
This morning, Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin said that he would whip for a public option if one is included in the House's reconciliation package. This was great news to progressives, who yesterday attacked Durbin for saying he'd whip against a public option if it was not in the House package.
But then House Speaker Nancy Pelosi burst the bubble at her weekly press conference.
"We're talking about something that's not going to be part of the legislation," she said. "I'm quite sad that a public option isn't in there. But it isn't a case of it's not in there because the Senate is whipping against it. It's not in there because they don't have the votes to have it in there."
Durbin says he'll only whip for a public option if there's one in the House reconciliation. Pelosi says there's no public option in the legislation.
Although those progressive groups will keep pushing for a public option, the resistance -- already so clear from the White House -- is now coming from all sides.
shooter242
March 12, 2010 4:58 PM
Good God. Do Democrats have no sense of what's possible and what isn't. Of course not. Believing in pixie dust and fairytales is the Democrat way.
Folks, you get the Senate bill or nothing. It's either/or and just that simple. If you don't vote in favor of the Senate bill, you're done. There is no second act.
You can't change the Senate bill, you can't reconcile anything, you can't make up stuff about a public option.
Gad, what ninnies.
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SchrodingersCat
March 12, 2010 5:44 PM in reply to shooter242
Yeah, kind of like believing cutting taxes will lead to increased revenues...or how Ronaldus Maximus never raised taxes and balanced the budget...or how George W. kept us safe for 8 yrs...or how torture worked...or how we'd be treated as liberators....
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
March 12, 2010 6:07 PM in reply to SchrodingersCat
Or Saddam had WMD's and was in league with Al Qaeda, we'd be greeted by the Iraqi's as liberators, we'd be out of Iraq in a year, the Iraqi's could pay for their own reconstruction, we could start a new war without finishing the one we were already in first, or we could take a single dollar of Social Security tax and spend it on current benefits and, simultaneously, deposit that exact same dollar into a private account, or we could gut FEMA without anything very bad happening, or . . .
People who've spent the last eight to ten years pointing out that the Republican Party has degenerated into a mass exercise in delusional thinking get to castigate other Democrats for not being sufficiently realistic. People who spent the last ten years sharing the Cheney/Bush crackpipe need to go to rehab and then go spread the gospel of sanity to Glenn Beck's devoted followers.
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shooter242
March 13, 2010 7:31 AM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Wah! How that hopey changey thing working out for you?
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NR
March 12, 2010 5:15 PM
And that's enough to zero out my donations to the Democratic party. Let them get money from Blue Cross and Aetna - that's who they're working for now.
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FreeRider
March 12, 2010 6:18 PM in reply to NR
Good riddance. See ya!
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PeachesNYC
March 13, 2010 4:14 PM in reply to NR
NR? Does that stand for National Review?
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Progressive Party
March 12, 2010 5:30 PM
This is a sad day in Mudville and any remaining enthuiasm is gone! No vision or fight is evident in this failure to lead and do the right thing...
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
March 12, 2010 7:06 PM in reply to Progressive Party
History will tell who has truly been lacking in vision in this fight. Right now, if we're betting on who history is going to deem the blind ones, my money like Chait's, is still on people the people who keep talking like you do.
Here's the money quotes for those who don't want to click on the link:
Emphasis is mine.
That's what those of us who are onboard are talking about when we lose patience (hardly an uncommon occurance for either side in this fight) and talk about "unicorns and rainbows." We have enough understanding of history--history in the sense of what happened before whatever year it was that we realized we actually cared who was president--that we fully realize that "[n]early any of the great political advances in American history, viewed from ground level, looked like a pastiche of grubby compromises and half measures."
And we recognize that this is one of them and it looks exactly the way anyone with any real understanding of American history, or indeed any understanding of how things happen in a pluralistic democracies in general, would expect it to look. Unsatisfactory. Less than anyone wants. Tangled and overly complex and larded up with stuff we hate.
But better than what we have now and better than anything else we stand any realistic chance of getting any time soon because this is what happens when social progress meets democracy in a system that is functionally (or dysfunctionally) equivilent to a multiparty parlimentary system.
Better. That's what you can get and when it's in reach you take it and then you keep trying to build on it and make it better still.
The only people on the left who can't see that it's better are the ones who are so invested in their own need to have been right all along that they resort to to fact-free prognostications about how the insurance companies will sell "worthless" policies (because, after all no insurance company in the history of the Republic has ever paid for medical bills). Or the one about how the fact that the proposed law still allows recission for fraud necessarily means they will continue to rescind on the basis of undisclosed preexisting conditions. Never mind that that assertion is demonstrably false if you know anything about law--it must be true because if it isn't, the firebagger line both wrong and immoral.
Or you know, maybe I'm wrong. I'll at least admit that possibility. Maybe this will be the worstest, most awfulest thing that could ever happened to the American People and nothing truly is better than this bill. Letting people die for lack of insurance is preferable to this bill. And maybe the certainty that if it dies, we'll be handing Congress over to the Republicans for the next four years isn't even a valid consideration.
But right now, like you, I can only see what I can see and history will judge which of us see furthest.
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NR
March 12, 2010 7:25 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
This is just the same "Pass it now and we'll fix it later" argument that we've heard over and over and over again throughout this process. Well, guess what? We've heard that argument before. Lots of time.
We were told "Pass NAFTA now and we'll fix it later" and it never got fixed.
We were told "Pass 'No Child Left Behind' now and we'll fix it later" and it never got fixed.
We were told "Pass the Patriot Act now and we'll fix it later" and it never got fixed.
There is no reason to believe that this bill will be any different. None.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
March 12, 2010 10:24 PM in reply to NR
OMFG! The only four laws ever passed in the history of the Republic! Yes, given that that's the entirity of the United States Code, truly your cynicism is well founded.
Never mind that that's also what they said about Social Security, the Fair Labor Standards Act, and most every other New Deal law that's still with us today. Or Medicare, Medicaid, The Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act, the Endangered Species Act, OSHA, MSHA, the Food and Drug Act, and a hundred other acts that were inadequate at the time but were slowly and steadily improved.
Oh, and actually, PATRIOT, NCLB, and NAFTA have all been changed and improved since they were passed. PATRIOT less than the other two and none at the rate you or I might wish, but acting like there's been no change for the better in any of them is just wrong.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
March 12, 2010 5:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGFXGwHsD_A
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bluebell
March 12, 2010 6:09 PM
They can pass whatever but just don't insult us by calling it "healthcare reform" or implying that this is universal healthcare.
And no, Dems, you do not earn any money or any vote from me by passing this bill. It may do a little for a few people. It may be better than nothing. It may not be better than nothing if it allows you to pretend you've done the job. You haven't done the job.
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NR
March 12, 2010 6:16 PM in reply to bluebell
The fix was in from the beginning. As Glenn Greenwald pointed out today, the Democrats pretended to be for the public option until it looked like it might actually happen, then the knives came out. They never wanted real health care reform - they just wanted a bill to enrich the private insurance companies. Well, they got it.
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bluebell
March 12, 2010 6:28 PM in reply to NR
And what was with their latest pretend game when they got 40 Senators to claim they supported something they knew they would never vote for? Who were they playing to with that sad act? Oh, I know who.
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FreeRider
March 12, 2010 6:20 PM in reply to bluebell
Dems don't expect to earn your money and/or vote since you declared more than a year ago that you left the Democratic party and would never vote for or give money to Democrats again. *yawns*
Can you keep your word and get the fuck out? Take NR (nearly retarded) with you, OK?
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Watt Childress
March 13, 2010 12:00 PM
Americans deserve an up-or-down vote on Medicare Buy-In. I believe we deserve that even if it it is in a separate bill from the private insurance mandate package that is becoming the signature policy for the Democratic Party.
Rep. Alan Grayson has introduced Medicare Buy-In legislation in the House. It's only 4 pages long.
Linked below is a recent whip count for the mandate package. Don't see the votes there yet. Another good reason for moving forward with Medicare Buy-In is so that there is the possibility of incremental improvement even if all else falls short of passage.
http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/03/12/new-health-care-whip-count-191-yes-202-no/
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