
Democrats have a spring in their step, suddenly feeling quite confident health care reform is actually going to happen. The particulars are still being worked out, but the majority party sees the pathway ahead and lawmakers and their staff tell us it's the end game for real.
Sen. Daniel Akaka said in an interview yesterday he knew the hurdles had been cleared when he saw his colleagues ease off their tough stances on the public option and other elements of health care. "It was seeing senators letting go," Akaka (D-HI) told me at a reception following the Progressive Media Summit hosted by Senate Democrats.
While Akaka said he strongly supports the public option, he does not think the votes are there. He said that freed up Democrats to push forward for the best bill they can get, and House aides told me privately they agree.
There's a sense of momentum on health care that Democrats haven't felt for months, even when the Senate passed its bill Christmas Eve, Democrats said. What's more, the majority party is united in realizing they should be painting Republicans as obstructionists at every turn.
Republicans say they will try to block the final health care reform legislation as much as possible, with more ability to slow down the process in the Senate than the House due to the reconciliation process. Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R-AZ) yesterday said it's likely the GOP will raise points of order against the package of fixes Democrats will push through using the limited reconciliation rules.
"If they want to do that, make 'em talk and talk, nights and weekends if needed," Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) told me in an interview at the summit. "Show they are recalcitrant and let them stand on the sidelines."
Akaka said in his decades in Congress he's never seen anyone raise the issue challenging the parliamentarian's ruling on reconciliation.
FreeRider
March 11, 2010 9:36 AM
Q: If the Republicans believe passing HCR will destroy the Democrats' majority in both houses, why are they trying so hard to stop HCR from passing?
A: Because Republicans really, really care about the Democrats' electoral prospects and are trying to save them from themselves.
By the way, I'm the Queen of Scotland.
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Brownbagger
March 11, 2010 9:38 AM in reply to FreeRider
And I am the Lord of LOL!
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Moose49
March 11, 2010 10:37 AM in reply to Brownbagger
And I am the Generalissimo of Moosylvania.
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storm
March 11, 2010 9:41 AM in reply to FreeRider
Mary, the claim will be that it will destroy the country along with the democrats.
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FreeRider
March 11, 2010 9:52 AM in reply to storm
Based on their record, it's an uphill battle to convince us that they care about either.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
March 11, 2010 10:15 AM in reply to storm
You say that like you think they think that would be a bad thing notwithstanding the evidence of the Bush/Cheney/DeLay/Frist years.
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Peter Principle
March 11, 2010 10:57 AM in reply to FreeRider
A: Because Republicans really, really care about the Democrats' electoral prospects and are trying to save them from themselves.
Actually, it's because they realize that HCR would be so terrible for the country, that they're willing to sacrifice the short-term political gains that would come from passage in order to spare the American people the horrors of socialism.
And I'm the King of Siam.
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George C
March 11, 2010 11:24 AM in reply to FreeRider
Kidding aside, it's still a really interesting question. Logically, the only operative conclusions are 1) they really think passing HCR will help the Dems; and 2) they think we're really close. No other construct really makes sense.
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readerOfTeaLeaves
March 11, 2010 3:57 PM in reply to George C
Precisely.
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CityGuy
March 11, 2010 4:10 PM in reply to readerOfTeaLeaves
Exactly!
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njlib
March 11, 2010 12:47 PM in reply to FreeRider
let the Reps run health care, the Dems need to counter with running on passing a Medicare for all buy in public option by 2012. Which is even more popular than the current bill. If dems play it right it could mean single payer by 2016.
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socraticgadfly
March 11, 2010 5:11 PM in reply to FreeRider
Per the pic, health care "reform" might be passed before Lautenberg croaks.
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FreeRider
March 11, 2010 6:18 PM in reply to socraticgadfly
Who the fuck are you--Jim Bunning? You think you know when people with cancer are gonna die?
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SpiderPig
March 11, 2010 9:39 AM
They're still talking and we're still waiting. Show me Obama's signature on an HCR bill and then I'll believe them.
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FreeRider
March 11, 2010 9:41 AM in reply to SpiderPig
Wet blanket.
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Jackster
March 11, 2010 9:52 AM in reply to SpiderPig
Second that, I'll see it when I believe it, or, uh.....
If their actually saying they're that close, they damned well better be.
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Maritza
March 11, 2010 9:40 AM
Get this done!!!!
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Brownbagger
March 11, 2010 9:44 AM
What's more, the majority party is united in realizing they should be painting Republicans as obstructionists at every turn.
Duh!
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mans_best_friend
March 11, 2010 9:50 AM in reply to Brownbagger
One doesn't know whether to laugh or cry.
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FreeRider
March 11, 2010 9:51 AM in reply to mans_best_friend
I'm laughing at your post and crying that the Dems only recently had this "Aha!" moment.
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geofu54
March 11, 2010 9:52 AM in reply to Brownbagger
Duh! is exactly right...
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geofu54
March 11, 2010 9:52 AM
PASS. THE. DAMN. BILL!!!
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Jackster
March 11, 2010 9:53 AM
Ram it down their throats on Good Friday!
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Brownbagger
March 11, 2010 9:57 AM in reply to Jackster
Uuuuuuh! I like it! RESURRECTION!!!
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lkt
March 11, 2010 10:48 AM in reply to Jackster
I say Rahm it down their throats!
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ogliberal
March 11, 2010 10:48 AM
Good to see Lautenberg back in DC and looking pretty good.
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bdtex
March 11, 2010 11:49 AM
Heard yesterday that Stupak has drawn a primary challenge. Excellent.
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darkrhyme
March 11, 2010 12:55 PM
The GOP is terrified that HCR will pass. These clowns would last about 2 hands in poker. They can't bluff for shit.
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Brownbagger
March 11, 2010 2:28 PM in reply to darkrhyme
Check.
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mrdufus2u
March 11, 2010 3:27 PM
Isn't that a terrorist fist bump that Pelosi and Lautenberg are doing?
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Mateo123
March 11, 2010 3:42 PM
Somehow I don't believe this. As a Democrat, I can say this: we eat our own. Consider that when we started this debate, the goal -- with sixty Democratic senators -- was to get a bipartisan solution through the Senate. That was just absolute hogwash. We could have taken a bill drafted by Mike Enzi or Chuck Grassley and the GOP would not have voted for it.
So, forgive me if I am reluctant to join the chorus that says we're close to passing and enacting health care reform.
At the same time, I think the final passage will boost our November election chances. Hey, the public likes winners. I know, few will admit this out loud, but independents are leader followers. They want someone that is getting something done. They loved President Bush when he went to Congress to get the war bill passed. At that time - in October 2002 -- somewhere around 75% of independents supported President Bush. And, this was all age categories. Likewise in September of 2005, Bush's approval was around 40% -- largely because of Katrina.
Now, the trick with health care is to make sure, absolutely, that a bill gets done AND that a Congress gets out there and explains why this bill is a good bill. You have to contest Kucinich as much as you have to contest McConnell. They're both wrong - and so is leaving 50,000,000 people without insurance. This bill will alleviate that problem and that is a great first step.
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zonk
March 11, 2010 3:49 PM
I think we still need one more CBO score...
Once we've got the revised CBO estimate with the sidecar fixes factored in (I believe this morning's was just the revised final senate version) - assuming it still comes out at minimum, budget neutral, I think we'll finally, finally, finally have our vote, bill, and signing.
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readerOfTeaLeaves
March 11, 2010 3:55 PM
Second, in view of that fact, it's pretty funny to see the GOP continuing to blindly obstruct.
Third, if the Dems don't make those GOPers '... talk and talk, nights and weekends', then the Dems aren't worth a bowl of cold soup.
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twirling fartknocker
March 11, 2010 4:34 PM
And maybe before November, a full two years since the last congressional election, they'll move past the "realizing" and actually do something about it.
But then I'm a dreamer...
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willia451
March 11, 2010 6:04 PM
Firedoglake reports their House Whip Count as of today:
189 Yes
202 No
There may be more behind those numbers than meets the eye (i.e., if it passes by one vote, I think the dems would be fine with that). But, on its face, underwhelming to say the least.
We'll see.
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FreeRider
March 11, 2010 6:19 PM in reply to willia451
I'm sure Jim Clyburn has Hamsher on speed dial and keeps her up to date on the house whip counts.
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Auduboner
March 11, 2010 7:12 PM
So they all feel fine and comfortable with passing a POS that has Mandates and no Public Option? Well, that fine and comfortable feeling will last about until, oh, say, November.
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Nancy Irving
March 12, 2010 12:23 AM in reply to Auduboner
I am--even though I am not at all satisfied with the Senate bill as is.
When the first Social Security bill passed, it had been watered down to the point that work typically done by either women or blacks was excluded from the system. This was done, of course, to secure the votes of southerners and other conservatives, without which the bill would never have become law. The deficiencies were later rectified, as I think we can be confident that the deficiencies in the HCR bill will eventually (if not necessarily immediately) be rectified. If it passes. If it doesn't pass, there will be nothing to rectify, and we will get zilch.
So I am not only fine and comfortable with passing the Senate bill, I am extremely anxious that we pass it.
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hrayovac
March 11, 2010 10:21 PM
The way Obama has handled this reminds me of the film Lion in Winter (hang in and forgive the obscurity and paraphrasing). King Henry II of England, by himself, visits the room where Phillip the King of France is waiting alone to have a secret negotiation with Henry. Phillip shows his cleverness, his upper hand in his quest for land and the battles he would win against England if Henry does not agree to terms. Henry after listening silently, abruptly says, "Good night" to which Phillip in shock says, "but you haven't negotiated" and Henry says, "Because I've won. You've told me your every move, how you think and I've told you nothing. That to these old eyes of mine is what I call winning."
In other words, Obama let the astro-turf riots happen, let the Republican challenges get plenty of exposure, then whittled away every point..without committing to his absolute bottom line until it was necessary. While the left was freaking out, Obama kept his ego in check. Whether we get public option right away or not, the framework is going to be in place.
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