
If the video becomes available, will you pledge to return to TPM and denounce the teabaggers/tea partiers/whatever they're calling themselves these days?
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Rob_The_A_Hole
March 21, 2010 12:01 AM in reply to eratosthenes8
absolutely... I'm new to posting here, but I'll be there to say that they were absolutely wrong. Not just for the words they used, but who they said it to and where they said it.
I just don't get why there is no "allegedly" being tossed around here. When that douchebag lit his underpants on fire to blow up a plane and kill countless "allegedly" was all over the place and if I remember reading right, GOPers were all pissed and the Left mocked them for their (probably fake) outrage. If Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was allegedly guilty, why aren't the tea party protesters allegedly guilty?
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Trailerville
March 21, 2010 12:10 AM in reply to Rob_The_A_Hole
Of course no one knows for AN ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY what was said. That isn't the case ever. But just like people quoting some of the crazies from FDL, I'm not surprised by some of the things that were said by some of the wingnuts, so it shouldn't be surprising to you. We never know for an absolute certainty, and to some extent all of are statements are always qualified by "allegedly" but I'd imagine that some of these things were said. I appreciate your attention to detail though, and I'm not kidding. I hope you apply it equally to those who make statements that are in line with your own ideology.
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eratosthenes8
March 21, 2010 12:16 AM in reply to Rob_The_A_Hole
Is this a serious comment?
"Allegedly" was being used in the Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab case because it was a criminal issue. One doesn't want to taint the process, after all.
In the present case, the tea baggers/people/partiers are being accused of a moral offense. There's no need to pull punches. The claims are completely credible and consistent with their general behavior.
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JEP07
March 21, 2010 11:48 AM in reply to eratosthenes8
..technically very accurate.
But we're talking to the birther brotherhood here, so don't expect absolute facts to sway them from their self-appointed delusions.
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Rob_The_A_Hole
March 21, 2010 12:02 AM in reply to eratosthenes8
although once I'm off exile for being mean, I do spend most of my time at another site. But I'll stop back to stay they were wrong, stupid, racist assholes.
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Rob_The_A_Hole
March 21, 2010 12:03 AM in reply to Rob_The_A_Hole
say they were wrong... not stay. Good night.
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Seraph
March 21, 2010 12:14 AM in reply to Rob_The_A_Hole
Spare us your self-pity. You're not banned. Nobody's making you leave. You're flouncing out because everyone's being so mean to you. Vaya con Dios, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Rob_The_A_Hole
March 21, 2010 11:13 AM in reply to Seraph
"Spare us your self-pity. You're not banned. Nobody's making you leave. You're flouncing out because everyone's being so mean to you. Vaya con Dios, and don't let the door hit you on the way out."
huh? No, I'm not banned, I'm suspended (they call it exile, but it expires)... I'm just saying I typically spend my posting time at another site. But I like it here. I'm sticking around. It also gives me a good fall back for when I do get a suspension there, I can come here and have fun. Plus I prefer this site for news most of the time. I just have to get comfortable here and learn the limits to what you can say before I start really having fun. Be as mean as you want big guy... it won't bother me.
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farnsworth
March 21, 2010 1:03 PM in reply to Rob_The_A_Hole
You have fun being abusive? You expect to get banned from message boards?
You sound like someone with some real issues. I doubt anyone will ever miss you.
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Trailerville
March 21, 2010 12:38 AM in reply to Rob_The_A_Hole
Cheer up. I got banned from Redstate after posting only twice and not being inflammatory or anything. This isn't so bad here, you have to admit. If you are just going to feel sorry for yourself and get mad every time someone tries to debate you then it's not a great time, but I'm sure at least some people here are willing to respond to genuine questions, and, unlike Redstate, it takes much more than having a different political point of view to be banned. Cheers!
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CF2K
March 21, 2010 12:09 AM
So, Shooter, you're calling Rep. John Lewis a liar, then? And Rep. Andre Carson? Were you there? Are you in a position to refute theirs claims? No? You're saying they should believe you rather than they "their lyin' eyes?"
You're as dishonorable as the racists to whose defense you've leaped without being able to determine the truth of the matter.
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bill57
March 21, 2010 1:24 AM in reply to CF2K
You're trying to reason with a tea bagger...wtf?
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PepperoniToni
March 21, 2010 12:11 AM
The Senate should hold a vote on a resolution condemning the actions of the tea partiers in question. It's the kind of thing republicans did with that Petreus / Betrayus ad. It would force Republicans into condemning their own base or being viewed as condoning racism.
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eratosthenes8
March 21, 2010 12:27 AM in reply to PepperoniToni
If only Democrats had balls.
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wial
March 21, 2010 12:35 AM
In the video I saw, I couldn't hear the reprehensible language, but one of the protestors near Lewis definitely had a confederate flag wrapped around his head, so it could easily have been him.
Not to worry, with better health care and hopefully education, their kind will be a thing of the past soon enough.
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Joe
March 21, 2010 12:53 AM
These "teabaggers" are FOXHOLES!
Fox created them.
Hate Radio encouraged them.
Our Corporate Controlled Conservative Press (CCCP, where have you seen that acronym before?) encourages every step they take.
They do not have what it takes to be an a-hole.
They don't even have what it takes to be a b-hole.
They are FOXHOLES.
They are Screwpert Murdoch's brood and they need to be sent a message that as long as they act like FOXHOLES, there is no place for them.
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Sir T
March 21, 2010 11:24 AM in reply to Joe
Then vice president George H W Hush said pictures of Iraq using chemical weapons on Kurds were faked.
Fun to be there eh?
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shooter242
March 21, 2010 7:53 AM
Well good morning all you bigots. Still nothing proving your most heartfelt allegations. But it's just remarkable how in protesting slurs, you indulge in them. "Teabagger" is a new slur that I see in nearly every post here, and yet you are desperate to point fingers elsewhere. Tsk.
Enjoy your hatefest, and know that this is surely the liberal equivalent of a KKK meeting. Maybe you could go with pink sheets?
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SchoolyT
March 21, 2010 8:36 AM in reply to shooter242
It's hard NOT to hate that which is horribly wrong. BTW, the term teabagger was coined by...wait for it...the teabaggers! They had no problem at all with it until they were told it had a different meaning.
When they've had a few lynchings and their blood spilled at other's hand as they fight for their "cause", then maybe there would be a reason for the term to take on a hateful connotation deserving condemnation as the epithets they hurl so freely do.
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SchoolyT
March 21, 2010 8:39 AM in reply to shooter242
But we wouldn't want to be burdened with history now would we, shooter? If there isn't holographic or HD video of it, it must not have happened.
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JNagarya
March 21, 2010 11:38 AM in reply to shooter242
Hitler ALSO hated, demonized, and marked for extermination LIBERALS.
You're known by the company you keep, America-hating slug.
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mikedrevguy
March 21, 2010 12:33 PM in reply to shooter242
http://www.salon.com/news/healthcare_reform/index.html?story=/opinion/walsh/politics/2010/03/20/tea_party_racism
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P White
March 21, 2010 8:32 AM
I want to see R's come to the floor and denounce this behavior in the strongest terms. What I will find absolutely intolerable is anyone who adds a "...BUT" I've already seen plenty of this on other sites and as the dreaded Dr Phil says, "...BUT" just means "disregard what I just said". Condemn it...period.
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crazycarnypoptart
March 21, 2010 8:52 AM
This is a smart move by the democrats, so now the gop can either denounce the tea party protestors which could alienate a large portion of their base and many of them are in the middle of primary challenges against tea party supported ultraconservative candidates or they can do nothing and further alienate minorities and homosexuals.
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Odel Roo
March 21, 2010 9:04 AM in reply to crazycarnypoptart
That is just asinine - denounce the sum total of the protesters because of a few douche-bags? C'mon that make about as much sense as denouncing the Dem Party for alot of the comments made here a TPM.
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JEP07
March 21, 2010 11:25 AM in reply to Odel Roo
so, you're saying 100 prejudiced bigots out of 200 total protesters constitutes a miscreant minute minority?
Republicans have such a way with numbers!
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Odel Roo
March 21, 2010 1:11 PM in reply to JEP07
really? 100 out of 200 protesters hurled these insults? - HOLY SHIT!!! I didn't see that story reported! You're right and I stand corrected. WTF was I thinking... I thought it was just a few miscreants.
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JNagarya
March 21, 2010 11:49 AM in reply to Odel Roo
We don't hear any of the teabaggers there denouncing the racism, or the homophobia. In fact, the reports are that the teabaggers who were present when Frank was subjected to the slur laughed.
I doubt they laugh when THEY are called nasty names.
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Odel Roo
March 21, 2010 1:17 PM in reply to JNagarya
here ya go - http://tinyurl.com/ybwj2wa The story is also at politco.
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JNagarya
March 21, 2010 1:30 PM in reply to Odel Roo
So tell "Shooter" about it: for Republican'ts and teabaggers to denounce the slurs then they must first admit they happened.
And as Republican'ts and teabaggers never lie, "Shooter" can belive them.
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sabatia
March 21, 2010 9:04 AM
That the Teapartiers shout racist and homophobic remarks is not remarkable at all. We have suspected that this kind of bigotry underlies many of their "policy disputes." Fortunately, they have done us a big service. This kind of nastiness doesn't only offend black and gay people, it offends moderates. It undermines the credibility of everything that the right-wing claims to believe. I am glad that the Teapartiers are finally outed as anti-American values jerks. This causes serious harm to their ranting idiotic "policy disputes." I am glad.
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JNagarya
March 21, 2010 11:53 AM in reply to sabatia
They've advertised their racism with their signs. Doubtless "Shooter" develops blindness when those photos are shown.
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mikedrevguy
March 21, 2010 9:15 AM
Are you kidding - gop and the fox'news' network don't have the leadership skill to make this sort of comment to 'there' people. These extremists are their bread n' butter of late - and why would they want to in any way antagonize them. The teabaggers (won't even dignify if with capitalization) are finally able to say in a public forum things that many in the gop have long stood for in silence. the congressional gop will not risk alienating these 'important' swing voters when they think they're gonna need them come November.
the teaparty people (hence a strong contingent of the gop) have ridden patriotism and religion to the dangerous level of nationalistic blindness - they have so fought to justify their own sense of entitlement to the denigration of those they see as different from themself - the ultimate form of selfishness -
teaparty = the new Nationalistic-Selfishness Party: yes friends, they are the new NatSee Party -
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mikedrevguy
March 21, 2010 11:46 AM in reply to mikedrevguy
That should read 'their' people; gotta love early mornings, eh? how many other typos?
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Sailormarlowe
March 21, 2010 9:18 AM
Denounce this, nerdling.
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Reefdancer
March 21, 2010 9:42 AM
So, did batshit crazy bachmann apologize?
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ikoiko
March 21, 2010 10:07 AM
1) Why does Ryan want REPUBLICANS to condemn the slurs? The Tea Bag party has plenty of democrats in it, why is he not condemning them himself?
2) As to Barney Frank, who was called "Communist Homosexual", which part is a slur? He is openly gay, and had a boyfriend run a call-boy ring from his house (check the Congressional record, he was censured for it), and then had a boyfriend who was a high-level exec at Fannie mae, whom he protected, by attacking the Bush admin for wanting to investigate Fannie Mae. He accused the Bush admin of "professional lynching" of Fannie Mae's CEO at the time, who is black. It turns out that that CEO commited financial fraud, and that the Bushie were right. Did Ryan condemn Frank for falsely accusing the president for being racist or for the fact that he totally fell on the job in his overview of Sallie Mae? no? exactly.
Frank also has stated that he wants to control the banks and set salary levels for all job levels in the U.S. If that's not communist, what is?
And his demands also come after the bang-up job he's done with everything else: loans, sallie Mae, bank oversights...
Why does Ryan assume that republicans said the N word? How does he know that it wasn't democrats, and why doesn't he condemn anyone (he just whines that republicans need to condemn these people). Republicans did not say that Obama was clean, well-spoken and light-skinned,for a Black man; Reid, Biden and Kennedy did, and all are DEMO-CRITS!
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SchrodingersCat
March 21, 2010 10:21 AM in reply to ikoiko
I do not think that word "plenty" means what you think it means.
Ummm.....he did:
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JNagarya
March 21, 2010 10:26 AM in reply to ikoiko
The only individuals who have condemned it are Democrats, and probably some independents. The Republicans are silent on the issue.
You too fail to condemn the slurs by attempting -- and failing -- to point away from yourself at Ryan.
Why are YOU FALSELY claiming that Ryan DIDN'T condemn the hate-speech? -- so YOU can avoid condemning that you APPROVE?
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Humanity_Critic
March 21, 2010 11:00 AM in reply to ikoiko
"Tea Bag party has plenty of democrats in it, why is he not condemning them himself?"
The Tea Party has no Democrats in it, stop lying. The whole bowel movement is about hating that a black man is commander in chief. That is the ugly truth.
"2) As to Barney Frank, who was called "Communist Homosexual","
He was actually called a "Faggot".
"Why does Ryan assume that republicans said the N word?"
Because their history of racism and bigotry is well documented.
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calbearinillinois
March 21, 2010 1:17 PM in reply to Humanity_Critic
In fact, when a new "Tea Party" was set up in Nevada recently, the fact that an organizer had any prior involvement with Democrats was enough to condemn it as a "fake" group.
The TP folks started off claiming they weren't affiliated with any party, but at this point it has become clear that only conservatives are welcome, which these days means Dems need not apply.
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lodown
March 21, 2010 10:10 AM
Everyone here realizes why shooter and co. are demanding "proof" that these ugly incidents happened, right? It's because they don't believe gay and black people to tell the truth, particularly gay and black Democrats.
Despicable.
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Odel Roo
March 21, 2010 10:42 AM in reply to lodown
Wow - really? You really believe that. hahha yer too funny!
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Texar
March 21, 2010 10:41 AM
The 'baggers are exposing themselves as the bigots we've always known them to be. Let them cling to their guns and their hatred as modernity surrounds them. Let them rewrite textbooks and pretend that Jefferson was insignificant and Joe McCarthy was a statesman. Let them long for the eight year period when appearances by the president were rehearsed and invitation only --when a critical t-shirt or bumper sticker would invite harassment and ejection. The teabaggers want a return to the 1950's, when minorities and women knew their places, and white was right. What they fear most is education and compassion, and a generational shift toward making certain that everyone gets an opportunity to define happiness for themselves.
Once this meager step toward insurance reform has been taken and people actually begin to benefit, what will these cowards do?
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Odel Roo
March 21, 2010 10:55 AM in reply to Texar
OMG... you a so right on... that is exactly what those dirty 'baggers' want. You sure do have a profound insight into the 'bagger' mind! Kudos to you!
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SchoolyT
March 21, 2010 11:01 AM in reply to Odel Roo
It's not hard 'cause it's pretty dark and empty in there. We did find an empty C-rat can and a John Wayne kicking around in there.
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JEP07
March 21, 2010 11:12 AM in reply to SchoolyT
"a profound insight into the 'bagger' mind..."
Those depths are not hard to plumb. I doubt it takes anything close to "profound insight" to fathom the 'bagger mind.
Stupid is as stupid does.
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Odel Roo
March 21, 2010 12:47 PM in reply to SchoolyT
lol - nice
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Texar
March 21, 2010 11:10 AM in reply to Odel Roo
So, since you can't refute, what will you do?
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Odel Roo
March 21, 2010 12:49 PM in reply to Texar
Refute what exactly?
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Texar
March 21, 2010 1:23 PM in reply to Odel Roo
Short attention span --must be the 'roids.
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Odel Roo
March 21, 2010 1:30 PM in reply to Texar
no seriously - refute what... you give an overly stereotypical and false premise... what is there to refute.
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Texar
March 21, 2010 1:45 PM in reply to Odel Roo
Baggers are bigots masquerading as patriots, is that clear enough? Teabaggers "want our country back," so exactly which country are they referring to? Listen to the epithets hurled at true patriots like John Lewis. Read their signs, observe the lily white constituency, examine their revisionist version of the past eight years. Refute that. You can't, and there will never be enough guns (or biceps, for that matter) to overcome what will occur in a very short while. You lose, and you know that by now or you wouldn't have such a difficult time refuting the truth.
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Odel Roo
March 21, 2010 2:04 PM in reply to Texar
Baggers are bigots masquerading as patriots, is that clear enough?
Again you over generalize as if you know what is in the heart of each of these people. What do you consider a patriot?
Teabaggers "want our country back," so exactly which country are they referring to? I'm sure they are referring to their idea of the USA. Same claim as when Dems say the same general statement.
Listen to the epithets hurled at true patriots like John Lewis.
I have tried seriously to listen to the youtube links and I did not hear it. I'm not saying any of it didn't occur, it very may well have and if so I don't condone it. But a few shit heads do not make up all the entirety of the 'baggers'
Read their signs, dude - they are just signs.
observe the lily white constituency - really? What does that really say? It is interesting.
examine their revisionist version of the past eight years. Refute that. Can't as I am not sure what that exactly you are referring to.
and there will never be enough guns (or biceps, for that matter) LOL nice.
to overcome what will occur in a very short while. You lose, lose what? In my opinion we will all lose.
and you know that by now or you wouldn't have such a difficult time refuting the truth. Truth-depends on the paradigm.
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ikoiko
March 21, 2010 10:52 AM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2010/mar/20/congressman-claims-health-care-bill-protesters-hur/
here's a link to a video. how many slurs do you hear?
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SchoolyT
March 21, 2010 10:58 AM in reply to ikoiko
Your boys Boehner and Steele have been on the Sunday talk circuit basically admitting that it occurred. Believe it that, if it were a Dem hoax, they would be all over it.
Pencils down. You fail. All we see are a bunch of doodles on your exam.
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JNagarya
March 21, 2010 11:46 AM in reply to SchoolyT
They'll successfully alienate the majority -- and increasingly: wait till they start showing up at the polls armed on election day. That will implicate a lengthy legal history which prohibits anyone other than law enforcement being armed at the polls, and for obvious reasons.
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Dorn76
March 21, 2010 11:18 AM in reply to ikoiko
Who really cares what you believe happened?
Only children throw a brick through a window and then say they don't know how all that glass got on the floor.
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farnsworth
March 21, 2010 1:10 PM in reply to ikoiko
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
I refer only to your video, not to the well-documented and highly-witnessed incidents under discussion.
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SchoolyT
March 21, 2010 10:54 AM
"And his demands also come after the bang-up job he's done with everything else: loans, sallie Mae, bank oversights..."
Can't let you get away with that lie. Lesssee, who was Pres? A guy with a W for his middle initial? Ya think he would have allowed any control? Nope! Their thinking was that this kinda stuff happens and a free market will correct itself. So, you bemoan how that worked out, but your blame is totally misplaced. So, credit to you to get half of it right.
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MASON
March 21, 2010 10:55 AM
OT: Today's NYT story on Pelosi's involvement in resuscitating HCR after the Brown win in MA is a must read. It needs it's own discussion, IMO.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/health/policy/21reconstruct.html?hp
I give Obama credit where credit is due for his involvement and effort in pushing reform over the past weeks, but it seems that Pelosi has been the strongest force behind reform. She outmuscled Rahm on this, who was advising Obama to pursue a slim downed bill.
If (hopefully when) this bill is signed into law, history will show it is has much Pelosi's accomplishment as it is Obama, and I think we will see a very powerful political alliance emerge between the two. She has shown her courage and grit.
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shooter242
March 21, 2010 2:29 PM
Well, folks it seems you've been duped, made fools of, revealed yourselves to be bigots of the first order, and race baiters.
Keep up the good work.
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Odel Roo
March 21, 2010 2:30 PM in reply to shooter242
lol... hit and run
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