
Tea partiers and other anti-health care activists are known to get rowdy, but today's protest on Capitol Hill--the day before the House is set to vote on historic health care legislation--went beyond the usual chanting and controversial signs, and veered into ugly bigotry and intimidation.
Civil rights hero Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) and fellow Congressional Black Caucus member Andre Carson (D-IN) related a particularly jarring encounter with a large crowd of protesters screaming "kill the bill"... and punctuating their chants with the word "nigger."
Standing next to Lewis, emerging from a Democratic caucus meeting with President Obama, Carson said people in the crowd yelled, "kill the bill and then the N-word" several times, while he and Lewis were exiting the Cannon House office building.
"People have been just downright mean," Lewis added.
And that wasn't an isolated incident. Early this afternoon, standing outside a Democratic whip meeting in the Longworth House office building, I watched Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) make his way out the door, en route to the neighboring Rayburn building. As he rounded the corner toward the exit, wading through a huge crowd of tea partiers and other health care protesters, an elderly white man screamed "Barney, you faggot"--a line that caused dozens of his confederates to erupt in laughter.
After that incident, Capitol police threatened to expel the protesters from the building, but were outnumbered and quickly overwhelmed. Tea party protesters equipped with high-end video cameras were summoned to film the encounter and the officers ultimately relented.
After the caucus meeting, TPMDC's Evan McMorris-Santoro caught up with Frank, who reflected on the incident.
"I'm disappointed at a unwillingness to be just civil," Frank said. "[T]he objection to the health care bill has become a proxy for other sentiments."
"Obviously there are perfectly reasonable people that are against this, but the people out there today on the whole--many of them were hateful and abusive," Frank added.
Asked by TPMDC whether today's protesters were more hateful than at other rallies, Frank took issue with party leaders for aligning themselves with the movement.
I do think the leaders of the movement, and this was true of some of the Republicans last year, that they think they are benefiting from this rancor. I mean there are a couple who--you know, Michele Bachmann's rhetoric is inflamatory as well as wholly baseless. And I think there are people there, a few that encourage it.
"If this was my cause, and I saw this angry group yelling and shouting and being so abusive to people, I would ask them to please stop it," Frank concluded. "I think they do more harm than good."
Shortly thereafter, the same group of people surrounded Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) as he entered a first-floor elevator. Above the cacophony, I heard one man call Waxman a "crook" and a "liar."
"This is incredible," House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-SC) told reporters of the slurs. "It's shocking to me." He said he hadn't heard such vitriol since March 15, 1960 when he was protesting segregation laws that forced him to sit in the back of buses. "A lot of us have been saying for a long time that much of this, much of this, is not about health care at all," Clyburn said. "I think a lot of those people today demonstrated this is not about health care."
What is it about, a reporter asked?
"It's about trying to extend a basic fundamental right to people who are less powerful."
jdb316
March 20, 2010 6:00 PM
So much for the idea that people can protest in a civil fashion.
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docrocktex
March 20, 2010 6:06 PM in reply to jdb316
So much for the idea that the teabaggers aren't motivated in part by racism and bigotry.
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GTFOOH
March 20, 2010 7:05 PM in reply to docrocktex
Should we expect any less? Teabaggers are a creation of Dick Army.
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DirtyLibrul
March 20, 2010 8:00 PM in reply to GTFOOH
You mean they ARE a dick army...
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GTFOOH
March 20, 2010 8:14 PM in reply to DirtyLibrul
...good one!
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Jacob
August 16, 2010 8:34 AM in reply to GTFOOH
Last I checked, the likes of me provided Obama with the worst Presidental approval rating for time in office EVER. Also, the last I checked, the latest elections had the likes of me booting Deeds, Corzine and Coakley (she was running for Dead Man Kennedy's seat!)out of ofice. And the last I checked, two in three of the likes of me dissapproved of ObamaCare, recognizing that it is a sham! That would put YOU in the super-minority.
As to the issue of deportation, you think things are heating up now, wait until you losers try to legalize the illegals. I can hardly wait.
funny motivational posters
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Libertyluvrz
March 21, 2010 8:33 AM in reply to DirtyLibrul
Favorite of the day!
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jron
March 20, 2010 7:32 PM in reply to docrocktex
well, Democrats DID take away their right not to have a black president. Of course they're still angry.
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JEP07
March 21, 2010 9:54 AM in reply to jron
...and now they are constantly culturally cornered by that stark reality, slowly realizing that it is both too late to prevent and despite their desperate birtherism, there is no way to reverse it.
But beware the cornered beast, the more desperate they become, the more likely we will see some sort of violence flare up and their membership fall off to the most angry among them.
As their numbers distill down to their lowest common denominators, we will no doubt find prejudice and intolerance as the last real refuge for these scoundrels, all wrapped up in Old Glory and singing "The Star Spangled Banner" even as they claw away at the very foundations of our personal freedoms.
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Cal Gal
March 21, 2010 2:50 PM in reply to jron
They just want their racist, lily white heterosexual country back.
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Rich Mason
March 21, 2010 1:52 PM in reply to docrocktex
Hmmm. Odd how with the most publicized political event in recent memory, NOT A SINGLE CAMERA OR RECORDING DEVICE PICKED UP THESE WORDS.(oops, my homophobia and racism is showing)
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JEP07
March 21, 2010 2:08 PM in reply to Rich Mason
Well, it's even more odd how there are so many recordings of it, and people still promote the false meme that there aren't any such records. Is that the newest form of ultimate denial? "That 800 lb. gorilla sitting over there ISN'T in the room!"
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Rich Mason
March 21, 2010 2:29 PM in reply to JEP07
Link please and I'll stand corrected. Thanks in advance.
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JEP07
March 21, 2010 2:53 PM in reply to Rich Mason
I really don't believe you are sincere, Rich, you KNOW as well as the rest of us this was a bunch of beefed-up baggers, and that they are perfectly capable of spitting the kinds of epithets they are accused of.
Why do you feel compelled to act as their advocate?
You aren't going to convince anyone here that teabaggers aren't capable of prejudice and bigotry, we've been following their "progress" closely and one would have to be sincerely stupid not to read between some of their lines, some of us grew up hearing those dogwhistles and still hear them from a better perspective.
You seem desperate to protect some delusional honor-bound "conservative fellowship" from facing repercussions because of what some of the political neanderthals among you did. But you are really hooked at the hip.
By their pals ye shall know them?
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Rich Mason
March 21, 2010 3:12 PM in reply to JEP07
"I don't believe that you are sincere"
You may choose to believe whatever you like, but I'm not the one that said, "there are so many recordings of it," Now you come on with more blah blah but no links. You made the above statement knowing at the time you made it that you were not aware of any recordings of this incident.
I don't think you're in a position to question my sincerity. Post links to recordings and I'll stand corrected and thank you as I have sincerely stated.
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francois
March 21, 2010 3:48 PM in reply to Rich Mason
explain this then. You seem quite smug.
"It's not a danger," Steele told NBC's "Meet the Press on Sunday." "It's certainly not a reflection of the movement or the Republican Party when you have idiots out there saying stupid things."
"As Leader Boehner said, that's reprehensible," he said, referring to House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio. "We don't support that."
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Rich Mason
March 21, 2010 3:59 PM in reply to francois
What explanation would be necessary? No one supports that. Thank you for publicizing that the leadership in opposition to health care do not support racism or homo phobia. I'm glad it's not necessary for me to point that out.
If what Lewis and Franks claim happened- did happen, it's an appalling thing.
I'm only pointing out that there were plenty of cameras and recording devices around recording the entire event and yet none of them have captured this.
Odd, don't you think?
There's plenty of rhetoric on this francios--got any links?
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francois
March 21, 2010 4:14 PM in reply to Rich Mason
I suppose you could call it odd. I simply choose to believe these respectable people. Sorry.
I'll keep looking though.
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PatrickJKiger
March 21, 2010 4:26 PM in reply to francois
I guess John Lewis also lied about having been beaten nearly to death during a civil rights protest in the 1960s, right? I don't think there's a video of that, either.
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Rich Mason
March 21, 2010 4:31 PM in reply to francois
Thanks and fair enough.
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wabenzi
March 21, 2010 11:22 PM in reply to Rich Mason
http://sdgln.com/commentary/2010/03/21/tea-bag-protesters-expose-their-bigoted-side
Video of someone calling Barney Frank a f*****t.
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Spiffarino
March 22, 2010 10:14 AM in reply to wabenzi
Presumably Mr. Mason will acknowledge this shortly.
Yup. Any time now...
*crickets*
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Cal Gal
March 21, 2010 2:53 PM in reply to JEP07
Who you gonna believe? The racist tea baggers or your lyin' ears?
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AhTrini1
March 20, 2010 7:35 PM in reply to jdb316
Welcome to post-racial America. These are the "American people" we can all be proud of!
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chimpale
March 20, 2010 10:38 PM in reply to AhTrini1
It's okay. They're angry. That's what every GOP congressman and right-wing pundit will tell you when they're interviewed about it. They're really really angry.
Gee, do you suppose that anger might stem from the incessant line of outrageous bullshit that they're being fed about the health care reform bill? Goddam Fox News-addicted morons.
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JerrySumpter
March 20, 2010 11:32 PM in reply to chimpale
I couldn't agree more. There are at least two section of that camp though -- the (1) privileged and manipulative repugs who screw with the heads of the (2)trusting (Fox-zombied) repugs. Ultimately I feel sorry for the life experience of both; how sad to be a manipulated zombie or a cheating, lying grown-up child.
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RH factor
March 20, 2010 11:36 PM in reply to chimpale
Yes and you want cause trauma of the source they need to hear this at Fox news in NYC. there should be counter protest bigger and more pissed off. Let them know this is not acceptable.
Or is it acceptable - someones needs and check and balance eh?
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MoCrash
March 21, 2010 12:36 PM in reply to chimpale
Irrationally angry, which means mentally unhealthy. People who cannot express themselves on an issue without resorting to this type of abusive behavior should not be let out of their homes, much less be allowed to congregate.
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Rich Mason
March 21, 2010 1:58 PM in reply to chimpale
I think maybe they're angry because they want your hand out of their pockets. Leave us out of it. Keep Obamacare to (and pay for it) yourselves. Punish us by not letting us take"advantage" of it--or admit why you refuse to do so. You can't get your free candy without stealing from those of us who know better.
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JEP07
March 21, 2010 2:15 PM in reply to Rich Mason
"Rich", you can't even sell your candy in the first place without a middle class to consume it, dunderhead.
Stop robbing the commonwealth just to add another zero to your name, better pay your people well, and give up that Bush percentage you are now so addicted to, for the public good, instead complaining about it like a spoiled child protecting his "candy."
Respect the middle class, "Rich," no doubt, unless you hearken back to old southern slave money, (which would explain a great deal of your prejudice towards "other" classes) then it is more than likely the middle class made you rich in the first place.
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Rich Mason
March 21, 2010 2:46 PM in reply to JEP07
"Rich", you can't even sell your candy in the first place without a middle class to consume it, dunderhead.
The above is the most sensible comment (other than my own of course) that I've read on this site. I hope others remember that the next time they're fed the idea that the wealthy want to "destroy" the middle class.
Incidentally, I'm not wealthy, the picture you see is me and I bought that sweater at the GoodWill. I'm poor but I'm not a thief. Government sponsored wealth transfer and class envy is a sucker's game and what I hate about it the most is all of my friends and (maybe) nice guys like you who are being cheated lied to and taken advantage by Rich "liberal" Democrats like Pelosi, Kerry, Feinstein and the late Ted Kennedy who have more money than God, didn't earn any of it and are absolutely laughing at you for being taken in by them. This is completely off topic but seriously, Do you really think the likes of the people I've just named, give a rats ass about you?? Really?? I say this with as much compassion as one stranger can have for another, look BOTH ways before you cross the street my friend, and think again!
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Cal Gal
March 21, 2010 2:57 PM in reply to Rich Mason
"Do you really think the likes of the people I've just named, give a rats ass about you?? Really??"
I REALLY think that the people you name care more about ME than the likes of Karl Rove, Dick Armey, John Boehner, Eric Cantor, and any single other Republican you can name.
You are deluded if you think the party of "I've got mine" cares one whit for you. You ARE the sheeple they are playing with, like Monopoly tokens.
I feel sorry for you that you cannot see that.
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Rich Mason
March 21, 2010 3:50 PM in reply to Cal Gal
Cal Gal, I believe, in all sincerity that you are mistaken. I've become reluctant to defend the politicians you list because I've grown very suspicious of ALL incumbents but I tend to trust people more who tell me the things I don't want to hear- a little more than people who tell me things (they think) I do. I'm sure you would summarize the contrasting messages differently but I'm going to share my summary with you anyway, just for fun. Dick Armey, just to pick one will say "you are the solution to most of your problems, if you want more medical care, it is up to you to find a way to become more productive so you can afford it" Now I'll agree(as does Armey)that there are systemic changes we can make to lower the cost for everybody but ULTIMATELY, it is up to ME to pay for healthcare or ANY OTHER goods and services I need and it is up to everybody else (grown up)to do the same.
The "Pelosi" message is,"never mind your pretty head about the cost, vote for me and we'll just get SOMEONE ELSE to pay the cost of health care for you."
Now while I suppose I would PREFER to believe that "someone else" ("mommy" "daddy" "the evil rich people" "government") ANYBODY BUT ME should pay for my healthcare, deep down inside I know that such is not the case. So even though I may not like what Dick Armey is telling me as much as what Nancy Pelosi is telling me, I tend to trust what Armey says a little more. So, I'm OK with Armey not "caring" about me personally-because that's really not a part of his message. I don't have to believe that Armey "wuvs" me to trust what he says. On the other hand it is absolutely essential that I believe that Pelosi "wuvs" me because it very much is a part of her song and dance. Understand?--and I just don't happen to believe that a several hundred millionaire, cavier-eating-botox-sucking-private-jet-flying-to-the-global-warming -elitist like Pelosi gives me or anyone else but her fellow elitist the slightest thought. Understand?
Hope to see you on the other side (of this debate)someday.
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Cal Gal
March 21, 2010 6:06 PM in reply to Rich Mason
Of course that's not what Nancy says, but when I saw farther down the thread that you're a Randian, your comments finally made "sense," in the sense that you're a follower of a fictional economics.
I'm more of a Donne fan myself: "No man is an island."
BTW, I have a brother with Down Syndrome, and no way in the world he can become "more productive."
I guess you and Ayn think he should just live on the streets and beg or something? Or should I become my brother's keeper? I don't think Ayn would say that THAT was in MY self interest, do you?
The world is not the clockwork orange she, and you, think it is. It is messy, it is fractal, it is chaotic, and no "rationalist" theory has any longlasting application in it.
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JEP07
March 21, 2010 3:03 PM in reply to Rich Mason
"the wealthy want to "destroy" the middle class."
No, they just want so much of their disposable income, the middle class can't consume any more because the wealthy class won't loose the dogs of wages upon the waiting world. They want to loan it to us as credit instead.
Who do you speak for then, if you are not "one of them?"
"They" surely appreciate your wasting your efforts defending them to intelligent liberals who aren't going to believe you anyway. They laugh at you behind your back, they have more respect for their middle-class adversaries than they do for their middle class advocates.
Whose wealth are you protecting?
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Rich Mason
March 21, 2010 4:06 PM in reply to JEP07
Whose wealth are you protecting?
Ayn Rand answers your question with a metaphor. Picture everyone in the wold standing on a ladder in order of who 'has the most'. Everyone higher than you on the ladder owes you because they have it and you don't! Sounds Great! BUT-DON'T LOOK DOWN!
I hope that answered your question.
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Cal Gal
March 21, 2010 6:02 PM in reply to Rich Mason
Ok. Here it is. "Ayn Rand." That says it all. Her followers are the same as Trekkies, bound up in the visions of fiction.
Where were you when Alan Greenspan admitted that reality did not follow his Randian principles?
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Rich Mason
March 21, 2010 9:00 PM in reply to Cal Gal
Cal Gal,
surely you can do better
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shooter242
March 20, 2010 7:44 PM in reply to jdb316
How odd that there isn't any audio or video with this story. This wouldn't be Democrat victimology would it? Or just plain lying? I'm reserving judgement until I see proof.
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lousgirl84
March 20, 2010 7:57 PM in reply to shooter242
You don't even disguise you ignorance do you?
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Poop_is_Food
March 20, 2010 7:58 PM in reply to shooter242
Barney might be a homo, but he's no pussy. He wouldn't make something like this up just to score political sympathy points.
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DirtyLibrul
March 20, 2010 8:02 PM in reply to shooter242
Hey, good point. Because teabaggers aren't know for such behavior. I would be sooooo weird for them to use this kind of language. Go troll elsewhere please.
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shooter242
March 20, 2010 8:27 PM in reply to DirtyLibrul
LOL. There's no prejudice here is there? No name calling? No vitriol at all?
There's also no proof so far, just sound and fury signifying nothing. You folks and Senator Proxmire have a lot in common... the only thing that counts is the seriousness of the charges.
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Economides
March 20, 2010 8:34 PM in reply to shooter242
Proxmire?
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cinesimon
March 20, 2010 8:53 PM in reply to shooter242
No proof? Have you seen the signs?
I'm sure you also believe Obama is not a citizen because you weren't at the birth.
And since when did you ever need evidence for you to believe the things YOU believe? Almost every line you spew is nonsense and lies.
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glblank
March 20, 2010 8:57 PM in reply to shooter242
I'll see your Proxmire and raise you a Preston Brooks,....fool
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farnsworth
March 20, 2010 9:13 PM in reply to shooter242
Stupid shitstain liars are appropriately called "Stupid shitstain liar." Is that what you are whining about?
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arias
March 20, 2010 9:35 PM in reply to shooter242
Holy shit. A bagger requiring proof? Demanding proof? You might want to go co-mingle amongst your brethren because that just simply isn't their modus operandi. Sorry bub.
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SleepinJeezus
March 20, 2010 10:14 PM in reply to shooter242
Senator Proxmire?
Please explain. The very first campaign I ever worked was for Senator Bill Proxmire, may God rest his soul. He was a patriot above reproach, and I can't say we have ever benefitted from having the likes of him grace the Senate since his retirement.
I want to hear details of what scurrilous insinuation you are making here, shooter. I would otherwise entertain an apology.
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shooter242
March 20, 2010 10:38 PM in reply to SleepinJeezus
You get my apology, it was Biden that chaired the Judiciary committee investigating Anita Hill's charges.
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SleepinJeezus
March 20, 2010 11:26 PM in reply to shooter242
Apology accepted. Thanks!
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bill57
March 21, 2010 1:25 AM in reply to shooter242
shut up fool.
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JNagarya
March 21, 2010 6:55 AM in reply to shooter242
There is proof: journalists who aren't members of Congress, or Democrats, reported it.
Watch youtube: teapartiers are so blindly arrogant that doubtless they'll post their own videotaping of the hate-speech you approve.
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Rich Mason
March 21, 2010 2:27 PM in reply to JNagarya
I believe that journalists reported Franks' and Lewis' claims not the event itself. If I'm mistaken about that, how sad that these journalists had misplaced their cameras and recording devices. (wink) But I absolutely agree that if there is any proof it will probably show itself on YouTube or elsewhere. Absent proof, isn't it reasonable to at least question a report that would be, let's face it, "self serving"? I think we can also agree that there are racists and homophobes on many sides of many arguments. That the world's full of imperfect people isn't something that should determine whether an idea is good or bad. Let's stipulate for the moment, that some people, opposed to an ever-expanding state, are also racists or homophobes. Does that invalidate the idea of being in opposition to an ever expanding state? My second question is, do you believe that a majority of people opposed to an ever expanding state are racists and homophobes. You have been selected for a random test to see if there is any "reason" on this site. By all means feel free to respond with vitriol and ridicule or otherwise--your choice. Repeat this is only a test...
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Cal Gal
March 21, 2010 3:11 PM in reply to Rich Mason
You might have had a point, but the Republicans BEGAN their debate against health care reform using lies and scurrilous name calling to whip up the sadly misinformed into a baseless fury.
Remember "death panels"? Remember "totalitarian"? I heard that one yesterday.
Pray tell me, how can a fiercely debated, democratically passed piece of legistation be "totalitarian"? It may be unwise, it may be unconstitutional (although I think this legislation is neither), but how can it be "totalitarian"?
The best thing that could happen for entrepreneurs and small businesses, and for revitalization of creativity in our economy, would to be to break the link between employing people and paying for their health care. This legislation does not do that. Single payer would. But this is the best we can get right now toward that goal. And it is a first step to a more rational health care for ALL Americans.
By the way, remember the words "the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" ... if you can't get health care, you can lose your life. I truly think that health care is not only a HUMAN right, but an AMERICAN right as well.
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Rich Mason
March 21, 2010 4:21 PM in reply to Cal Gal
how can a fiercely debated, democratically passed piece of legistation be "totalitarian"
I'll shoot for a short answer this time...
George Bush was "democratically elected" twice. Have you or anyone else on this blog ever referred to anything he ever did or any policy he ever supported as "totalitarian"?
If you try to come on this blog and say "no", then your punishment will be a "long answer".
You should probably quit while you're ahead. (smile)
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Cal Gal
March 21, 2010 6:13 PM in reply to Rich Mason
Nope, never did refer to him as a "totalitarian." A fascist, yes, but not all fascists HAVE to be totalitarian. You might look it up. Just a hint, it's sort of like "dictator." You can have them on the right, you can have them on the left, but they are NOT democratic.
Oh, and BTW, even IF I had call Dim Son a "totalitarian," what does that have to do with whether the health care reform bill is "totalitarian."
Saying "you said it about Bush" is not a rhetorical argument. It's a cheap whine.
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Rich Mason
March 21, 2010 9:55 PM in reply to Cal Gal
"Saying "you said it about Bush" is not a rhetorical argument. It's a cheap whine."
and saying a group of people said this or that with no evidence is also not excused by the fact that another group of people characterized something you support in a way you don't agree with.
I won't "whine" if you won't slander, deal?
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Jon M
March 23, 2010 9:53 PM in reply to Rich Mason
George Bush was "democratically elected" twice
C'mon Rich didn't the supreme court have to intercede in 2000 then make a verdict to stop counting votes on expediancy. It seems to me that the 2000 vote was in violation to our voting laws.
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Rich Mason
March 21, 2010 4:28 PM in reply to Cal Gal
By the way, remember the words "the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" ... if you can't get health care, you can lose your life. I truly think that health care is not only a HUMAN right, but an AMERICAN right as well.
We'll make death illegal in the next health care bill. That should take care of it.
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Cal Gal
March 21, 2010 6:18 PM in reply to Rich Mason
Now you're just grasping as straws. Time for you to go ahead with that long answer about how democracy is totalitarian.
And I dare you to do it without mentioning any writers of fiction.
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Rich Mason
March 21, 2010 10:00 PM in reply to Cal Gal
Could I start with Jefferson?
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JNagarya
March 22, 2010 2:57 AM in reply to Rich Mason
One can get the facts, or one can stick with feigned-ignorance belief --
"I believe that journalists reported Franks' and Lewis' claims not the event itself."
The media reported a range of facts, including the assertions of Lewis' and Franks' (you leave out the Congressman who was spit on for being black) ASSOCIATES. And including their own WITNESSING of the incidents.
And now the GOP and Tea Party are publicly ADMITTING the incidents occurred by trying to "distance" themselves from themselves concerning same.
You might try truth instead of lying: at very least it results in less foul-smelling breath.
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Spiffarino
March 22, 2010 10:25 AM in reply to Rich Mason
No.
The author of the article specifically said he heard it in Barney Frank's case:
Early this afternoon, standing outside a Democratic whip meeting in the Longworth House office building, I watched Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) make his way out the door, en route to the neighboring Rayburn building. As he rounded the corner toward the exit, wading through a huge crowd of tea partiers and other health care protesters, an elderly white man screamed "Barney, you faggot"--a line that caused dozens of his confederates to erupt in laughter.
You've been accused of being disingenuous in this thread, but I withheld judgment. However, you just proved you either didn't read the article or you didn't understand it. In either case, it speaks directly to your credibility.
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psyberian
March 20, 2010 8:12 PM in reply to shooter242
You? Reserving judgement? ROFLMAO!
Sorry about your Teabag buddies losing control and embarrassing you... oh, wait -- I'm not.
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Buckeye Terrorist Fist Jab Nation
March 20, 2010 8:18 PM in reply to psyberian
Word.
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farnsworth
March 20, 2010 9:12 PM in reply to shooter242
Typical shitstain nonsense from a stupid liar.
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dick_data
March 20, 2010 9:18 PM in reply to shooter242
Does that also apply to Obams's birth certificate??? Just asking.
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Model271
March 20, 2010 9:19 PM in reply to shooter242
"Shooter Two for Two" -- LOL.
Not by chance does the article refer to the yelling teabagger and his "confederates" (or should that be Confederates?").
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Jackster
March 20, 2010 9:45 PM in reply to shooter242
Check your favorite teabagger blog, seems they had cameras all over this.
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theWalrus
March 20, 2010 9:50 PM in reply to shooter242
You're capable of judgement?
I.don't.think.so.
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neesy08
March 20, 2010 9:54 PM in reply to shooter242
don't make me laugh. you are asking this question in regards to the gop too, right? after all, they just used a hoax draft that allegedly stated the dems were not playing nice about the hcr bill.orthe lies and rhetoric that the gop and faux news have espoused since obama's inauguration?
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Libertine
March 20, 2010 9:58 PM in reply to shooter242
Proof? How about someone being arrested by Capitol police for calling Rep. Emanuel Cleaver a N****r and then spitting on him? Cleaver chose not to press charges but if the 'person' was arrested I am thinking it is pretty credible proof. Nice people you run with shooter...
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shooter242
March 20, 2010 10:15 PM in reply to Libertine
Sorry bud, but you aren't trustworthy, and neither are the supposed witnesses. Until I see it or hear it, it didn't happen. You know, the old "innocent before proven guilty" meme.
Considering the absence of any recording in what has to be the most recorded era ever, I'd say you all are idiots, though useful ones to be sure.
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Libertine
March 20, 2010 10:19 PM in reply to shooter242
Read my lips idiot...he was arrested. I am sure the Capitol police have all that info and probably the info on a few others who were also arrested. I am equally sure many here will be looking into the details and posting them in the upcoming days. Finally the tea baggers are exposed for what they really are...racists who can't deal with the fact that America elected a president of color. And it will be documented...
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mophan
March 20, 2010 11:54 PM in reply to Libertine
The revolution will be televised!
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bill57
March 21, 2010 1:27 AM in reply to Libertine
you're trying to reason with a teabagger.
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Rob_The_A_Hole
March 21, 2010 11:31 AM in reply to Libertine
Does arrest equal guilt? wouldn't that whole "innocent until proven guilty" ideology come into play here if he was arrested?
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Libertine
March 21, 2010 11:38 AM in reply to Rob_The_A_Hole
Oh well I guess he is innocent because Cleaver chose not to press charges. I guess I've been learned...not.
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farnsworth
March 20, 2010 11:37 PM in reply to shooter242
What a shitstain.
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chimpale
March 20, 2010 11:55 PM in reply to shooter242
Equally sorry, but your judgment has no value. The only reason to respond to you is to help you remember that nobody's buying your denials, probably not even you.
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farnsworth
March 21, 2010 12:11 AM in reply to chimpale
You can bet he swallows anything Beck or Palin or Bachmann says.
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Cal Gal
March 21, 2010 3:17 PM in reply to farnsworth
And that's why he's a birther. He wasn't on hand in Hawaii to SEE Obama being born.
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monel9959
March 21, 2010 11:57 AM in reply to chimpale
He will probably fall back on some grossly edited video footage cooked up by his personal propaganda station, Fux.
Funny, but if you look at the major MSM network web sites, only two mention the incident in sub-headings and, of course, Fux camoflages it in a sub-heading titled "Emotions run high...".
The MSM has had top "reporters" up every prominent player's butt to get news of this legislation's failure. Now when some of the top people are assaulted by a bunch of bigots, shouldn't there be a lot more reporting of it.
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ghot
March 21, 2010 12:04 AM in reply to shooter242
i don't suppose you saw or heard yourself grow a brain... there seem to be several witnesses that would deny that it ever happened.
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Spiffarino
March 22, 2010 10:35 AM in reply to shooter242
As the eminently quotable Samuel Johnson once said, "Sir, I have found you an argument; I am not obliged to find you an understanding."
In typical GOP/Teabagger fashion you wear your blinders proudly.
You remind me of the guy with taped-together glasses coming out of the restroom with toilet paper stuck to his shoe. You stroll along, basking in all the attention, and you have no idea that all the snickering is happening at your expense.
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TexasFilly
March 20, 2010 8:44 PM in reply to jdb316
What else can you expect from the Christian Right? They are neither.
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Hornito
March 20, 2010 11:05 PM in reply to jdb316
Fact is, these ignorant bastar*ds want another Civil War, and being "civil" is the last thing on their minds. They're using HCR and other issues to fan the flames of civil strife and revolution. One only has to listen to Beck or Bachman for five minutes to know this. I say, LET'S GIVE IT TO THEM!
They think all progressives are wimpy, stupid, unarmed idiots, who won't fight for their beliefs. Little do they know, there are millions of progressives and liberals who love this nation (and what it once stood for), and will fight to prevent it from falling into the hands of fascist wingers like the Tea Party Nuts. When a two fingered peace sign turns into a poke in the eye, perhaps that will get their attention.
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mophan
March 20, 2010 11:58 PM in reply to Hornito
Progressives get called "spineless, wimps" from other progressives, and "ignorant, whiney, fools" from so-called centrists.
You have to love this country and the "fascist" leader it elected. Unbelievable.
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Sailormarlowe
March 21, 2010 6:14 AM in reply to jdb316
But if Bill Maher or Kathy Griffin were spewing their filth, you pansy libs would be all a-titter, right?
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LarsThorwald
March 21, 2010 2:14 PM in reply to Sailormarlowe
You are losing. Get over it.
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AhTrini1
March 21, 2010 8:55 AM in reply to jdb316
Just In: MSNBC is reporting the Democrats HAVE the votes to pass HISTORIC healthcare reform!!!!!
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AhTrini1
March 21, 2010 9:54 AM in reply to jdb316
Sanchez from CA, whose district went 60% for Obama is voting NO!
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AhTrini1
March 21, 2010 10:00 AM in reply to jdb316
Sanchez from CA, whose district went 60% for Obama is voting NO!
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Cal Gal
March 21, 2010 3:22 PM in reply to AhTrini1
Did you post twice because BOTH Sanchez sisters from California are voting no? Just askin' (not that I haven't double posted ... I just wanted to point out there are TWO Sanchez's from CA)
I can't really imagine EITHER of them voting "no" however.
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lousgirl84
March 21, 2010 7:00 PM in reply to Cal Gal
Not true. Both voted Yes. Loretta was out of town but showed up this morning and voted Yes
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SequimWA
March 21, 2010 11:08 AM in reply to jdb316
Where is the outrage? When Harry Reid said Obama was "a black man," the Republicans called for him to resign. Yesterday, outside our Capitol Building, black Democrats were spat upon and called N--, and the Republicans shrug. "People are angry."
This breaks my heart. Democrats need to stand up and point this out!!!
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Rich Mason
March 21, 2010 6:46 PM in reply to jdb316
Here is the "proof" of the incident. I'm a little surprised that after all this talk, I was the one who had to come up here and post this "proof" right under the article. You would think that all the people are concerned about this would have been eager to post this proof and yet, "no", it was left to little ole me to do it. Here ya go.
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/rep-lewis-called-n-word-tea-party-prote
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Rich Mason
March 21, 2010 6:58 PM in reply to jdb316
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/rep-lewis-called-n-word-tea-party-prote
Here is the "proof". Odd that anyone else concerned about this story hasn't posted the "proof" prominently near the story so that it could be seen by all. Some of us hearing impaired like myself are unable to hear it. If anyone who can hear the epithets reported to have been spoken, would be kind enough to note how many seconds into the recording they can hear these epithets,I would then be able to listen more carefully so that maybe I could hear them I sure would appreciate anyone's help on this. Thanks in advance.
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Max Thrax
March 20, 2010 6:05 PM
This is what I've been saying over and over again here. You cannot have a debate of any kind with people who refuse to acknowledge fact. You cannot have CIVIL debate with racist scumbags like these. Racist scumbags like these are the base of the GOP and the entirety of the Tea Baggers movement. Tell them to fuck themselves to their faces when encountering them. There is no common ground and there never will be. In the words of Zack De La Rocha: Know Your Enemy.
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JohnW1141
March 20, 2010 6:09 PM in reply to Max Thrax
Max,
exactly.
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Measure for Measure
March 20, 2010 7:14 PM in reply to Max Thrax
I disagree. Instead, do everything possible to make them look bad. On camera.
Remember, to this day the left gets tarred by the actions of a handful of wackos in the 1960s and early 1970s.
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CityGuy
March 20, 2010 8:28 PM in reply to Measure for Measure
Agree completely. And in the words of Hawkeye Pierce: Know your enema!
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Max Thrax
March 20, 2010 8:54 PM in reply to Measure for Measure
Except that the media won't run whatever you get on camera. Tell em 'fuck off' to their faces, we're way past politeness at this point.
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lousgirl84
March 20, 2010 10:48 PM in reply to Measure for Measure
Absolutely correct.
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oleeb
March 20, 2010 9:48 PM in reply to Max Thrax
You're right on the money here Max.
But sadly many of our Democratic friends don't get it. For the same reason you cannot "reason" with say a Grizzly Bear, it is idiotic to try and reason with the Republicans of today. They are irrational and aren't here to "reason". Their sole purpose is to grab all the power they can and use it wantonly for whatever suits their fancy. They don't give two shits about the good of the country or any of that other malarky. And it isn't as though they make a secret of it either. The stupidity of Democrats wanting to play parlor games with these barbarians is maddening. These people mean to wreck the nation in order to hold power. It's just that simple. We don't need to debate them we need to fight them. We need to fight fire with fire instead of looking on incrddulously and their indecorous behavior. I think most Democrats around the country know this but they are waiting for their leaders to get a clue. Between Obama, Reid and Pelosi they have yet to assemble even the first clue.
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theWalrus
March 20, 2010 9:52 PM in reply to Max Thrax
"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions"
-Thomas Jefferson
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jchaus
March 20, 2010 6:05 PM
Spread this. Spread it. Get it in the news. Everywhere.
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Max Thrax
March 20, 2010 6:12 PM in reply to jchaus
Something tells me the MSM is going to mostly sidestep this.
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docrocktex
March 20, 2010 6:32 PM in reply to Max Thrax
CNN's Dana Bash covered it, she actually witnessed their attack on Rep. Frank.
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patmcgrowen
March 20, 2010 7:01 PM in reply to Max Thrax
I also saw it on ABC News tonight as well. It was just a quick mention, but it was on there.
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hewhohasnoname
March 20, 2010 9:01 PM in reply to patmcgrowen
NBC News made absolutely no mention of it. But, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. They have a right-leaning weekend crew.
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Dakotahgeo, M. Div. Pastor/Chaplain
March 20, 2010 7:40 PM in reply to Max Thrax
And the print news business wonders why their readership is dropping like a rock. I rea dfor the local news and after that, I let the rest of the people at the Library read it... IF they are interested. If you want unbiased news, go international!
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JohnW1141
March 20, 2010 6:05 PM
The Capitol police should have called for reinforcements. How can they allow this kind of shit to go on in the halls of Congress?
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oleeb
March 20, 2010 6:10 PM in reply to JohnW1141
As long as they're racist right wingers and not hippies John, they get all kinds of leeway that lefties don't.
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patmcgrowen
March 20, 2010 7:02 PM in reply to oleeb
But they arrest 7 war protesters, interesting.
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EastWest
March 20, 2010 7:02 PM in reply to oleeb
IOKIYAR.
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Forestdweller
March 20, 2010 8:49 PM in reply to EastWest
And the police in NJ went out of their way to track down and arrest a 16 yo punk for bias, harrassment and intimidation because of a stupid, racist prank over a Wal*Mart intercom (not even employing the n-word). While the Capitol Police let the Teabaggers get away with their vileness, at least we know it's pretty hard to intimidate a civil rights veteran like John Lewis.
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FreeRider
March 20, 2010 6:06 PM
I don't believe this! Everybody knows that the teabaggers aren't racists or homophobes. They just care about the size of government. They would never say such things!!!!
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Max Thrax
March 20, 2010 6:15 PM in reply to FreeRider
They've been on a lot of boards including this one trying to convince us that people of all political stripes are angry and joining the Tea Baggers and attempting to drum up liberal support, amazingly. They forget that liberals are typically smarter than conservatives and that their attempts at smokescreens are laughably transparent.
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FreeRider
March 20, 2010 6:19 PM in reply to Max Thrax
Smokescreens? You mean like you claiming you were an outraged Democrat one minute then a Green the next?
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Max Thrax
March 20, 2010 6:25 PM in reply to FreeRider
I am a Green, so what? I vote Green in every state and local election when one is available, if not I take a look at the Dem candidate. Dems generally aren't liberal enough for me. You're point?
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FreeRider
March 20, 2010 6:39 PM in reply to Max Thrax
It's no big deal that you're a Green, except that you lied and said you were a lifelong Democrat who used the term "Democrat party" to show your disrespect from within.
You're like all those "liberals" and "Obama voters" who want to kill HCR--a liar who makes up "facts" to give your position more credibility.
Now, go vote for Cynthia "9/11 Truther" McKinney and get the fuck out of Democratic party business.
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lousgirl84
March 20, 2010 7:59 PM in reply to FreeRider
TPM is not running this but this is a must see. Check it out. It's Obama with the Dems today.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/20/obama-quotes-lincoln-to-h_n_507124.html
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Max Thrax
March 20, 2010 8:55 PM in reply to FreeRider
Fuck you punk. I never said I was a lifelong Dem, said I used to be a Dem who switched. Maybe if you mother hadn't fucked her brother you might have been born with some brains asshole.
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FreeRider
March 20, 2010 9:01 PM in reply to Max Thrax
Your post is here as proof of your lying bullshit.
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farnsworth
March 20, 2010 9:17 PM in reply to FreeRider
Why are you so hateful to people who are at least generally on your side? Why don't you save your vitriol for the real enemy?
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FreeRider
March 20, 2010 9:42 PM in reply to farnsworth
People who lobby to kill HCR are not "generally" or even remotely on my side.
People who call the president a lying, warmongering, corporate whore are not "generally" or even remotely on my side.
People who say the president is no different from Bush are not "generally" or even remotely on my side.
People who remain silent about or diminish the accomplishments of this president and this congress are not "generally" or even remotely on my side.
People who insist on damaging their own party in the fucked up belief that it makes them more pure are not "generally" or even remotely on my side.
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farnsworth
March 20, 2010 9:58 PM in reply to FreeRider
You aren't very discriminating in your angry attacks. Really, what is your point? Not everyone you have attacked fits your own descriptions.
BTW, I think Obama has done a terrible job for the most part in his first fourteen months in office. He pointless attempts at reasonableness and bipartisanship have weakened his positions on everything, especially health care. But that doesn't mean I would have rather had Clinton, much less McCain. It means I am disappointed in Obama's ineptitude. Is it OK for me to say that, since I am not a Democrat? Or are you going to spew poison at me too?
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FreeRider
March 20, 2010 10:07 PM in reply to farnsworth
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We know all about the inept president who passed an $800B stimulus, the most progressive budget since LBJ and is on the verge of achieving what 7 other presidents have failed.
That inept Obama who prevented another Great Depression.
That inept Obama who has made more headway in Af-Pak in one year than Bush did in 8.
That inept Obama who reached out to the other side but pushed ahead with his/Democratic priorities in face of their stonewall objections.
Obama is not inept. He's also not the Messiah. That's what you find so disappointing.
Folks like you always whine about Obama needing to face reality while refusing to face the reality that he is president, not a king, with an extremely recalcitrant opposition party.
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Scott in PacNW
March 20, 2010 11:04 PM in reply to FreeRider
Ah, you're an endless ray of sunshine.
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farnsworth
March 20, 2010 11:35 PM in reply to FreeRider
Did I say one word about facing reality? No, I did not. But you don't hesitate to accuse me of it, then blame me for it.
Let's talk about ineptitude: Republicans may be vile, but they know how to pass legislation. Obama caved on single payer with virtually no opposition. He caved on public option when a few opponents raised an objection. The current bill contains a huge give-away to insurance companies.
A public option is crucial. And he didn't even try.
I have Multiple Sclerosis. I would have no insurance if not for the state-sponsored public option here in Oklahoma. It is very restrictive, and they are trying to take it away from me. As long as I dot every i and cross every t I can keep it. But I can't earn too much money or get a good job or I lose it.
This bill should have had a public option in it. I am not saying Obama would have been successful if he had tried to include it, but we will never know since he didn't try.
I never even implied I thought Obama was the messiah. The idea never entered my head. But you don't mind claiming I do believe it, and claiming that is the source of my disappointment, and blaming me for that belief. That is very Republican of you.
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FreeRider
March 21, 2010 12:19 AM in reply to farnsworth
I'm so sick of wankers who couldn't get elected fart sniffer telling the president how he should do his fucking job.
IMO, he's done a damn fine job--considering his inability rule by fiat.
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farnsworth
March 21, 2010 12:39 AM in reply to FreeRider
You disagree with my clearly stated arguments, so I am a wanker. You don't even attempt to respond, you just put words in my mouth and call me names.
Yup, you clearly qualify for the Republican party.
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FreeRider
March 21, 2010 1:14 AM in reply to farnsworth
*yawn* I'm so not interested in debating those who disappointed that the president hasn't being their liberal wet dream. Grow up.
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mophan
March 21, 2010 12:09 AM in reply to FreeRider
Before reading anything else you might have to say later, I must interject that I actually agree with you 100% on this posting.
My disagreements have never been about accomplishments. They have normally been about strategy, but I am not the one that was able to get myself elected president. So, I am unqualified to speak in the matter of strategy except to state my own opinion.
Carry on.
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FreeRider
March 21, 2010 1:15 AM in reply to mophan
Thanks! I don't always agree with Obama's strategy but I can barely run my own household so who am I to second-guess him?
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mophan
March 21, 2010 1:40 AM in reply to FreeRider
LOL. You are welcomed! ; )
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farnsworth
March 21, 2010 8:48 AM in reply to FreeRider
I get it now! You are not competent so you project your own weaknesses on others. Too bad that results in putting words in their mouths spewing venom. If you are so pathetic, why don't you just shut up?
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FreeRider
March 21, 2010 9:02 AM in reply to farnsworth
Another wanker "disappointed" because the president didn't give him a pony and a Lexus.
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